Maybe if they did the camo in blues and greys...the way it is now seems out of place
Dominic Mazoch posted:Support our troops.
Somehow it seems those in the Navy get left out of the statement.
The "gray" is representative of USN "Battleship Gray", according to UP's explanation.
Maybe instead of the camo, a dark background with the seals of the services might be better.
Of have 1943 be the AF unit, and then one each for the other three?
But I have to give UP credit for just doing 1943.
Eddie Marra posted:I love it! And a quick check of the UP website says that the colors are selected to represent all the services: AF Grey, Coast Guard stripes, Navy Grey, camo.
I didn't know that. Makes way more sense now. I'd thought it was a USAF marked unit before knowing this.
Hot Water posted:Well, the bottom line is, we ALL should give the Union Pacific management a big ATT-A-BOY for doing this, and supporting all our military branches. I, for one, appreciate it!
I agree with you 100%! No matter what they do it is a whole lot more than what CSX or NS has done recently. I commend UP for keeping up this program as it is costly for sure. Somehow the general public should be made aware of their ongoing tributes to our military. I salute them for it.
645 posted:Allegheny posted:No matter what they do it is a whole lot more than what CSX or NS has done recently.Uh - are you are aware that NS has had a Veterans Unit since April 2014? So UP is actually over three years later in following NS with a military tribute unit...
As for CSXT give them a little time, I'm sure they'll come up with a little sticker to slap on one unit to honor the service...
I apologize as I wasn't aware of this unit. Thanks for the heads up!
You can even watch it being painted...
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Hot Water posted:ecd15 posted:Where was it displayed? It appears to be surrounded by BNSF units.
San Antonio, Texas, which is, and has been, a MAJOR U. S. Air Force town.
OK, my question was poorly worded. What yard, engine facility, public location in San Antonio was used to display the locomotive?
Also from the UP website:
Salute to the Military Tour
San Antonio, Texas
- October 19, 2017
- Sunset Station, 1174 E Commerce St.
- On Display: 1:30 p.m. - 2:30 p.m.
New Orleans, La.
- October 21-22, 2017
- On Display: Audubon Park, 6500 Magazine St
- Train Arrives: 11:10 a.m. Saturday
- Train Departs: 4:00 p.m. Sunday
North Little Rock, Ark.
- October 24, 2017
- Union Pacific Office, 1000 W. 4th St.
- Public Event: 10:00 a.m.
- Display: 10:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Van Buren, Ark.
- October 25, 2017
- Union Pacific Depot, 620 S. 13th St.
- Public Event: 10:00 a.m.
- Display: 10:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Fort Riley, Kan.
- November 6, 2017
- Public Event: 10:00 a.m.
- Display: 10:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Omaha, Neb.
- November 10, 2017
- Durham Museum, 801 S. 10th St.
- Train Arrives: 11:15 a.m.
- Public Event: 11:30 a.m. (inside museum, admission required)
- On Display Until 6:00 p.m.
Cheyenne, Wyo.
- November 13, 2017
- Cheyenne Depot Museum, 121 W. 15th St.
- Public Event: 10:30 a.m. - 11:00 a.m.
- On Display: 11:00 a.m. - Noon
645 posted:And there was a concept for a NS "Hometown Heroes" 911 unit too in 2014 - can see the details in this thread including a graphic of the proposed paint scheme:
http://forums.railpictures.net/showthread.php?t=17251
Would make an interesting "semi-fantasy" paint scheme for Lionel and/or MTH to do someday for those who are into these specially painted locomotives on their O-gauge layouts...
A revised version of the Hometown Hero’s engine was released in 2016. NS 911, along with 5642 which hauls the NS safety train. Both Lionel and MTH made this, along with 6920 and the other NS SD60es.
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Thanks for the picture posted by ECD15 that explains a lot about this theme. I think the design is second to the Bush commerative that UP did.
Marty
But it's a dee-sel *said in whiny tone*......if it is celebrating 1943, it should be a steam engine.......(I couldn't resist) *lol*.
For the NS people saying their tribute was first is wrong. UP Desert Storm Camo SD40-2 was the first. Either way glad they are supporting Veterans.
UPDATE: October 21, 2017 from UP website.
The Moniker
A Boeing B-17 was christened the Spirit of the Union Pacific in 1943, recognizing employees who funded it through war bond contributions. The Spirit of the Union Pacific was assigned to the 571st Bomber Squadron and shot down on its fifth mission during a raid on enemy installations in Munster, Germany.
Honoring the Armed Forces
Every detail in The Spirit’s trade dress incorporates a piece of each U.S. armed forces branch.
The Spirit’s front is symbolic of Air Force Silver, and the blue stripe is a reflection of the former Strategic Air Command’s “nose sash.” The lettering inside the sash is the original handdrawn font used on the B-17. It is followed by the Coast Guard’s “Racing Stripe” and the Navy’s Battleship Gray, which frames Union Pacific’s traditional American flag. The military camouflage is a nod to the Army and Marines.
As the train passes by, the final message on the tail is dedicated to U.S. prisoners of war and those missing in action, featuring the POW/MIA symbol and its motto, You Are Not Forgotten.
Salute to the Military Tour
San Antonio, Texas
- October 19, 2017
- Sunset Station, 1174 E Commerce St.
- On Display: 1:30 p.m. - 2:30 p.m.
New Orleans, La.
- October 21-22, 2017
- On Display: Audubon Park, 6500 Magazine St
- Train Arrives: 11:10 a.m. Saturday
- Train Departs: 4:00 p.m. Sunday
North Little Rock, Ark.
- October 24, 2017
- Union Pacific Office, 1000 W. 4th St.
- Public Event: 10:00 a.m.
- Display: 10:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Van Buren, Ark.
- October 25, 2017
- Union Pacific Depot, 620 S. 13th St.
- Public Event: 10:00 a.m.
- Display: 10:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Fort Riley, Kan.
- November 6, 2017
- Public Event: 10:00 a.m.
- Display: 10:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Omaha, Neb.
- November 10, 2017
- Durham Museum, 801 S. 10th St.
- Train Arrives: 11:15 a.m.
- Public Event: 11:30 a.m. (inside museum, admission required)
- On Display Until 6:00 p.m.
Cheyenne, Wyo.
- November 13, 2017
- Cheyenne Depot Museum, 121 W. 15th St.
- Public Event: 10:30 a.m. - 11:00 a.m.
- On Display: 11:00 a.m. - Noon
Details for additional dates and locations still to come.
A great tribute as we approach Veteran's Day 2017.
Walter Matuch
I don't know which of the big Two will make it buy if not to out of sight price wise I will buy one.
LIONEL and MTH can both produce an interpretation of UP 1943.
They have to add the UP 1943 to the production of diesels right now so that they will available in 6 months.
Andrew
If the previous offerings from each company are any indication, the Lionel version will more accurate with fewer compromises but I'll silently die a little inside by purchasing the MTH version solely because it'll be offered in 2 rail.
UPDATE: October 22, 2017
UP 1943 is 'on the road.
UP's latest commemorative unit, SD70ACe 1943 didn't hang around San Antonio much after its
official unveiling this afternoon. It was put on a short passenger special, SSAAV-19, which
departed San Antonio just after 5:00 PM.
I was able to catch a shot of it just before 10:00 PM at Dyersdale, on the far east side of Houston,
shortly after a fresh crew got on board to take the train to Livonia, LA.
Photo by Robert Pierce and info from TO website.
Walter Matuch
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What a beauty!
Cant wait till MTH makes a 2 rail version.
I like it. However, if it's to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Air Force the number should be 1947. And, since it's to honor the Air Force, paint it accordingly and lose the paint references to the other services!
Tom Blevins posted:I like it. However, if it's to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Air Force the number should be 1947.
Apparently you did NOT read any of the explanations from the UP as to WHY it is numbered 1943, plus the various colors! In 1943, there was a USAAF B17 lettered for "The Spirt of the Union Pacific", thus the 1943 road number has NOTHING to do with the 70th anniversary of the Air Force.
And, since it's to honor the Air Force, paint it accordingly and lose the paint references to the other services!
Again, you need to read the full explanation behind the styling and purpose for this locomotive!
NotInWI posted:Maybe the color choice in camouflage is meant to represent a wide timespan of military service. I could be wrong, have been before, will be again, but I don’t think the POW/MIA flag was around during WWII was it? It’s commonly associated with the Vietnam War. I think maybe UP was trying to cast a wide historical net with their attempt to pay tribute to the service members.
Ben
Well since this is all coming to a head for Vertera ‘s Day, it appears they have tried to incorporate all three military services into the loco paint scheme. The font third is in air force colors with nose art like that on the B17, the middle is grey scheme used by the US Navy and the last 1/3 is dedicated to the US Army. I think they did a fantastic job in honoring our military veterans.
In keeping with the military theme, it reminds me of the opening scene in the movie Full Metal Jacket where the drill sargeant is yelling at the big bodied recruit, ' you're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece'.
Railfan Brody posted:
Next, I'm predicting a #VegasStrong paint scheme.
One of the more asinine comments I've seen posted here.
Railfan Brody posted:Surefire posted:Railfan Brody posted:
Next, I'm predicting a #VegasStrong paint scheme.
One of the more asinine comments I've seen posted here.
What makes you say that? I'm being serious.
Serious? OK.
Thinking prior to posting? NOT!!!!
Hot Water posted:Railfan Brody posted:Surefire posted:Railfan Brody posted:
Next, I'm predicting a #VegasStrong paint scheme.
One of the more asinine comments I've seen posted here.
What makes you say that? I'm being serious.
Serious? OK.
Thinking prior to posting? NOT!!!!
I apologize.
I visited Las Vegas last week and saw that every hotel was honoring the victims of the October 1 shooting. I thought it would be great if UP did the same by painting a special locomotive to honor the victims. I'm sorry if my original reply sent out the wrong message.
Railfan Brody posted:Hot Water posted:Railfan Brody posted:Surefire posted:Railfan Brody posted:
Next, I'm predicting a #VegasStrong paint scheme.
One of the more asinine comments I've seen posted here.
What makes you say that? I'm being serious.
Serious? OK.
Thinking prior to posting? NOT!!!!
I apologize.
I visited Las Vegas last week and saw that every hotel was honoring the victims of the October 1 shooting. I thought it would be great if UP did the same by painting a special locomotive to honor the victims. I'm sorry if my original reply sent out the wrong message.
Honoring the victims at the site is one thing. However, painting up a "special diesel" to tour the entire UP system, would only serve to recognize the nut-case shooter, in my opinion.
Hot Water posted:Railfan Brody posted:Hot Water posted:Railfan Brody posted:Surefire posted:Railfan Brody posted:
Next, I'm predicting a #VegasStrong paint scheme.
One of the more asinine comments I've seen posted here.
What makes you say that? I'm being serious.
Serious? OK.
Thinking prior to posting? NOT!!!!
I apologize.
I visited Las Vegas last week and saw that every hotel was honoring the victims of the October 1 shooting. I thought it would be great if UP did the same by painting a special locomotive to honor the victims. I'm sorry if my original reply sent out the wrong message.
Honoring the victims at the site is one thing. However, painting up a "special diesel" to tour the entire UP system, would only serve to recognize the nut-case shooter, in my opinion.
That is a good point. My idea is to just base the locomotive out of Las Vegas, but that would be a pain for UP to have to take it out of the consist after it leaves Vegas and arrives at the next yard.
Hot Water posted:Well, the bottom line is, we ALL should give the Union Pacific management a big ATT-A-BOY for doing this, and supporting all our military branches. I, for one, appreciate it!
That is very true!
Did the BN paint a SD60M PULLING FOR OUR TROOPS? Pre merger, this was for Desert Storm?
Mill City posted:Love the tribute, but agree with the first 2/3rds assessment. I'm not certain what camouflage has to do with the USAF. That aside, esthetically, the final third is just too many notes.
As I recall, during WW2, the "Air Force" was the US Army Air Corp (P51, please correct me if I'm wrong). The camo might be a reference to the Army heritage of the Air Force. I can live with the paint scheme. MTH, I want one with scale wheels and fixed pilots.
AGHRMatt posted:Mill City posted:Love the tribute, but agree with the first 2/3rds assessment. I'm not certain what camouflage has to do with the USAF. That aside, esthetically, the final third is just too many notes.
As I recall, during WW2, the "Air Force" was the US Army Air Corp (P51, please correct me if I'm wrong). The camo might be a reference to the Army heritage of the Air Force. I can live with the paint scheme. MTH, I want one with scale wheels and fixed pilots.
You, and everyone else interested in the reason behind the styling & colors, should visit the Union Pacific website for this unit, as the complete explanation is there.
Athearn and MTH have officially announced production runs of this paint scheme on the SD70ACe scale models.
Andrew
