Purchased my first 2 Williams locos (and first 2 diesels to boot!) and, gotta say, these are great little engines. No frills, no spills ... just rock solid conventional pullers that run for days. Had set my hopes ... well, not low exactly, but not asking for the world. They exceeded my expectations with room to spare. All that, at an appealing price point.

Don't get me wrong: I love my MTH PS3s (with upcoming WIU control) and LC+ Lionels, and I'm champing at the bit for this year's delivery of Lionel's LC2.0+ Berkshire and GG1. I am simply impressed with how Williams works "within their lane" and delivered a great product.

- The Other Guy

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I am also a big Williams fan. I especially like the earlier Williams with just a horn or whistle. These locos are as good as postwar Lionel in my opinion.

My Williams scale Hudson easily out pulls the MTH scale Hudson.  The difference seems to be traction tires on both the front and rear drivers.  Why can’t other manufacturers add more traction tires to increase pulling power?  Sure, the MTH Hudson looks nicer side by side but that advantage diminishes once the trains are operating with the swiftness of the real Hudsons and the MTH locomotive starts struggling with 6 or 7 heavyweights.  The same load does not even slow the Williams Hudson.

I have many Williams engines and are my favorite during our club shows BUT  good luck finding parts when they break.  Biggest problem I see on the diesels is the receiver gear in the truck strips  Happened on three different engines   No parts available   Wound up buying junkers for parts to scrounge up parts   They have a persistent zinc pest problem with their truck sideframes too

I have several Williams diesels. They are well detailed and run nice and smooth. Solid conventional engines for sure. I re-wire mine in series to give them even better low speed performance. They do jump when my KW hits 6V without rewiring.

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I have about 12 Williams engines, going back maybe 20 years.  Have never had a problem with any of them.  The Berkshire steamer is awesome.  If you can find one, buy it.  Now, I am looking for a Williams Santa Fe Blue Goose. 

The Williams stuff is fine on the used market, but the new prices are a bit out of reach, they're priced like other maker's command locomotives.

My original Williams ( before Bachman bought the Williams company ) are fantastic locomotives!  Scale GG-1, scale brass 4-6 -0 camelback, are both wonderful pullers and utmost reliable.  The WbB brand are good too, but are a notch under the original Williams brand IMHO.  

Don't let the MSRP on new Williams locomotives discourage you.  There are many dealers selling them at about 50% off, making them a good value for conventional locomotives.

For many of my conversions of factory version engines to new wireless systems for test purposes, I have used Williams. They are well laid out, easy to work with and run smoothly after the conversions. When you are trying something new out, it's nice to have a solid framework on which to base your results.

 

My Williams scale Hudson easily out pulls the MTH scale Hudson.  The difference seems to be traction tires on both the front and rear drivers.  Why can’t other manufacturers add more traction tires to increase pulling power?  Sure, the MTH Hudson looks nicer side by side but that advantage diminishes once the trains are operating with the swiftness of the real Hudsons and the MTH locomotive starts struggling with 6 or 7 heavyweights.  The same load does not even slow the Williams Hudson.

Traction tires! Not a selling point here. Bleh! But, to each his own.

@Sigwally posted:

VERY happy with my Williams E44 and scale GG1...

I thought that the Williams electric is an E33:

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An E44 (Locomotive Workshop w/ CLW drive):

E44 PRR 2-rail-01

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I have  Williams U33C and a Williams by Bachmann BL2 great engines. I put Electric Railroad boards in both of them and a Mars affect light in the BL2. Conventional they ran great. I like them better with the ERR boards.

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I thought that the Williams electric is an E33:

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An E44 (Locomotive Workshop w/ CLW drive):

E44 PRR 2-rail-01

 

Well, technically you are correct. But I really love the E44s (and it IS my railroad) So if I squint real hard it's an E44 to me...

My Williams Scale Hudson literally runs circles around my MTH Scale Hudson proving that the beauty of the K-Line and MTH Scale Hudsons, without the extra set of traction tires, is only skin deep.

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If conventional is your preference as it is mine, you can't go wrong with Williams engines. IMO, they look good , are moderately priced, are strong pullers and offer rock solid reliability. I own four Williams engines and all perform 100% all the time.  Like Timex they take a licking and keep on ticking.

Concur with all of the above. Williams locos are pretty much bullet proof.

As somebody mentioned, do the "rewiring trick" to make them run even better, i.e., from jack rabbits to smoother and slower operation.

I believe the "rewiring trick" is wiring the motors in series rather than parallel as they come from the factory.  I asked my friend, an MTH Tech to do this to my WBB BL2; he said it ran so slow after rewiring he put it back the way it was.  Is there a "trick to the trick"?

During a substantial number of my conversions of conventional locos to wireless R/C, because of the limited current capability of many of the control modules, I wired the two can motors in series. This results in a speed reduction, but I have never found it to be excessive or unusable.

Thanks, Bob.  Maybe I’ll have my friend try it again.  What seemed to slow to him might be fine with me.  In the meantime, I’ll slow my BL2 down the traditional way, with a heavy train.

Williams engines, not my thing, I get bored without all the bells, whistles and smoke but I am glad you guys are happy.

JohnB

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Williams engines, not my thing, I get bored without all the bells, whistles and smoke but I am glad you guys are happy.

JohnB

There's always ERR to add TMCC ( bells and whistle and command ) 

I like them, as I run both command and conventional. To me there a good running reliably engine.  The only thing I didn't like about them was the preset horn/whistle sequence. You had no control over it, it was set up for a crossing. The real older ones didn't have that, nor does the newer ones from what I understand. Also the real older ones, some have what they called sound, it would give a your clears to go and the engines would respond, ( this was in some models as a added feature, the rest just had horn I believe. 

I have two Williams steam engines, one brass, one die cast ( southern ) I have power and dummy Virginian FM's, I have 4 Scale GG1's one with the sound system I mentioned above. I forgot to mention it had motor sounds and revs also.

I do not currently own any WBB locomotives.  However, when at York last October the semi-scale Pacifics caught my eye. They are wonderfully detailed locomotives!  However, I run MTH DCS.  Is it possible / practical to upgrade one of these locos to MTH PS3?

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