A pair of Commodore Vanderbilts getting Pittmanized; Tales From Harmon Shops

Looking good so far. Reminds me of the old Double Mint Gum commercial....

Hmm. Ring, ring, ring! Pat, I'll have to send mine to you at some point. I'll be sure to contact you sometime this month(later) I suppose. I still need to send my first Mohawk over to Alex for work. I think I'll contact him this week on that if I can stop yawning. That's what happens when pollen gets all in your eyes from mowing way too much lawn, lol.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Hmm. Ring, ring, ring! Pat, I'll have to send mine to you at some point. I'll be sure to contact you sometime this month(later) I suppose. I still need to send my first Mohawk over to Alex for work. I think I'll contact him this week on that if I can stop yawning. That's what happens when pollen gets all in your eyes from mowing way too much lawn, lol.

Which Mohawk are you upgrading Dave?....if it’s one of the old Pulmor jobbers, I can pop the large Pittman in it, then you could send it to Alex for all the electronics if he’s game for that,.....then he could do some real nice ERR upgrades ....the one thing I really strive for is serviceability, so taking it apart and upgrading it is as simple as stock,...

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

Which Mohawk are you upgrading Dave?....if it’s one of the old Pulmor jobbers, I can pop the large Pittman in it, then you could send it to Alex for all the electronics if he’s game for that,.....then he could do some real nice ERR upgrades ....the one thing I really strive for is serviceability, so taking it apart and upgrading it is as simple as stock,...

Pat

Old 18009. He already worked on the other one, which I always fudge the number, 3005.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Old 18009. He already worked on the other one, which I always fudge the number, 3005.

3005 is 18064, that’s the factory equipped TMCC with Pulmor........18009 is cab number 3000, that’s the old school mechanical e unit conventional only model,...18064 came with a set of smoke deflectors, 18009 did not,.......either way, I’d be humbled to work with one of the masters like Alex,....I’m sure you’ve seen the dozens of Mohawks, T1’s & CSS’s I’ve done here on the forum,......truth be told, I like doing the fabrication work the best anyways,....😁......the electronics isn’t my favorite thing to do,.....don’t get me wrong, I can do it,....it’s just not as enjoyable as cutting a frame in two!...😉

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

3005 is 18064, that’s the factory equipped TMCC with Pulmor........18009 is cab number 3000, that’s the old school mechanical e unit conventional only model,...18064 came with a set of smoke deflectors, 18009 did not,.......either way, I’d be humbled to work with one of the masters like Alex,....I’m sure you’ve seen the dozens of Mohawks, T1’s & CSS’s I’ve done here on the forum,......truth be told, I like doing the fabrication work the best anyways,....😁......the electronics isn’t my favorite thing to do,.....don’t get me wrong, I can do it,....it’s just not as enjoyable as cutting a frame in two!...😉

Pat

I prefer writing than getting dirty, can't stand grease or oil. I said to a coworker the other day, if I had a choice, I choose oil over grease. My work skills are great, but electronics, that was my dad's skill. He knew how to do some things with TV's, transistors and stuff like that. Would have been interesting to see what he could have done with other things like computers, but he was taken too soon. Soldering I haven't even tried. I know GRJ had told me it's easy, but you're talking to a guy who can't cut straight.

Yeah, 18064, yup, that engine got some good running early, but something went in the electronics which is why I sent it to Alex for the upgrade. Initially I was going to send 18009 since the coupler was broken, and I really enjoyed it a lot(first scale engine you know), but decided since 18064 would be an easier upgrade, I went that way. I was going to send 18009 in 18064's box since it would be easier to ship.

Hey guys just saw this ,

Thank you both for the  kind words. Pat it would be an honor to work on an engine you put your hands on. I’m always willing to team up with you and the others on this forum such as , Mike Reagan , Pete (Norton) , GRJ, just to name a few. There’s many others too !

Thanks, Alex

@Alex M posted:

Hey guys just saw this ,

Thank you both for the  kind words. Pat it would be an honor to work on an engine you put your hands on. I’m always willing to team up with you and the others on this forum such as , Mike Reagan , Pete (Norton) , GRJ, just to name a few. There’s many others too !

Thanks, Alex

I’m sure we’ll be doing something together at some point Alex!...that’s what makes this forum great!...as I’ve said before, you, Pete, George, John & many others push me to do better & better work.....the satisfaction of a job well done is the juice!...

Pat

@Alex M posted:

Hey guys just saw this ,

Thank you both for the  kind words. Pat it would be an honor to work on an engine you put your hands on. I’m always willing to team up with you and the others on this forum such as , Mike Reagan , Pete (Norton) , GRJ, just to name a few. There’s many others too !

Thanks, Alex

@harmonyards posted:

I’m sure we’ll be doing something together at some point Alex!...that’s what makes this forum great!...as I’ve said before, you, Pete, George, John & many others push me to do better & better work.....the satisfaction of a job well done is the juice!...

Pat

Just watching what work you and others do brings miles of smiles to my face. I would not have any patience for doing any of the grimy bits of work that you both toil at so hard. I once built a wooden table in high school and the teacher was irritated with me because I took several months, that was because I wanted it just right. The surface was smooth as glass. I haven't done any furniture building in some time, but you can see what a pain I would be.

Is fitting the Pittman any harder than on the standard NYC Hudson? I thought @Norton had some issues fitting a 9433 in his CV.

Pat is the only one who can answer this as I have only done a CV. I had not seen Pat’s builds before I did mine so I mounted the motor slightly differently than he does but it ends up in nearly the same location. The problem isn’t in mounting the motor but the location of the rear screw mounts for the shell. The original shells mounts hit the sides of the motor. I had to machine those off and epoxy new ones forward of the old ones.

No doubt master builder Pat will have a more elegant solution than I came up with.

Pete

Pat,  am I still in the 'Que' for my 763e (6-18056)?

@Norton posted:

Pat is the only one who can answer this as I have only done a CV. I had not seen Pat’s builds before I did mine so I mounted the motor slightly differently than he does but it ends up in nearly the same location. The problem isn’t in mounting the motor but the location of the rear screw mounts for the shell. The original shells mounts hit the sides of the motor. I had to machine those off and epoxy new ones forward of the old ones.

No doubt master builder Pat will have a more elegant solution than I came up with.

Pete

Did Lionel move the rear shell mounts between the standard NYC Hudson and the CV? If not the way Pat modifies the chassis might make the difference in needing to modify the shell mount vs. not having to.

@Lou1985 posted:

Is fitting the Pittman any harder than on the standard NYC Hudson? I thought @Norton had some issues fitting a 9433 in his CV.

@Lou1985 posted:

Did Lionel move the rear shell mounts between the standard NYC Hudson and the CV? If not the way Pat modifies the chassis might make the difference in needing to modify the shell mount vs. not having to.

There’s a “ sweet spot” between the rear posts and the back head for the 9433 to live on these CV’s ....I do have to mill down the insides of the standoffs just a wee bit, but there’s plenty of material there to support life....also there’s a defined lip on the shell, and if you notice, I’ve got the Pittman mounted ever so slightly higher than normal Hudson swaps.....this allows the motor to kinda scoop into where she’s gonna live .......pics of that coming soon, hopefully before the end of the week,....if I can catch a breath,....😬

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

There’s a “ sweet spot” between the rear posts and the back head for the 9433 to live on these CV’s ....I do have to mill down the insides of the standoffs just a wee bit, but there’s plenty of material there to support life....also there’s a defined lip on the shell, and if you notice, I’ve got the Pittman mounted ever so slightly higher than normal Hudson swaps.....this allows the motor to kinda scoop into where she’s gonna live .......pics of that coming soon, hopefully before the end of the week,....if I can catch a breath,....😬

Pat

So the chassis are the same between the standard NYC Hudson and the CV, it's the shell difference that causes the issue.

Yep,...and you have questions, we have answers,....here’s Mike’s CV with the Pittman attached to the frame, nestled down in the shell, with all 3 stock mounting points secured. ....note the rear bearing cap kinda protrudes into the back head area, but is not touching,....there’s still a wee bit of room for fire box flicker if one so decides,....the rear mounting pockets only have the outer most mouth portion trimmed away, and the bolt hole is still plenty intact. This set up retains all stock mounting points,....looks as if they planned for us to put a Pittman in there at some point,....no??.....fits like a glove, easily serviced if need be,....note also, stock alignment pins for ash pan,...all that’s needed is relocation of the mounting fastener,.....😁

Pat

@Dennis-LaRock posted:

Pat,  am I still in the 'Que' for my 763e (6-18056)?

I’m just waiting on the little brown truck to drop off your little brown box,...😉

Pat

I see the difference Pat. I used a 9434. The extra length is what required moving the mounts.

Pete

@Norton posted:

I see the difference Pat. I used a 9434. The extra length is what required moving the mounts.

Pete

Yep, I remember that build, ....you had to shoe horn that big block in there,....I’m surprised vasoline wasn’t applied to the sides to get that monster in there!...that was an impressive execution buddy,.....I look like amateur hour when you break out the big guns,...😉

Pat