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After several hours of digging, I finally found my JB HIAWATHA cars, set #3.   Here is my first crack at posting some photos of the four car consist.  From the rear to the front the cars include: CEDAR RAPIDS observation car, SOUIX FALLS parlor car, DINER car, and RED RIVER VALLEY coach car. 

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The craftsmanship and finish on these cars is unmatched by anything I have seen on any other Standard Gauge cars except other Jerry Brown sets.

If anyone knows who has Jerry Brown Hiawatha sets #1 and #2, please let me know!

I can take and post more photos if there is any interest.  Just let me know what you would like to have me shoot.

Bob Nelson

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BlueComet400 posted:

Hi Bob, ...... The one question I wish I could ask Jerry Brown is why he didn't go with the beaver-tail observation car. 

Given more time, had he not been busy building M-10000s and M-10005s, and had his three Hiawatha sets attracted more orders, I think it is quite likely he would have made a beaver-tail observation car.  Unfortunately, he passed before that could happen.

Bob Nelson

Carey Williams posted:

Hello all...

 

Beaver tail .... everyone knows the real train was wrong ..they should have copied Lionel ......when Lionel was approached about "getting" it right for  the reissue ....no way ,collectors would never buy it ..as it has the wrong rear end ....IMG_2543

There must be an interesting story around this piece. Would you share it, please?

RoyBoy posted:
Carey Williams posted:

Hello all...

 

Beaver tail .... everyone knows the real train was wrong ..they should have copied Lionel ......when Lionel was approached about "getting" it right for  the reissue ....no way ,collectors would never buy it ..as it has the wrong rear end ....IMG_2543

There must be an interesting story around this piece. Would you share it, please?

I too would like to learn the story behind this piece! 

Bob Nelson

navy.seal posted:
RoyBoy posted:
Carey Williams posted:

Hello all...

 

Beaver tail .... everyone knows the real train was wrong ..they should have copied Lionel ......when Lionel was approached about "getting" it right for  the reissue ....no way ,collectors would never buy it ..as it has the wrong rear end ....IMG_2543

There must be an interesting story around this piece. Would you share it, please?

I too would like to learn the story behind this piece! 

Bob Nelson

I would like to know the story on this mod too.

navy.seal posted:

After several hours of digging, I finally found my JB HIAWATHA cars, set #3.   Here is my first crack at posting some photos of the four car consist.  From the rear to the front the cars include: CEDAR RAPIDS observation car, SOUIX FALLS parlor car, DINER car, and RED RIVER VALLEY coach car. 

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The craftsmanship and finish on these cars is unmatched by anything I have seen on any other Standard Gauge cars except other Jerry Brown sets.

If anyone knows who has Jerry Brown Hiawatha sets #1 and #2, please let me know!

I can take and post more photos if there is any interest.  Just let me know what you would like to have me shoot.

Bob Nelson

Thanks indeed for posting these photos, really marvelous. I have a JAD Lines M-1000 set and have always been a fan of his work. Not sure about the Hiawatha car sets, but on a related note this interesting JAD Lines Hiawatha locomotive (a 4-6-2 instead of the 4-4-2 on the other JAD Lines standard gauge Hiawatha locos) is currently for sale by a fellow TTOS SWD member. 

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Carey Williams posted:

Wow very neat conversion ... assume a JAD Hiawatha  was cut and lengthened ? ..Looks like a very good job .

Super  motor with another axle added?

What is the price of the engine ?

 

Thank you for posting the photos

 

Cheers Carey 

 

I think it's actually one of his standard Hiawatha shells, just with the different drive; it appears to have two McCoy drive units blended together- here are a pair of photos. 

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Thanks indeed for posting these photos, really marvelous. I have a JAD Lines M-1000 set and have always been a fan of his work. Not sure about the Hiawatha car sets, but on a related note this interesting JAD Lines Hiawatha locomotive (a 4-6-2 instead of the 4-4-2 on the other JAD Lines standard gauge Hiawatha locos) is currently for sale by a fellow TTOS SWD member. 

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John,

Do you know if this customized JAD Hiawatha locomotive was ever sold, and if it was who bought it?

Bob Nelson

This topic's rebirth along with the renewed interest in the 6-wheel engine that Martin Folb sold a few years ago (he actually called me on the phone and asked me if I was interested in purchasing it, but I passed), reminded me of the 2012 Cal-Stewart display.  I believe Mr. Daniels had recently passed away and they profiled a number of the modern trains that he and others had made.  I believe the story on the set below is that John Daniels made it for his wife and she did not care for the Hiawatha colors, so it was painted blue.  Mrs. Daniels had loaned it for the display.  Note, this one has the 6 wheel motor as well, which he had installed in it, so there are a few of the 6 wheel JAD engines out there.

Note Mr. Cotton's head and arm photo-bombing on the left.  He arranged the display.

The late Arno Barr advised me on purchasing my own JAD Hiawatha at this show and it arrived back in the Midwest a few weeks later.  I believe my set came from Jerry Brown, as I seem to recall the original boxes being addressed to Jerry Brown (I would have to check, as they are still in the box room). 

My Hiawatha appears to never have been run and is currently very stiff and seized.  Some day I need to take some time and oil it and get it running.

NWL

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This topic's rebirth along with the renewed interest in the 6-wheel engine that Martin Folb sold a few years ago (he actually called me on the phone and asked me if I was interested in purchasing it, but I passed), reminded me of the 2012 Cal-Stewart display.  I believe Mr. Daniels had recently passed away and they profiled a number of the modern trains that he and others had made.  I believe the story on the set below is that John Daniels made it for his wife and she did not care for the Hiawatha colors, so it was painted blue.  Mrs. Daniels had loaned it for the display.  Note, this one has the 6 wheel motor as well, which he had installed in it, so there are a few of the 6 wheel JAD engines out there.

Note Mr. Cotton's head and arm photo-bombing on the left.  He arranged the display.

The late Arno Barr advised me on purchasing my own JAD Hiawatha at this show and it arrived back in the Midwest a few weeks later.  I believe my set came from Jerry Brown, as I seem to recall the original boxes being addressed to Jerry Brown (I would have to check, as they are still in the box room). 

My Hiawatha appears to never have been run and is currently very stiff and seized.  Some day I need to take some time and oil it and get it running.

NWL

Was that the Cal-Stewart meet that honored the late Dick Meyer?

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Bob Nelson

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Yes, and thank you for knowing and being able to provide more information.  It was honoring Dick Meyer (was he the D in JAD?).  The blue set must have been his wife's set.  I am so bad at the history of these modern manufacturers, but know that the J A D in JAD Lines represented the initials of the 4 people who made the trains.  Would they have have been John Daniels, Jerry Brown, A????, and Dick Meyer?  I believe the J represented two of the 4 people involved.  

NWL

 

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Based on the fact that I saw several incomplete JAD passenger car bodies in Dick Meyer's workshop and the fact that Dick Meyer sold me additional JAD passenger cars,  I think it's likely that Dick Meyer was both a silent partner and the "subcontractor" that Arno referred to when he stated that additional JAD passenger cars were made and sold by a JAD subcontractor without the approval of the primary JAD partners.

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Bob Nelson 

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