Ten Steam Locomotives you would save

And not just steam...

 

Rusty

D&RGW (ex-D&SL) Class L-62, 2-6-6-0

D&RGW Classes L-95, L-107, L-109 and L-131!!, 2-8-8-2

D&RGW Class K-59, 2-8-2 (these Mikados often hauled passenger trains)

Colorado Midland, one each of their several classes of 4-6-0's and 2-8-0's

Denver and Salt Lake, one each of 2-8-0's, and 4-6-0's

Denver, South Park, and Pacific, one each 2-6-6, and 2-8-6 Mason Bogies

Several two truck Heislers from various West Virginia and other logging roads

Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific, 4-8-2 and 2-10-2

Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy, 4-8-4 and 2-10-4, and the widely used R-Class 2-6-2

Missori Pacific, large steamers, a couple

 

Most of these are still around.

CP Hudson 4-6-4

 

Russian Decapod 2-10-0

 

Pennsy I1 Decapod 2-10-0 top shelf, and M1a Mountain 4-8-2 bottom shelf with long haul tenders.

 

Pennsy C1 0-8-0

 

Pennsy E6 4-4-2

 

Pennsy H10 2-8-0

 

Pennsy K4 4-6-2

 

Pennsy L1s Mikado 2-8-2

 

Pennsy A5 0-4-0

 

Pennsy G5 4-6-0

 

Pennsy USRA 0-6-0

Pennsy B6 0-6-0

One each of the geared locomotives 

One PRR T-1

One small mallet (5# lol) 2-4-4-2 (or whatever)

One gas speeder

1. ATSF 3460 "Blue Goose" Hudson
2. CNW E4 Hudson
3. CNW E2 Yellow Jacket Pacific
4. PRR S2 Turbine
5. CNW H1 Northern
6. ATSF 2-10-4 Texas
7. PRR S1
8. PRR T1
9. PRR K4 Streamlined Hudson
10. ATSF Class 1 Diesel (As delivered) I know you said steam, but this was an unusual diesel.

Northern Pacific Z class articulated
C&O T1 2-10-4

 

I can't find a picture of this? I think some info said it was an Alco?

I honestly don't know which museums would be the best fit for most of these (unless noted), but here's my list:

• PRR S1 6-4-4-6 — RR Museum of PA

• PRR T1 4-4-4-4 — RR Museum of PA

• PRR K4 #3768 — RR Museum of PA

• NYC J3a 4-6-4 (Streamlining optional.  Could be added and taken off from time to time.)

• NH I-5 4-6-4

• MILW A 4-4-2

• MILW F7 4-6-4

• VGN Triplex 2-8-8-8-4

• SNCF 242.A1 4-8-4 — French National Railway Museum, Mulhouse

• Meigs Monorail

These are my steam engines, all New York Central:

 

1) Dreyfus Hudson

2) Commodore Vanderbilt Hudson

3) Conventional Hudson

4) Mohawk

5) Niagara

6) Berkshire - P&LE - NYC System

7) Mikado

8) Ten Wheeler

9) Mogul

10) American

 

where would I like for them to be? Well, since I'm dreaming I'd be a billionaire, have my own roundhouse and belt line where I could run these locos.

 

Not Alco. 

 

Electro-Motive Corporation.  EMC.

 

Rusty

while we're dreaming..gonna dream BIG. at the official Pennsylvania Railroad Museum at the Crestline Roundhouse....

S1 6100

S2 6200

and one of all the major classes,E,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,Q,T,

and a Hudson and Niagara for the NYC Museum.

I guess generally speaking, most people could agree on a NYC Hudson.

 

Heck, and I'm not really that big of a fan of Northeast railroads!

Hokay......U asked for it !   N&W Y6b at VMT, #1.  Jawn Henry at VMT, #2. N&W 1242 at VMT ( she and 1218 can take turns hitting the road), #3. N&W S1a 244 at Roanoke in local fan trips around the area. HQed at VMT. #4.  NYCS J1e 5344 - restored to as built condition, at Erie Pa., in front of the station, #5. NYCS 5451 J3a (final configuration) at Elkhart, or somewhere on the Big Four, #6. PRR J1 at Heinz field Pittsburgh, #7. PRR J1 at Altoona, Juniata Shops, #8. PRR J1 at Hilliard, (Columbus) Ohio, #9.  PRR T1 5500 at Crestline or Bucyrus, Ohio, #10.   Honorable mention...Espee AC9 at Sacremento.

Biggest problem with a Central Hudson is not getting a new one built, but rather which one to do.  Too many choices!  

B&A Berkshire A1a

B&A super Berkshire A1c

J1 Hudson

J3 Hudson

Niagara

L4 Mohawk

Rutland Mountain

B&A Hudson J2

B&A Mikado H5

 

That's nine, cant think of any others

 

Here we go with my top 10 NEVER SHOULD HAVE been scrapped steam locomotives...

 

 Northern Pacific Z-8... nicest Challengers I have ever seen with the streamlined pilot!

 

 Milwaukee Road 4-6-2 Hiawatha - awesome looking paint job too!

 

 

The C&O M-1 steam Turbine... a mighty brute...

 

 

The 4 Aces.... Don't even get me started on the efforts to save this engine...

 

Just a crying shame.

 

 

Love the Niagara type NYC engines... and the while where at it the station behind it... another crying shame, which Detroiter's  have to bear as it scars our sky line.

 

The DRGW L131 - just awesome looking...

 

 

At lease one Z-6 class from the NP, GN, or SP&S RR

 

And  a Northern Pacific class W-5 Mikado with Auxiliary tender please!

 

 

And of course this one ... shame....

 

 

At least a B&O EM-1 and "Big 6" for Baltimore.  Almost anything more of the late B&O steam to round out the wonderful collection there.  Another B&O President or Mike for Gaithersburg would be nice.  

 

Two or three PRR Consols (H) or Ten wheeler's (G) of any sort into any environment where they could be running today.  

 

Little River RR (Townsend, TN) #148 2-4-4-2 for the museum at Townsend or any running environment with a bias toward something in the East, such as Cass.

 

 

Bob

 

 

Of course I would have liked to see several Milwaukee Road engines saved, like the Class A 4-4-2 Hiawatha and a Class F-7 4-6-4 Hiawatha, and hen probably a NYC Hudson and a Niagara (both engines Nelson Blount, founder of Steamtown, had tried to get from the RR) 

 

But the worst travesty of justice was the loss of Grand Trunk Western's 5629, a beautiful USRA Pacific which actually was saved and even operated in excursion service.  Unfortunately the owner, Dick Jensen, totally failed in his responsibility and in 1985 allowed the engine to succumb to the scraper's torch after refusing to move the engine.   The engine had been in pristine condition, still looking for all the world, just like it did when it had been built some 60 years earlier.  To allow a rare and perfect piece  to live on for 25 years beyond the demise of all of it's sister engines and then be cut up, to me was a total disgrace.

 

Paul Fischer

• Any USRA heavy Pacific that the SRR could have modified into a PS4 stand-in during the heyday of the SRR steam program would have been amazing. I know they tried to get Dick Jensen to lease his GTW 5629 (the one that was cut up in the 80s) but Jensen said no. Then, they tried to get A&WP 290, but that RR threatened legal action at turning that into a SRR PS-4. So we all missed out at the chance of seeing even a copy of a PS-4 in action. Darn. 
• CB&Q 5632. She was well known as a fan trip engine in the 60s, but went to the torch as well (Dick Jensen's hand, again)

Good call on that one. Such a shame that the NP was going to keep 2626 (her NP road number) from the torches but a misunderstanding during negotiations with Timken to buy back the locomotive led to the scrap man claiming the sole member of NP's A-1 class. Would have been great to have her on display somewhere in WA state where she ran almost all of her NP career.

Better yet, seeing her in operation today, in her Timken paint/markings, would have been amazing.

And speaking of incredible stupidity....right up with the 2626 story is that of N&W 2174, the last N&W Y6b.  She was sitting in a junk yard in Roanoke, waiting for the local NHRS chapter to get the $ to get her out of there and over to what would eventually be the VMT.  Well the yard changed hands, and the new owners wanted the deal done in a much shorter time. Due to this and some other circumstances the deal failed and the chooch got cut up.  Too bad I didn't know anything about this, as I had the jing to pick up the 2174 available.  Another case of no communication ! Had the need gone out to the other chapters, Lake Shore would have heard about it, and problem solved !

There still is a pennsy decapod 4483 a I1sa she was cosmetically restored in the early 2000s and still sits by the erie depot is hamburg ny (not that far from me) with a alco hh660 soon to be in operation, nkp caboose, and DL&W caboose both cabooses need repaints

 

 

 

 

Southern Streamlined Tennessean 4-6-2 

 

 

Southern Crescent Limited 4-6-2

 

Southern Mountain 4-8-2

 

And the Hiawatha's....

Milwaukee Road Hiawatha Streamlined Class A 4-4-2

Milwaukee Road Hiawatha Streamlined F7 4-6-2

The Milwaukee Road Chippewa-Hiawatha Class F1 4-6-2

 

P51:  After the merger of the Southern and the Norfolk and Western, the new management, which was, of course, very steam oriented, tried to "borrow" the N & W Pacific, now languishing in Worthington, OH, to restore and operate for a few years before returning it to The Ohio Railroad Museum.  But the stubborn management of ORM wouldn't hear of it, and as a result, sitting outside for over 20 years has probably ruined any chance of getting that engine operating, once again.

 

While we're at it, ORM also owns a gas-electric motor car, I believe from the Erie RR.

At one time it would operate and I understand that the group did just that.  But, what a shame!  That priceless treasure from the early part of the 20th Century, also sits and rots into it's own hole.

 

What ever happened to competent RR preservation?

 

Paul Fischer

Way too much "old fogeyism"  anymore.  Seems the prime pieces, be they one or several, in a collection wind up in the custody of one or two individuals, and once they get a little too frosty the control winds up being a liability.  A well run operation will have their progression mapped out well ahead, to avoid this type of trap.  Classic case: B&LE 643 in McKees Rocks.....rotting away 'til Mr. Campbell croaks or it gets scrapped !

Great choices Gilly, I couldn't agree more.  I would also have liked to have the 600.

Y'know...if the Race Horse had been able to stay on a few years longer, we might still  have all those fantasy N&W steamers.  What most folks don't know is how close we all came to losing 611.....and we would have lost 2156 if it weren't "given away" to St. Louis before she was actually retired.  In stark contrast, we have the C&O, who went Diesel early on for a coal road, and yet saved a ton of steam power, almost as if they expected to need it later on.  A little over half a dozen of the "saved" C&O steam has since been scrapped, but still a bunch remains today !

A UP Northern, a UP Challenger and of course a UP Big Boy. I would think there MUST be some good candidates somewhere.

In no particular order:

 

NYC J3a Hudson 4-6-4

NYC S1b Niagara 4-8-4

N&W Y6b 2-8-8-2

B&O EM-1 2-8-8-4

Milwaukee A-Class Hiawatha 4-4-2

PRR T1 4-4-4-4

PRR J1 2-10-4

L&N M1 2-8-4

C&O T1 2-10-4

SP AC9 2-8-8-4

 

As long as we're pipe dreaming:

 

1) PRR K4s at Montauk, NY

2) B&O EM-1 at Cumberland, MD

3) SP AC-9 at El Paso, TX

4) NYC S1b at Schenectady, NY

5) NYC J-1e at Harmon, NY

6) NYNH&H I-5 at New Haven, CT

7) D&RGW L-105 at Denver, CO

8) C&O T-1 at Russell, KY

9) PRR J1a at Columbus, OH

10) PRR T1 at Harrisburg, PA