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Here are some quick photos. Sorry for the mediocre quality, I didn’t have time to whip out the DSLR and instead took these with my iPhone....

In short summary, Another Home Run!

Two minor critiques...

1) the diaphragms lack any play (spring effect), while in some past models (the E8’s & 9’s come to mind) the diaphragms were multi part metal and had some minor flex to them. This allowed for ultra close coupling with short box/length Kadees to the extent that the diaphragms could be butted right up to each other for absolutely no gap between units.

2) I hate to be the one to point this out because it’s one of those “once you see it, you can’t unsee it” kinda things although ever so minor... The gal in charge of the “Main Street of the Northwest” forgot to dot her I’s; but it is the easiest of DIY fixes requiring only the smallest dot of white paint and a very steady hand.

Also, these are my first 3rd rail diesels since the 2nd run PA’s. I’m not sure if this is the first time Kadee mounting brackets have been included, but if so they are a welcome  addition to the parts bag! Here we’ve got a bolt on 3RS setup out of the box. Thank you Scott!!!

Finally, to all who have some on the way; you will be absolutely blown away with satisfaction when you unwrap them! And to those who don’t, you’re gonna have a real sore butt from sitting on that fence. 

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@Oman posted:

Could it be the O-31 curve requirement? What is the minimum curve for these? I'm thinking of putting in an order for a possible 2nd run.

Well your big scale vision line diesels won't run on 0-31 I would think anyway.  These are 0-54 curves and O-72 turnouts which I think has more to do with the way the motor is connected to the trucks than anything to do with the couplers swing.  I'll post a video sometime this weekend.

@catnap posted:

Why is there glass missing on some of the portholes?

I am not sure if this was directed to any of the specific units photographed above but I can say that all portholes on my NP’s have glass in them. In some of the photos I took, they may look like they don’t, but it is really just that the glass is near perfectly clear. Also, I took better photos today and will post them after I have a chance to transfer them off of the camera. 

Those are beautiful engines.  Looks like they are sold out.  In my fleet, I don't own any 3rd rail engines, I am guessing mostly because of the required radius or the fact they are sold out upon delivery.    When Kirke was at Just Trains, I purchased one, but my 0-54 and the engines 0-54 did not work, and so I had to return it.

John

I am not sure if this was directed to any of the specific units photographed above but I can say that all portholes on my NP’s have glass in them. In some of the photos I took, they may look like they don’t, but it is really just that the glass is near perfectly clear. Also, I took better photos today and will post them after I have a chance to transfer them off of the camera. 

Thanks for setting the record straight. Taking another look I can see where the glass is so clear that it could give that illusion on all of the models pictured.

Anyhow, these are beautiful models. I especially like the NP's colors.

@GG1 4877 posted:

Ditto ....

On this project I know of two quality control issues one major and the other fairly minor.  What they were isn't at all important.  What is important is that they were fixed prior to shipping to the customer.  

Keep the pictures coming.

Scott emailed me and said that the road number boards on the Erie models weren't right and that he was having the correct ones done and shipped over. He said that they would install them before shipping to me. Can't ask for much more than that. Issues are bound to come up when the models are built on the other side of the planet. Scott does a good job IMHO. 

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Jonathan,

I didn't realize he called the Erie buyers on that.  Very cool.  We discussed it when they arrived and luckily it was easily resolved.  I hope the rest is done to your satisfaction when they arrive.  

Of course I have an AB set of PRR ones coming sometime in 2R.  Wish he had done CNJ, I really NEED those more than I need more PRR locomotives, but not the end of the world.  

-Other Jonathan

@clem k posted:

I sure do like Superwarp's Lightning Stripes, but I'm patiently waiting for my Amtrak rolling stock.  

Clem,

I don't think Amtrak F3s will make the second run, not likely for the 3rd run, and not looking good for the 4th!

I have the same dilemma at the moment with all the Amtrak offerings in trying to stay within a reasonable budget on Viewliners, Amfleet, phase III Slumbercoach, and E60s.  The ultimate answer will likely not be a reasonable budget....

@GG1 4877 posted:

That is one of the ones I wanted to order.  NdeM get so little love in this hobby and it was an amazing operation considering how creative the road had to be with the finances it had.  So glad to see the final photos.  Thanks for sharing!

Well, I see Scott is floating a short F3 second run. We (may?)now will have a nice opportunity to Have a later purchase of what the Budget wouldn't allow for run one. I myself will be considering the NDM F3 for the south Continuation of the MP Eagle. 
TrainBub

I just put this on the 2 rail forum so I thought I would here too.  While I'm leaning towards 3RS, I'm not there yet.  I do want to mention that 3rd Rail did the correct number boards for the Pennsylvania Railroad's F3s.  This had not been done by other manufacturers other than high end brass.  3rd Rail's N de M's F3s also had the streamlined number boards.  It looks like I should thank the N de M folks for pushing for their F3 since there may not have been enough PRR orders to do this unique feature.

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I just put this on the 2 rail forum so I thought I would here too.  While I'm leaning towards 3RS, I'm not there yet.  I do want to mention that 3rd Rail did the correct number boards for the Pennsylvania Railroad's F3s.  This had not been done by other manufacturers other than high end brass.  3rd Rail's N de M's F3s also had the streamlined number boards.  It looks like I should thank the N de M folks for pushing for their F3 since there may not have been enough PRR orders to do this unique feature.

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Ron,

Originally the concept behind the project was to pick one of the 5 phases of F3 production and make it work for all roads.  As is typical with 3rd Rail work, that went out the window fairly soon when we all realized that most of the advertised road names couldn't fall into a single phase.  Then the decision was made to produce all but phase I F3s as they have the 3rd porthole in the center of the A units and would be a major tooling change.  Finally the project developed into who has done what and when.  Since a phase II (early) PRR F3 had not been done it seemed an obvious choice.  The big spotting difference as you point out is the FT style number boards.  While the PRR didn't own a lot of these early F3s, it was unique enough in the model world to make this choice.  PRR would go on to buy lots of F3s in all phases up and through the model transition to the F7.  For anyone who cares to know more, the late phase II F3 introduced the short roof fans that would continue through F9 production.  These early ones share the same fan design as the FT as well. 

Glad you are happy with them!  This was a fun project. 

Now it's into tooling for GP7/9s and there is a lot of variation on those as well especially anyone who wants a version of the flattened long hood of the GP7 which was common to CNJ, B&M, and CNW.  You won't likely see those in O anytime again.

Which phase F3’s wore the Santa Fe freight “Cat Whiskers” scheme? I’ve wanted a set of those for a while and am only interested in something at the quality and detail level of SS/3R. 

All freight assigned F units wore the cat whisker scheme up through delivery of F7s.  The major change over the years was that the red stripe separating the "creamy yellow" paint from the blue was changed to just the nose area in 1946 and the red stripe disappeared completely when F3s were delivered. 

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Which phase F3’s wore the Santa Fe freight “Cat Whiskers” scheme? I’ve wanted a set of those for a while and am only interested in something at the quality and detail level of SS/3R. 

Santa Fe only had two freight F3 A-B-B-A locomotives: 200L-A-B-C and 201L-A-B-C.  Built in October (200) and November (201), 1948, they were Phase IV F3's, commonly referred to as F5's, looking like early F7's, but with twin-slot dynamic brake fan openings instead of a fifth pan-top fan.  They had stainless steel GE radiator grilles instead of chicken wire.

They were repainted from the blue with cream yellow and cat whisker nose stripes, into the blue with bright yellow and cigar band nose emblem, in 1953 or later.

I remember seeing the 201L-A-B-C make a pickup at Fullerton in the fall of 1958, and by then it had the cigar band scheme.

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@vash44 posted:

I appreciate the info! Hopefully they get made in round 2! Have UP on order but haven’t seen them. Wasn’t sure if the CNW made it either. 

It would be helpful if we knew what roads were produced and what offered roads missed the cut. It’s a shame if say a road missed the cut by one unit and someone could have stepped up for a second unit.  Just saying..... too bad not some way of flagging before road offering “flushed”  

 

Here are some quick photos. Sorry for the mediocre quality, I didn’t have time to whip out the DSLR and instead took these with my iPhone....

In short summary, Another Home Run!

Two minor critiques...

1) the diaphragms lack any play (spring effect), while in some past models (the E8’s & 9’s come to mind) the diaphragms were multi part metal and had some minor flex to them. This allowed for ultra close coupling with short box/length Kadees to the extent that the diaphragms could be butted right up to each other for absolutely no gap between units.

2) I hate to be the one to point this out because it’s one of those “once you see it, you can’t unsee it” kinda things although ever so minor... The gal in charge of the “Main Street of the Northwest” forgot to dot her I’s; but it is the easiest of DIY fixes requiring only the smallest dot of white paint and a very steady hand.

Also, these are my first 3rd rail diesels since the 2nd run PA’s. I’m not sure if this is the first time Kadee mounting brackets have been included, but if so they are a welcome  addition to the parts bag! Here we’ve got a bolt on 3RS setup out of the box. Thank you Scott!!!

Finally, to all who have some on the way; you will be absolutely blown away with satisfaction when you unwrap them! And to those who don’t, you’re gonna have a real sore butt from sitting on that fence. 

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WOW these are spectacular!!!!

 

NP's FT's, F7's, FP7's and F9's all had D/B's.  I see no reason why the F3's wouldn't.  Overhead views are hard to come by, but in this shot of the 1947 NCL the D/B vents are (barely) visible.

Rusty

Then why would the models of them, and the NYC F3s not have them?  It seems like a huge oversight for such an expensive model.

https://youtu.be/_IzkwGCdhlo

This was confirmed at the club after a long discussion between members, comparing the Lionel, MTH and 3rd Rail F3s.

NP's FT's, F7's, FP7's and F9's all had D/B's.  I see no reason why the F3's wouldn't.  Overhead views are hard to come by, but in this shot of the 1947 NCL the D/B vents are (barely) visible.

Rusty

It took some docu-diving to find info that Actually! showed what you were talking about - where !!! barely!!! Visible !!!!  The db vents are!!! Barely visible - just behind the cab / left from the horns.

The F3, Run #2 is finished and will be shipping from the factory June 20th. There is chaos on the oceans regarding shipping, so I will send an email to those that reserved them once I get notice of the ETA to Oakland Port.

As for DB panels on the NP F3s, they are interchangeable. We have NON DB, DUAL VENT DB, FAN DB. Just have to paint to match.

Scott,  
Thanks for the shipping update. It makes some time in August appear to be a likely delivery target for us buyers.

The non DB, dual vent DB, and Fan DB comment is welcomed. The variations are a detail my eyes see by honestly my brain never registered the differences. Perhaps seeing only one at a time can be my culprit. I’ve gone back and inspected my Fs and lo and behold - all three variations are represented.  The variations are Also there when expanded to FTs and F7s. I also see some variations with the fan DB. I see a “tall” fan, a flush fan, and two in-line slightly smaller fans. All in the correct place just behind the cab.
I guess all these variations are just a function of how many and how long all these Fs were produced.
Cheers !!! 🙂

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Quick cell phone snaps, but this is one of the A units from my B & O F3 A-B-A set from the 1st run.  Sorry these pictures do not do it justice (need better light than what my too-warm desk lamp provides).  The level of detail is astounding.  I grew up with an ubiquitous pair of Lionel 2343 Santa Fe F3s (real screen for the roof vents was as detailed as they got), and as cool as they are, this is a whole different ball game.  These will go nicely with my 3rd Rail B & O GP7 and the EA/B set and Capitol Limited I have reserved!

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You folks on the 2 Rail and 3 Rail Scale forums got nice looking F3 AA/AB/ABA consists.  These are absolutely great engines for looks (especially), power and sound.

I was greatly disappointed when I first put my 3 rail engines on the track and saw how far apart the units were.  These are electrocouplers and I don't need them between the units.

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That is 6 scale feet.  I need to see how hard it is to put kadees on them.

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The Kadee coupler conversion is fairly simple.  There is typically a set of parts in the box that has the correct bolsters to mount Kadee couplers along with a 2R front pilot with a smaller opening for the coupler.  I don't know about the F3s only because I only have 2r rail versions of that.  My PAs which I got in both 2 and 3 rail had the extra parts in the 3 rail box.

Hi Folks,

The F3s and Amtrak cars are in a container waiting for the vessel to pick them up, on or about July 17th. We've been ready since June, but you can't get a schedule even when you agree to pay an extra $6000 for the container. That's right, $6000 more, on top of the regular $3500 costs.  For us, this hits in my pocket, because when there are unexpected expenses they come out of the bottom line, ME.  I want to thank those of you that already sent in your payments. It really helps since we are having to wait longer than usual to receive these even after we've paid for them all in June.  In fact the whole process of making these projects is slower because I am not able to be there to make the decisions, to catch the errors early which saves time.

Then we are pumping money into the Krauss  Maffei, HO SP AC9, C&O Hudsons, all in production right now.  And next is the SP Daylights for the Aluminum car factory.  So delays in receiving product is very frustrating and challenging when your trying to juggle all these oranges.

Here's a news article describing the current situation with containers:

https://www.joc.com/maritime-n...g-woes_20210608.html

This situation is due to shortages of container and ships, record levels of  importing due to the shift in buying patterns in the US, slow downs at the ports due to COVID. Greed, posturing by bigger corporations buying futures in containers, leaving less for the smaller shipper to fight over. It's market forces that will eventually work themselves out.  I am reading about more ship lines coming to the business, more vessels being brought back to service.  The moment there is oversupply in capacity the prices will come down. I dream of taking my 60ft schooner (I wish)  and picking up the shipment and sailing it home. Dream on...

The Korean guy in the middle runs the small factory that makes all the Aluminum cars. "Hi Mr. Kim. You need to eat more. You look thinner than when I saw you in December of 2019."  He's normally a very thin guy. Very kind, compassionate, soft spoken which is very important when negotiating, solving problems and making corrections. We both give a little along the process. He's married to a Chinese woman and has 2 kids in their teens living in China.  In China a foreigner cannot easly own and run a company in China, so their wife usually owns the business.

I think his kids attend a Korean school in the area. Really nice folks. I feel bad when I see something wrong and have to ask for a big correction. His wife is always there by his side working with him, pad printing, doing decals, managing their unskilled staff. And when I ask for a correction, I usually get a slap in the shoulder and bulging eyes telling me of her disapproval. But they do the corrections anyway, because they know it's for you, the customer.

And I pay them extra for it. Below is the factory working on the Rock Island Rocket cars. Mrs. Kim is standing next to our Production Manager. Many of the unskilled workers move from one Model train factory to another as needed. They've all known each other for many years as Mr. Kim used to be an engineer for one of the major model train manufactures before he struck out on his own.




Once I have an ETA schedule from our freight forwarder, I'll send out final notices for these projects.

To All: Have a great summer.

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Excellent “newsy” post Scott. A good snapshot of what going on in the train business. I can appreciate the importance of you being there to help keep things smooth - and the detriment of you not being able to travel there.  Today’s operations just requires more patience on our part.    
Market forces will eventually re-balance and shipping cost will return to “reasonable”.
I prefer to pay ahead - before product arrives. It helps you and it’s a way I can manage my cash flow. If the sum gets large say from three diesels, I send in multiple payments monthly to reach the sum due. That way I don’t take a big budget hit all at once. 😬🙂

@sdmann posted:

Hi Folks,

The F3s and Amtrak cars are in a container waiting for the vessel to pick them up, on or about July 17th. We've been ready since June, but you can't get a schedule even when you agree to pay an extra $6000 for the container. That's right, $6000 more, on top of the regular $3500 costs.  For us, this hits in my pocket, because when there are unexpected expenses they come out of the bottom line, ME.  I want to thank those of you that already sent in your payments. It really helps since we are having to wait longer than usual to receive these even after we've paid for them all in June.  In fact the whole process of making these projects is slower because I am not able to be there to make the decisions, to catch the errors early which saves time.

Then we are pumping money into the Krauss  Maffei, HO SP AC9, C&O Hudsons, all in production right now.  And next is the SP Daylights for the Aluminum car factory.  So delays in receiving product is very frustrating and challenging when your trying to juggle all these oranges.

Here's a news article describing the current situation with containers:

https://www.joc.com/maritime-n...g-woes_20210608.html

This situation is due to shortages of container and ships, record levels of  importing due to the shift in buying patterns in the US, slow downs at the ports due to COVID. Greed, posturing by bigger corporations buying futures in containers, leaving less for the smaller shipper to fight over. It's market forces that will eventually work themselves out.  I am reading about more ship lines coming to the business, more vessels being brought back to service.  The moment there is oversupply in capacity the prices will come down. I dream of taking my 60ft schooner (I wish)  and picking up the shipment and sailing it home. Dream on...



The Korean guy in the middle runs the small factory that makes all the Aluminum cars. "Hi Mr. Kim. You need to eat more. You look thinner than when I saw you in December of 2019."  He's normally a very thin guy. Very kind, compassionate, soft spoken which is very important when negotiating, solving problems and making corrections. We both give a little along the process. He's married to a Chinese woman and has 2 kids in their teens living in China.  In China a foreigner cannot easly own and run a company in China, so their wife usually owns the business.

I think his kids attend a Korean school in the area. Really nice folks. I feel bad when I see something wrong and have to ask for a big correction. His wife is always there by his side working with him, pad printing, doing decals, managing their unskilled staff. And when I ask for a correction, I usually get a slap in the shoulder and bulging eyes telling me of her disapproval. But they do the corrections anyway, because they know it's for you, the customer.

And I pay them extra for it. Below is the factory working on the Rock Island Rocket cars. Mrs. Kim is standing next to our Production Manager. Many of the unskilled workers move from one Model train factory to another as needed. They've all known each other for many years as Mr. Kim used to be an engineer for one of the major model train manufactures before he struck out on his own.


Once I have an ETA schedule from our freight forwarder, I'll send out final notices for these projects.

To All: Have a great summer.

Mr Mann, thank you and thank Mr Kim for me and his lovely wife. You guys are miracle workers and bring great joy to my life. I am forever in your debt and the factory and all its workers for building me some things I've always wanted ane without you guys I dare say I would likely never have them, these models are worth so much more than we pay for them; yet you still manage to keep the prices so reasonable which all the same makes it possible for me to buy them. Again... my sincere thanks and admiration to you all. I tip my hat and a standing ovation.

Yesterday I got notice that the container got "Rolled" on to later vessel, departing July 16th, just a 3 day delay. The good news is the port congestion is clearing up a bit and port delays are lighting up. We now have a port arrival at (8/8 + 1 week port delays) = mid August, 10 days later it should arrive at our warehouse in late August. That is what we are planning for. It's like watching grass grow.

@sdmann posted:

Yesterday I got notice that the container got "Rolled" on to later vessel, departing July 16th, just a 3 day delay. The good news is the port congestion is clearing up a bit and port delays are lighting up. We now have a port arrival at (8/8 + 1 week port delays) = mid August, 10 days later it should arrive at our warehouse in late August. That is what we are planning for. It's like watching grass grow.

Gee. Looking at earlier posts about run 1, if we get run 2 delivery to our house by say early September, it looks like that will be Only fifteen months or so between run 1 and run 2 delivery. That’s Really Pretty Good Product Delivery IMO !!!

@sdmann posted:

Hi Folks,

The F3s and Amtrak cars are in a container waiting for the vessel to pick them up, on or about July 17th. We've been ready since June, but you can't get a schedule even when you agree to pay an extra $6000 for the container. That's right, $6000 more, on top of the regular $3500 costs.  For us, this hits in my pocket, because when there are unexpected expenses they come out of the bottom line, ME. . . This situation is due to shortages of container and ships, record levels of  importing due to the shift in buying patterns in the US, slow downs at the ports due to COVID. Greed, posturing by bigger corporations buying futures in containers, leaving less for the smaller shipper to fight over. It's market forces that will eventually work themselves out.

Thanks, Scott.  You have always been willing to take an occasional beating for your customers, and that is one of the reasons that you are held in such high regard by many of us.  If anyone asked me to give an example of an honest, customer-driven businessman, your name would be the first to come to mind.

Thank you for your years of excellent product offerings, as well as for your efforts to keep the products better with each succeeding offering, and for your dedication to doing the right thing for the right reason.  Few others have been so willing to focus on satisfying their customers.

I read an article about container losses and can't find it now. It was sparked by a loss of 1,700 containers last fall. There are about 6 million containers in existence. Around 2 million are on the water at any given time. They lose about 1,000 a year into the ocean. That number has been falling from a high of about 3,000 per year.

They must not be waterproof or they could find them floating where the went in.

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Vaca Sagrada !!! Holy Cow !!! My NDM is Gorgeous !!!  😛And goodness - check out the interior equipment. 😮😲🙃.
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The NDM joins my MP and T&P diesels to be the part of the TEXAS EAGLES.    The NDM will head the Aztec EAGLE !!!!

(As usual-photos didn’t go into the box in the right order 😖. Mind of its own)

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