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And lastly . I have been filling in the aisle with removable scenery boards here is the latest board this entire aisle can be removed in minutes if needed. The three boards with the electrical towers on them can all be removed.

Nothing is finished yet I intend to build a power substation on one of the boards.

Roo. 

 

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Beyond wonderful, ROO, and I know what I am seeing there, having lived the 40's - 60's in my hometown Pittsburgh area. In fact, I worked as a common laborer at National Tube, McKeesport, PA, for one very hot summer, earning extra money, as a teenager, for college. It was so hot that, even though we were young and strong, we had to work for 15min and then sit for 15min, etc. If we did not rest every other quarter hour like that, we were fired (no pun intended) for endangering ourselves in such hot conditions.

I love your creativity, there, and especially appreciate your realistically stressing the profound presence of long lines of trains within the precincts of such a mill.DSC01115

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Thank you all.

Frank. That is a great photo of the ingot being lifted out of the soaking pit I would have dearly loved to have had the space to fully detail inside my buildings but with O scale in the room I have it's just impossible.

Here is another photo from yesterday. It's a quiet time at Waterside yard, this yard is the interchange yard for the Mill. All the trains for the mill go through this yard usually it is jammed with cars of all descriptions the Lackawanna loco moving a Mill Gondola of furnace scrap must be on loan to the mill this job is usually handled by the Blue (one shown in the photo with a low clearance roof) Republic Steel Switchers. Of course Big John might have grabbed the nearest loco to do this job maybe! A slab train has just pulled a cut of flats out of the Blooming Mill this train will then move forward to the tracks on the left and make it's way to the Rolling Mill where the slabs will be converted into Coils of steel for a customer.  Roo.

 

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Joe: the towers are glued to the boards the first board is all we remove on operating days if I need to get to a derailment (which is rare) I just slide the others along and leave them on the runners. (See pictures)

Hokie 71: No I have never worked in the Steel Industry I do buy endless books for research.

Thanks. Roo.

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Bill Chaplik posted:

Looks like you're having a blast.

In more ways than one!!

Thanks everyone I will post some photos of the progress. The "foundry" is supposed to be a pipe factory as well as a foundry gives me an excuse to run some Bulkhead flats, Hot metal cars, depressed centre flats, lots of action, looking forward to finishing this section have to take it easy today my back is playing up after leaning for hours over the layout yesterday. Take care and watch your back! Roo.

 

Despite a sore back I'm happy with the progress so far.

I am making a sign for the building at the moment. the workshop is bashed from a Heljan kit will eventually have a fully detailed interior in fact if you lift the building up there are a pile of detail items inside waiting, good place to store them. The floor is not glued down so I can detail the interior of the workshop at the bench. 

Because we operate the layout every week and enjoy switching there is not a lot of room for details like pipes and castings sitting in the yards the tracks come first the scenery second. The crane needs some streaks of rust and dirt on it along with everything else ! Roo.  

 

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Well...It's summertime, it's painting time, so I go down to my favourite hobby shop to buy a dozen cans of rattle gun paint only to find it's closing down!

Sad he was only 15 minutes away no train stuff but plenty of paint I suppose it's the same the world over the internet is killing off the trad shop. Roo.

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mike g. posted:

ROO, Frank is right, you cant get more real than that! Wonderful work!

Mike, You are one of the more delightful voices on this forum that I always make a point of reading. So, when I see that we are in agreement about another hobbyist's work, that is a bonus, as far as I am concerned. You seem like a really good guy, so I am glad to have been in your company here.

FrankM

Moonson posted:
mike g. posted:

ROO, Frank is right, you cant get more real than that! Wonderful work!

Mike, You are one of the more delightful voices on this forum that I always make a point of reading. So, when I see that we are in agreement about another hobbyist's work, that is a bonus, as far as I am concerned. You seem like a really good guy, so I am glad to have been in your company here.

FrankM

Thanks Frank, I try to be positive as this is spose to be fun! Plus there is so many great people here with such great skills! The best part is the sharing of thoughts and ideas! It really means a lot to me getting this comment from you!

Moonson posted:

ROO, about the "Publicity shot" : When I have to lean forward and squint to get a closer look at the scene (above) to determine if it's great modeling or real-life.... Wow. And WOW again... that's great modeling!!!!!!!!!

FrankM

mike g. posted:

ROO, Frank is right, you cant get more real than that! Wonderful work!

Thanks Frank. I've looked into your history and you are a great modeller yourself so coming from you that is a compliment that I appreciate.

Now Mike I notice you were in Artillery corp. In 1970 when I was based at the Australian task force at Nui Dat (small hill) the Americans had a couple of big guns in the centre and every second or third night they would fire a couple of rounds 10 miles into Nth Vietnam. You would be in your hoochie asleep and all of a sudden Boom! are we under attack? No it's just those crazy yanks firing their big guns.

The guns had a type of bulldozer blade on the rear dug into the dirt to absorb the recoil and were on tracks.  Roo. 

 

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Thanks MELGAR.

Here are a couple of photos I snapped yesterday two shows Erie 435 switching Valley Pipe the third shows the other end of this district on a very quiet day. Next week we are installing a new Control Panel for this district which has a number of new industries plus a passenger station with a single team track. Most of the industries here are connected with the Steel Mill in some way like Valley Pipe and Forge receives among other trains Hot Metal trains there is also a Slag reclamation plant and a scrap yard that delivers scrap to the Basic Oxygen Furnace (BOF) the interchange yard has only three tracks (no room for more!) enough for the trains. There is a Locomotive that is rostered here permanently just for switching and making up trains. Roo.

 

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Roo posted:

Publicity shot for Valley Pipe and Forge. Roo.

More fantastic work!

Roo posted
Now Mike I notice you were in Artillery corp. In 1970 when I was based at the Australian task force at Nui Dat (small hill) the Americans had a couple of big guns in the centre and every second or third night they would fire a couple of rounds 10 miles into Nth Vietnam. You would be in your hoochie asleep and all of a sudden Boom! are we under attack? No it's just those crazy yanks firing their big guns.

The guns had a type of bulldozer blade on the rear dug into the dirt to absorb the recoil and were on tracks.  Roo. 

This Neville? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUs6q1VjauE

The Army wanted us to make them NBC capable then dropped the project. Somewhere I have pictures of the front 3/4 gun enclosure designed to protect the standing crew from rifle fire.

That's the one! Love the video way to go mate! The ground used to shake when those things were fired.

We worked with you guys and US gunships supported us in SVN.  Aussies have worked along side Americans in most modern wars.

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I thought I had more coil cars. After a post by Roo, I went down to look and I only found one by MTH. I got lucky and found another at a great price right before Christmas. Deichman's Model Train Depot had them and I wish I had got them all. I am thankful for the one I got. I will get more as I can. The Atlas cars are another great release in O scale for me.

 Anyways when I see pictures like these above, I have to pursue making it on my RR. I visited Republic Steel, and Bethlehem Steel when I was younger. The huge scale of those places amazed me then. Roo's layout took me right back to my youth and seeing those sights again.

 I am fond of tank cars so I will try to have a facility for those, along with my other favorites like auto carriers. Now with the steel cars in my sights, I may need a bigger house or I'll have to get creative and compress some type of scene. I am jealous of the quality work posted here and I think it will influence my layout moving forward.

Just a bit of info you may use or discard as you see fit.  On the prototype railroad the "control panels" were and are still called model boards.  As a modeler I am in favor of using prototype terminology where possible to both increase realism and historical accuracy of modeling efforts.  As an aside, I was once a Block Operator at Morris Tower in Morrisville PA, where we sent and received frequent transfer runs between Morrisville freight yard and United States Steel's Fairless Works.  Part of a 1979-2011 railroad career.

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Thank you all.

MELGAR and members. Years ago when digital cameras came out I could not afford one at the time so my daughter who worked in a large cleaning firm borrowed their camera (with permission from the owner!) she worked in the office doing the payroll for 90 cleaners.

From that day onwards I kept a record of almost everything I built and still have most of the photos which now run into hundreds.

You asked about Brooklyn I spent 10 years researching the railroads in New York Harbor that layout is now long gone i will start a new thread to show you what happened to it. I will call it "The Destruction Of Bay Ridge Harbor" I was keeping it for a magazine article but I have stopped that phase of my life age is catching up and I have to many other things to do. Roo.

And here is the latest track plan of the YVR. Note the sidings on the lower left, Valley Pipe & Forge and the Slag Reclamation.

This is the plan for the talk I am giving soon at the local club that's why more names are in bold type. (so people can see what I'm talking about!)

The original is on a PDF file this is a photo from it.  Roo. 

 

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Hi Everybody.

Good news twice!

First good news, you will no longer have to put up with anymore old " Nostalgia photos" !

Second good news. We have finally installed the new control panel at Valley Forge and wired all the new track at the Slag and pipe works it's been tested everything works, I am now ballasting the area and laying some ground cover I will have some photos soon I might wait till Friday which is our scheduled operation day. The photos should look better as I will snap the action during the day while we are running the trains. The trains won't be staged just for the photos. I am so happy to have this area up and working it seems like it's taken years when it's really only been a few months as we get older things seem to take longer but I don't care we got there!

I say "we" because my good mate Bruce Temperley does the electrics and I do everything else we make a good team. So see you Friday. Roo.

 I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. I will patiently wait for a video of a loaded steel train move. …….

OK jokes aside.

When Big John arrives on Friday I will try and organise something. Big John fixes computers and everything else to do with them so I will try and enlist him to do something with his fancy High Tech phone.

I'm going I have ground cover to plant, things to do to make everything look pretty for Friday. I'm turning this thing off!  Roo. 

I snapped a couple of photos mainly to see if anything major is missing apart from details. In the first photo that unloader you see over the tracks in the Slag plant is temporary I am building something three times bigger after a photo came to light of a crusher mine will just have the one track. I have every volume of Morning Sun "Steel Mill Railroads" and many more of their books I read them all the time. The tracks on the right lead into the Rolling Mill this is going to have a major change made as well when I get the time...... another large building with crane to load the coils. It's good fun. Thanks.  Roo.

 

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The latest structure is for the Slag reclamation Plant it's for unloading broken up slag from Side dump cars part of a crushing plant here is the unloader before it gets it's cladding. That's 3mm MDF I hand saw or scribe most of it and wear a respirator mask for the dust. A few clamps are handy to hold it together. Sorry it's not much of a photo but sometimes it's good to see how other people build things and what materials they use. I could have used 3mm styrene or even 2mm for this instead of the MDF but it's very expensive compared to the MDF price and I have to keep costs down somehow.  Roo.

 

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Big Fire!

Thanks Mike. This is the latest photo getting to hot outside and not because of a fire!

 It all fits, now the cladding and the paint, and I assure you it will all be weathered one day this new structure will look all rusty and dilapidated. Now for a shower and a rest and read a Steel Mill book. Ha Ha. Thanks. Roo.

 

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A Train of Brand new Hot Metal cars leaving Valley Pipe and Forge for various Steel mills.

In reality they are Lionel cars converted to 2-Rail and will be used on Hot Metal runs between the Basic Oxygen Furnace at Republic Steel and Valley Pipe and Forge. They are all different because I try to buy them at the cheapest price resulting in all kinds of colours and mills.  I don't get a choice when your chasing price! They will be eventually heavily weathered.

Wonderful cars Lionel at it's best.  Roo.

 

 

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DSC01513Due to the increase in Hot metal traffic I have decided to update the track work at the high line resulting in improved running and an extra dead end siding also the small dead end spur running onto the highline has been lengthened by running it off the slag track. See photos and diagram if interested. You just can't have enough tracks in a Steel mill!

The photo shows the first stage the diagram shows the final stage. The track to the highline nearest the furnace is temporary as two more turnouts will be added sometime soon. It's all working but the control panel will have to be renewed in the future. Apologies for the loco and the hoppers being "on the ground".

While this is going on operations will not be hampered as it is Saturday and train running is Fridays.

 Thanks Roo.

 

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Hi Mike.

Yes it's a lot of work but also a lot of fun. We look forward to Friday's and running trains.

One of the latest projects is 2-Railing six Lionel Metro cars unfortunately the way we have gone about it is beyond most people as a lathe and a milling machine is needed to make up all new powered and unpowered trucks from scratch this is a one of project we will never do again!

One day I'll take some photos we will expect people to laugh and say there is a simpler way, if there was we couldn't find it, we have limited access to talented O scale people and parts over here, so we work with what we have. Thanks mate.  Roo.

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Roo, that sounds really cool! I cant wait to see how you did the new trucks! It doesn't matter if there is or isn't a simpler way, Its all about having fun and doing what you have to, to make things work the way you want them to!

I think what you have done so far is just amazing! Keep up the wonderful work and post!

If anyone is interested in how I went about building an O scale Blast furnace and all the related Mill buildings go to the Scenery and Structures forum and look for the "Steel Mill related structures" thread. I have so far posted scale drawings and lots of photos but that is only half of what I will post lots more to come.

And all the plans and photos are free to download and keep ! Thanks Roo.

Just a quick update for anyone interested.

First I'm not dead I just pinched myself and Yep, I'm still alive. I have had some kind of virus since I came back from the walk which has kept me in bed for 10 days about 30 tick bites didn't help things either, but I am now out of the worse of it and starting to do things I fitted some Kadees on another new Atlas SW yesterday so that's a start not a big start but something.

Today my mate Bruce is coming over and we are going to fit the new Republic Steel control panel the priority is to get the layout up and running again nothing else matters so that is what we will be doing this week. Lots of plans for the future lots of photos all kinds of things coming up as soon as i get fit enough.

You all take care.

Roo.

coach joe posted:

Nev good to see you posting.  I was beginning to wonder if that walk took too much out of you.

Coach Joe.

I have to admit it did. Thank you for thinking about me.. We are getting closer to getting the layout up and running again this Friday if everything goes to plan.

Colin, nice to hear from you again we have just fitted some new trackwork and a control panel at Republic Steel then I got crook and things slowed right down I'm on the mend so see above. This Friday hopefully. The photos are an under and over view of where we are working.   Nev. 

 

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Joe .

No, we didn't do a raid on the local telephone exchange, if your referring to the terminals on each end of the board they are 'through connectors" used in industrial switchboards. My friend and operator who does the electrical had a job once of planning and drawing industrial switchboards so he has a good knowledge of the parts needed !

Thanks Roo.

Hi Everyone.

At last we have the layout up and running again and to celebrate we are having TWO running sessions next week Tuesday and Friday give me a call if you can make either day or even both! I provide the lunch and the trains. Photos show the new control panel and trackwork at Republic Steel and our first of two Rail Car sets no more locos running around the coaches, more about the passenger side of the layout later we are working on that it's a project we do in between projects, we might be in our middle seventies Bruce and mysel,f but we are still building and operating trains more than ever. It's Mothers day this Sunday coming so the kids will be over with their kids maybe Grandad will let them run some trains! Take care. Roo.

 

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Hi Everyone. I have just cleaned up the Team Track area at Valley Forge which included relaying one track and painting the cobblestones the high level platform where the rail car set is stabled is not yet finished that will be this week more photos soon. That Lionel Rail car set might not be the scale length but it fits in good with the sharp curves and short sidings on the YVRR and more important it runs fine after it's 2-Rail modifications, another set will be ready soon if we stop running trains and snapping photos for a few minutes!  Roo.

 

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Hi ROO, I much enjoy seeing the detail of the guys on that walkway relaxing above empty ladle-carsDSC03738 [2), because having them standing above such cars filled with molten contents in real-life, would have had them cooked alive.64386a4b895194298144c0c200c088cc Attention to detail like that is masterful, IMHO, and enjoyable.

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Hi Everybody.

Well things are back to normal again with the layout, great day running trains even managed to snap some photos. As you can see most photos are from my operators position and show a variety of cars associated with Steel Mills even two Lionel Car Works, Hot Metal cars  ready to go into service!  Take care. Roo.

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Those slag cars remind me of the numerous containers of Dole and Del Monte fruit cups I've gone through in the past few months. When I first started buying them, I thought the empty cups looked an awful lot like slag car pots, which got me to thinking if I could scratch-build slag carriers around them, since if it could be done, there'd be enough for a whole mess of them, even in the form of the twin-pot unit in the photo.

The amount of scratchbuilding needed to make just one of them however dissuaded me from such a loony scheme. That and the non-practicality of having that many of these kinds of oddballs lurking about a layout (or even my bare loop) with not even an implied steelmaking infrastructure (and I also have three-packs of both the MTH and Lionel versions).

That leaves me with an impressive teetering stack of the empty cups, awaiting either the motivation to bundle them up for a trip to a recycling bin, or to distribute to someone/s mad enough to experiment with them

---PCJ 

Thanks Coach Joe.

IT was built out of two HO kits and converted into O scale using Plastruct items.

We had another run on Friday busy time but still managed a couple of photos! 1. Coil train at Rolling Mill. 2. Bruce at Bay Ridge. 3.Big John at Waterside yard. 4.Coil train and limestone trains at Republic Steel. %. This is an interesting phopto shows the variety of trains involved in a Steel Mill this was not staged taken during the session. It shows a Covered hoppers returning from Slag recycling with a load of pellets, Slab train on the way to the rolling mill, Ore cars on the way to the High Line at Republic Steel and finally a loaded coil train Stabled at Republic Steel waiting to be moved to the rest of the world through Bay Ridge It gets busy at times that's what we enjoy, we love it. 

 

 

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I meant to post this photo, taken today, to show the tracks in the last photo of the previous post.

It might help to understand why it gets so busy you can always look back at the track plan as well.

Funny enough this photo is also interesting as it shows two "Pup" scrap gondolas waiting to be picked up at the Rolling Mill and the unfinished Slag processing plant with Side dump hoppers at the unloading plant on the left.

Getting back to the above photos this photo shows all those tracks now empty waiting for the next session. Thanks Roo.

 

 

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Hi Everyone.

I have never been a person that has believed in "self praise" as everything I've done in my life has been the hard way what with little education and my parents passing at a young age but last Friday or yesterday I had a very well known modeller and railway person in (West Aust) drop in to look at the layout he ended up running Bay Ridge and Valley Forge as Bruce was missing that day leaving only Big John and myself running the layout, so the extra operator was just what we needed, anyway the visitor's comment after five hours of running was and I quote "It runs like a Swiss watch" Thank you Simon.

OK that's over with no more pats on the back. Here are a couple of photos taken this morning did not have time during the session yesterday for photos the last photo is the new Bay Ridge control panel ready to be wired I picked it up from the engravers during the week. thanks. Roo.

 

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ROO,

You've done a great job capturing the look and feel of a Steel Mill.    I've worked at Ford's Rouge Steel Mill as the Operation/Equipment Maintenance Foreman both at the Slabbing and Hot Strip Mill.  There are a few things that can increase the believability of your Mill complex:  

  1. At a real steel mill every square inch of the place is heavily covered in soot, oil and dirt!
  2. The buildings are heavily soot covered.  The color will be a rusty dark orange.  (In real life when the plant released these emissions on a weekly basis, it would fallout onto your car.  If you didn't wash your car within a timely manner and with a brush, this stuff would eat away at your cars paint and pit the metal surface!)  
  3. There will be many gondolas and cars of various types being beat-up and sagging pulling and carrying stuff around.
  4. The steel mill employees will be wearing the green fire-resistant pants and Jacket and be very dirty from the grim that they been working in all day.  
  5. The foremen have a dark blue uniform but not fire resistant.
  6. Everyone needs to be wearing a helmet, but the Salaried Employees helmets will be typically white and the hourly yellow.
  7. The track in many places will be bent and misshapen and barely within gauge.
  8. Crossties will never look new but will vary in condition from bad to worse to missing!
  9. Very high heat needs to be pouring out of some areas of the layout where the steel making operations are occurring.
  10. Nary a plant grows on the property with the exception of a weed here and there.
  11.  Loud noise from sirens, horns, bells on equipment that is moving around.
  12.  Broken pieces of equipment, iron bars, bolts, nuts, steel rods, crushed rusty barrels, rope, etc strewn in odd places or in piles or along the track or against a building.  Just anywhere.  Make as untidy as possible.  But make the article look as useless as possible, as anything on the ground or within the building that is in good shape left unguarded will be stolen!
  13.  Beat-up rusty dirt laden cars in the employee parking lot as you would be crazy to drive anything but one there.

 

Hope this helps!  

Engineer-Joe posted:

Kazar, your description reminds me of being there. It's tuff to write things without sounding like your criticizing his work. I do remember the overall look being like you describe. I got dirty just delivering parts there.

 I think that it was a very dirty era at these places that when totally captured on a model, can look very monochrome.

Engineer Joe,

You are so right, my intent was NOT to coitize ROO's work as he's done a marvelous job capturing the various operations. 

Instead I was more or less poking fun at what the real deal is all about.

I forgot to add in my initial list the mill needs to STINK like a bunch of rotten eggs as the plants emissions were horrific at times.  

Hi Everyone.  Thanks for your contributions Ron, Coach Joe, Engineer Joe and Kazar.

Kazar, you have some interesting suggestions and I will eventually use them, as you might have observed we run the layout every Friday and I try to do some work on it every week I realise the Mill needs lots of weathering and am looking forward to that phase of the construction trying to find the time is one of the problems I have other interests and a large family but I will get there and I do appreciate you taking the time as well as the other members to contribute to the thread I've never regretted changing the layout to a Steel Mill it's been a challenge to say the least which is why I call it "The last Great Project" ! Thanks Roo. 

 

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Hi Everyone.

We had our weekly operating session today (Wednesday) instead of Friday due to other commitments. We tried a new system not sure if I liked it, anyway I have two weeks to consider it as the other two blokes Big John and Bruce won't be around I'll still be home till next month when I have a walk planned in the middle of winter rain and cold but that's the way things happen at least a positive thought no snakes or other walkers around!

Here are the only photos I snapped yesterday one shows an Ore train entering Republic Steel yard while an empty ore is sitting waiting, the coil train is loaded and ready also,the second photo shows lots of engines one for the Hot Metal, one for slag, one does the switching on the High line and the EL is waiting to match up to the Coil train soon bound for Bay Ridge. Lots of action the way we like it. Take care. Roo.

 

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Roo,

I really look forward to your posts and I like the clean look of the mill. I've also toured steel mills and true they are filthy and noxious. However your plant allows one to appreciate the railroad and its operations.  IMHO, weathered, it would all fade into a continuous mound of rust and crud.

Keep up the great work.

Ron H

Thanks Ron but sooner or later I am going to weather things but not to severe.

Now to another project I have had in my mind for a while... expanding the Rolling mill. (The Bayridge rebuild is held up waiting for some special trackwork from England) still two weeks away. 

The Rolling Mill expansion does not require any baseboards and not a lot of extra track just a large building that you can see into and the trackwork set into concrete it's actually where the coils will be loaded so if your interested sit back and watch the transformation. The first photo will be what it looked liked then after that all the photos will be about changing the area the crane is gone and one siding moved over to fit under the roof.

Now before you say "but, but". where are all the details going to go if the shed is full of paved track. Easy answer is seeing I have to pave the track why not add another one just in case in the future it is needed easy to do now while the plaster is still wet! The new track will be covered with details but will still be wired for use in the future. Actually the track work is held up for a couple of days waiting for another turnout seems to be the story of my life ! I have cut the styrene for the building so I can show the progress on that at the present time.

Hope you enjoy looking at it changing as I do building it stay with me.

Thanks Roo.

 

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Update already. Here is the styrene cut ready to glue together I hope this turns out OK, after me going public with it before it's finished!

The building is 42 inches long 18 inches wide it's 10 inches high because I want to run a full length gantry crane inside and maybe outside the interior I hope to detail it that's why the aisle side will be left open.

Thanks Roo.

 

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