ANNOUNCING....DARSTAED / European Vintage Model Trains...New Forum Sponsor...!!!

OGR is happy to inform our readers and forum members that Darstaed, European Vintage Model Trains has joined the forum as a sponsor!  Edward and Jeanne Cognazzo are the exclusive distributors of this line of European O gauge coarse scale, DC 3rd rail locomotives and tinplate products.  The Cognazzos invite you to visit their website at http://eurovintagetrains.com/ to see their beautiful line of trains and buildings.  For even more info and products, you can visit the Dastaed website http://www.darstaed.com/  The Darstaed banner ad is located at the top of each page of the forum and their index listing is within the featured topics in each of the forum categories...both have links to the website and their products.  Please join OGR in welcoming them aboard!

Thanks,

Alan

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OGR PUBLISHER posted:

OGR is happy to inform our readers and forum members that Darstaed, European Vintage Model Trains has joined the forum as a sponsor!  Edward and Jeanne Cognazzo are the exclusive distributors of this line of European O gauge course scale, DC 3rd rail locomotives and tinplate products.  The Cognazzos invite you to visit their website at http://eurovintagetrains.com/ to see their beautiful line of trains and buildings.  For even more info and products, you can visit the Dastaed website http://www.darstaed.com/  The Darstaed banner ad is located at the top of each page of the forum and their index listing is within the featured topics in each of the forum categories...both have links to the website and their products.  Please join OGR in welcoming them aboard!

Thanks,

Alan

The front page of the eurovintagetrains.com website refers to Ace locomotives but if you click on the link you are taken to a listing of Darstaed A4 locomotives which are not the same as Ace A4 locomotives.   Furthermore Darstaed have indicated that they are moving future production away from coarse scale (not course scale as referred to in the post) to fine scale products.

Dear Highlander,
Thank you for your post, yes it seems confusing but both the Ace A4 and Darstaed one were designed and made by us. I will ask Edward to clarify his website.
We have added finescale to our range but not forsaken tinplate.
Cheers,
Andries
Darstaed

Darstaed posted:

Dear Highlander,
Thank you for your post, yes it seems confusing but both the Ace A4 and Darstaed one were designed and made by us. I will ask Edward to clarify his website.
We have added finescale to our range but not forsaken tinplate.
Cheers,
Andries
Darstaed

Thank you Andries.  I have the Darstaed A4 in Black and Garter Blue (amongst many of your products) - will you be producing the other previously announced A4 cliveries in coarse scale?

Dear Highlander, There will be allot of fixing of wording on my website. The Darstaed A4 Locomotive in Coarse-scale produced so far are Silver Grey, Battleship Grey (Woodcock 4489). War Time Black, and Garter Blue (Semi-Gloss/Satin). LNER Green, Thompson Blue, BR Blue and Br Green still need to be manufactured. utorI would defer to Mr. Andries Grabowsky on when will be the production Run happen and what quarter in 2018 or 2019 it will be shipped to the US Distributor. Cheers, Edward Cognazzo

A nice complement to all of those short British ad vans would be the Class 08 diesel switcher in 3–rail O gauge. I know Dapol finally released a model of this ubiquitous switcher for the British 1:43 market in 2-rail, but a 3-rail version is right up Darstaed’s alley.

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TinMan posted:

Dear Highlander, There will be allot of fixing of wording on my website. The Darstaed A4 Locomotive in Coarse-scale produced so far are Silver Grey, Battleship Grey (Woodcock 4489). War Time Black, and Garter Blue (Semi-Gloss/Satin). LNER Green, Thompson Blue, BR Blue and Br Green still need to be manufactured. utorI would defer to Mr. Andries Grabowsky on when will be the production Run happen and what quarter in 2018 or 2019 it will be shipped to the US Distributor. Cheers, Edward Cognazzo

Good luck.  Here in the UK we have been waiting years for the promised LNER Green, Thompson Blue, BR Blue and Br Green A4 coarse scale versions and I for one had been under the impression that plans to fulfill orders had been shelved in view of Darstaed's statements that they would be concentrating on 2 rail fine scale products in the future.

Has anybody tried to get on to their website. I tried to get on to find out what's available  and shipping. It's like trying to get on a government site. You even have to tell them you are not a robot and identify 9 different pictures. Anyone one have a suggestion to get this info.

Darstaed posted:

Dear Highlander,
Thank you for your post, yes it seems confusing but both the Ace A4 and Darstaed one were designed and made by us. I will ask Edward to clarify his website.
We have added finescale to our range but not forsaken tinplate.
Cheers,
Andries
Darstaed

As of today there is no clarification on the website - proceed with caution.

Yes, welcome to Edward and Jeanne on becoming sponsors.  I have had a growing interest in European trains since viewing a few in several different countries, albeit in museums, but find them interesting all the same.  And some are even in O Gauge!

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TEXASTRAIN, Thank you very much on welcoming us as sponsors. I love your pictures. You must visit in England the "Brighton Toy Train Museum in Brighton, UK. Where did you take you pictures? Hope to see you at the TCA in York Fairgrounds April19-21 in the Orange Hall at Booth EE-03. 

gg1man posted:

Welcome aboard. Looks like a very interesting product line. I'm sure your presence will be a plus for us all.

 

GG1man, Thank you very much on welcoming us as sponsors. You must visit in England the "Brighton Toy Train Museum in Brighton, UK.Hope to see you at the TCA in York Fairgrounds April19-21 in the Orange Hall at Booth EE-03. 

Allan Miller posted:

Welcome to the makers/distributors of some very fine-looking products.

 

Thank you Mr. Allan Miller for your kind words. I meet Darstaed's CEO back in June 2015. I assisted him on packing trains from a storage shed with (1) pallet to the Netherlands's and (1) pallet to China.  I was interested in finding a secondary job and a retirement job to keep me  busy when I retire during retirement. (i will be 66 years old on April 16, 2018). He asked me if I would be interested on being the NEW USA AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTOR FOR DARSTAED. The rest is history.

Brian Liesberg posted:

Is Coarse-Scale the British equivalent to the term Semi-Scale?

David Allen said in 2012: 

I don't think the level of detail determines scale. It's purely the dimensions of the real  thing being faithfully reproduced in 1:48 scale. If the model is not reproduced in exact scale dimensions it must be considered not to scale.

To the pedant rivet counters, 1:48 scale of any type is not to scale, if you are assuming the track is standard gauge. 7mm to the foot is true standard gauge O scale.

The term "semi-scale" is an invention of the manufacturers to massage the description of a not to scale model.

All the words used in O gauge by makers, semi, scale, Railkerelying scale, Railking, Premier, Imperial, Lionmaster, are inventions of the makers to confuse and muddy the waters. I don't recall this happening in other scales, it's an American O gauge thing.

The British tinplate market is called coarse scale, also meaning non scale as opposed to finescale.

Sincerely,

Edward Cognazzo (Sponsor)

TINMAN aka European Vintage Model Trains US Authorized Darstaed Distributor. Go to eurovintagetrains.com and look what we offer.

 

   

pdxtrains posted:

Welcome! I wonder if you offer a transition coach car that has a USA style knuckle coupler on one side and your European on the other, in case we want to run with American style engines?

pdxtrains: Darstaed should offer a transition bogie for the corridor coach car that has a USA style knuckle coupler on one side and your European on the other. This would allow  running with American style engines?This thought is very interesting and I will offer this to my CEO Anries Grabowsky. I think that is a great question that needs to be answered.

Brian Liesberg posted:

Is Coarse-Scale the British equivalent to the term Semi-Scale?

David Allen said in 2012: 

I don't think the level of detail determines scale. It's purely the dimensions of the real  thing being faithfully reproduced in 1:48 scale. If the model is not reproduced in exact scale dimensions it must be considered not to scale.

To the pedant rivet counters, 1:48 scale of any type is not to scale, if you are assuming the track is standard gauge. 7mm to the foot is true standard gauge O scale.

The term "semi-scale" is an invention of the manufacturers to massage the description of a not to scale model.

All the words used in O gauge by makers, semi, scale, Railkerelying scale, Railking, Premier, Imperial, Lionmaster, are inventions of the makers to confuse and muddy the waters. I don't recall this happening in other scales, it's an American O gauge thing.

The British tinplate market is called coarse scale, also meaning non scale as opposed to finescale.

Sincerely,

Edward Cognazzo (Sponsor)

TINMAN aka European Vintage Model Trains US Authorized Darstaed Distributor. Go to eurovintagetrains.com and look what we offer.

 

   

TinMan posted:

 

The term "semi-scale" is an invention of the manufacturers to massage the description of a not to scale model.

All the words used in O gauge by makers, semi, scale, Railkerelying scale, Railking, Premier, Imperial, Lionmaster, are inventions of the makers to confuse and muddy the waters. I don't recall this happening in other scales, it's an American O gauge thing.

I'm not sure I've ever heard someone say "Rail-king Scale", or anything other than semi-scale really. The rest are just product lines that are semi-scale.

I looked up British coarse scale and found they look pretty true to life (I don't know much of anything about British railways though, so they could be completely off). Would they still be considered toys? Or more of a model for adults?

If you can't buy it... restore it. If you can't restore it... make it. If you can't make it...dangit...

bigmark75f posted:

The use of the term coarse scale in British O gauge modelling relates purely to the track and wheel standards, and in no way any other qualities of the model 

Many British "coarse scale" enthusiasts do not like the word "coarse"; a Forum discussing these trains is called the Classic 0 Gauge forum, so that is the terminology I use here:

http://sncf231e.nl/classic-0-gauge/

Regards

Fred

sncf231e posted:

Many British "coarse scale" enthusiasts do not like the word "coarse"; a Forum discussing these trains is called the Classic 0 Gauge forum, so that is the terminology I use here:

http://sncf231e.nl/classic-0-gauge/

Regards

Fred

That word "coarse" is a bit of a turn-off, I imagine. I understand the concept, but I can well understand why some would find the term disturbing.

By the way, readers of our upcoming June/July issue will be able to see and read about what our fellow forum member, Fred, has done with O gauge/scale outdoors at his home in the Netherlands. He sure has some gorgeous trains!

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