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3rd Rail SD40-2 / SD40T-2 Road Name/ Road Numbers Matrix as of 9/23/2021 7:30 PM

Total of 15 known road names out of a maximum of 20.

Burlington Northern (BN):

CHESSIE: Road numbers 7600, 7607, 7613, 7618.

CN: UPDATED: Road numbers will be 5266, 5267, 5281, & 5289 from the GF-30p class in their mid 1980's appearance.

CONRAIL: 6441-6482 Will have Flexcoil truck side frames.

CSX: Road numbers 8243, 8247, 8250, 8253

D&RGW:

FERROMEX:

Milwaukee Road: Road numbers 184, 193, 205, 209 with their dinky 3200 gallon fuel tanks.

MOPAC: Road numbers 3217, 3229, 3255, 3264 in their mid 1980's paint scheme

N&W: (short / high hood, black NW scheme)

Santa Fe:

Southern: 4 road numbers between 3201-3216 to be determined.

SP:

UP:

W&LE: Road numbers 7002, 7010, 7013, 7016

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Well the yellow/orange Chessie steam engine is showing a production sample, Kraus Maffei probably well along too, and EA, E1 just had reservations close (so ordering parts).  That’s what in the “active” locomotive production chain. So with all the previous discussions about SD40-2 details, is it safe to say that the SD40-2 and Tunnels will have reservations closing   Soon - Say by end of year - indicating Finally heading into production ???  If this is a reasonable scenario, we could hopefully see a delivery in Early Q3 (July).    It’s been a Long Wait for this model. Here’s hoping the wait is nearing an end !!!!!!!!!  
Cheers

Hmmmm. I don’t have a SD9 to compare color finish with my GP9s. Just in general, I don’t think that gloss lasted very long in the real rail world. A softer (or a bit dull ?) finish seems a bit more “every day” to me.  Perhaps someone that has a road with both SD and GP can post us a some side by side pictures for comparison.  
Without that, Right now, I’d prefer a non hi-gloss - a more flat paint job.
Cheers !!!

@TrainBub posted:

Hmmmm. I don’t have a SD9 to compare color finish with my GP9s. Just in general, I don’t think that gloss lasted very long in the real rail world. A softer (or a bit dull ?) finish seems a bit more “every day” to me.  Perhaps someone that has a road with both SD and GP can post us a some side by side pictures for comparison.  
Without that, Right now, I’d prefer a non hi-gloss - a more flat paint job.
Cheers !!!

If you interested, do Google search of 3rd rail SD9, there are great pictures out there

The paint finish looks more model-like and the duller finish hides paint imperfections

Anyways, that's just my opinion,

hopefully these will be great models gloss or flat finish

@Cogen1981 posted:

Jonathan,

on this upcoming run of SD40-2s,

do you guys plan on using the  gloss paint finish like on the GP9s or the duller finish like the SD9?

IMO the finish on the SD9s looked much better, the flatter paint is more forgiving to paint imperfections and looks more prototypical

That decision hasn't been made yet.  Lately it seems the glossier finish has been more popular like what was done on the E6s or more satin finish on the PAs.  However, that decision won't be made until 2022.  Research went to the design team in Asia last month and it was very thorough.  They won't have the BIM drawings and 2D projections back for a first draft review until January likely.  There will be several rounds of corrections most likely based on the amount of data they got for this project.

@GG1 4877 posted:

That decision hasn't been made yet.  Lately it seems the glossier finish has been more popular like what was done on the E6s or more satin finish on the PAs.  However, that decision won't be made until 2022.  Research went to the design team in Asia last month and it was very thorough.  They won't have the BIM drawings and 2D projections back for a first draft review until January likely.  There will be several rounds of corrections most likely based on the amount of data they got for this project.

Thanks for your response and attention to detail

@TrainBub posted:

Here is what I consider a “softer” than “hi-gloss” finish. The E6 is 3rd Rail. The U-boat is MTH. I use the MTH model here as 3rd Rail has not yet done a MP model in Jenks blue. IMHO, both are excellent color and finish (gloss). 97011D66-F319-471E-833E-7ECBEBF10EDE

Good post,

The higher gloss finish looks good on the F and E series car body locomotive that commonly are used for passenger service, while I think the satin finish is more appropriate on the more industrial looking Spartan cab freight locomotive  

@Cogen1981 posted:

Good post,

The higher gloss finish looks good on the F and E series car body locomotive that commonly are used for passenger service, while I think the satin finish is more appropriate on the more industrial looking Spartan cab freight locomotive  

I like the term “satin finish” and agree “more appropriate on the …. Freight locomotive.”  
Here’s an Atlas GP15 model. I think it hits the “satin finish” mark quite Nicely.   Of course IMO.22EA227A-3DA3-4BC4-A653-AC6D803872BB

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@GG1 4877 posted:

That decision hasn't been made yet.  Lately it seems the glossier finish has been more popular like what was done on the E6s or more satin finish on the PAs.  However, that decision won't be made until 2022.  Research went to the design team in Asia last month and it was very thorough.  They won't have the BIM drawings and 2D projections back for a first draft review until January likely.  There will be several rounds of corrections most likely based on the amount of data they got for this project.

Jonathan,

Glad to hear its moving along, and thanks for all your work on it. Are you able to share with us what decisions were made in terms of as-delivered versus later appearance (or maybe it's a mixed bag depending on the road name). In particular I'm curious about the Santa Fe models. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

RM

Jonathan,

Glad to hear its moving along, and thanks for all your work on it. Are you able to share with us what decisions were made in terms of as-delivered versus later appearance (or maybe it's a mixed bag depending on the road name). In particular I'm curious about the Santa Fe models. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

RM

Rich,

It is a really mixed bag.  For the Santa Fe models we settled on the roughly 1986 appearance.  No ditch lights, no class lights, but the roof mounted beacon, the ac unit, and the 88" hood for a phase II unit.  This was decided due to the need to get enough units with the same tooling for the ATSF blue bonnet and Kodachrome units into a single group. 

Fortunately Scott didn't act on your suggestion to cancel the project. (But maybe we'll let you live that down when the models are delivered...).

RM

Well he actually sounded like he was ready to pull the plug … and I hate “forever” to get done projects so I was ready to move on even though I had orders for MP and Frisco.  The committed $s would have just rolled over to another of Scotts projects. Then he changed his mind. Thank goodness.    I’m ready for these babies as I’ve already sold off my MTH MP SD40-2s !!!

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@GG1 4877 posted:

Rich,

It is a really mixed bag.  For the Santa Fe models we settled on the roughly 1986 appearance.  No ditch lights, no class lights, but the roof mounted beacon, the ac unit, and the 88" hood for a phase II unit.  This was decided due to the need to get enough units with the same tooling for the ATSF blue bonnet and Kodachrome units into a single group.

Jonathan,

Thanks for the update. That approach makes sense and sounds good to me.

RM

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