That's the LC+ 2.0 Brooklyn Eastern District Transit steam switcher and the Bronx Zoo giraffe cars.
LOL, Arnold
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That's the LC+ 2.0 Brooklyn Eastern District Transit steam switcher and the Bronx Zoo giraffe cars.
LOL, Arnold
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Brooklyn and Bronx train going between Ebbets Field and Yankee Stadium. Makes sense to me. Looks good!!
I've never been to New York. What part of the city was the Polo Grounds in and where is Shea Stadium?
The Polo Grounds were in upper Manhattan. Shea was in Flushing Queens.
They should have a train that runs directly from Mid-Town Manhattan to Peter Lugers.
@Mark Boyce posted:Brooklyn and Bronx train going between Ebbets Field and Yankee Stadium. Makes sense to me. Looks good!!
I've never been to New York. What part of the city was the Polo Grounds in and where is Shea Stadium?
The Polo Grounds was in Manhattan, on the western side of the Harlem River, and was the home ball park of the New York Giants baseball team from around the early 1900s until they moved to San Francisco around 1957.
Here it is:
LOL.
The Polo Grounds was also the home ball park of the New York Mets in the early 1960s until Shea Stadium in the borough of Queens was built.
Yankee Stadium is in the Bronx, on the eastern side of the Harlem River. Here it is:
LOL.
Also known as the House that Ruth Built, Yankee Stadium was built around 1921, shortly after Babe Ruth joined the team.
Gee Mark, I can't thank you enough for asking the questions you asked, which has been so much fun for me to answer.
And, of course, I will never forget Yogi Berra in left field at Forbes Field, watching Bill Mazeroski's walk off home run clear the fence in the 7th game of the 1960 World Series. At that moment, you must have been ecstatic! LOL, Arnold
Feel free, folks, to post anything related to New York in your train collections and on your layouts.
New York Ontario & Western 44 ton center cab diesel:
Thank you, Mike and Arnold for the scoop. I think I can now remember seeing games on TV and they said Flushing for Shea Stadium. That was a long time ago. I did not have any idea where the Polo Grounds was, and certainly didn't think it was on Manhattan.
Arnold, you reminded me of the joke around these parts told on Yogi when he knew the 1960 World Series was finally over. Actually, I was 4 years old, but I do remember hearing folks talking about Mazeroski and the Pirates. The wall is still there with a plaque where Yogi watched the ball, the 436-foot mark, and the 457-foot mark. That still doesn't compare to the deep spot at the Polo Grounds. What was it, about 600 feet? I can see the photograph in my mind where Willie Mays catches Vic Wertz looooonnnnnggggg fly ball.
@Arnold D. Cribari posted:The Polo Grounds was in Manhattan, on the western side of the Harlem River, and was the home ball park of the New York Giants baseball team from around the early 1900s until they moved to San Francisco around 1957.
The Polo Grounds was also the home ball park of the New York Mets in the early 1960s until Shea Stadium in the borough of Queens was built.
Yankee Stadium is in the Bronx, on the eastern side of the Harlem River. Here it is:
The only thing you’re missing, Arnold, is Ebbets Field I am proud to say I was at the last game the Brooklyn Dodgers played at Ebbets... my mother (who didn’t have a ticket!!!) took me - I was in a stroller. I now identify as a legally qualified, long suffering Met fan - my parents took my brother and I to several Met games played at Coogan’s Bluff (aka the Polo Grounds). I am still a Met fan... had a Saturday Plan at Shea from 1986 to 2018 (I was at the 7th game of the ‘86 series - where we were sitting, you had a better chance of getting a beer from a flight attendant on the next flight over than from a vendor finding a our seats). And I still refuse to call it Citi Field!!! As for Yankee Stadium, I went to a game there once or twice when in day camp back in the 60’s, and my last visit was when Pope John Paul II said a mass there in 1979.
Love the Brooklyn engine. I bought one when I found out that my Cab-2 would control it - a nice hefty engine for the price.
They built an apartment complex where the Polo Grounds was. There is a plaque there or at least was. I saw it many years ago. The Polo Grounds was the home of the New York Mets for two seasons ‘62 and ‘63. In ‘64 they went to Shea. I wish I could have seen those days. I believe you could see the Polo Grounds from Yankee Stadium. Three major league teams in one city and most of the time one or more of them made the postseason.
The New York (baseball) Giants, and the Brooklyn Dodgers, both left NYC in 1957. It was a calculated move, to have 2 MLB teams on the West Coast. SF for the Giants, LA for the Dodgers. Both teams had crummy stadiums, weren’t putting fans in the seats, and the respective neighborhoods weren’t so good either. Robt. Moses blocked Walter O’Malley’s effort to secure Brooklyn’s Atlantic Yards as a site for a new stadium for the Dodgers. LA’s City Council made the offer of a new stadium, and it became a done deal.
@Mark Boyce posted:Thank you, Mike and Arnold for the scoop. I think I can now remember seeing games on TV and they said Flushing for Shea Stadium. That was a long time ago. I did not have any idea where the Polo Grounds was, and certainly didn't think it was on Manhattan.
Arnold, you reminded me of the joke around these parts told on Yogi when he knew the 1960 World Series was finally over. Actually, I was 4 years old, but I do remember hearing folks talking about Mazeroski and the Pirates. The wall is still there with a plaque where Yogi watched the ball, the 436-foot mark, and the 457-foot mark. That still doesn't compare to the deep spot at the Polo Grounds. What was it, about 600 feet? I can see the photograph in my mind where Willie Mays catches Vic Wertz looooonnnnnggggg fly ball.
Dead center field at the Polo Grounds was 483 feet. Here it is:
Gee, I thought it was farther. Thank you, Arnold. That’s only 26 feet farther than Forbes Field.
I love all of the old ball parks.
Yes I agree, Arnold. Crosley Field in Cincinnati was an interesting one with the ‘hill’ for a warning track. Wrigley Field in Chicago, Fenway Park of course...we could go on and on
Thanks Arnold for, as always incorporating Baseball and trains. I have seen photos looking from the Polo Grounds and you can see Yankee Stadium across the river. They were that close.
Shea was my home full season plan 85 - 2007. I had those 3rd deck seats for game 6 in 86. Saw the guy parachuting in the top of the first and Mookie's ground ball in the 10th. Not much for Citi Field but I sure do want to go to a game or 2 this year.
Don't know why they can't figure out how to run Metro north train to Queens, Amtrak makes this big loop into Queens to get to Penn Station. Bridgeport by car on a good day hour to 90 minutes. maybe 50 coming home. Metro North to Grand Central and the 7 line out to Shea about 2 1/2 hours.
Here's one for you Long Island lovers:
LOL, I like the comment about being handed a beer from a flight attendant at Shea. No one outside of New York would have understood that.
@Mark Boyce posted:Brooklyn and Bronx train going between Ebbets Field and Yankee Stadium. Makes sense to me. Looks good!!
I've never been to New York. What part of the city was the Polo Grounds in and where is Shea Stadium?
What, never been to New York!? Aren't you near Pittsburg? Mark, you have to put that on your bucket list. New York is one of the greatest cities in the entire world- as iconic as London, Rome, or Paris.
@Arnold D. Cribari posted:The Polo Grounds was in Manhattan, on the western side of the Harlem River, and was the home ball park of the New York Giants baseball team from around the early 1900s until they moved to San Francisco around
The Polo Grounds was also the home ball park of the New York Mets in the early 1960s until Shea Stadium in the borough of Queens was built.
Yankee Stadium is in the Bronx, on the eastern side of the Harlem River.
Also known as the House that Ruth Built, Yankee Stadium was built around 1921, shortly after Babe Ruth joined the team.
Gee Mark, I can't thank you enough for asking the questions you asked, which has been so much fun for me to answer.
And, of course, I will never forget Yogi Berra in left field at Forbes Field, watching Bill Mazeroski's walk off home run clear the fence in the 7th game of the 1960 World Series. At that moment, you must have been ecstatic! LOL, Arnold
Of course that Yankee Stadium is no more. Didn't Willie Mays make the catch in the deep center field real estate of the Polo Grounds? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrsg_-dV7Q
And then of course there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T0drh8i4Tw
A lot of baseball history at the Polo Grounds.
@ChooChoo1972 posted:LOL, I like the comment about being handed a beer from a flight attendant at Shea. No one outside of New York would have understood that.
LOL I was going to comment, I think the guy who parachuted into Shea in Game 6 86 exited the plane below us
@Mannyrock posted:They should have a train that runs directly from Mid-Town Manhattan to Peter Lugers.
They do. The m train runs down 6th avenue and stops at Marcy avenue
BlueLine, is that a subway train? (Only two things in life I am terrified of. Brown recluse spiders and the N.Y. subways.)
@Will posted:What, never been to New York!? Aren't you near Pittsburg? Mark, you have to put that on your bucket list. New York is one of the greatest cities in the entire world- as iconic as London, Rome, or Paris.
I do live 40 miles north of Pittsburgh, Will. Yes, I-80 all the way. Our younger daughter and her husband have been there and found a lot to see for little cost, mostly public transportation. Hopefully when we don’t have to take care of my mother-in-law, we will be young enough to travel some. 😄 It’s been a bummer; retire and have to stay home 😄
The Polo Grounds site (Coogan's bluff) is almost directly across the Harlem River from Yankee Stadium. A section of the old 9th ave el, that ran on a viaduct at 155th street (demolished I believe in 1960), connected the Polo grounds to the #4 IRT just north of Yankee Stadium. The Shuttle ran until 1958,after the Giants had moved to SF. As others have pointed out the Polo Grounds was also the home of the NY Mets in their early days, NY Jets (nee Titans) played there from 1960 to 1963.
There had been several stadiums at that location, and yeah they did play polo there at one point. The final one was built in 1911 and centerfield at one point was 505 feet, they later brought it in. As far as I know the only person to hit a ball out of the stadium was Babe Ruth.
Yep, Willie May's "The Catch " in 1954 against the Cleveland Indians was in dead center in the Polo Grounds, I have a signed picture of it in my home office.
In 1951 it was the site of the infamous (least in NYC) Bobby Thomson home run in the bottom of the 9th inning, of a one game playoff between the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Giants when they finished tied at end of regular season (one of those miracle seasons, the Dodgers led the Giants by like 14 games in August I believe), called I believe "the shot heard round the world". I have a personal connection that that, my parents were dating, weren't married yet, they both lived in the Bronx, travelled to work on the D train, and they dared each other to play hooky and go to the game..and they did.
Thanks, Arnold, another great thread.
"It's a wonderful town!"
"The Bronx is up and the Battery down, the people ride in a hole in the ground!"
Above quotes from the Broadway musical "On the Town" - music by Leonard Bernstein, book and lyrics by Betty Comden and Adolph Green. Additional lyrics by Bernstein.
@bptBill posted:Thanks Arnold for, as always incorporating Baseball and trains. I have seen photos looking from the Polo Grounds and you can see Yankee Stadium across the river. They were that close.
Shea was my home full season plan 85 - 2007. I had those 3rd deck seats for game 6 in 86. Saw the guy parachuting in the top of the first and Mookie's ground ball in the 10th. Not much for Citi Field but I sure do want to go to a game or 2 this year.
Don't know why they can't figure out how to run Metro north train to Queens, Amtrak makes this big loop into Queens to get to Penn Station. Bridgeport by car on a good day hour to 90 minutes. maybe 50 coming home. Metro North to Grand Central and the 7 line out to Shea about 2 1/2 hours.
In theory they could. There is a technical issue with the third rail, LIRR is on top of the rail, Metro north bottom, which would require having multiple shoes I assume. Once the LIRR access into Grand central is completed, in theory you could build a connection outside grand central to bring the Metro North Trains onto the LIRR tracks over the 63rd street tunnel to queens and then on to the lIRR Citifield station. However, the LIRR trains come in their own tunnel, below the level of the Metro North tracks and I don't think there is any plan to connect them, plus I don't know lIRR lines all that well, could a train coming off the 63rd street tunnel get routed to Citifield without having to go through all kinds of weird routing. If the 63rd street tunnel route could connect to Citifield, then you could take Metro North to Grand central and change to a LIRR train, they have that concept today (though much more crude) where you take a Metro North train to GCT, take the subway to Penn Station, and then take a train out to Swamp Palace ie Metlife stadium, this would take out the subway portion of that.
@Mark Boyce posted:What part of the city was the Polo Grounds in and where is Shea Stadium?
Where is Shea? In some dust pile. Shea was demolished after Citi Field was completed in 2009 adjacent to the old stadium.
@Apples55 posted:The only thing you’re missing, Arnold, is Ebbets Field I am proud to say I was at the last game the Brooklyn Dodgers played at Ebbets... my mother (who didn’t have a ticket!!!) took me - I was in a stroller. I now identify as a legally qualified, long suffering Met fan - my parents took my brother and I to several Met games played at Coogan’s Bluff (aka the Polo Grounds). I am still a Met fan... had a Saturday Plan at Shea from 1986 to 2018 (I was at the 7th game of the ‘86 series …
As for refusing to call the new stadium Citi Field, what do you call it? It has never had any name and it certainly isn’t Shea Stadium. Call it Ebbets Field, if you want. At least it looks like Ebbets.
@Jim R. posted:Where is Shea? In some dust pile. Shea was demolished after Citi Field was completed in 2009 adjacent to the old stadium.
As for refusing to call the new stadium Citi Field, what do you call it? It has never had any name and it certainly isn’t Shea Stadium. Call it Ebbets Field, if you want. At least it looks like Ebbets.
Jim, Thank you for the clarification. "Is" is what I meant. I didn't even know Shea Stadium was demolished. I thought it was renamed to Citi Field like the Pittsburgh Civic Arena was renamed Mellon Arena. As Will pointed out earlier, I just haven't gotten around.
For the Subway Series in 2000, the MTA did up two trains - one for the Mets, one for the Yankees. These are MTH add-on cars from around that time...
A friend of my brother actually had a photo of the two trains on adjacent tracks with Shea Stadium in the background - wish I could get a copy of it.
And finally, one of the Redbirds on the 6 Local (another MTH add-on). I spent a lot of time riding those cars on that line between 1974 and 2012 (first college and then work - not sure when they were retired).
@ChooChoo1972 posted:LOL, I like the comment about being handed a beer from a flight attendant at Shea. No one outside of New York would have understood that.
Agreed!
Peter
Great thread and great memories.....
Always took the subway to Yankee Stadium......I lived in Pelham Bay....the #6 down to 125th St and then the #4 to the Stadium.....
I was older when I went to Shea and most often drove across the Whitestone Bridge....
When my Dad was in his 80s and living with my sister in Monticello....my son and I went up there to visit......drove to Tarrytown.....MetroNorth to Grand Central.....then the 7 to Shea. I still have not been to Citi Field.
Only went to the Polo Grounds once.....summer of 63......I remember the place being a wreck.....great game. thougt.....Roger Craig was going for his 19th loss in a row....but a grand slam in the 9th by either Jim Hickman or Rod Kanehl (I can't remember who) thwarted Roger's attempt at baseball immortality.....
Peter
@Mark Boyce posted:I do live 40 miles north of Pittsburgh, Will. Yes, I-80 all the way. Our younger daughter and her husband have been there and found a lot to see for little cost, mostly public transportation. Hopefully when we don’t have to take care of my mother-in-law, we will be young enough to travel some. 😄 It’s been a bummer; retire and have to stay home 😄
If you drive in on 80 you will pass a few miles by my house. I cross 80 or use it almost every day. I'm right near the Delaware Water Gap.
@Tinplate Art posted:"The Bronx is up and the Battery down, the people ride in a hole in the ground!"
"Manhattan women are all dressed in satin, so the fellows say."
@Arnold D. Cribari posted:And, of course, I will never forget Yogi Berra in left field at Forbes Field, watching Bill Mazeroski's walk off home run clear the fence in the 7th game of the 1960 World Series. At that moment, you must have been ecstatic! LOL, Arnold
One of the reasons why I am too this day a Pirates fan. Plus like me he was a 2nd baseman.
@Will posted:If you drive in on 80 you will pass a few miles by my house. I cross 80 or use it almost every day. I'm right near the Delaware Water Gap.
I’ve never been out that far east. Photographs of the Delaware Water Gap look beautiful.
@Mannyrock posted:BlueLine, is that a subway train? (Only two things in life I am terrified of. Brown recluse spiders and the N.Y. subways.)
And he could be at the throttle of THAT consist!
As a high school student at Brooklyn Tech (1956-1960), I rode both the Jamaica El and the IND Subway daily to school. For variety, sometimes the old Myrtle Ave. El to the Broadway El junction and then straight through to Woodhaven Blvd. in Queens. Also many trips to Manhattan to visit the Lionel Showroom and the many NYC hobby shops of the day. Especially loved those big rambling BMT "Standards" that ran on the Jamaica and Broadway El's!
Growing up on Staten Island, traveling to either Yankee Stadium or Shea Stadium was a two hour ordeal. NYCTA bus to the Staten Island Ferry. Ferry to Manhattan, Then the #4 train from Bowling Green to Yankee Stadium. Or, to Shea via the #1 train to Times Square then changing to the #7 train to Shea.
@Henryjint posted:Growing up on Staten Island, traveling to either Yankee Stadium or Shea Stadium was a two hour ordeal. NYCTA bus to the Staten Island Ferry. Ferry to Manhattan, Then the #4 train from Bowling Green to Yankee Stadium. Or, to Shea via the #1 train to Times Square then changing to the #7 train to Shea.
Henry,
That was quite a ride either way! But, I wouldn't mind making it when things get back to normal. I haven't been on a train in more than a year...
MELGAR
@Tinplate Art posted:As a high school student at Brooklyn Tech (1956-1960), I rode both the Jamaica El and the IND Subway daily to school. For variety, sometimes the old Myrtle Ave. El to the Broadway El junction and then straight through to Woodhaven Blvd. in Queens. Also many trips to Manhattan to visit the Lionel Showroom and the many NYC hobby shops of the day. Especially loved those big rambling BMT "Standards" that ran on the Jamaica and Broadway El's!
Tech Alma mater molder of men!!! Rode the n from sunset park to tech for 4 years
@Mannyrock posted:BlueLine, is that a subway train? (Only two things in life I am terrified of. Brown recluse spiders and the N.Y. subways.)
I agree about the NY subways. They are totally confusing for an out of town visitor and the signs are non-existent. NH Joe
@Mark Boyce posted:I’ve never been out that far east. Photographs of the Delaware Water Gap look beautiful.
Wow you are a home body. Or maybe you have traveled west, south, and north. I've lived in 11 states.
There are apparently many Tech Knights on our forum: "Proudly we stand to salute thee again!" :-)
Lived in Corona and rode the #7 and the R to The Art Student's League across from Carnegie Hall in Manhattan. Later lived in Bensonhurst and rode the B into the city to go to the museums and see the GF. Still later lived in Yorkville and rode the 4-5-6 to get downtown or up to Yankee Stadium. Even later commuted in from NJ by bus and took the 7 or S over to catch the 4-5-6 to work.
@Will posted:Wow you are a home body. Or maybe you have traveled west, south, and north. I've lived in 11 states.
I’ve lived in Western Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, and back to Westsylvania. We used to go to Arkansas when my in-laws lived there. My trips to New York were to Niagara Falls, Cooperstown, and Lake George. As to subways, I have ridden the Washington Metro about 4 times. It is very clean and well marked I thought. I have heard horror stories about NYC subways for years. Ben needs a Medal of Honor for working there.
@Will posted:Wow you are a home body. Or maybe you have traveled west, south, and north. I've lived in 11 states.
Before I met my future wife, I dated a young woman. Unlike me, she had travelled a lot.
She said with a smile, "some of us are like trees with roots, while others are like bubbles that fly away."
Railfanning along the Hudson River:
@Mark Boyce posted:I’ve lived in Western Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, and back to Westsylvania. We used to go to Arkansas when my in-laws lived there. My trips to New York were to Niagara Falls, Cooperstown, and Lake George. As to subways, I have ridden the Washington Metro about 4 times. It is very clean and well marked I thought. I have heard horror stories about NYC subways for years. Ben needs a Medal of Honor for working there.
Nah, they're just fine. I rode them daily throughout the 70's when NYC was at its nadir. No problem. Definitely the best way to get around town. But then I was an artist and a bohemian so a certain amount of grittiness is normal.
Will is correct The subways in general are just fine You have to know what neighborhoods are dangerous as is the subway through them Some parts of the Bronx should still be called Fort Apache
As a college student who commuted, I took Metro North, the Shuttle and the 7th Avenue subway every day without incident, and in my first year of law school in Albany, NY while walking from the library to the dormitory I got accosted and robbed by a thug who was built like Tarzan. LOL.
Fort Apache! Yes, some friends and I went to a movie Fort Apache, expecting a western, way back in the early ‘80s. We were surprised it was in The Bronx. We didn’t even stay for the end. I know, a bunch of country bumpkins! I still look up to the tops of the tall buildings on the rare occasion I go to Pittsburgh! 😄
@Mannyrock posted:They should have a train that runs directly from Mid-Town Manhattan to Peter Lugers.
That would be the M train - but it does make multiple stops before your get there it's a local. Take it from Rockefeller Center.
The bleachers from the Polo Grounds ended up as the bleachers at Rikers Island the city prison. They have since rotted away.
I fold. You win.
@Arnold D. Cribari posted:The Polo Grounds was in Manhattan, on the western side of the Harlem River, and was the home ball park of the New York Giants baseball team from around the early 1900s until they moved to San Francisco around 1957.
Here it is:
LOL.
The Polo Grounds was also the home ball park of the New York Mets in the early 1960s until Shea Stadium in the borough of Queens was built.
Yankee Stadium is in the Bronx, on the eastern side of the Harlem River. Here it is:
LOL.
Also known as the House that Ruth Built, Yankee Stadium was built around 1921, shortly after Babe Ruth joined the team.
Gee Mark, I can't thank you enough for asking the questions you asked, which has been so much fun for me to answer.
And, of course, I will never forget Yogi Berra in left field at Forbes Field, watching Bill Mazeroski's walk off home run clear the fence in the 7th game of the 1960 World M. At that moment, you must have been ecstatic! LOL, Arnold
My Dad's office was next to the Polo Grounds. The Polo Ground's subway stop was at 155th street and 8th avenue. Here's my version of the stop on my layout.
I have some skyscrapers too.
Wowzie Dowzie!!!! Y'all make me feel so z-scale.
Here is Mcdonald Avenue in Brooklyn around 1960. The R1 subway is up on the Culver Line El. The PCC trolley is heading to Bartel Pritchard Square from Coney Island. There is a New Look Fishbowl bus, the white Good Humor Truck.
@bluelinec4 posted:Will is correct The subways in general are just fine You have to know what neighborhoods are dangerous as is the subway through them Some parts of the Bronx should still be called Fort Apache
The subways are fine as long as you don't get lost at Fort Apache? I always got lost in the NY subways.
I have never had a problem with riding subways in Tokyo, Paris, San Francisco or London. The NY subways, at least for me, are total chaos and confusion. NH Joe
Hi NH Joe,
A little perspective is needed. New York City subways cover 248 track miles and about 472 stations. Also, its are a combination of 3 different subway companies, IRT (Independant Rapid Transit), BMT (Brooklyn Manhattan Transit), and IND (Independant Subway) over the last 116 years.
There is no chaos and confusion. The lettered subway lines start with the "A" train running north/south and then proceed through the alphabet running west to east. The numbered trains begin with the "1" train running north/south and then proceed through the other numbers going west to east.
Tokyo is 120 route miles and 180 stations, London is 250 track miles and 270 stations, Paris is 136 route miles and 302 stations, San Francisco is 131 route miles and 50 stations.
neal
Arnold, it’s a great layout you have, enjoy watching your postings of your trains navigating it. With that said, I’ve been to NYC 2 times, that was 1 time too many! No desire to go back! Hahaha.
C Murley,
Why do you say that? New York is and will always be the center of culture, commerce, media, museums, theater, fashion, and may other things. It is no coincidence that Joshua Lionel Cowen started the best toy train company in the world in New York. He would be proud of the current state and future of his city.
neal
Then why did Cowen move his factory to Jersey ?
I was born and raised in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn and later in Woodhaven in the borough of Queens for a total of eighteen years (1942-1960). Would not trade those years for any other city in the world! :-)
The great subway and el system and the proximity to the great railroads of the day like the New York Central and Pennsylvania made it a rail paradise. Both the A.C. Gilbert Co. And Lionel had their great showrooms and display layouts there which were always a great treat to visit.
@Putnam Division posted:
Fantastic... I’m getting long train envy again!!!
I only run trains that might have been seen here in St. Louis. Of course, that means New York Central! I picked up these MTH NYC E8's to model the Southwestern Limited or the Knickerbocker into St. Louis Union Station.
As for real New York, I've been a subway rider as long as I've been visiting NYC. Nothing to be intimidated about. Just use the same precautions you use in any big city. Heck, I even took my little daughters on the subway a few years ago. I think they were 8 & 10 years old at the time. No big deal. I like the NYC subway a heck of a lot better than the London Underground. Much easier to navigate.
If you have a chance, visit the MTA Museum in Brooklyn. The museum is an old subway station. Very cool. When I visited, I wasn't yet into trains as a hobby. I need to go back with "new eyes".
If you have a chance, visit the MTA Museum in Brooklyn. The museum is an old subway station. Very cool. When I visited, I wasn't yet into trains as a hobby. I need to go back with "new eyes".
why wait? You can visit the transit museum right now. Enjoy! -
@Tinplate Art posted:I was born and raised in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn and later in Woodhaven in the borough of Queens for a total of eighteen years (1942-1960). Would not trade those years for any other city in the world! :-)
Probably because of lesser real estate costs.
I can only claim to be born in the Bronx, Parkchester Hospital to be exact. The hospital no longer exists. I have lived in CT ever since. I do have a lot of direct decendents in All Faiths Cemetery in Queens.
I’ll look forward to that Peter Lugars shuttle, one of the steak houses on my list I have yet to visit. Always wanted to try Harry’s Steakhouse at 1 Hanover Street. Looking forward to meeting Kate and Leapold there.
@shorling posted:I can only claim to be born in the Bronx, Parkchester Hospital to be exact. The hospital no longer exists. I have lived in CT ever since. I do have a lot of direct decendents in All Faiths Cemetery in Queens.
I’ll look forward to that Peter Lugars shuttle, one of the steak houses on my list I have yet to visit. Always wanted to try Harry’s Steakhouse at 1 Hanover Street. Looking forward to meeting Kate and Leapold there.
Steve.....we're practically neighbors ......I was born one hospital over (probably 2 neighborhoods away), Westchester Square.....still on the number 6 EL line.
Peter
@Putnam Division posted:Steve.....we're practically neighbors ......I was born one hospital over (probably 2 neighborhoods away), Westchester Square.....still on the number 6 EL line.
Peter
My Grandparents lived on 200th Street in Bedford Park about midway between the Concourse and the Botanical Gardens. There was a nice view from their apartment of the local fire department, I could see all the action. The subway entrance was just up the street towards the Concourse. It is located under an overpass. My parents had their first apartment just down the street on the corner of 200th and Marion Avenue.
As you can see from the photos I posted in this thread my layout has some NYC scenes. I also have a Woodlawn Stop and the store front of my Dad's place of business that was adjacent to the Polo Grounds on Bradhurst Ave. I can remember walking down the street and peeking threw the fence to see the game. Also, afternoons spent watching Mantel and Marris at the stadium just across the river from the 155th street viaduct. My family didn't have any associated with Woodlawn other than the cemetery, I have a number of relative there too. No cemeteries on the layout but I do have a vineyard.
9th avenue EL Polo Grounds Shuttle below, should be available now for Peter Lugar's livery
Peter,
Is there a Putman Bridge on your Putman Division ? The Putnam Bridge was a swing bridge that spanned the Harlem River and the adjacent tracks of the New York Central Railroad in New York City. The bridge connected Harlem in Manhattan to Concourse, near the current location of Yankee Stadium, in the Bronx. It carried two tracks of the New York and Putnam Railroad, and later the 9th Avenue elevated line of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT), as well as two pedestrian walkways outside the superstructure.
By 1894 it was reorganized as the New York & Putnam Railroad (NY&P) by J. P. Morgan who in turned leased the railroad to the New York Central & Hudson River Railroad (NYC&HR).[1] The line eventually became the Putnam Division of the New York Central Railroad (NYC) by 1913. The line lacked a direct connection to NYC's flagship station, Grand Central Terminal (GCT), which hurt ridership throughout its existence. Passengers were forced to transfer at Highbridge to reach GCT.
Peter - Look like I just learned something about your layout.
In my opinion, New York City exemplifies the best and most worthy things that human beings can be and create. Education, arts, sports, medicine, architecture, parks, transportation (railroads, subways, airports), libraries, business, food, restaurants, infrastructure (have a look at the skyscrapers, bridges and tunnels) and promotion of civility and respect among all its people. I moved away a long time ago because life took me elsewhere, but I often return to keep an eye on things...
MELGAR
@Will posted:If you drive in on 80 you will pass a few miles by my house. I cross 80 or use it almost every day. I'm right near the Delaware Water Gap.
Small world Will, I'm near the Water Gap too.
@Mark Boyce posted:I’ve never been out that far east. Photographs of the Delaware Water Gap look beautiful.
Mark, if you make the trip out east, the Water Gap and surrounding areas are fantastic. If you come to the Jersey side, you can see the old DL&W Delaware and Paulinskill viaducts. NJT is planning to use them in their plans to re-build the Lackawanna Cut-off
Bryce
@MELGAR posted:In my opinion, New York City exemplifies the best and most worthy things that human beings can be and create. Education, arts, sports, medicine, architecture, parks, transportation (railroads, subways, airports), libraries, business, food, restaurants, infrastructure (have a look at the skyscrapers, bridges and tunnels) and promotion of civility and respect among all its people. I moved away a long time ago because life took me elsewhere, but I often return to keep an eye on things...
MELGAR
A little off the topic (but not much), in terms of civility and so forth, O Henry wrote a short story set around the turn of the 20th century. In the story someone who moved to the town finds the town cold,people unfriendly, and is thinking of going home. He gets hit by a horse drawn cab, and suddenly there is a crowd of people around him helping, making sure he is okay, etc. A cop shows up and asks him where he is from, and he says proudly "I am a New Yawker".
@Oscale_Trains_Lover_ posted:Small world Will, I'm near the Water Gap too.
Mark, if you make the trip out east, the Water Gap and surrounding areas are fantastic. If you come to the Jersey side, you can see the old DL&W Delaware and Paulinskill viaducts. NJT is planning to use them in their plans to re-build the Lackawanna Cut-off
Bryce
Thank you, Bryce!! Sounds great; like my kind of place! 😊
Born and raised in the Bronx (26 years). I lived near the Zerega Avenue station of the 6 line. That was back in the day of the wooden turnstyles. Good memories of tought times.
@shorling posted:Peter,
Is there a Putman Bridge on your Putman Division ? The Putnam Bridge was a swing bridge that spanned the Harlem River and the adjacent tracks of the New York Central Railroad in New York City. The bridge connected Harlem in Manhattan to Concourse, near the current location of Yankee Stadium, in the Bronx. It carried two tracks of the New York and Putnam Railroad, and later the 9th Avenue elevated line of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT), as well as two pedestrian walkways outside the superstructure.
By 1894 it was reorganized as the New York & Putnam Railroad (NY&P) by J. P. Morgan who in turned leased the railroad to the New York Central & Hudson River Railroad (NYC&HR).[1] The line eventually became the Putnam Division of the New York Central Railroad (NYC) by 1913. The line lacked a direct connection to NYC's flagship station, Grand Central Terminal (GCT), which hurt ridership throughout its existence. Passengers were forced to transfer at Highbridge to reach GCT.
Peter - Look like I just learned something about your layout.
Well, Steve, if the Putnam Division has got you interested......these are good books to read.....
My two favorites are the ones on the Left.
The 3 volume Putnam Division series on the right is by a man named Joe Schiavone. Sadly, he has passed but if you search his name on You Tube: Walk the Put with Joe Schiavone....he will lead you on some great walks of the Putnam ROW which is now a rail trail.
You'll also meet two Forum members on some of those walks: New York Central Fan and MNCR.
Peter
I have been in contact with the Bohack family about our new Bohack reefer Mr H.C. Bohacks daughter Jackie sent me this pic and gave permission to use it. They were a treasure trove of info and were the ones that knew Ballantine was the brewer of Bohack Beer This was New Yorks supermarket And this is New Yorks Supermarket's mother ship
"Then why did Cowen move his factory to Jersey ?"
Proximity to freight transportation, both incoming raw material and outgoing products.
Large middle-class workforce, within easy commuting distance.
Tax advantages.
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