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@MartyE posted:

Thanks everyone.  I think it went pretty well.  I hope we got some information out there.

Thanks to everyone that submitted questions and watched.  Hopefully it's not our last.

Yes we’ll done,  lot of nice features but like legacy I’ll be late to the party.  No reason to get it until there’s some super feature I really want or my cab2 craps out.  It will be nice for many to get all the different LC/TMCC/legacy under one package

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Great job @MartyE and thank you so much for doing this! I was a little bummed with the answers pertaining to using a game controller but it doesn't sound like the idea is dead. It actually sounds to me like the CAB3 has a lot of potential for further development/expansion. I almost got the sense that Lionel has spent so much time working on the CAB3 that they haven't explored possibilities. That will likely be good for us!

As many have said, very well done, Marty and Dave. I missed the beginning, so I will have to go back and watch it later. I did hear that, at least initially, the new app will only work with the Cab3 base, so I will definitely not be an early adopter, but I am definitely intrigued.
I did have a question based on some of the discussion about keeping the Cab2 base as a charger (love my hand held controllers!!!) - would the caveat about keeping it 5’ - 10’ away also hold for a 993 base??? I thought that it was, for all intents and purposes, just a charger. Thanks.

@Apples55 posted:

As many have said, very well done, Marty and Dave. I missed the beginning, so I will have to go back and watch it later. I did hear that, at least initially, the new app will only work with the Cab3 base, so I will definitely not be an early adopter, but I am definitely intrigued.
I did have a question based on some of the discussion about keeping the Cab2 base as a charger (love my hand held controllers!!!) - would the caveat about keeping it 5’ - 10’ away also hold for a 993 base??? I thought that it was, for all intents and purposes, just a charger. Thanks.

Correct, the 993 is JUST a charger. There is no TMCC 455KHz transmitter anywhere in this unit.- Thus the rule of having to keep it away does NOT apply to the 993 base.

The reason again why the 990 base must be far away, is that the power supply is still grounded via the power adapter and because the base continuously transmits the 455KHZ signal that cannot be turned off, even without a wire attached to the post on the base- there is still enough RF to cause interference.

If you missed the live event you can watch it below.  It went a little long but this was our first one in a while and w had a lot to cover.  I hope you enjoy it.

Many thanks to Dave Olson, Mike Phillips, and the entire Lionel Team.  Shout out to Sadie who got all the technical aspects together. I hope it's not our last.

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@Apples55 posted:

John;

Please pardon my techno-peasantry, but could you explain what benefit there would be using a Legacy base with the Cab3??? I thought that the Cab3 was basically a replacement that will do everything the Cab2 base does. Thanks.

Simple, what if you can't get another of the now unobtainable CAB2?  What if your CAB2 dies it's final death and you can't get it fixed?

Some follow on questions that felt needed asked- specifically about the CAB3 app and about the Bluetooth side of the app given the video last night.

#1 are there specific 3rd party device requirements to enable features or just being compatible with CAB3 app? As an example, since the Bluetooth direct to engine side of the app can run 3 engines at the same time- is that a specific chipset or OS requirement of the 3rd party device? Also, asking, can it work on both tablets and phones, or other limitations?

#2 I did see what appeared to be the voice command icon in the Bluetooth side of the app, but also is voice streaming (a Lionchief 5.0 only feature) and, like the current version of LIonchief app, then have strict requirements on 3rd party device operating system and chipset- in order for voice streaming to function? https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...2#172611907079938312

Again, would be nice to know a list of what is known to work and known not work so people can prepare.

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Correct, the 993 is JUST a charger. There is no TMCC 455KHz transmitter anywhere in this unit.- Thus the rule of having to keep it away does NOT apply to the 993 base.

The reason again why the 990 base must be far away, is that the power supply is still grounded via the power adapter and because the base continuously transmits the 455KHZ signal that cannot be turned off, even without a wire attached to the post on the base- there is still enough RF to cause interference.

That's interesting, as I still have my original TMCC command base (still have one remote), connected to my system via LCS SER2.  Both are only a few feet apart.  No interference issues but I'm betting the wattage of the TMCC command base and the Legacy 990 is not the same.

I've worked on multiple layouts where the Legacy base and the old TMCC BASE1 were side by side.  The BASE1 had no connection to the track terminal, just a serial cable to the Legacy command base, and everything worked just fine.

If you're really worried about interference, one thing you can do is to power the BASE1 with a simple 2-pin power plug transformer of the proper 9-10 VAC rating, no earth ground, less possibility of any conflict.

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#1 are there specific 3rd party device requirements to enable features or just being compatible with CAB3 app? As an example, since the Bluetooth direct to engine side of the app can run 3 engines at the same time- is that a specific chipset or OS requirement of the 3rd party device? Also, asking, can it work on both tablets and phones, or other limitations?



I do a lot of work with Bluetooth and BLE in my day job mostly in industrial environments - it is very chipset dependent.  For example, older iphones had hard limits of 3 active bluetooth connections (well documented in early ios developer docs)  - while newer ones seem to have no problems with as many as 20.  I would bet that they are probably just looking to provide a reliable experience to the lowest common denominator while trying to introduce the fewest potential support issues.  also, its a great way to upsell you to a base 3 - want to run more than 3 trains?  upgrade!

Thank you Marty for the video. Great Information! But many of  us has a small layout. Will be interesting to have a base3  to test it and check if signal is better than cab2 base. But, personally, I can't find any exciting experience using a cellphone as a remote to control a steam or diesel locomotive. I think Lionel should maintain the Legacy 993  to use with the base3, as a transition process. Why? because, right now, new users doesn't have the opportunity to buy a Legacy 990 or 993 from Lionel (discontinued) or pay $1200 for it from eBay.

Base 3 has a lot of new technology for future and, I can say Thank you for that, but will be interesting if Lionel adopt Legacy 993 again  with Base3 as a package.

Thank you for your time and information Marty! I appreciate it.

Best,

Gino

@Gino posted:

Thank you Marty for the video. Great Information! But many of  us has a small layout. Will be interesting to have a base3  to test it and check if signal is better than cab2 base.

Thank you for your time and information Marty! I appreciate it.

Best,

Gino

My current layout is pretty small as you can see from the demo at the end.  While I never had track signal issues I did have the occasional Cab to base "red" blinking LED.  With the limited time I've been playing with the Base3 loaned to me I haven't seen any communication "red" blinks on my Cab2.

I understand about the smart device but I am looking to the advantages of using one including the ability to add functions when Lionel develops them to temper my reluctance to embrace a smart device.  Personally I think for me an iPad mini will help that.

I think we also forget that while Lionel is developing the Base3 and Cab3 app, they are still producing and engineering trains so there is a lot going on.

Thanks everyone for watching.

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@superwarp1 posted:

Yes well done,  lot of nice features but like legacy I’ll be late to the party.  No reason to get it until there’s some super feature I really want or my cab2 craps out.  It will be nice for many to get all the different LC/TMCC/legacy under one package

Hi. gary,

I felt the same way until I bought the cab-2, it made the operation much more enjoyable. Especially with the Lionel subway cars.  But I think at this time your stance is correct, I would wait to see how the cab-3 does in full shakeout.

@MartyE posted:

My current layout is pretty small as you can see from the demo at the end.  While I never had track signal issues I did have the occasional Cab to base "red" blinking LED.  With the limited time I've been playing with the Base3 loaned to me I haven't seen any communication "red" blinks on my Cab2.



Hello Marty

That's it what happened to me. I tried move the antenna, move the cab2 base, everything and I'm still getting sometimes "red" blinking Led. Thank you for let me know that with the base 3 you didn't have that problem again. I will wait for it.

Thank you!!

Best,

Thanks for the update on everything Marty. I’m also disappointed to hear that they weren’t able to make the new app backward compatible yet with the BASE2. Hopefully this goes smooth and they can revisit that.

Great to hear about the improved CAB-2 signal. I have issue at the club even with an extended antenna and even on the modular layout if I stand between the base and the cab it can loose the signal.

@zhubl posted:

I’m also disappointed to hear that they weren’t able to make the new app backward compatible yet with the BASE2.

I'm not going to hold my breath for this feature. Lionel will have to spend more money on R&D so that people can use a free app and won't have to buy a BASE3. No profit to be made anywhere this venture and a whole new plethora of support woes for an  older out of production BASE2.

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Got the rest of the video in last night, great questions and great answers. Thanks @Dave Olson and @MartyE for getting this in and done. Now I've finally got in my first Legacy Users Group, now I just have to run into Marty at York. I always seem to miss him somewhere somehow.

Dave

Glad you found it interesting!  As the first VLUG I think it went pretty good, a little long, but lots of information.  I hope it's not a one and done.

Really enjoyed the video.  I heard more good news than not.  Only one free app download in the catalog description bothered me.  Glad to hear it will be free for multiple downloads.  The testing and modifications tells me they really want this to work out of the box.  The updated webpage with continued support for LCS was great news also.

In regards to the remote issue, personally I originally learned on and primarily used the cab1 remote.  Didn’t really care much for the cab2 remote.  Already purchased the cab1-L remote for the eventual arrival of the Base 3.

A great deal was discussed regarding the App on a Phone. I am not sure of "Why Not", so I will ask the question just to close the door.

Will the App work on an Android Tablet? There appears to be a number of versions that contain different Processors, Screen Resolution, memory, etc., all ranging in price from around $300 to over $1000. Will one version work better or will the App run just as well on one as the other?

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