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Scott has updated the website to show the correct version of the CN SD40-2 with the Canadian wide cab.  UPDATED:  Road numbers will be 5266, 5267, 5281, & 5289 from the GF-30p class in their mid 1980's appearance.  Updated website info here:  CN Wide Cab

I realize that this may seem like a bit of a moving picture, but this is the process at work.  Seeing where certain road numbers fit into various variations so that the slide-tool can be used to keep the project in line with cost projections.   

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Jonathan:

Will the Norfolk and Western  SD40-2 be spelled out like the photo posted or will it have the more popular NW paint scheme?

Also will the high hood SD40-2 have the correct early grills and the all weather windows as per the NW EMD specs. PS: The EMD specs says 40" wheels.

Thanks, George DiSanti - Home the the Tar Heels!

The EMD documentation I have seen so far is not clear.  This operating manual states 40"
http://tcrc320.org/MEMBERS/SD40-2_Operator_Manual.pdf

This EMD maintenance instruction says that nominal wheel diameters are 40" and 42" and that 42" wheels were available on all HT-C trucks made since 1972.  Unless you have road specific details, I wouldn't get too picky.
https://heritagerailalliance.w...S-AXLES-1987-OCT.PDF

@rplst8 posted:

The EMD documentation I have seen so far is not clear.  This operating manual states 40"
http://tcrc320.org/MEMBERS/SD40-2_Operator_Manual.pdf

This EMD maintenance instruction says that nominal wheel diameters are 40" and 42" and that 42" wheels were available on all HT-C trucks made since 1972.  Unless you have road specific details, I wouldn't get too picky.
https://heritagerailalliance.w...S-AXLES-1987-OCT.PDF

I would be very careful about believing EVERYTHING posted on the internet. I was employed by EMD (June 1962 thru December 1998) and was in Sales Engineering Dept. when the Dash 2 series came out. None, I repeat NONE, of the Dash 2 series units were delivered with 42" diameter wheels! Yes, the the axle HT-C truck was DESIGNED to accept 42" diameter wheels, when they became available to RR customers.

Jonathan:

Will the Norfolk and Western  SD40-2 be spelled out like the photo posted or will it have the more popular NW paint scheme?

Also will the high hood SD40-2 have the correct early grills and the all weather windows as per the NW EMD specs. PS: The EMD specs says 40" wheels.

Thanks, George DiSanti - Home the the Tar Heels!

George,

The paint scheme will be the NW scheme.  It will have the early grills.  Most of the SD40-2 models will at this point.  For the all weather windows I have some photos, but if you have detailed images you can send to me or post that will help the factory understand how to do them well when they do their Solidworks models prior to starting any tooling.

Thanks!

Jonathon: I will send you or have Stephen send several photos of a well done brass all weather window. Please post the photo of the correct paint scheme so customers know what is to come. I ordered a loco years ago and got a different paint scheme than what was posted. Needless to say I was very very disappointed!!!!! Will the locos have color changing class light (F5 -white, red, and green) as ESU does for ScaleTrains in HO?  You may want to put 2 windows to be installed by the modelers as most had windows on each side and make extras to sell (I would buy some) for example the DT&I Geeps that were lacking.

George DiSanti - Home of the Tar Heels

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Jonathon: I will send you or have Stephen send several photos of a well done brass all weather window.

Prototype photos are preferable.  Just because it was done in brass doesn't always translate to correct.  We don't want to copy someone else's mistake.

Please post the photo of the correct paint scheme so customers know what is to come. I ordered a loco years ago and got a different paint scheme than what was posted. Needless to say I was very very disappointed!!!!!

I will request that Scott update the photo. 

Will the locos have color changing class light (F5 -white, red, and green) as ESU does for ScaleTrains in HO?

That is a direct question for Scott and the team that does the engineering side.  I am not involved with that part of the project, but I will be sure to pass it on,

You may want to put 2 windows to be installed by the modelers as most had windows on each side and make extras to sell (I would buy some) for example the DT&I Geeps that were lacking.

Again, Scott is the boss, but I will see what he says.  We often provide additional parts in the box for such modifications.

George DiSanti - Home of the Tar Heels

@sdmann  @GG1 4877

It has been almost two months since the last update on this (SD40-2 Diesel Engine) project thread.

So far it has been posted that the following road names (and road numbers if listed) are included in the production run.

Ferromex:

Burlington Northern (BN):

Santa Fe:

MOPAC: Road numbers 3217, 3229, 3255, 3264 in their mid 1980's paint scheme

W&LE: Road numbers 7002, 7010, 7013, 7016

Southern: 4 road numbers between 3201-3216 to be determined.

Conrail: 6441-6482 Will have Flexcoil truck sideframes.

Milwaukee Road: Road numbers 184, 193, 205, 209 with their dinky 3200 gallon fuel tanks.

CN: UPDATED: Road numbers will be 5266, 5267, 5281, & 5289 from the GF-30p class in their mid 1980's appearance.

Chessie: Road numbers 7600, 7607, 7613, 7618.

CSX: Road numbers 8243, 8247, 8250, 8253

N&W: (short / high hood, black NW scheme) - Count as two variations?)

Total of 12 known road names.



Per Scott on 7/4/2021, "Reservations will close in late 2021."   Is this still the current schedule?

Per Jonathan on 7/16/21, "This project will be rolled out a little differently than in the past.  We will post the details for each locomotive prior to it going into production including road numbers."   Any additional road name, road numbers, information to share?

@catnap posted:

I've watched this video no less than a dozen times with the speakers at full volume. The Dash 8's sound pretty good, too, but nothing like the pushers.

I can't get mine over 50% and feel comfortable about their health! I am jealous.

Years ago I saw toy Conrail engines and thought that the all blue scheme was too easy. All these years later I actually prefer it. I'm not sure why on either?

I like that CN wide cab too.

.....and CSX, NS, NW, BN, SFe, Chessie, MW, MP, Southern, etc., etc..

I think this will be a great model.

@GregM posted:

@sdmann  @GG1 4877

It has been almost two months since the last update on this (SD40-2 Diesel Engine) project thread.

So far it has been posted that the following road names (and road numbers if listed) are included in the production run.

Ferromex:

Burlington Northern (BN):

Santa Fe:

MOPAC: Road numbers 3217, 3229, 3255, 3264 in their mid 1980's paint scheme

W&LE: Road numbers 7002, 7010, 7013, 7016

Southern: 4 road numbers between 3201-3216 to be determined.

Conrail: 6441-6482 Will have Flexcoil truck sideframes.

Milwaukee Road: Road numbers 184, 193, 205, 209 with their dinky 3200 gallon fuel tanks.

CN: UPDATED: Road numbers will be 5266, 5267, 5281, & 5289 from the GF-30p class in their mid 1980's appearance.

Chessie: Road numbers 7600, 7607, 7613, 7618.

CSX: Road numbers 8243, 8247, 8250, 8253

N&W: (short / high hood, black NW scheme) - Count as two variations?)

Total of 12 known road names.



Per Scott on 7/4/2021, "Reservations will close in late 2021."   Is this still the current schedule?

Per Jonathan on 7/16/21, "This project will be rolled out a little differently than in the past.  We will post the details for each locomotive prior to it going into production including road numbers."   Any additional road name, road numbers, information to share?

i am missing the D@RGW in this list, will these be cancelled?

and also i do not see the SP ?



i have 4 on order from both

Cor

3rd Rail SD40-2 / SD40T-2 Road Name/ Road Numbers Matrix as of 9/23/2021 7:30 PM

Total of 15 known road names out of a maximum of 20.

Burlington Northern (BN):

CHESSIE: Road numbers 7600, 7607, 7613, 7618.

CN: UPDATED: Road numbers will be 5266, 5267, 5281, & 5289 from the GF-30p class in their mid 1980's appearance.

CONRAIL: 6441-6482 Will have Flexcoil truck side frames.

CSX: Road numbers 8243, 8247, 8250, 8253

D&RGW:

FERROMEX:

Milwaukee Road: Road numbers 184, 193, 205, 209 with their dinky 3200 gallon fuel tanks.

MOPAC: Road numbers 3217, 3229, 3255, 3264 in their mid 1980's paint scheme

N&W: (short / high hood, black NW scheme)

Santa Fe:

Southern: 4 road numbers between 3201-3216 to be determined.

SP:

UP:

W&LE: Road numbers 7002, 7010, 7013, 7016

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Well the yellow/orange Chessie steam engine is showing a production sample, Kraus Maffei probably well along too, and EA, E1 just had reservations close (so ordering parts).  That’s what in the “active” locomotive production chain. So with all the previous discussions about SD40-2 details, is it safe to say that the SD40-2 and Tunnels will have reservations closing   Soon - Say by end of year - indicating Finally heading into production ???  If this is a reasonable scenario, we could hopefully see a delivery in Early Q3 (July).    It’s been a Long Wait for this model. Here’s hoping the wait is nearing an end !!!!!!!!!  
Cheers

Hmmmm. I don’t have a SD9 to compare color finish with my GP9s. Just in general, I don’t think that gloss lasted very long in the real rail world. A softer (or a bit dull ?) finish seems a bit more “every day” to me.  Perhaps someone that has a road with both SD and GP can post us a some side by side pictures for comparison.  
Without that, Right now, I’d prefer a non hi-gloss - a more flat paint job.
Cheers !!!

@TrainBub posted:

Hmmmm. I don’t have a SD9 to compare color finish with my GP9s. Just in general, I don’t think that gloss lasted very long in the real rail world. A softer (or a bit dull ?) finish seems a bit more “every day” to me.  Perhaps someone that has a road with both SD and GP can post us a some side by side pictures for comparison.  
Without that, Right now, I’d prefer a non hi-gloss - a more flat paint job.
Cheers !!!

If you interested, do Google search of 3rd rail SD9, there are great pictures out there

The paint finish looks more model-like and the duller finish hides paint imperfections

Anyways, that's just my opinion,

hopefully these will be great models gloss or flat finish

@Cogen1981 posted:

Jonathan,

on this upcoming run of SD40-2s,

do you guys plan on using the  gloss paint finish like on the GP9s or the duller finish like the SD9?

IMO the finish on the SD9s looked much better, the flatter paint is more forgiving to paint imperfections and looks more prototypical

That decision hasn't been made yet.  Lately it seems the glossier finish has been more popular like what was done on the E6s or more satin finish on the PAs.  However, that decision won't be made until 2022.  Research went to the design team in Asia last month and it was very thorough.  They won't have the BIM drawings and 2D projections back for a first draft review until January likely.  There will be several rounds of corrections most likely based on the amount of data they got for this project.

@GG1 4877 posted:

That decision hasn't been made yet.  Lately it seems the glossier finish has been more popular like what was done on the E6s or more satin finish on the PAs.  However, that decision won't be made until 2022.  Research went to the design team in Asia last month and it was very thorough.  They won't have the BIM drawings and 2D projections back for a first draft review until January likely.  There will be several rounds of corrections most likely based on the amount of data they got for this project.

Thanks for your response and attention to detail

@TrainBub posted:

Here is what I consider a “softer” than “hi-gloss” finish. The E6 is 3rd Rail. The U-boat is MTH. I use the MTH model here as 3rd Rail has not yet done a MP model in Jenks blue. IMHO, both are excellent color and finish (gloss). 97011D66-F319-471E-833E-7ECBEBF10EDE

Good post,

The higher gloss finish looks good on the F and E series car body locomotive that commonly are used for passenger service, while I think the satin finish is more appropriate on the more industrial looking Spartan cab freight locomotive  

@Cogen1981 posted:

Good post,

The higher gloss finish looks good on the F and E series car body locomotive that commonly are used for passenger service, while I think the satin finish is more appropriate on the more industrial looking Spartan cab freight locomotive  

I like the term “satin finish” and agree “more appropriate on the …. Freight locomotive.”  
Here’s an Atlas GP15 model. I think it hits the “satin finish” mark quite Nicely.   Of course IMO.22EA227A-3DA3-4BC4-A653-AC6D803872BB

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@GG1 4877 posted:

That decision hasn't been made yet.  Lately it seems the glossier finish has been more popular like what was done on the E6s or more satin finish on the PAs.  However, that decision won't be made until 2022.  Research went to the design team in Asia last month and it was very thorough.  They won't have the BIM drawings and 2D projections back for a first draft review until January likely.  There will be several rounds of corrections most likely based on the amount of data they got for this project.

Jonathan,

Glad to hear its moving along, and thanks for all your work on it. Are you able to share with us what decisions were made in terms of as-delivered versus later appearance (or maybe it's a mixed bag depending on the road name). In particular I'm curious about the Santa Fe models. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

RM

Jonathan,

Glad to hear its moving along, and thanks for all your work on it. Are you able to share with us what decisions were made in terms of as-delivered versus later appearance (or maybe it's a mixed bag depending on the road name). In particular I'm curious about the Santa Fe models. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

RM

Rich,

It is a really mixed bag.  For the Santa Fe models we settled on the roughly 1986 appearance.  No ditch lights, no class lights, but the roof mounted beacon, the ac unit, and the 88" hood for a phase II unit.  This was decided due to the need to get enough units with the same tooling for the ATSF blue bonnet and Kodachrome units into a single group. 

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