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AMCDAVE at the time it was nice to see Lionel make a new engine mold. MIKADO 4501 is correct. It sits on the 746 chassis. Also to note that a majority of them were not good runners due to the wrong bearings put in on the motor shaft. I have both the Rock Island and the DL&W. I did hear that later they issued it in a Great Northern which seemed to have the problems that plagued the first two taken care of. Eventually I'll get to putting in the right bearings so mine will run better...............Paul

I had the Northern Pacific one from 1992. Despite not being scale, it did have an attractive paint scheme and ran relatively smooth. I guess Lionel removed the issues from the past two models.

These engines do look REALLY good with the Irvington-style passenger cars made by Williams currently, like the two-tone green Northern Pacific ones.

A fair emulation (as opposed to a model) of a CRIP 4-8-4 (I forget the class designation). Good-looking, hefty, near-scale-girth boiler and fair detail. In other words: scratch bashing fodder! Too bad about the ancient running gear, though. I understand that some of these were incorrectly assembled per a driveshaft bearing, some weren't. But - if the gearing is the same as my Warhorse TMCC N&W loco with the same chassis, it will run poorly even with good bearings - zoom-zoom/bog-bog.

Too bad; a thick beast that just cries out to be a "scale" freelance Mikado with some scale front/rear trucks and some cylinder work.

Ah! You know, that boiler just needs to be put on a Williams brass USRA Mike chassis, with appropriate flourishes...hm. The Lionel tender is probably usable.

Mikado 4501 posted:

Simply put, they aren't. They're the same size as the postwar shrunken-head 746 N&W J's.

Looking closely on the side of my Lackawanna's cylinder and you will see a "J" class plate. I am guessing that they all are like that.

At the time these came out, before the scale revolution, I thought that they were the best looking of Lionel's steam locos. I changed out the bearings (because of the OGR article) before ever running my loco. Mine runs great and has steam chest smoke.
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