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I thought it might be helpful to start a 3rd Rail Wishlist thread so that we can have a place to state our requests for future Sunset engines!

I know we all have our favorite engines, and railroads, and I just want to say no matter what my personal favorites may be...  it's nice to see everyone's wishes for what they would like 3rd Rail to make, and I'm all for seeing rare, and new cool steam engines being done. 

My vote, would be for something never before done in O scale...

How about an O scale ATSF 5000 Class Madame Queen?  It could be offered in as built, and in later versions... 

What engines would you like Sunset to make? MQ-1--web-site_c1bf0729-5056-a36f-23bc04c99bcf700b

 

 

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An Erie K-5-A Pacific would be great for pulling around a set of Golden Gate Depot passenger cars, but any Erie K-1 through K-5 variant would be much appreciated by Erie fans. 

I think there has only been one previous Erie Pacific offering by Max Gray models, but it must be pretty rare because I have yet to actually see one.

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Well here's a bit of an off the wall suggestion, but how about the Amtrak E60 and E60MA?

We have only had the semi scale Williams engine offered in O gauge, and I belive that neither MTH or Lionel will want to tool up for what is a regionally popular locomotive, which would make it a good candidate for Scott to offer.

It would also go nicely with his scale Amfleet cars due out soon. 

Here are some sample photos I found in various searches as I have been collecting photos for a modeling project, but they are not mine.

The E60 as delivered in 1975: 

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The Rebuilt E60MA in phase 3 paint:imageimage

They were also used by New Jersey Transit, NdeM of Meixco, and the Black Mesa and Lake Powell Railroad. 

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A major gap in 3 Rail N&W locomotives is the S1a. The S1a was a 0-8-0 and was used by other railroads as well.  

The C&O's most common switcher engine was the class C-16 0-8-0.  The C-16a was manufactured in 1942 by Lima. They were numbered 240-254. The C-16b was manufactured by Baldwin in 1948. They were numbered 255-284. 

The Virginian Railway bought 15 C-16a's; numbers 240-254. They were classed as SB retaining the same numbers.

In 1954 C&O donated 18 to the Korean National Railway.

The Norfolk & Western bought 30 C-16b's; numbers 255-284. They were classed as S-1 and also retained the same road numbers. Improvements made by the N&W included over-fire air jets, a second air pump, and changes to the walkways.

The N&W then "cloned" these; producing the S1a numbers 200-244. Cab #244 holds the distinction of being the last steam locomotive built for an American Class 1 railroad. As such, it is a significant locomotive in the history of steam. 

Note the unique welded tender. The "USRA" 0-8-0s previously offered don't come close.

0 8 0_1

 

This is a locomotive that should appeal to C&O, VGN, and N&W fans.  Please consider offering additional tenders for separate sale with the various road names.

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I would like a GP9 with their fantastic single motor drive for diesels.    I am also hoping for a second run of the Alco PAs.

Realistically, our requests should go to sunset, not OGR forum.     And a word to the wise, if they do announce something, you have to reserve it, otherwise, no build.    They build to order.

 

I'm still in for C&O / NYC "Super Makido's".

Once again that being C&O's having the flying front pumps on the smoke box,  pilot mounted head/marker lights, and both tenders, Vanderbilt 12 wheeled, and the long 12 wheeled tender that was used on the Kanawha 2700's.

Then the NYC "H10's a/b/c's, with their version of the 12 wheeled tender........Richard Leonard has some beautiful pictures, of these engines.

Both versions have a mega amount of pipe work, and in most opinions, what all of the Makido's should have looked like...

!

Gilly@N&W posted:

A major gap in 3 Rail N&W locomotives is the S1a. The S1a was a 0-8-0 and was used by other railroads as well.  

The C&O's most common switcher engine was the class C-16 0-8-0.  The C-16a was manufactured in 1942 by Lima. They were numbered 240-254. The C-16b was manufactured by Baldwin in 1948. They were numbered 255-284. 

The Virginian Railway bought the C-16a's. They bought 15, numbers 240-254; classed as SB, also retaining the same numbers. In 1954 18 were donated to the Korean National Railway.

The Norfolk & Western bought the C-16b's; numbers 255-284. They were classed as S-1 and retained the same road numbers. Improvements made by the N&W included over-fire air jets, a second air pump, and changes to the walkways.

The N&W then "cloned" these; producing the S1a numbers 200-244. Cab #244 holds the distinction of being the last steam locomotive built for an American Class 1 railroad. As such, it is a significant locomotive in the history of steam. 

Note the unique tender.

0 8 0_1

 

This is a locomotive that should appeal to C&O, VGN, and N&W fans.  Please consider offering additional tenders for separate sale with the various road names.

I second that Tom. I'd also like to see 3rd Rail do an N&W K1. They've done and K3 and K2a before so it would seem a logical choice.

VintageClassics posted:
WITZ 41 posted:

I love wish lists, but they all suffer from the same problem:

A  hundred locomotives that two or three people want instead of two or three locomotives that a hundred people want.

That's often true.... But if more people chime in, as is the point of the thread, we may have something nice for Scott and gang to see what we would like...

Happy to chime in.  I just need 99 more of you to chime in too!  I already talked to Scott about it.  He's not optimistic after offering and cancelling the earlier 3 cylinder version.  Only the SP version was made.  However, I would posit that the late version would have more interest due to period of operation 1942-1954 during steam's zenith.

Like many unique Union Pacific power it's been done in HO but never in O.  UP 4-10-2 (late) #5090-5099.  They used oil tenders converted from the 9000 series.  After being simplified to 2 cylinder operation in 1942 they ran as late as 1954 on the Cajon pass.  Big, Brutish, and Beautiful.

#5097 would be the must have cab number.  It survived in operation the longest.

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The Streamliner Vol. 7 No. 1 has some great photos and info on the 4-10-2s in it's discussion of the Cajon Pass....

The Streamliner Vol. 7 No. 1 CoverThe Streamliner Vol.7 No. 1 pg. 20The Streamliner Vol.7 No.1 back Cover

but alas, there only seems to be a market for more Hudsons or another F3/F7........I'll take my singular wishes and go cry tears of self pity, by myself, curled up in the corner now.....

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Joe Congemi posted

I second that Tom. I'd also like to see 3rd Rail do an N&W K1. They've done and K3 and K2a before so it would seem a logical choice.

The K1 is on my short list too. Along with the Z1b. Since this 0-8-0 was common to C&O, VGN, and N&W I had hoped that it would have a better chance of being produced.

Gilly@N&W posted:
Joe Congemi posted

I second that Tom. I'd also like to see 3rd Rail do an N&W K1. They've done and K3 and K2a before so it would seem a logical choice.

The K1 is on my short list too. Along with the Z1b. Since this 0-8-0 was common to C&O, VGN, and N&W I had hoped that it would have a better chance of being produced.

N&W guys,

I would be interested in any of those steamers, too.  I know this was an engine tread, but how about getting some of these done so our engines have some accurate hoppers to pull?  I would love to see Scott do either  one or both in plastic:

 

H9

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If there is anything that will get me to spend the money on a 3rd rail locomotive it would be this:

 

My favorite stories from my grandfather's time on the SP were when the first ones came through Englewood Yard in Houston on the way to California.  His eyes always were lit up when telling it.  These wild locomotives from Germany were apparently the talk of the SP system when they first arrived.

Joe Congemi posted:
Gilly@N&W posted:

A major gap in 3 Rail N&W locomotives is the S1a. The S1a was a 0-8-0 and was used by other railroads as well.  

The C&O's most common switcher engine was the class C-16 0-8-0.  The C-16a was manufactured in 1942 by Lima. They were numbered 240-254. The C-16b was manufactured by Baldwin in 1948. They were numbered 255-284. 

The Virginian Railway bought the C-16a's. They bought 15, numbers 240-254; classed as SB, also retaining the same numbers. In 1954 18 were donated to the Korean National Railway.

The Norfolk & Western bought the C-16b's; numbers 255-284. They were classed as S-1 and retained the same road numbers. Improvements made by the N&W included over-fire air jets, a second air pump, and changes to the walkways.

The N&W then "cloned" these; producing the S1a numbers 200-244. Cab #244 holds the distinction of being the last steam locomotive built for an American Class 1 railroad. As such, it is a significant locomotive in the history of steam. 

Note the unique tender.

0 8 0_1

 

This is a locomotive that should appeal to C&O, VGN, and N&W fans.  Please consider offering additional tenders for separate sale with the various road names.

I second that Tom. I'd also like to see 3rd Rail do an N&W K1. They've done and K3 and K2a before so it would seem a logical choice.

Me three!

CSX Troy posted:
Gilly@N&W posted:
Joe Congemi posted

I second that Tom. I'd also like to see 3rd Rail do an N&W K1. They've done and K3 and K2a before so it would seem a logical choice.

The K1 is on my short list too. Along with the Z1b. Since this 0-8-0 was common to C&O, VGN, and N&W I had hoped that it would have a better chance of being produced.

N&W guys,

I would be interested in any of those steamers, too.  I know this was an engine tread, but how about getting some of these done so our engines have some accurate hoppers to pull?  I would love to see Scott do either  one or both in plastic:

 

H9

I would like to see these hoppers too. I think someone has done them in brass, BUT, who the heck can afford to build a train of $300+ hoppers?

As a post WWII and PRR runner, I realize I have a lot of steam to choose from.  However, if 3rd Rail decided to do another PRR steamer these are my choices in order of preference:

-B8a.  A 0-6-0T converted from B8 shifters.  Nice small engine that lasted into 50s.

-K5.  Two were built and they lasted into the 50s.

-K2.  242 K2/K3 were built, and only one K2 remained in 1949.  But that is my era so I'd buy it.

-N2sa.  Don't really need another large engine, but this one is missing from all manufacturers' lineups.  While this was initially a USRA design, all were rebuilt with Belpaire fireboxes starting in 1923.  I would only buy the rebuilt version.

The only diesel I want is a Phase II or Phase III F3 ABA (Phase II early would be great).  Not interested in Phase I, Phase IV or F5.  Right now 3rd Rail's web site states only the Phase IV will be made, probably using some of their F7 tooling.  

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I'll dream too and put in a vote for the PRR K2.  A little before my era of modeling, but I'm not past faking it a bit.  It is so homely compared to the K4s.  Got love an ugly steam engine.

The Wyoming is cool, but I don't see 100 orders for it.  Too bad because I just picked up a Locomotive Cyclopedia that has the drawings. 

Other dreams include:

  • CNJ 4-4-2 Camelback
  • CNJ 2-8-0 Camelback
  • CNJ Baby Face Baldwins
  • PRR D16sb
  • FP45 and SDP40F
  • Western Maryland Potomac
  • PRR R1
  • PRR DD2
  • ACS64
  • Metroliners
  • Silverliners
  • EMD EA

 

The list goes on ......

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GG1 4877 posted:

I'll dream too and put in a vote for the PRR K2.  A little before my era of modeling, but I'm not past faking it a bit.  It is so homely compared to the K4s.  Got love an ugly steam engine.

 

Well you could do the PRR K3 4-6-2, and that would also allow sunset to do the N&W E3 4-6-2, whom the PRR sold 5 K3 to, thought the N&W supplied their own standard tender (which sunset has done.

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superwarp1 posted:

I wonder how many here would actually pony up the money if there wish came true and 3rdrail was to make their engine?   Case in point when 3rdrail didn't get enough reservations for the NYC H10 mikado.

A good point... I for 1 definitely would purchase any of my wishlist engines if 3rd Rail were to make any of them.

I remember back when we tried to get 3rd Rail to do the ATSF 2900 class, and THEY DID! 

It's a shame about the NYC H10 Mikado...  I wonder if perhaps it wasn't the "right time" for it...Perhaps the H10 might do better now or in the near future?

 

 

VintageClassics posted:
superwarp1 posted:

I wonder how many here would actually pony up the money if there wish came true and 3rdrail was to make their engine?   Case in point when 3rdrail didn't get enough reservations for the NYC H10 mikado.

A good point... I for 1 definitely would purchase any of my wishlist engines if 3rd Rail were to make any of them.

I remember back when we tried to get 3rd Rail to do the ATSF 2900 class, and THEY DID! 

It's a shame about the NYC H10 Mikado...  I wonder if perhaps it wasn't the "right time" for it...Perhaps the H10 might do better now or in the near future?

 

 

I'm wondering how the reservations are going for the two Mohawk classes 3rdrail announced last year???  A engine no one seem to ask for.

GG1 4877 posted:

I'll dream too and put in a vote for the PRR K2.  A little before my era of modeling, but I'm not past faking it a bit.  It is so homely compared to the K4s.  Got love an ugly steam engine.

The Wyoming is cool, but I don't see 100 orders for it.  Too bad because I just picked up a Locomotive Cyclopedia that has the drawings. 

Other dreams include:

  • CNJ 4-4-2 Camelback
  • CNJ 2-8-0 Camelback
  • CNJ Baby Face Baldwins
  • PRR D16sb
  • FP45 and SDP40F
  • Western Maryland Potomac
  • PRR R1
  • PRR DD2
  • ACS64
  • Metroliners
  • Silverliners
  • EMD EA

 

The list goes on ......

Other than something interesting like a side rod electric like DD2 the others are neat but probably a small target audience.   The O1's are still often seen and both them and the L1s were not the quickest sell-outs so it seems that either PRR stuff sells slow (worked out?) or is made in too high of run numbers.  Only the manufacturer knows that.

Surprised the FP45/F45 hasn't been done.  It has a lot of curb appeal.   Athearn got a lot of miles out of the HO version (or was it AHM with the N scale one - getting too old to remember!).

Love them even though they are out of my era.  I recall a post by Number 90 where Tom said they were noisy to run due to the enclosed/full carbody.    Still wished I would have been able to have some of his right hand cab seat time.  

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superwarp1 posted:

I wonder how many here would actually pony up the money if there wish came true and 3rdrail was to make their engine?   Case in point when 3rdrail didn't get enough reservations for the NYC H10 mikado.

I stood by my word and purchased the GGD Amtrak Slumbercoach, The Amtrak decorated El Capitan, the Amtrak Superdome, 

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and have on order the PRR heavyweights: dinner, baggage and RPO!( To go with my one or two Sleeping cars that arrived last year!)

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M J Breen posted:
GG1 4877 posted:

I'll dream too and put in a vote for the PRR K2.  A little before my era of modeling, but I'm not past faking it a bit.  It is so homely compared to the K4s.  Got love an ugly steam engine.

 

Well you could do the PRR K3 4-6-2, and that would also allow sunset to do the N&W E3 4-6-2, whom the PRR sold 5 K3 to, thought the N&W supplied their own standard tender (which sunset has done.

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It may be a Pacific type wheel arrangement but for two popular railroads along with that funky looking trailing truck and it being an older PRR steam class  never been done in O scale or three rail before would sell better than the monotonous PRR L1 that has flooded the market for the past decade.

To the Most Knowledgeable All-seeing, All-knowing, Great Manufacturer 3rd Rail,

Please allow me to enjoy before I croak (I will be 70 in May) the most illustrious of all smelly diesel locos, the most famous Milwaukee SDL-39. Please. Thank you, I plead, beg what ever it takes, Please.

Dick

 

texastrain posted:

Texassp

   ATSF also used the German manufactured engines.  They used a hydraulic powered motoring system, one reason why they were not used for as long a time.  I, too, have always wished they would be produced in O scale/gauge modeling.

Jesse      TCA

Jed

None of my Santa Fe books even indicate that Santa Fe ever tested a Krausse-Maffei locomotive, let alone owned one. 

SP and D&RGW are the only roads that bought K-M's and even the Rio Grande trio eventually went to the SP.

However, in February 1963, the New York Central tested two Rio Grande K-M's for 19 days.

Rusty

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CBQer posted:

To the Most Knowledgeable All-seeing, All-knowing, Great Manufacturer 3rd Rail,

Please allow me to enjoy before I croak (I will be 70 in May) the most illustrious of all smelly diesel locos, the most famous Milwaukee SDL-39. Please. Thank you, I plead, beg what ever it takes, Please.

Dick

 

Oooo!.....I like it!

Groveling to the drumbeat of mortality!

Now, why didn't I think of that?

I'm with Santiago.........Rock Island 4-8-4, coal & oil, either 5000's or 5100's.  Beautiful locomotives, which operated all over the CRIP system, including Chicago, Omaha, Twin Cities, Kansas City, Denver, Colorado Springs, Tucumcari NM, Dallas/Ft worth, Lincoln NE.  So these locomotives could be an addendum to almost any modeler's roster of SP, CBQ, Milw, DRGW, etc.

superwarp1 posted:

I wonder how many here would actually pony up the money if there wish came true and 3rdrail was to make their engine?   

Well, I stepped up on the N&W K2a, M, and TE-1. Bought the K3 on the secondary market. It was offered before I became active in the hobby again.

The only reason I didn't buy the Y6b; I already had the Lionel JLC. "Good enough" in my book.

If a K1, S1a, or Z1b is offered, I'm getting them even if something else gets sold-off.

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Milwaukee Steam Power

Northern Pacific Steam Power

SP&S Steam Power

Steam that's never been offered in O scale.

I love Steam but I see that these could be hot sellers.

FM Erie Built AB units. Those would go great with the GGD Hiawatha passenger set.

Amtrak Cascades Talgo Set would be cool. Never offered in O scale or any other scale.

A better model of the Amtrak GE P42 than MTH with more prototypical detailing.

ALCO Century Series. C636's which have never been done on O scale.

 

 

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I'm with Mark S,  Central Vermont T3a 2-10-4. smaller, 60" drivers, Elasco feed water heater, Vandy tender

and a popular road name with a great splash of color on the tender. This engine would stand out chugging

along with a string of milk cars  on anyones layout. Would love to see Scott put this

engine out for a reservation trial balloon ,  I think he'd be surprised at the level of interest in producing 

this locomotive.

 

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J 611 posted:

I would like a properly detailed N&W 611 excursion version.

That's an interesting one.

I think the excursion version has a dual headlight - are there any other defining features?

 Not sure if it was just on the 611 or all of the later J's, but the earlier ones had rounded tender tank tops (as modeled by sunset) and 611 has a flat top today. 

roll_the_dice posted:

Let's get this back to the top...  I would like to see a 4-6-2 light pacific or similar, painted black, but undecorated to any road name.  This way we could letter it to any road name we wanted.  This would help with obscure road names not being done.

This is a very interesting idea.  If there is any chance said light pacific could be stretched into a Erie prototype with a little work (detailing & decaling) on my part, I would be 100% in.

CAPPilot posted:

As a post WWII and PRR runner, I realize I have a lot of steam to choose from.  However, if 3rd Rail decided to do another PRR steamer these are my choices in order of preference:

-B8a.  A 0-6-0T converted from B8 shifters.  Nice small engine that lasted into 50s.

-K5.  Two were built and they lasted into the 50s.

-K2.  242 K2/K3 were built, and only one K2 remained in 1949.  But that is my era so I'd buy it.

-N2sa.  Don't really need another large engine, but this one is missing from all manufacturers' lineups.  While this was initially a USRA design, all were rebuilt with Belpaire fireboxes starting in 1923.  I would only buy the rebuilt version.

The only diesel I want is a Phase II or Phase III F3 ABA (Phase II early would be great).  Not interested in Phase I, Phase IV or F5.  Right now 3rd Rail's web site states only the Phase IV will be made, probably using some of their F7 tooling.  

Relooking what I wrote earlier, I realize that I really only need/want/desire two engines, the B8a and F3 Phase II/III ABA consist.

I do not need, nor want, any more large steamers.  The B8a would be a nice small steamer for yard work.

I only have one freight diesel, an Erie Built AB consist.  I would like an F3 (Phase II/III only) ABA set to give me another freight option, but right now 3rd Rail is only doing the Phase IV.  May have to wait a few years for this one.

Well, with the failure of the Santa Fe 2-6-2 to generate much interest, I think more Santa Fe steam is only wishful thinking for a while, so don't faint, I am actually going to suggest foreign line engines.

Frisco had very neat and well-maintained locomotives.  I could get a Frisco caboose or three Frisco passenger cars and use a small Frisco steam engine on an imaginary train on the high plains.  Even better would be an engine from the Frisco subsidiary, Quanah Acme & Pacific.  I think they both rostered 4-6-0's.

But Scott has tried to offer Frisco in the past, and not enough interest was forthcoming.  So, something that might sell and I might buy would be a Southern Pacific 4-6-2.  Scott offered such an engine, oh, I don't know, maybe 10 years ago.  Maybe it could work again, especially in light of the Harriman cars recently produced.

I won't hold my breath, though.  Big 4-8-4's and articulateds seem to be what the market wants.

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CAPPilot posted:
 

Relooking what I wrote earlier, I realize that I really only need/want/desire two engines, the B8a and F3 Phase II/III ABA consist.

I do not need, nor want, any more large steamers.  The B8a would be a nice small steamer for yard work.

I only have one freight diesel, an Erie Built AB consist.  I would like an F3 (Phase II/III only) ABA set to give me another freight option, but right now 3rd Rail is only doing the Phase IV.  May have to wait a few years for this one.

Looks like I got my wish on the F3.  Do to the similarities between the F3 Ph IV and the F7, 3rd Rail has decided to make a F3 Ph II engine instead, at least for the PRR according to Jonathan.  Not sure about the other roads.  Their web site now says they are making Ph II through Ph IV but has not yet provided any additional information.

daylight posted:
milwrd posted:

Milwaukee Road Mallet 2-6-6-2.

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They did these engines years ago ( not mallets) with the shroud over the boiler.  I had one but didn't think the Milwaukee road was a choice.  Like small Berkshires.

 

Hot water I know you can correct me regarding type

It's not a shroud.  It's a Coffin Feedwater heater. 

Coffin Feedwater heaters could also be recessed into the smokebox as on some Frisco 2-8-2's:

2-8-2 SLSF 1355

Rusty

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