Looks good Leandro!  Yes what looks good on s plan sometimes won’t work.  Clearances are a big issue that needs to be worked out when building for sure.  It’s good to check as you go as you did.  If not, you may be tearing out a lot of work.  Looking good!

Where is this? The center of the "U" shape?

All of the curves on the lower level should be curving away from the upper level except for the grades on the end.

A diagonal brace will support that area - on a 45 degree angle 

Can you post the track plan that you are using - you can print from RR-Track.

I have this:Enzoville2.7_60.50.2018

Enzoville_2.7_6050_2018

Carl

Arctic Railroad

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Moonman posted:

Where is this? The center of the "U" shape?

All of the curves on the lower level should be curving away from the upper level except for the grades on the end.

A diagonal brace will support that area - on a 45 degree angle 

Can you post the track plan that you are using - you can print from RR-Track.

I have this:Enzoville2.7_60.50.2018

Enzoville_2.7_6050_2018

Yes, " U " shape in lower level !

Thanks !

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

It looks to me the semi-circle center should be between the front and rear supports indicated by the yellow arrows.

Assemble the left and right half of the semi-circle and insert from each side in between the supports. On the track plan, it appears to be 6" from the wall. Then observe the track position. The ends of the semi-circle should be positioned to set each side for the beginning of the grade. 

Enzoville_2.7_6050_2018

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Arctic Railroad

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This company, MicroFasteners has #4 x 3/4" in black oxide 100pcs for $3.90 US. Their minimum shipping for international orders is $7.00.So, that's 100 screws for the price of 48 Atlas screws

In RR-Track, Component view displays the layout parts - the track count is 235 x 2 screws per track =700

I searched for sheet metal screws with black oxide coating suppliers in brazil with no luck - stainless only - very expensive

 

Use 1 screw per track until you get more screws to continue assembly - one at each joint

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Moonman posted:

This company, MicroFasteners has #4 x 3/4" in black oxide 100pcs for $3.90 US. Their minimum shipping for international orders is $7.00.So, that's 100 screws for the price of 48 Atlas screws

In RR-Track, Component view displays the layout parts - the track count is 235 x 2 screws per track =700

I searched for sheet metal screws with black oxide coating suppliers in brazil with no luck - stainless only - very expensive

 

Use 1 screw per track until you get more screws to continue assembly - one at each joint

Carl, Thanks a lot !!!

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

The straight track in the center was not in the track plan. Remember that this track will set the ends of the semi circle to align with the grade tracks.

I suggest that work on the upper level main line, the grades on each side, then align this curve by adjust that straight.

The work looks good as it always does. Is pai working with you?

 

Carl

Arctic Railroad

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The straight track in the center was not in the track plan. Remember that this track will set the ends of the semi circle to align with the grade tracks.

I suggest that work on the upper level main line, the grades on each side, then align this curve by adjust that straight.

The work looks good as it always does. Is pai working with you?

 

Carl, 

The track was there ! Can you see in my track plan ! I think up level track is blocking your vision.

Other question ! What AWG of the wire I should use? I will use two power Lionel 180W only track and Legacy system.

Thanks,

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

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YES, I MISSED THAT TRACK!   Ok , you should only have get the side to side alignment after you bring the grade track down. 

Lay the upper level mainline from the center crossover out to the grade. Then, work on the grade supports and sub-roadbed.

I don't know what wire sizes are available to you. I use a 12 awg bus with 16 awg track feeds for Legacy. Only one common is needed and two HOT. The transformers connect to the one common. All 14awg is suitable, but the 14 is a little heavy to work with for track feeds. So, a 14 awg bus and 16 awg  track feeds can work.

Basically, whatever you can at a reasonable price. Wire prices have increased in the U.S. 

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Leandro Garcia posted:

Hi !!

Last Updates !

 

Where do you get the elevation points (heights) for the grade? I don't remember what the slope was for that or how to find it in RR-Track.

Edit- ok - I see that if the mouse cursor is hovered over a track joint, the elevation is displayed.

It will look great with a train sweeping around it. 

A train will put on a good shown running the outer loop up mainline and down and under the center.

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Leandro, Picking up on Andy's comment, which I agree your benchwork looks great, aroused my curiosity.  You probably have read where we have trouble getting dimensional lumber here in the United States and Canada that is suitable for benchwork, wood that won't warp, twist, etc.  So, do you have that problem in Brazil, and what can you tell us about the wood you used?

Moonman posted:
Leandro Garcia posted:

Hi !!

Last Updates !

 

Where do you get the elevation points (heights) for the grade? I don't remember what the slope was for that or how to find it in RR-Track.

Edit- ok - I see that if the mouse cursor is hovered over a track joint, the elevation is displayed.

It will look great with a train sweeping around it. 

A train will put on a good shown running the outer loop up mainline and down and under the center.

Carl, I take elevation points in RRtrack in grades !

Thank You !!

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

Mark Boyce posted:

Leandro, Picking up on Andy's comment, which I agree your benchwork looks great, aroused my curiosity.  You probably have read where we have trouble getting dimensional lumber here in the United States and Canada that is suitable for benchwork, wood that won't warp, twist, etc.  So, do you have that problem in Brazil, and what can you tell us about the wood you used?

Andy, Thank you !

Mark, Thank you ! So I found wood in Leroy Merlin the same that the Lowes and Home Depot . There I found dimensional to wood !

My problem now with insulation foam board !

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

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The children are growing up too fast!  You have been a forum friend for a long time now.

You will be happy with the multi-level design.

Perhaps a test run of a diesel to check the grade - jumpers clips for power - make a climb and descent run

Do you think you will be able to acquire the insulation board for the ground/earth?  I don't recall how that was before foam board. The construction style is like open grid with risers of L-girder style. I will research or perhaps others can tell you other methods.

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Leandro Garcia posted:

New Updates from last days by vacation !

 

Good way to find out which cars are free rolling and ones that need wheels sets cleaned/oiling.

 

Thanks,

Sam

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It is beginning to come alive! The track testing crew was having fun!

Are you dropping track feeders as to go along or laying the track only?

Have you been able to locate foam board or do you want to use alternative methods? 

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Moonman posted:

It is beginning to come alive! The track testing crew was having fun!

Are you dropping track feeders as to go along or laying the track only?

Have you been able to locate foam board or do you want to use alternative methods? 

Carl, Thank you !

Yes! My children was having fun !

** Are you dropping track feeders as to go along or laying the track only? ** Sorry I not understand ! **

I found XPS same foam board, tonight I will put the picture here.

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

Moonman posted:

The EPS will work well. Easier than traditional methods. 

I was asking about the 2 track power wires at various points to supply the track power. Are you installing those as you lay the track?

Ahhh, Sorry ! I didn't know " track feeders" !!

No I not put wires yet, because I not screwed the track and I miss to put track-bed ! I'm testing tracks first.

I have a question the power track wires I would ask about this, because here in Brazil my friends recommended to put each 40 inch red wire/black wire and alternate black wire side. Is this correct?

I think about using two Lionel power 180W only to tracks.

Thanks!

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

Ok, I understand. This is a track fitment stage.

The wiring method suggested to you sounds ok. I like alternating the common wire to have both outside rails with common. Every 40 inches may be too many.

I use a 120 inch - 144 inch spacing between power connections.

How did you do it on the previous layout? It was operating properly before it was disassembled, yes?

How do you connect the 180 watt transformers? Did you make an adapter wire for the Molex plug or did you cut it off? I am asking because I want to be sure that you can identify the Hot (red) and the Common (black) wires of the 180 watt transformer.

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Moonman posted:

Ok, I understand. This is a track fitment stage.

The wiring method suggested to you sounds ok. I like alternating the common wire to have both outside rails with common. Every 40 inches may be too many.

I use a 120 inch - 144 inch spacing between power connections.

How did you do it on the previous layout? It was operating properly before it was disassembled, yes?

How do you connect the 180 watt transformers? Did you make an adapter wire for the Molex plug or did you cut it off? I am asking because I want to be sure that you can identify the Hot (red) and the Common (black) wires of the 180 watt transformer.

I like your suggestion 120 inch! I thought that 40 inch many too!
Do you welded all connection tracks (between tracks)?

In my previous layout was very bad ! I had only 4 track-feeders ! 

I have two Lionel Direct TMCC/Legacy (6-34120). In my previous layout I used only one.

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

Leandro Garcia posted:
Moonman posted:

Ok, I understand. This is a track fitment stage.

The wiring method suggested to you sounds ok. I like alternating the common wire to have both outside rails with common. Every 40 inches may be too many.

I use a 120 inch - 144 inch spacing between power connections.

How did you do it on the previous layout? It was operating properly before it was disassembled, yes?

How do you connect the 180 watt transformers? Did you make an adapter wire for the Molex plug or did you cut it off? I am asking because I want to be sure that you can identify the Hot (red) and the Common (black) wires of the 180 watt transformer.

I like your suggestion 120 inch! I thought that 40 inch many too!
Do you welded all connection tracks (between tracks)?

In my previous layout was very bad ! I had only 4 track-feeders ! 

I have two Lionel Direct TMCC/Legacy (6-34120). In my previous layout I used only one.

I like the "screw-it" method for Atlas track used by Ingenerio 1. A small hole is drilled in the base of the rail and the wire is inserted into the hole. It is sercured with a #1 sheet metal screw.

I can link the method to you if you wish to use it. 

Soldering to the bottom of the rail is good. The black needs to be removed from the center rail and a special flux used for the nickel-silver alloy.

let me know about the screw-it method.

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Moonman posted:
Leandro Garcia posted:
Moonman posted:

Ok, I understand. This is a track fitment stage.

The wiring method suggested to you sounds ok. I like alternating the common wire to have both outside rails with common. Every 40 inches may be too many.

I use a 120 inch - 144 inch spacing between power connections.

How did you do it on the previous layout? It was operating properly before it was disassembled, yes?

How do you connect the 180 watt transformers? Did you make an adapter wire for the Molex plug or did you cut it off? I am asking because I want to be sure that you can identify the Hot (red) and the Common (black) wires of the 180 watt transformer.

I like your suggestion 120 inch! I thought that 40 inch many too!
Do you welded all connection tracks (between tracks)?

In my previous layout was very bad ! I had only 4 track-feeders ! 

I have two Lionel Direct TMCC/Legacy (6-34120). In my previous layout I used only one.

I like the "screw-it" method for Atlas track used by Ingenerio 1. A small hole is drilled in the base of the rail and the wire is inserted into the hole. It is sercured with a #1 sheet metal screw.

I can link the method to you if you wish to use it. 

Soldering to the bottom of the rail is good. The black needs to be removed from the center rail and a special flux used for the nickel-silver alloy.

let me know about the screw-it method.

Carl,

I think interesting I remembered this post when he did !  
I no have idea if I will find this screw here ! I think I will have to import this screw the website MicroFasterners !

***special flux used for the nickel-silver ** 

Thanks,

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

Leandro Garcia posted:
Moonman posted:
Leandro Garcia posted:
Moonman posted:

Ok, I understand. This is a track fitment stage.

The wiring method suggested to you sounds ok. I like alternating the common wire to have both outside rails with common. Every 40 inches may be too many.

I use a 120 inch - 144 inch spacing between power connections.

How did you do it on the previous layout? It was operating properly before it was disassembled, yes?

How do you connect the 180 watt transformers? Did you make an adapter wire for the Molex plug or did you cut it off? I am asking because I want to be sure that you can identify the Hot (red) and the Common (black) wires of the 180 watt transformer.

I like your suggestion 120 inch! I thought that 40 inch many too!
Do you welded all connection tracks (between tracks)?

In my previous layout was very bad ! I had only 4 track-feeders ! 

I have two Lionel Direct TMCC/Legacy (6-34120). In my previous layout I used only one.

I like the "screw-it" method for Atlas track used by Ingenerio 1. A small hole is drilled in the base of the rail and the wire is inserted into the hole. It is sercured with a #1 sheet metal screw.

I can link the method to you if you wish to use it. 

Soldering to the bottom of the rail is good. The black needs to be removed from the center rail and a special flux used for the nickel-silver alloy.

let me know about the screw-it method.

Carl,

I think interesting I remembered this post when he did !  
I no have idea if I will find this screw here ! I think I will have to import this screw the website MicroFasterners !

***special flux used for the nickel-silver ** 

Thanks,

***special flux used for the nickel-silver ** 

yes, search for "flux for nickel-silver"  or "flux for silver jewelry" it is a white colored flux because of the minerals in it

The Atlas O rails are made of a nickel silver alloy - using regular flux or rosin core solder or newer flux core solder will make for a difficult time of soldering.

Carl

Arctic Railroad

Moonman posted:
Leandro Garcia posted:
Moonman posted:
Leandro Garcia posted:
Moonman posted:

Ok, I understand. This is a track fitment stage.

The wiring method suggested to you sounds ok. I like alternating the common wire to have both outside rails with common. Every 40 inches may be too many.

I use a 120 inch - 144 inch spacing between power connections.

How did you do it on the previous layout? It was operating properly before it was disassembled, yes?

How do you connect the 180 watt transformers? Did you make an adapter wire for the Molex plug or did you cut it off? I am asking because I want to be sure that you can identify the Hot (red) and the Common (black) wires of the 180 watt transformer.

I like your suggestion 120 inch! I thought that 40 inch many too!
Do you welded all connection tracks (between tracks)?

In my previous layout was very bad ! I had only 4 track-feeders ! 

I have two Lionel Direct TMCC/Legacy (6-34120). In my previous layout I used only one.

I like the "screw-it" method for Atlas track used by Ingenerio 1. A small hole is drilled in the base of the rail and the wire is inserted into the hole. It is sercured with a #1 sheet metal screw.

I can link the method to you if you wish to use it. 

Soldering to the bottom of the rail is good. The black needs to be removed from the center rail and a special flux used for the nickel-silver alloy.

let me know about the screw-it method.

Carl,

I think interesting I remembered this post when he did !  
I no have idea if I will find this screw here ! I think I will have to import this screw the website MicroFasterners !

***special flux used for the nickel-silver ** 

Thanks,

***special flux used for the nickel-silver ** 

yes, search for "flux for nickel-silver"  or "flux for silver jewelry" it is a white colored flux because of the minerals in it

The Atlas O rails are made of a nickel silver alloy - using regular flux or rosin core solder or newer flux core solder will make for a difficult time of soldering.

Carl,

I really not know to do this ! I must use the flux in track and after I weld with soldering tin normally? It's that? 

I think that option screw is better ! But my problem will be to find the screw in Brazil!

Thanks,

Leandro Garcia

Enzo Ville

Brazil - São Paulo

 

 

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