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Here’s a few quick phone shots of my latest engine project, one that seemed to drag on for a long time, mostly due to it showing up in the beginning of the summer. I worked on it here and there since May and the final holdup was waiting on parts to swap out the sounds (Lionel 3751 sounds and a 50mm Fat Boy).

Here it is testing out my rather crude TT extensions. I hope to finish the final vids this weekend and hopefully snag some better shots. If you poke around the internet you will actually find the 5022 hanging it’s butt off the end of the TT in Columbus in 1956. I was pretty stoked to find this cab number!

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@BillYo414 posted:

That turntable extension is a cool detail! I didn't know that was a thing.

I know for a fact (photographic documentation) that both the UP and the PRR had to use those "extensions" at the tender for those locomotives longer than the turntable.

Beautiful engine though! Seeing an engine done up like that makes me want to start weathering all my fleet.

That is part of what 3RS modeling is all about! Norm does it better than most.

Here’s a couple more shots of 5022 living out its last days hauling coal for PRR:

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Here’s my crude TT extensions. They only had to look semi-OK and be functional. The real ones looked to be made of a couple sections of rail, or maybe they bent them somehow as they seem to have a bit of a compound angle. I dunno.

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This engine was quite a bit different from most of my 3rd Rail projects. One nasty little surprise it had for me right at the bitter end was the insulation of the center blind driver tires from the wheels. It threw me for a loop. Cleaning the overspray from my weathering on the outer driver sets improved things very much.

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I basically ground some Atlas rails on my belt sander and soldered some chunks of brass channel to the bottom of them to clamp the rail head. It took a few tries. Not the most elegant things but they worked. The piece of rod wasn’t really necessary after I got the clamps figured out. The trick was to keep them from sliding off the rail or tipping as the tender backed onto them.

Norm, watching the first video of the engine popping on the TT is excellent. When I first saw this post I didn't see that there was a video at the bottom and I was trying to figure out what exactly I was looking at.

After seeing what Hot Water said about who used it and watching the video it just makes sense. Flawless job on this and extremely cool.

@Hot Water, how did the railroad pop the extensions onto the turntables? Did they weld them on?

Norm, watching the first video of the engine popping on the TT is excellent. When I first saw this post I didn't see that there was a video at the bottom and I was trying to figure out what exactly I was looking at.

After seeing what Hot Water said about who used it and watching the video it just makes sense. Flawless job on this and extremely cool.

@Hot Water, how did the railroad pop the extensions onto the turntables? Did they weld them on?

No, they could not be welded on, as then no other locomotives would be able to effectively use the turntable. They had to be portable, and only used when required. At the UP North Platte, Neb roundhouse, the turntable extensions were only needed when a 4000 class 4-8-8-4 locomotive ventured east from Cheyenne, Wy. (I think the extension components were kept inside, on a cart of some sort, and then rolled out to the turntable when needed). Sometimes a fork-lift was used, otherwise they were just man-handled by a bunch of men.

Jack:  would there have been a need to keep the water and, possibly the coal load, reduced so as not to break the extensions?

According to what I have been told by the "old heads", both the water and oil (coal in the case of the UP 4000s) were kept to a minimum. Thus, the locomotive was turned prior to servicing.

Or were they so robust that the weight of the coal and water didn't matter?

No, they were not THAT robust.

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Fabulous stuff as always--I love the atlas H21 hopper cars--they are the nicest freight cars ever produced in 3rail in my opinion--nothing like having a string of them--I especially like the coal goes to war ones

I found a set of brand new shadow keystones lurking under the layout and thought it would be a good time to set them up with Kadees and some weathering. I also got a 3 car set of the Berwind hoppers recently and got them ready to roll. Will be on the lookout for more..

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I whacked together a TMCC doubleheader with my Lionel J just to see if I could. I’d prefer to use the 3rd Rail J but for some dumb reason I put a 746 on it. The Lionel has an 805 and it could grab the cosmetic non-operating pilot coupler on the 5022. I may play around with it some more.

Interesting that the RS5 ATSF 3751 sounds have a sort of cadence to the chuff at some speeds.

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Thanks you guys. I was supposed to finish the part 4 vid showing the final efforts but haven't gotten around to it. I picked up Herron's Pennsylvania Glory Volume 2 at York which has a bit of footage of the 5011 Class engines on the Sandusky Branch. I also referenced PRRT&HS' Keystone autumn 1999 issue and Jeff Ainsworth's Santa Fe Steam Series Volume 5. There was quite a bit of info out there on this rather unique happening.

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