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I could not help but enter into the fun everyone has or is enjoying with the marvelous set.  Before we get into how dumb I was, I need your help to avoid being really dumb, please.   In my defense, my layout has 2 loops (80+ and 90+ Atlas)  with a good 3 feet as the shortest between 90 degree curves on the depth and about 9 feet on the width.  Pretty much Oval within and oval.   Layout is about 12.5 x 15.  

I will say, my friend and Lionel dealer will inspect and test run it with his 2 high tech gurus (probably millennials) prior to shipping.  My thoughts are as follows to expect upon unboxing:

1)  Doors and other moving parts will need to be lubricated.

2)  Something to do with a worm gear having lube that has dried out or is hardening.

3)  Wheels and rollers obviously will need to be lubed.

4)  Am I repacking any gear boxes?  Didn't look at the drive specs yet.

This is the perfect thing for me to tinker with, as I tend to enjoy these types of challenges.

 

Thanks for looking and more thanks if you respond.

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gunrunnerjohn posted:

PRAY!

scott.smith posted:

Sell it before it is too late.

Scott Smith

And leave you gentlemen with all the fun.  Gunrunner, it has been quite a history lesson reading your post from conception until present.  Quite honestly, your post were very informative and helped validate my reason for purchasing this fine set.  I don't think the build quality, realism and detail will ever be around again for quite some time.  I am looking forward to it being in my collection, especially to join my another standard must have "Veranda Turbine"  I am hopeful that this will be a very good experience for my layout. 

I am open to answers to my questions or points at the start of the thread.

By the way, you guys were the first to get up off the ground laughing.  Congratulations.

Wouldn't be the 1st or worst issue.  My last 3 engines resulted in 1 going back to Lionel and 2 going back to MTH.  I expect, and would be disappointed without something.  I know, "you wont be disappointed".  Beat you to it.  We move on upward and upward.  Full speed ahead, any suggestions, other than getting rid of it or etc..... would be very much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Don’t let them Bully You!  I have this set from the beginning!  It is fantastic!  What a crowd pleaser to demonstrate !!  The only problem I had was with one of the Panagraphs !  The first time I sent it to Lionel for repair !  When they sent it back, they included a step by stem procedure to remedy the problem, if I ever had the problem again!  It happened one time after that which I was able to remedy, but never happened again!  They are a little fragile, but really fun to run!  Good luck with yours, and enjoy 😊 it!!!

Fredstrains

This is a great thread, you’ve purchased a great set, The Acela, and if you do have concerns, there a many folks here on the forum that can assist you to enjoy your new Crowd Pleaser....Congratulations.....Place Some Pictures for us to see your new Acela, and the layout it will ride the rails.....Happy Railroading 

Fredstrains posted:

Don’t let them Bully You!  I have this set from the beginning!  It is fantastic!  What a crowd pleaser to demonstrate !!  The only problem I had was with one of the Panagraphs !  The first time I sent it to Lionel for repair !  When they sent it back, they included a step by stem procedure to remedy the problem, if I ever had the problem again!  It happened one time after that which I was able to remedy, but never happened again!  They are a little fragile, but really fun to run!  Good luck with yours, and enjoy 😊 it!!!

Fredstrains

There is Light at the End of the Tunnel.....

Three possibly helpful tips:

1.  Whatever you do, don’t dislodge the pantographs when you unbox the engine or put it on the track. They are the devil’s own job to get back in place. The Lionel support webpage for this set:

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...roductNumber=6-31714

links to a bunch of service tips including one on how the pantographs are attached. Re-attaching them is a job best avoided.

2.  If this set has been sealed/boxed up since manufacture, it’s quite likely the lubricant on the door opening mechanisms has deteriorated. Page 33 of the manual explains how to lube these. It’s just as well that your dealer is testing this out because to lube the mechanism the doors have to open. If the couplers and their infrared transmitters/receivers are not properly aligned they either won’t open or (more often) won’t close.

3.  Set it up first time slowly - probably a good idea to add the cars between the engines and test them one at a time to ensure you have a good infrared connection established between the engines through the cars' couplers.

Finally, READ THE MANUAL and the service tips from beginning to end.

I for one would like to know how you get on; I am thinking of taking mine out of mothballs.

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leapinlarry posted:

This is a great thread, you’ve purchased a great set, The Acela, and if you do have concerns, there a many folks here on the forum that can assist you to enjoy your new Crowd Pleaser....Congratulations.....Place Some Pictures for us to see your new Acela, and the layout it will ride the rails.....Happy Railroading 

Fredstrains posted:

Don’t let them Bully You!  I have this set from the beginning!  It is fantastic!  What a crowd pleaser to demonstrate !!  The only problem I had was with one of the Panagraphs !  The first time I sent it to Lionel for repair !  When they sent it back, they included a step by stem procedure to remedy the problem, if I ever had the problem again!  It happened one time after that which I was able to remedy, but never happened again!  They are a little fragile, but really fun to run!  Good luck with yours, and enjoy 😊 it!!!

Fredstrains

There is Light at the End of the Tunnel.....

I thought there would be helpful people regarding this set.  Only lacking people like me liking to buy one LOL.  I'm pretty pumped and feeling a bit of the "luck of the Irish".  I will definitely let everyone know, and I will look at @chooshoopaul for pointers.  Thank you everyone.

RickO posted:

Didn't Alex M post a video of some work on an Acela?

You may want to do a forum search or check his YouTube channel.

You could alway send him an email. He's always eager to help others out.

You're right on all counts and the threads are a mine of information about the engines (and pantographs) in particular. Here's the first one in 2016 and another last year:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...-at-the-lionel-acela

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...working-on-the-acela

I’m still laughing from Guns post.

Congrats (I think) on your new set.

We got one secondhand, so maybe the kinks were worked out but ours has been pretty well behaved. Touch wood....

It’s a fantastic set. It always draws a crowd, even more so being on this side of the pond. 

Take your time connecting the cars and you’ll be fine. 

Nick

I have had an Acela set with the add on cars almost from the time they came out, and I guess like many I have always had one car that the IR never worked, so that one sits in a display case.  The set has always run like a champ, but I turned off the pantographs and the "car lean" features early on, as it seemed awkward on my max 72 radius.  The only issue I have ever had is the difficult experience in changing out a rubber tire.  The trucks have some very fine/intricate pieces that you have to be very careful with.  But otherwise it is an amazing set.

OMG!!! 2 hours to change the traction tires! 

Got everything on the track (including the add on cars) and went around the first curve and all communications with the end engine was lost 

Sliding doors lose communication on every additional curve

Pantagraphs on one unit never worked do not know why... board issue, motor issue or motor limit sensor?

tilt car mechanisms are loosing parts on the layout and do not center off.

Packed up set and put under the layout... sitting for 6 years now...

Its like buying a boat...

 

J Daddy posted:

OMG!!! 2 hours to change the traction tires! 

Got everything on the track (including the add on cars) and went around the first curve and all communications with the end engine was lost 

Sliding doors lose communication on every additional curve

Pantagraphs on one unit never worked do not know why... board issue, motor issue or motor limit sensor?

tilt car mechanisms are loosing parts on the layout and do not center off.

Packed up set and put under the layout... sitting for 6 years now...

Its like buying a boat...

 

Ah a Big hole in the water that you throw burning £50 notes into! 

Nick

Yep, and the first and last day you own it is the happiest days of having it.

On a serious note. I have toyed with the idea of rebuilding it. I need to understand why one of the pantagraphs will not work. But that would require some buying some parts that I will or will not need.

Next would be looking at changing out the IR sensors and going to Molex connectors between each car. That way the car will not have to be reset on every radius.

The doors are not really the problem with my set, they are fine. Its the tilt mechanism. Some cars do not center off correctly, or at all. they have a mind of their own, and some times they will stay tilted all the time. The tilt off switch works best here.

I may start looking at it again, but right now, I think I am looking to give it a new home.

 

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Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

I could not help but enter into the fun everyone has or is enjoying with the marvelous set.  Before we get into how dumb I was, I need your help to avoid being really dumb, please.   In my defense, my layout has 2 loops (80+ and 90+ Atlas)  with a good 3 feet as the shortest between 90 degree curves on the depth and about 9 feet on the width.  Pretty much Oval within and oval.   Layout is about 12.5 x 15.  

I will say, my friend and Lionel dealer will inspect and test run it with his 2 high tech gurus (probably millennials) prior to shipping.  My thoughts are as follows to expect upon unboxing:

1)  Doors and other moving parts will need to be lubricated.

2)  Something to do with a worm gear having lube that has dried out or is hardening.

3)  Wheels and rollers obviously will need to be lubed.

4)  Am I repacking any gear boxes?  Didn't look at the drive specs yet.

This is the perfect thing for me to tinker with, as I tend to enjoy these types of challenges.

 

Thanks for looking and more thanks if you respond.

I want to state that I contacted "Acela Fella"  prior to doing the run test.  His tips and advice were priceless.  Thanks Paul.

l was I prepared for the worst and could not be more wrong:

1)   I did the lubing and oiling as any new train.  (No problem)

2)  Next step was joining the cars and verifying IR communication. (No communication)

3)  Add one car carefully finessing the couplers and IR sensors together. I want to stress that when this is done you need to jiggle a little bit and slight rotate one care until you feel a sweet spot were it "softly clicks" to let you know you are home.  If you place a finger under the male draw bar you can actually feel the "Click".  Properly clicked, it will be very difficult to take the cars apart.    Power up.  Test for operation.  Power off.

5)  Add the next car following the above step, power off each time,  until complete.

6)  When complete, power up the transformer,  There will be no operation sound from the train, doors on cars should close, and unpowered dummy should be silent. 

Run the train around your layout and check out the operation and sounds.  Check catenary arms for proper lowering and raising.  I only had one not operating, and will tackle that.   I ran it through 90 and 80 curves without one communication error. 

People have stated that it is a most impressive set when operating properly.  That is an understatement.  It runs like a fine swiss watch with a ton of bells and whistles.

The scary part is that I purchased 2 of these sets.  I want to see them run as a pair.  Hopefully #2 will come out as nicely.  My summation is that the joining of the cars properly is the key downfall.  I was prepared to convert to tether.  Not now, at least on this set.  It is great when properly joined.  Don't give up.  Get it back out and try again.  It is a cool set. 

Good tip on joining the IR couplers but this is not a set suitable for running on a carpet layout with the fiddlesome connections, which are not meant to be dis- and re-connected often.

Only one panto not operating is about par for the course in my experience. I do know that Lionel issued a revised pantograph mechanism and PCB after the sets first shipped. I got some because mine simply stopped working at all - in fact I was getting no engine sounds at all even with just the engines connected up. But this suddenly cured itself after I disconnected the command base and accidentally ratcheted the voltage on my transformer up to the max. Go figure.

I have had other weird problems with mine that it would take too long to explain and I don’t understand what caused them anyway! However when the engines and four cars that work reliably are operating it is a real treat to see.

Still, nice to know that you got your first set working.

P.S. The cars are the finest/most detailed ever produced in O scale hands down. 

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Hancock52 posted:

Good tip on joining the IR couplers but this is not a set suitable for running on a carpet layout with the fiddlesome connections, which are not meant to be dis- and re-connected often.

Only one panto not operating is about par for the course in my experience. I do know that Lionel issued a revised pantograph mechanism and PCB after the sets first shipped. I got some because mine simply stopped working at all - in fact I was getting no engine sounds at all even with just the engines connected up. But this suddenly cured itself after I disconnected the command base and accidentally ratcheted the voltage on my transformer up to the max. Go figure.

I have had other weird problems with mine that it would take too long to explain and I don’t understand what caused them anyway! However when the engines and four cars that work reliably are operating it is a real treat to see.

Still, nice to know that you got your first set working.

P.S. The cars are the finest/most detailed ever produced in O scale hands down. 

Definitely right about "no carpet"  One commonality on successful operation, don't futz with the connections once made.  Leave on layout.  I can see that.  I will reiterate, it is the finest/ most detailed produced O scale.  In addition, the drivetrain is silky smooth.  It hums.

The Acela is extremely attractive to me.  Would love to grab one of the distressed sets and give it the same treatment given to my other three Lionel engines.  Remove all electronics, install Kadees and two rail it.

Early auto engineering philosophy; "If you do not  have a certain feature it can not fail and your product will be less  expensive".

c.sam posted:

Let's see some photos of your traversing the gentle curves you have please?

I too would love to have this set but the future layout space is quite limited to 084 and less. Have not seen one run in person but hoping to someday...

I will shoot a video tonight.  Never uploaded a video, but ready to give it a shot.  Always excited to show trains and how they might work for others.

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

I could not help but enter into the fun everyone has or is enjoying with the marvelous set.  Before we get into how dumb I was, I need your help to avoid being really dumb, please.   In my defense, my layout has 2 loops (80+ and 90+ Atlas)  with a good 3 feet as the shortest between 90 degree curves on the depth and about 9 feet on the width.  Pretty much Oval within and oval.   Layout is about 12.5 x 15.  

I will say, my friend and Lionel dealer will inspect and test run it with his 2 high tech gurus (probably millennials) prior to shipping.  My thoughts are as follows to expect upon unboxing:

1)  Doors and other moving parts will need to be lubricated.

2)  Something to do with a worm gear having lube that has dried out or is hardening.

3)  Wheels and rollers obviously will need to be lubed.

4)  Am I repacking any gear boxes?  Didn't look at the drive specs yet.

This is the perfect thing for me to tinker with, as I tend to enjoy these types of challenges.

 

Thanks for looking and more thanks if you respond.

I want to state that I contacted "Acela Fella"  prior to doing the run test.  His tips and advice were priceless.  Thanks Paul.

l was I prepared for the worst and could not be more wrong:

1)   I did the lubing and oiling as any new train.  (No problem)

2)  Next step was joining the cars and verifying IR communication. (No communication)

3)  Add one car carefully finessing the couplers and IR sensors together. I want to stress that when this is done you need to jiggle a little bit and slight rotate one care until you feel a sweet spot were it "softly clicks" to let you know you are home.  If you place a finger under the male draw bar you can actually feel the "Click".  Properly clicked, it will be very difficult to take the cars apart.    Power up.  Test for operation.  Power off.

5)  Add the next car following the above step, power off each time,  until complete.

6)  When complete, power up the transformer,  There will be no operation sound from the train, doors on cars should close, and unpowered dummy should be silent. 

Run the train around your layout and check out the operation and sounds.  Check catenary arms for proper lowering and raising.  I only had one not operating, and will tackle that.   I ran it through 90 and 80 curves without one communication error. 

People have stated that it is a most impressive set when operating properly.  That is an understatement.  It runs like a fine swiss watch with a ton of bells and whistles.

The scary part is that I purchased 2 of these sets.  I want to see them run as a pair.  Hopefully #2 will come out as nicely.  My summation is that the joining of the cars properly is the key downfall.  I was prepared to convert to tether.  Not now, at least on this set.  It is great when properly joined.  Don't give up.  Get it back out and try again.  It is a cool set. 

Good deal!!

You have followed the protocol with success. I have successfully operated mine with all of the features functioning on tubular 0-72 curves provided that the track work is good and crazy configurations are avoided (See, also, Lionel Nation 2). Most samples operate (or can be made to operate) properly. Just takes a bit of patience ... which is always rewarded in the end. At some point, those few who suffer from ADS (ACELA Derangement Syndrome) might consider refraining from posting their unhelpful ad hominem remarks whenever the topic of ACELA comes up.  

Have fun!

Bob

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Bob Bubeck posted:
Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

I could not help but enter into the fun everyone has or is enjoying with the marvelous set.  Before we get into how dumb I was, I need your help to avoid being really dumb, please.   In my defense, my layout has 2 loops (80+ and 90+ Atlas)  with a good 3 feet as the shortest between 90 degree curves on the depth and about 9 feet on the width.  Pretty much Oval within and oval.   Layout is about 12.5 x 15.  

I will say, my friend and Lionel dealer will inspect and test run it with his 2 high tech gurus (probably millennials) prior to shipping.  My thoughts are as follows to expect upon unboxing:

1)  Doors and other moving parts will need to be lubricated.

2)  Something to do with a worm gear having lube that has dried out or is hardening.

3)  Wheels and rollers obviously will need to be lubed.

4)  Am I repacking any gear boxes?  Didn't look at the drive specs yet.

This is the perfect thing for me to tinker with, as I tend to enjoy these types of challenges.

 

Thanks for looking and more thanks if you respond.

I want to state that I contacted "Acela Fella"  prior to doing the run test.  His tips and advice were priceless.  Thanks Paul.

l was I prepared for the worst and could not be more wrong:

1)   I did the lubing and oiling as any new train.  (No problem)

2)  Next step was joining the cars and verifying IR communication. (No communication)

3)  Add one car carefully finessing the couplers and IR sensors together. I want to stress that when this is done you need to jiggle a little bit and slight rotate one care until you feel a sweet spot were it "softly clicks" to let you know you are home.  If you place a finger under the male draw bar you can actually feel the "Click".  Properly clicked, it will be very difficult to take the cars apart.    Power up.  Test for operation.  Power off.

5)  Add the next car following the above step, power off each time,  until complete.

6)  When complete, power up the transformer,  There will be no operation sound from the train, doors on cars should close, and unpowered dummy should be silent. 

Run the train around your layout and check out the operation and sounds.  Check catenary arms for proper lowering and raising.  I only had one not operating, and will tackle that.   I ran it through 90 and 80 curves without one communication error. 

People have stated that it is a most impressive set when operating properly.  That is an understatement.  It runs like a fine swiss watch with a ton of bells and whistles.

The scary part is that I purchased 2 of these sets.  I want to see them run as a pair.  Hopefully #2 will come out as nicely.  My summation is that the joining of the cars properly is the key downfall.  I was prepared to convert to tether.  Not now, at least on this set.  It is great when properly joined.  Don't give up.  Get it back out and try again.  It is a cool set. 

Good deal!!

You have followed the protocol with success. I have successfully operated mine with all of the features functioning on tubular 0-72 curves provided that the track work is good and crazy configurations are avoided (See, also, Lionel Nation 2). Most samples operate (or can be made to operate) properly. Just takes a bit of patience ... which is always rewarded in the end. At some point, those few who suffer from ADS (ACELA Disorder Syndrome) might consider refraining from posting their unhelpful ad hominem remarks whenever the topic of ACELA comes up.  

Have fun!

Bob

To take it one step further.  If anyone is depressed at looking at their non-functioning investments, I will be more than happy to accept donations.  I would even cover the shipping.  These sets are great and can be on layouts with a little work and a fair amount of patience.  Never give up, and keep the faith.

Hancock52 posted:

I’m very glad to see interest in this set revived, although I have little hope of Lionel issuing a Legacy version. 

BTW, I won’t be donating any of mine to anybody. Instead I will send the problem components to Alex M. to see what he can do to make them work!

That's the spirit.  I'm glad you are going to send to Alex.  I don't see them reissuing myself.  The current ones can be made to work, and reissues will probably lack some of the features.

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