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No, you are not the only one.

I'd avoid these. (but I'm also an admitted condition nut)

Probably trying to show wheel/roller wear for 2 of the pics, but to me the risk of additional scratches on the sides from the track (or other engine) it's set on would negate any positive from the rollers/wheels.

That last one is just..... WHY????!!!!  Take 2 separate pics and learn to merge them together on the computer if you are trying to fit that size image for some reason.   It's sort of funny that the combination is sitting on a white sheet.  At least the wheels on the lower car are protected from whatever surface is underneath the sheet!!

-Dave

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rattler21 posted:

Has anyone notified the seller of the damage that could be done and that damage could affect the value of the item?  John

I have suggested on a few occasions as politely as possible that the seller may be hurting sales by doing this and been told,  "JUST DON'T BID."  Or, "I just blocked you so you won't have a problem."           I reply,    "OK, thank you ! "          j

david1 posted:

The other thing is people on the buy/sell board not posting pictures. You want to sell it, better post pictures. It is just lazy.

Dave

Dave, hard to believe but I know people who have owned a computer over twenty years that cannot post a photo not even with a smart phone. I show someone how at least once a year.    j

JohnActon posted:
david1 posted:

The other thing is people on the buy/sell board not posting pictures. You want to sell it, better post pictures. It is just lazy.

Dave

Dave, hard to believe but I know people who have owned a computer over twenty years that cannot post a photo not even with a smart phone. I show someone how at least once a year.    j

I do not have a smart phone, but I do post photos on the Forum, of course. Too easy not to.

May I add my complaint? To this day, I have to try to explain TMCC to someone, regularly. Just the idea of how it works. Good ol' last-quarter-century TMCC - the friendliest system ever. They get sweaty. They say "I can't understand that kind of stuff", then turn to their "smart" phone and do things that I cannot fathom doing - or wanting to. But them use a CAB-1? Oh, the horror, the horror.

For some reason, the explanation that seems to work best without upsetting them is: "it works a lot like a radio control airplane system; signals, antennas and such". This is somehow comforting. I have no idea why.

D500 posted:
JohnActon posted:
david1 posted:

The other thing is people on the buy/sell board not posting pictures. You want to sell it, better post pictures. It is just lazy.

Dave

Dave, hard to believe but I know people who have owned a computer over twenty years that cannot post a photo not even with a smart phone. I show someone how at least once a year.    j

I do not have a smart phone, but I do post photos on the Forum, of course. Too easy not to.

May I add my complaint? To this day, I have to try to explain TMCC to someone, regularly. Just the idea of how it works. Good ol' last-quarter-century TMCC - the friendliest system ever. They get sweaty. They say "I can't understand that kind of stuff", then turn to their "smart" phone and do things that I cannot fathom doing - or wanting to. But them use a CAB-1? Oh, the horror, the horror.

For some reason, the explanation that seems to work best without upsetting them is: "it works a lot like a radio control airplane system; signals, antennas and such". This is somehow comforting. I have no idea why.

That's the way I explain all the new control systems. I tell them the new trains are radio control with cruise and digital recordings for sounds. And you can even control them with your smart phone. That gets them. Their eyes widen and they look at you and say with a questioning tone to their voice "REALLY ?"     j

david1 posted:

The other thing is people on the buy/sell board not posting pictures. You want to sell it, better post pictures. It is just lazy.

Dave

Or it may be lousy internet service.  I just dumped my internet provider who only was giving me 4 to 5 MBPS speeds on downloads and 1 MBPS on uploads.   I had their tech come out who told me their service uses old copper wire for miles before reaching fiber.  I dumped them immediately!

I now have 100 MBPS service which runs faster than that usually.  In recent months I would post a for sale listing and the pictures would get frozen up and not upload thanks to my internet provider.  I would later send pics via email which would eventually send the message with pics.  Anyway, there are reasons for things.  But now that I am free of miserable AT&T service. I shall have pics in my for sale listings 100 MBPS of the time !

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david1 posted:

The other thing is people on the buy/sell board not posting pictures. You want to sell it, better post pictures. It is just lazy.

Dave

1000000% agreed.  99% of the time, I close the window when I do not see pictures (excluding track).  Even if it is the stock photo, post something to show what you are selling.

Yes! I get upset. I have diagnosed obsessive compulsive behavior. I see so many flea bay sellers doing that. I'm currently interested in getting a postwar lionel 2383. The worst one I saw recently was a mint AA 2383 set laying on brushed concrete.  Of course the seller made pics from every side laying the shells on the top and both sides in the concrete. I felt nauseated.  

My issues are the same, however I hate musty odor and especially musty smell on the trains and all the boxes...I would think folks would take pride in there merchandise and when they sell them, it would be better for the buyer. I completely understand used trains, minor or severe scratches, but, I like to buy them at Clean.  Great topic, Happy Railroading 

My jaw dropped when my next door neighbor walked over to me sitting on my patio and handed me a plastic bag filled with American Flyer trains.  I had noticed the front half of an AF northern sticking out of the hole in the bag!  The engine and tender & cars from a work train were all there, grubby and unloved but amazingly intact.  This was a nice old set with hook couplers and mostly die-cast cars.  It was just dumb luck that the engine hadn't fallen out on her concrete driveway and been broken.  I gave it all to a friend that loves Flyer.  He couldn't believe it!

Hmm, I find the musty smell nostalgic, it reminds of the old basement when I was a kid and it was a real cellar with a coal furnace too.    

As for that bothering me, yes in a way it does.   But primarily it is a clue to move on immediately.     I have a few queues which tell me to ignore a seller and that one  is right up near the top of the list.    Another one for me is the one that labels the listing "Rare".     I figure I know if it is rare or not, you don't need to tell me.    They are the sellers loss.

prrjim posted:

Hmm, I find the musty smell nostalgic, it reminds of the old basement when I was a kid and it was a real cellar with a coal furnace too.    

As for that bothering me, yes in a way it does.   But primarily it is a clue to move on immediately.     I have a few queues which tell me to ignore a seller and that one  is right up near the top of the list.    Another one for me is the one that labels the listing "Rare".     I figure I know if it is rare or not, you don't need to tell me.    They are the sellers loss.

I too have that unusual love for the musty smell, I guess that's all about growing up in the  upper Midwest where that odor is quite common.

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If I'm selling a lot of inexpensive cars I might carefully stack them to collectively show the underside.  Only if they're all in the same condition.  It's more efficient picture taking.  Mind you, this is done so as not to abrase them and on a soft surface.

I don't think this constitutes a biblical sin.

What perturbs me more are out of focus pictures, especially if I'm really interested in the piece.  Just as bad are pictures that were not properly rotated so as to be upright.  If there's an out of focus  picture malrotated I look for an AED.

Alan

Did y'all ever consider the thought of the seller is trying to SHOW the underside for reasons of perhaps minimal pickup roller wear, or at least to show the good/fair/crappy  (take your pick) condition of the frame, or such?  As for the train abuse stories....I couldn't disagree!  The hard earned money spent, and then they are "tossed around".  Boxes?   Well.........some folks just don't know..........

This drives me crazy, too, in part because it is so darn illogical. Surely, the seller must realize that a train that has not been drug across the concrete will sell before one that has....?

A buddy of mine collected baseball cards. He knew the grading system for those, and what he had. I bought an old Lionel off of him. It was in C-7 condition. It would have been in C-8, except he had thrown all the O-27 track into the box right on top of the engine!

I get that, if it's not your thing, you won't be as excited about its condition. If I had baseball cards, I wouldn't stick them in the spokes of my bike, but I wouldn't be as careful with them as I am with the trains, probably. But if you are a seller, even if you have no personal interest in the thing, isn't it in your best financial interest to be as fastidious with it as the collector you hope to sell it to?

Drives me nuts!

(Better now, thanks )

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redjimmy1955 posted:

Did y'all ever consider the thought of the seller is trying to SHOW the underside for reasons of perhaps minimal pickup roller wear, or at least to show the good/fair/crappy  (take your pick) condition of the frame, or such?  As for the train abuse stories....I couldn't disagree!  The hard earned money spent, and then they are "tossed around".  Boxes?   Well.........some folks just don't know..........

Jimmy, I and most other sellers I have seen manage to show the bottom side of locos cars etc without stacking them or laying on track. You end up with very small contact patches of metal on metal or metal on plastic where the weight of the item is concentrated and more likely to damage the item.  Even a sheet of cardboard between the pieces can go a long way towards preventing damage.     j

Joe Hohmann posted:
KOOLjock1 posted:

That guy who always couples the tender backwards... I mean, how stupid do you have to be?

Jon  

I'm guessing he is just saying, "I don't know anything about trains, so this price is probably too low."

Joe, I am convinced there are sellers who do that intentionally, at least it causes no permanent harm.  j

joe krasko posted:
maa5344 posted:

How about pricing labels with permanent adhesive? 

No greater turn off then a big stick on label.... on the item or the box.....

I get them off two ways a drop of mineral spirits,let sit ten-fifteen minutes, or the hairdryer and a pair of tweezers to keep your fingers cool.   j

Gilly@N&W posted:

The one that gets me are the listings where they sell the locomotive separately from the "coal-car" (Tender). 

Amen Brother.   Paradox !   Once you have one without the other you have to find that guy who has the OTHER.  I have bought collections where this was the case.  However, I can say I never sell one till I have the other.   I cannot tell you how many times a month I explain to someone on ebay that you cannot separate the loco from the tender because they have mated electronics. Sometimes they relist with both in one ad but usually not.           j

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