Lionel Mountain and A6 Steamers Arrive

I just received a FedEx notice that Charles Ro has shipped mine (Missouri Pacific Mountain).  Will be here (St. Louis, MO) Friday.  Fingers crossed. 

Please post photos and possibly a video. I want one in the worst way Congrats 

Both an A6 and a 4-8-2 have shown up on ebay. 

Here is a video my dad took of his Southern Mountain. 

SuperChief posted:

Here is a video my dad took of his Southern Mountain. 

Thanks for the posting, very nice! Hope he enjoys it!!

SuperChief posted:

Here is a video my dad took of his Southern Mountain. 

Well, that's just very impressive. I have one of the old TMCC versions. It looks just as nice as the new one (in fact, I prefer my version's lack of "white wall tires"), except for the cab-tender gap. The new one's gap looks almost prototypical - sharp. Haven't "fixed" my draw bar yet. 

The Southern cab roofs and tender decks were not typically painted oxide, to my knowledge; I painted mine black. The new smoke is great - mine will never do that, but that's OK. I have got to do something about my chuff rate. So many projects....

The Lionel USRA Mountain, like their USRA 2-6-6-2, is one of the best things Lionel ever did. The new version with the new smoke, chuff and short drawbar is very desirable.  But, I'll make do with some finessing of my old ones, I suppose.

CC charged from Charles Ro, but no ship notice yet.  Should be arriving early next week.

SuperChief posted:

Here is a video my dad took of his Southern Mountain. 

Very nice! Thanks for sharing

Here is the L&N version. I do like it as it seems match my house. Try and get the Frisco out Tomorrow - Mopac has not shipped from another dealer yet so any other Mopac fans can post those pictures for me. Will also get out the A6 - I went with SPL #3000.

Can anyone post pics of the frisco and the mopac?  I dont get mine for a week or more...  love to see pics of these...

The L&N is beautiful. Anybody get the new haven? 

Blue Streak, that’s a beautiful L&N Steamer. Thanks for posting those nice pictures. If your able to post a short video, that would be neat. Happy Railroading 

Superchief, that Southern Steamer is a Wow, Lionel did a great job in the smoking steam and steam whistle....Great video, nice layout, and the white wall wheels really set it off. It’s beautifully made. Enjoy. Happy Railroading 

Super O Bob posted:

Can anyone post pics of the frisco and the mopac?  I dont get mine for a week or more...  love to see pics of these...

Bob,

I'll do it Friday (MoPac, that is).

MikeH posted:

Super O Bob posted:

Can anyone post pics of the frisco and the mopac?  I dont get mine for a week or more...  love to see pics of these...

Bob,

I'll do it Friday (MoPac, that is).

Thanks!

Bob,

I have the Frisco out of the box. Its a keeper! The oil tender is great and the white walls look good - will post pictures tomorrow. Look forward to the Mopac pics as I am not sure when my copy will show up. I purchased it from a different dealer.

Lets see the new haven one

All I can say is wow and please stop putting photos on here because your making my wallet nervous. 

Blue Streak posted:

Bob,

I have the Frisco out of the box. Its a keeper! The oil tender is great and the white walls look good - will post pictures tomorrow. Look forward to the Mopac pics as I am not sure when my copy will show up. I purchased it from a different dealer.

Cool Blue...

Cant wait to see those pics...  I won't be seeing mine for another week...  

Here is the Frisco - This is my favorite with the Oil Tender, white walls and decorative paint on the tender.

Also Here is the Southern Pacific Lines A6 #3000.

Also I realized after I posted these pictures that the lettering appears to be white in the Photos but is actually silver. The white walls are white.

Are there cosmetic differences between these engines and the 4-8-2's Lionel ran a few years ago?  I know these are new road names.

I read that the smoke units and sound are improved too.

Nice model of the S.P. A-6. However, it appears Lionel used the same tooling from the original S.P. A-6 almost twenty years ago, i.e. the Pennsy Atlantic steam chests, bar pilot, multiple bearing crosshead guides and the Pennsy style trailing truck. The whole Pennsy Atlantic chassis. S.P. always used "lettering gray" not silver for their lettering.     

Anyone get 3002 from the A6’s? If so, can we seem some photos? Thanks

That tender is showboating with those white walls and gold number and frame design.

Not sure that is true - I think SP used silver some times, the grey others, and in maybe two cases gold and orange.

The A-6 has the wrong tender.  SP never had an oil bunker like that.

The Mountain looks really good!  Did L&N really have white boilers?

Blue Streak, your three new engines look awesome. Given you also got new shells for your F units, you’re having a terrific couple weeks!  Enjoy and thanks for all the pics. 

bob2 posted:

The Mountain looks really good!  Did L&N really have white boilers?

Inquiring minds would like to know. Pics would be reassuring.

Rider Sandman posted:

Blue Streak, your three new engines look awesome. Given you also got new shells for your F units, you’re having a terrific couple weeks!  Enjoy and thanks for all the pics. 

Yes I am. I feel like Santa Claus has come. I can't stop looking at the Frisco 1501 as I think it is wonderful. Also I found out today that my Missouri Pacific arrives Monday and Lionel has received my T&P F units today as well. Yes I am having a great couple weeks of new trains. Hopefully in about 2 or 3 weeks I will be able to post pictures of the T&P's. Kunkle says the new shells look great so I am hoping they turn out superbly. Those F units were the first ever that I had opened, laughed(cried), and then contacted my dealer for my money back all in 15 minutes.

The L&N Historical Society has some old black and white photos of engines #400, 402, and 419. It seems clear that the boiler is lighter color than the smoke box, but it sure doesn’t look close to white

I saw one SP 2-10-2 with a light grey boiler.  I never saw a green one, but there are plenty of photos . . .

The L&N appears to be painted - Russia iron would only be the jacket over the lagging.  And it looks more grey-silver than white.  I can buy grey-silver.  I shall dig up a photo of my Seaboard Mountain for you.  It has a light blue metallic boiler.

At a glance, the boiler and cab of the A-6 look close.  It would be tough to do the Daylight scheme with that tender.  It would be easy enough to modify it, but I know that is not something 3-railers enjoy.

I received my Southern Mountain today - running it over a SensorTrack programs the name and road number in Legacy as the North Pole Central mountain #1224...

look real nice!  May try to pick one up at York. 

😎

Harold

Blue Streak posted:

Here is the Frisco - This is my favorite with the Oil Tender, white walls and decorative paint on the tender.

Wow Blue!  That looks fantastic!  Cant wait for mine!  Thanks for the great pics!

breezinup posted:

That tender is showboating with those white walls and gold number and frame design.

*sigh*

The only engine I *have* to be an accuracy snob on. . . .

Lionel did a much better job on the tender than the engine, but all the white walls need to GO.  They really mess up the graphics, and the Springfield shops would hang their heads in shame over them.

It really is a shame that they didn't do the right tooling for this class.

But the 1501 sits just a couple miles from where I am sitting right now, and it is the one engine I just can't accept compromises on.  It's my problem, I know.

palallin posted:

breezinup posted:

That tender is showboating with those white walls and gold number and frame design.

*sigh*

The only engine I *have* to be an accuracy snob on. . . .

Lionel did a much better job on the tender than the engine, but all the white walls need to GO.  They really mess up the graphics, and the Springfield shops would hang their heads in shame over them.

It really is a shame that they didn't do the right tooling for this class.

But the 1501 sits just a couple miles from where I am sitting right now, and it is the one engine I just can't accept compromises on.  It's my problem, I know.

A Q tip dipped in a Lacquer thinner will have that white paint off in a minute. Easiest if you put it in a cradle upside down, apply power, and just hold the Q tip next to the tire.  Don't think twice, its alright.

Pete

bob2 posted:

I saw one SP 2-10-2 with a light grey boiler.  I never saw a green one, but there are plenty of photos . . .

The L&N appears to be painted - Russia iron would only be the jacket over the lagging.  And it looks more grey-silver than white.  I can buy grey-silver.  I shall dig up a photo of my Seaboard Mountain for you.  It has a light blue metallic boiler.

At a glance, the boiler and cab of the A-6 look close.  It would be tough to do the Daylight scheme with that tender.  It would be easy enough to modify it, but I know that is not something 3-railers enjoy.

 Lionel did do it almost twenty years ago..........

Any word on the Lionel Illinois Central A6?  I have one on order from Train World, but the last contact I had with the dealer revealed a "sometime in September" deliver date estimate.

palallin posted:

breezinup posted:

That tender is showboating with those white walls and gold number and frame design.

*sigh*

The only engine I *have* to be an accuracy snob on. . . .

Lionel did a much better job on the tender than the engine, but all the white walls need to GO.  They really mess up the graphics, and the Springfield shops would hang their heads in shame over them.

It really is a shame that they didn't do the right tooling for this class.

But the 1501 sits just a couple miles from where I am sitting right now, and it is the one engine I just can't accept compromises on.  It's my problem, I know.

I realize it would have been expensive to get all the detail for each roadname,  It would have been nice if they could have gotten the correct valve gear for the Frisco.  The rest of the detail is pretty close and doesn't stand out as much.

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

I note that the "Lionel" A-6 of 20 years ago has the correct tender and a boiler tube pilot.  Sunset did one like that - it was very lightweight brass, but fairly accurate.

I'm still disappointed they didn't make the Frisco 1522, but it still turned out nicely. I can always wait for the next run.

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

To be clear: I'm talking about the mispelled "Missouri".

Wow.  That sucks...  i thought you were complaining about your quality sticker was crinkled...

Super O Bob posted:

Wow.  That sucks...  i thought you were complaining about your quality sticker was crinkled...

Yeah man, it really does.  The vendor is checking their inventory so I'm hoping for an exchange.  I fear they're all this way though.

MikeH posted:

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

To be clear: I'm talking about the mispelled "Missouri".

Bummer. Hopefully it is just isolated incidence but probably not. I will find out on Monday and report back.

bob2 posted:

I note that the "Lionel" A-6 of 20 years ago has the correct tender and a boiler tube pilot.  Sunset did one like that - it was very lightweight brass, but fairly accurate.

If your only reference is the Lionel catalog depiction you are wrong. I have the early S.P. A-6 and it was made exactly like the latest one, with a Pennsy E6 Atlantic chassis, slatted pilot and all. The Sunset Models brass A-6 was correct. 

Blue Streak posted:

MikeH posted:

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

To be clear: I'm talking about the mispelled "Missouri".

Bummer. Hopefully it is just isolated incidence but probably not. I will find out on Monday and report back.

Wow.  Just wow.

I was thinking maybe I could shop around for one of the MoPac engines (this casting is correct for the MoPac) in a few years.  But that error is just plain discouraging.

MikeH posted:

Super O Bob posted:

Wow.  That sucks...  i thought you were complaining about your quality sticker was crinkled...

Yeah man, it really does.  The vendor is checking their inventory so I'm hoping for an exchange.  I fear they're all this way though.

This is pathetic. Isn’t this something Lionel would / should replace like they’ve done with recent F paint botch job ? 

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

Just went and looked at the art work in the catalog and it appears to be misspelled and confirmed by looking at the pictures on RO's site. So I looked at the art work on the new 4-8-4 that I also ordered and it is the same misspelling. So I guess we can't blame the Chinese this time. That quality checked sticker is not very reassuring.

Blue Streak posted:

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

Just went and looked at the art work in the catalog and it appears to be misspelled and confirmed by looking at the pictures on RO's site. So I looked at the art work on the new 4-8-4 that I also ordered and it is the same misspelling. So I guess we can't blame the Chinese this time.

Lionel does the catalog. They should be responsible.  And I can’t read the letters on the TINY picture anyway. The blurry pic Looks like  Missouri Pacific Lines like we would expect. I just expect better !!!!  This is simple stuff. 

I was just  thinking this run was too problem free.....annnnnd here we are.

Blue Streak posted:

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

Just went and looked at the art work in the catalog and it appears to be misspelled and confirmed by looking at the pictures on RO's site. So I looked at the art work on the new 4-8-4 that I also ordered and it is the same misspelling. So I guess we can't blame the Chinese this time. That quality checked sticker is not very reassuring.

Where did this picture come from?  That's the not picture in my catalog.  My catalog shows #5307.  I just looked at my catalog picture with a jewelers loupe and you can't really tell.  In any case, it doesn't really matter and I don't blame the Chinese.  Lionel is the company.

MikeH posted:

Blue Streak posted:

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

Just went and looked at the art work in the catalog and it appears to be misspelled and confirmed by looking at the pictures on RO's site. So I looked at the art work on the new 4-8-4 that I also ordered and it is the same misspelling. So I guess we can't blame the Chinese this time. That quality checked sticker is not very reassuring.

Where did this picture come from?  That's the not picture in my catalog.  My catalog shows #5307.  I just looked at my catalog picture with a jewelers loupe and you can't really tell.  In any case, it doesn't really matter and I don't blame the Chinese.  Lionel is the company.

Mike,

This picture is from the new 2019 Vol 2 catalog. It is the new 4-8-4 that I just ordered when Lionel agreed to put a coal tender behind it. But it is misspelled just like the Mountain. I had to go to RO's site where the Mountain pictures can be blown up nice and large and there it is "Missiouri Pacific Lines"

Joe

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

Lionel has become quite the gaffe machine.

Blue Streak posted:

Mike,

This picture is from the new 2019 Vol 2 catalog. It is the new 4-8-4 that I just ordered when Lionel agreed to put a coal tender behind it. But it is misspelled just like the Mountain. I had to go to RO's site where the Mountain pictures can be blown up nice and large and there it is "Missiouri Pacific Lines"

Joe

I see.  Thanks, Joe.

Spellcheck?

While they’re at it, ask them to fix the spacing between the words. It looks like they typed two spaces between MISSIOURI and PACIFIC, but used three or four spaces between PACIFIC and LINES. That jumped out at me before I noticed the misspelling. I’m sure new tender shells are coming - they’ll make it right - but, gosh, this has to be frustrating, especially for those of you who have to wait years between releases for certain roads like MoPac. 

Rider Sandman posted:

While they’re at it, ask them to fix the spacing between the words. It looks like they typed two spaces between MISSIOURI and PACIFIC, but used three or four spaces between PACIFIC and LINES. That jumped out at me before I noticed the misspelling. I’m sure new tender shells are coming - they’ll make it right - but, gosh, this has to be frustrating, especially for those of you who have to wait years between releases for certain roads like MoPac. 

I noticed that and chalked it up to the extra "I" in Missouri.  I wish I shared your faith by the way.

Craignor posted:

Spellcheck?

RickO,

I suspect you weren't singling me out but I want to explain anyway.  I am new to O Gauge.  So I don't want to get lumped in as a Lionel loyalist.  When the Lionel catalog came out last year, I was excited to see some midwest road names and I placed preorders for four Legacy engines.  They were the first Legacy engines I purchased and sadly may be the last. 

Imagine my horror over the last 12-18 months as the Lionel problems unfolded.  I took delivery of two Legacy diesels earlier this year.  Both had problems.  Fast forward to today and I absolutely dreaded the delivery of this engine (my only steamer).  It was easily the most expensive engine I ever purchased.  We'll see how it plays out.  But for this newbie, Lionel is now 0 for 3.  Now I'm really dreading the delivery of that fourth engine!  But I have been taught a valuable (and expensive) lesson about Lionel.

Pre Fairfax Harrison Southern in black.

I looked over and found two issues, tender water capacity is 1200 vs 12000 and the hole in the boiler for the whistle steam.  My first engine with whistle steam,  I always cut smoke off to keep the mess down.  I know many like the feature, but holes in boilers??  I'll have to live with it.

BTW   box stated  made in Korea.

NHVRYGray posted:

Pre Fairfax Harrison Southern in black.

I looked over and found two issues, tender water capacity is 1200 vs 12000 and the hole in the boiler for the whistle steam.  My first engine with whistle steam,  I always cut smoke off to keep the mess down.  I know many like the feature, but holes in boilers??  I'll have to live with it.

Is that a casting seam on top of the smokebox, before and after the smokestack, in the second photo?

NHVRYGray posted:

BTW   box stated  made in Korea.

Your right. I had not noticed that. The A6 box says Korea as well. 

Well...  it has white walls again here...  and in photos back in the day...  

So remove them if you think they are wrong...  but they apprear in all photos i looked...  I was a frisco transplant!

Super O Bob posted:

Well...  it has white walls again here...  and in photos back in the day...  

So remove them if you think they are wrong...  but they apprear in all photos i looked...  I was a frisco transplant!

Where does 1501 reside?

TrainBub posted:

Super O Bob posted:

Well...  it has white walls again here...  and in photos back in the day...  

So remove them if you think they are wrong...  but they apprear in all photos i looked...  I was a frisco transplant!

Where does 1501 reside?

It is in Rolla "MISSIOURI"

Blue Streak posted:

TrainBub posted:

Super O Bob posted:

Well...  it has white walls again here...  and in photos back in the day...  

So remove them if you think they are wrong...  but they apprear in all photos i looked...  I was a frisco transplant!

Where does 1501 reside?

It is Rolla "MISSIOURI"

Oops. Turn on your spellcheck. 🤪

Missouri is the “show me” state, if Mississippi and Missouri merged, they could be Missiouri.

I’d like to buy an extra vowel, Pat!

Well...  looks great with white walls...  even this 1519 too...

Rider Sandman posted:

Craignor posted:

Spellcheck?

Could be one thing... China!

Peter Araujo posted:

Rider Sandman posted:

Craignor posted:

Spellcheck?

Could be one thing... China!

Maybe in my old age and vision, it will look like 'Missouri' on my train shelf.

I've been wanting more MP steam...

Super O Bob posted:

Peter Araujo posted:

Rider Sandman posted:

Craignor posted:

Spellcheck?

Could be one thing... China!

Maybe in my old age and vision, it will look like 'Missouri' on my train shelf.

I've been wanting more MP steam...

 

Well I begged MTH for YEARS for Premier MP, T&P, Frisco, and MKT steam. Total done = four/ MP T&P switcher (same run/model) , Frisco Meteor-Will Rogers (same run/model) In all these years. Nice but that’s is. Otherwise crickets .........😑So I gave up. Even with a Missouri misspelling, it’s Sooooo much more than I’ve seen from MTH. MP and Frisco in one run. Stunning. Now whens the MKT in steam ?

They've never done a Frisco or MoPac cab unit in PS3.  Last MoPac E6 (PS2) was 10 years ago!  I'd love to see it.  I've emailed them too.

 "Missiouri loves company", as the saying goes.  

That silver quality sticker must go on all new releases.  I'm sure there is still no QC

I think we will see more FRISCO and Missouri Roadnames from Lionel...  i know i have been asking, and you guys too...  so hoping we get more...

tom21pa posted:

That silver quality sticker must go on all new releases.  I'm sure there is still no QC

Yes, I was posting that with just a hint of irony.

When I have asked about the 1522 I was told that "Midwest Road names don't sell".  Admittedly that was 15 years ago, but seems like they stick to it.

Tom D. posted:

When I have asked about the 1522 I was told that "Midwest Road names don't sell".  Admittedly that was 15 years ago, but seems like they stick to it.

I tried getting MTH to do a build to order (BTO) Mikadopalooza. Just a Black engine or black and silver.  Nice big plain vanilla run. Change a road name, number, some chatter differences. How hard can that be???? The build and paint all the same !!!  Only differences some stenciled letters.  CRICKETS !!!!!!! !!!MISSED SALES !!!!!  I haven’t bought any MTH in years as they don’t ever do my roads !!!!!!  Oops.  They finally DID re issued a Frisco E8. I bought 2 powered “A” and an unpowered “A”.  Amazingly no “B” unit - prototypically correct.  

TrainBub posted:

Tom D. posted:

When I have asked about the 1522 I was told that "Midwest Road names don't sell".  Admittedly that was 15 years ago, but seems like they stick to it.

I tried getting MTH to do a build to order (BTO) Mikadopalooza. Just a Black engine or black and silver.  Nice big plain vanilla run. Change a road name, number, some chatter differences. How hard can that be???? The build and paint all the same !!!  Only differences some stenciled letters.  CRICKETS !!!!!!! !!!MISSED SALES !!!!!  I haven’t bought any MTH in years as they don’t ever do my roads !!!!!!  Oops.  They finally DID re issued a Frisco E8. I bought 2 powered “A” and an unpowered “A”.  Amazingly no “B” unit - prototypically correct.  

 

Nice when we can get it. 

Still a fun thread, even with all the nested repeats.

If your only reference is the Lionel catalog depiction you are wrong. I have the early S.P. A-6 and it was made exactly like the latest one, with a Pennsy E6 Atlantic chassis, slatted pilot and all. The Sunset Models brass A-6 was correct. 

My reference was the photo pasted on this thread.  The poster represented it as the Lionel A-6 with Daylight colors.  I have not a clue, except to say that I personally know what the A-6 looks like - sort of:

Unrelated, but here is an A-3, and then back to Mountains.  Seaboard was copied from a photo in a 1950s "Trains" magazine.  I have no idea what color the boiler was, but chose a light blue metallic.  The photo showed light grey.

Shame about those graphics.  From what I hear, you are all quite lucky to get model trains from China, let alone accurate ones.  Consider decals - properly done, they can do what you want in a hurry.

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

Hi mike...  can you post more pics of the MP engine?  Thanks...

Super O Bob posted:

Hi mike...  can you post more pics of the MP engine?  Thanks...

Bob,

I beg your pardon.  I got so excited about the new spelling that I forgot to follow through on my promise.  I only have these three additional photos.  I would have taken more but I lost my zeal for photography after discovering the error. 

Mike,

It does look nice - otherwise. I have the same engine coming Monday so I am disappointed like you. Hopefully Lionel will come through and fix the tenders for us. I have a feeling they will.

This was mentioned earlier but here's a picture of the box showing Made in Korea:

MikeH posted:

Super O Bob posted:

Hi mike...  can you post more pics of the MP engine?  Thanks...

Bob,

I beg your pardon.  I got so excited about the new spelling that I forgot to follow through on my promise.  I only have these three additional photos.  I would have taken more but I lost my zeal for photography after discovering the error. 

Thanks!  It looks really nice otherwise...

Blue Streak posted:

Mike,

It does look nice - otherwise. I have the same engine coming Monday so I am disappointed like you. Hopefully Lionel will come through and fix the tenders for us. I have a feeling they will.

I hope so...  there are things that just have to be right to me...

Oh the irony...Missouri is spelled correctly on the label. 

Im not sure where the disconnect is but Lionel needs to correct some of these latest gaffs. As a guy who has a lot of Lionel and loves the Legacy system, I really want to see them shine. 

MartyE posted:

Oh the irony...Missouri is spelled correctly on the label. 

And probably order guides, catalogs, etc...

Aside from the spelling errors, does anybody know what the whistles sound like on these engines?

TrainBub posted:

Tom D. posted:

When I have asked about the 1522 I was told that "Midwest Road names don't sell".  Admittedly that was 15 years ago, but seems like they stick to it.

I tried getting MTH to do a build to order (BTO) Mikadopalooza. Just a Black engine or black and silver.  Nice big plain vanilla run. Change a road name, number, some chatter differences. How hard can that be???? The build and paint all the same !!!  Only differences some stenciled letters.  CRICKETS !!!!!!! !!!MISSED SALES !!!!!  I haven’t bought any MTH in years as they don’t ever do my roads !!!!!!  Oops.  They finally DID re issued a Frisco E8. I bought 2 powered “A” and an unpowered “A”.  Amazingly no “B” unit - prototypically correct.  

 

I have really enjoyed all the special runs being done by dealers over the last few years. I think MrMuffins did 7 or 8 alone in the 2019v1 catalog. Other dealers did them, too. I look forward to the special runs as much as the catalog itself. Maybe there is a dealer in your neck of the woods who would do this one for you. It seems well suited for a special run given the relatively low minimums needed to support it. 

John Rowlen posted:

Fricso and Missiouri Pacific,

Pennslavania and  Satna Fe,

Onion Pacifiic and New York Centeral could be coming soon.

Don't forget the Northfolk Southern.

Actually, i am not aware of any other Lionel mispellings like this...

TrainBub posted:

Tom D. posted:

When I have asked about the 1522 I was told that "Midwest Road names don't sell".  Admittedly that was 15 years ago, but seems like they stick to it.

I tried getting MTH to do a build to order (BTO) Mikadopalooza. Just a Black engine or black and silver.  Nice big plain vanilla run. Change a road name, number, some chatter differences. How hard can that be???? The build and paint all the same !!!  Only differences some stenciled letters.  CRICKETS !!!!!!! !!!MISSED SALES !!!!!  I haven’t bought any MTH in years as they don’t ever do my roads !!!!!!  Oops.  They finally DID re issued a Frisco E8. I bought 2 powered “A” and an unpowered “A”.  Amazingly no “B” unit - prototypically correct.  

 

At this point I'd be happy if Lionel or MTH would run their scale USRA Mikado with a Vanderbilt oil tender and letter it for Southern Pacific. Otherwise the only SP Mikado in 3 rail was made by 3rd Rail years ago. Yeah it won't be accurate like the 3rd Rail model but I'll take what I can get.

Suspect prototype photos that may be copyrighted were deleted.  Unless you have permission, do not use copyrighted photos and if you took them yourself or have permission, then note that in your post.

"Actually, i am not aware of any other Lionel mispellings like this.."

As noted, there are a few others amongst the thousands of products over the last few decades.  One might add that MTH and K-Line have had a few of their own.  Cannot remember the specifics, but it happens from time to time when you have non-native speakers doing the production, whether Japanese, Korean or Chinese.  These cultures don't even use the same alphabet as the Western world, indeed, no formal alphabet at all .  Should be easily fixed at Concord, NC.

Blue Streak posted:

Mike,

It does look nice - otherwise. I have the same engine coming Monday so I am disappointed like you. Hopefully Lionel will come through and fix the tenders for us. I have a feeling they will.

I think you are right.  It doesn’t excuse the gaffe by any means, but they aren’t gonna stick you guys with those tender shells that are clearly wrong. In the meantime, you have some other great new stuff. 

You can't really blame the Chinese and Koreans for misspelling English words.

Just look at the way Americans spell words on forums like this.

loosing, shiney, to, too and two. It's enough to make a good speller tear out his hair.

The tender shell is easy to remove and only one connector for the lights would have to be disconnected and reconnected so it is an easy swap.

RoyBoy posted:

You can't really blame the Chinese and Koreans for misspelling English words.

Just look at the way Americans spell words on forums like this.

loosing, shiney, to, too and two. It's enough to make a good speller tear out his hair.

I need some advise concerning this. 

Re: casting seam on top of smoke box, yes it is.  My TMCC versions have this too but not  as prominent. 

Lou1985 posted:

TrainBub posted:

Tom D. posted:

When I have asked about the 1522 I was told that "Midwest Road names don't sell".  Admittedly that was 15 years ago, but seems like they stick to it.

I tried getting MTH to do a build to order (BTO) Mikadopalooza. Just a Black engine or black and silver.  Nice big plain vanilla run. Change a road name, number, some chatter differences. How hard can that be???? The build and paint all the same !!!  Only differences some stenciled letters.  CRICKETS !!!!!!! !!!MISSED SALES !!!!!  I haven’t bought any MTH in years as they don’t ever do my roads !!!!!!  Oops.  They finally DID re issued a Frisco E8. I bought 2 powered “A” and an unpowered “A”.  Amazingly no “B” unit - prototypically correct.  

 

At this point I'd be happy if Lionel or MTH would run their scale USRA Mikado with a Vanderbilt oil tender and letter it for Southern Pacific. Otherwise the only SP Mikado in 3 rail was made by 3rd Rail years ago. Yeah it won't be accurate like the 3rd Rail model but I'll take what I can get.

Lou- do you mean this one, a totally accurate Sunset Models/3rd Rail MK-6 Mikado, nothing misspelled runs like a charm, with sound & smoke........ and yes, I'm happy!  

Nobody ordered the new haven?

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Nobody ordered the new haven?

I'm sure someone did, but just hasn't spoken about it yet.

Are the whistles on each road name different? Or are they the same? I would like to see the New Haven variant as well if anyone can so kindly post some pictures.  

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Nobody ordered the new haven?

This is an old one. Pictures show my New Haven Mountain 4-8-2 #3310 produced by Lionel (6-28058) around 2000 with TMCC, Odyssey, Railsounds. I believe the prototype was a USRA design.

Photos by:

MELGAR

I think the Frisco version has the Vision Line Big Boy whistle. Even though I never heard it yet, but that's just my guess.

New Heaven, no doubt.

or not...

Like MELGAR's my Southern T-1 version dates back to 2000.  Looks good but only two chuffs!

Ron

Did the Southern have mountains to run in the mountains?

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Did the Southern have mountains to run in the mountains?

Yes in part, but also because their light weight  Pacific's were having troubles with the longer heavy passenger consist.

PAUL ROMANO posted:

Lou1985 posted:

TrainBub posted:

Tom D. posted:

When I have asked about the 1522 I was told that "Midwest Road names don't sell".  Admittedly that was 15 years ago, but seems like they stick to it.

I tried getting MTH to do a build to order (BTO) Mikadopalooza. Just a Black engine or black and silver.  Nice big plain vanilla run. Change a road name, number, some chatter differences. How hard can that be???? The build and paint all the same !!!  Only differences some stenciled letters.  CRICKETS !!!!!!! !!!MISSED SALES !!!!!  I haven’t bought any MTH in years as they don’t ever do my roads !!!!!!  Oops.  They finally DID re issued a Frisco E8. I bought 2 powered “A” and an unpowered “A”.  Amazingly no “B” unit - prototypically correct.  

 

At this point I'd be happy if Lionel or MTH would run their scale USRA Mikado with a Vanderbilt oil tender and letter it for Southern Pacific. Otherwise the only SP Mikado in 3 rail was made by 3rd Rail years ago. Yeah it won't be accurate like the 3rd Rail model but I'll take what I can get.

Lou- do you mean this one, a totally accurate Sunset Models/3rd Rail MK-6 Mikado, nothing misspelled runs like a charm, with sound & smoke........ and yes, I'm happy!  

Yup. The problem is finding one, since it's out of production and the run was small. Lionel or MTH are not going to make the tooling for this locomotive. Best to hope for with them is a "close enough" model using a USRA Mikado as the base.

Well I received my Mopac version yesterday. I finally opened it this morning and sure enough that 51 state of the Union. "Missiouri"

I spoke with Lionel warranty repair this morning.  I was told they are aware of the problem, are looking into a solution, and "should have an answer in a week or two".

Could anyone confirm the whistle used on the Frisco? Is it like the Southern locomotive posted earlier in the thread or is it the Big Boy whistle? Appreciate it

MikeH posted:

I spoke with Lionel warranty repair this morning.  I was told they are aware of the problem, are looking into a solution, and "should have an answer in a week or two".

Thanks Mike. I was getting ready to call myself. I will wait to see what Lionel's response is.

PRRronbh posted:

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Did the Southern have mountains to run in the mountains?

Yes in part, but also because their light weight  Pacific's were having troubles with the longer heavy passenger consist.

OK.  For some reason I never thoght SOU had "larger" power!

Dominic Mazoch posted:

PRRronbh posted:

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Did the Southern have mountains to run in the mountains?

Yes in part, but also because their light weight  Pacific's were having troubles with the longer heavy passenger consist.

OK.  For some reason I never thoght SOU had "larger" power!

In the early mid-20's they bought their signature passenger engines Heavy Pacific's PS-4's.  They had their class Ms-4 Heavy Mikados, some Sante Fe's 2-10-2's and some 2-8-8-2 Mallets. 

Ron

On the Sunset Mike:  Sunset does generally spectacular work - a lot of bang for the buck.  The SP Mikado, 2-10-2, and 4-10-2 came with incorrect boiler tapers, and the Mikado missed the boat on the Hodges trailing truck and tail beam.

So far, the only truly accurate SP Mikado in O Scale is the Lobaugh 1939 offering and the later lost wax version of the early '50's.  That one is still available from Stevenson, albeit modified with etched parts.

From your photos, these Mountains look really good!  Do they have round boiler bellies?

bob2 posted:

On the Sunset Mike:  Sunset does generally spectacular work - a lot of bang for the buck.  The SP Mikado, 2-10-2, and 4-10-2 came with incorrect boiler tapers, and the Mikado missed the boat on the Hodges trailing truck and tail beam.

So far, the only truly accurate SP Mikado in O Scale is the Lobaugh 1939 offering and the later lost wax version of the early '50's.  That one is still available from Stevenson, albeit modified with etched parts.

From your photos, these Mountains look really good!  Do they have round boiler bellies?

I beg to differ Bob. The trailing truck on my Sunset S.P. MK-6 looks exactly like the real one in the copyrighted picture that I can't post.

Anyone get the SP 3002? If so, can you provide some photos? 

Thank you

If anybody got the Union Pacific A6 please post it here, i wanna see the colors etc

Tested my Southern in conventional mode on my foam cradle since I don't have any track available & when I gave it power, it lights up, but doesn't run. Anyone else have this problem? The box was obviously opened since the tape was over top of the quality sticker on mine & not on my buddies & when opened up it was also obvious that it has been out of the box by the way it was wrapped.

Super O Bob posted:

MikeH posted:

Just received my MoPac.  Lionel is a sick joke!

Hi mike...  can you post more pics of the MP engine?  Thanks...

I just spotted the same spelling error in the catalog art. It must've been a typo that Lionel didn't notice in the original artwork.

I just got 2 of the A6 ones, the SP Daylight and UP Greyhound. For some reason the top of the fuel tank is removable. I guess that will make it easier to add a YLB. For those with questions about the sound, these 2 have the exact same sound.

Davety posted:

I just got 2 of the A6 ones, the SP Daylight and UP Greyhound. For some reason the top of the fuel tank is removable. I guess that will make it easier to add a YLB. For those with questions about the sound, these 2 have the exact same sound.

Did you happen to notice if yours have a cab light?  The one I received is either not working or they don't come with one.  Thanks

Chessie1 posted:

Did you happen to notice if yours have a cab light?  The one I received is either not working or they don't come with one.  Thanks

I just checked and neither of mine have a cab light. Just for fun I also check my E6 Atlantic that came out last year and it does have a cab light.

Davety posted:

Chessie1 posted:

Did you happen to notice if yours have a cab light?  The one I received is either not working or they don't come with one.  Thanks

I just checked and neither of mine have a cab light. Just for fun I also check my E6 Atlantic that came out last year and it does have a cab light.

Thanks again for checking.  I will have to look through the book again to see if there is any reference to the light.

That same spelling error is also on the upcoming 4-8-4 Northern. We can still rectify this before it's even made.

Peter Araujo posted:

That same spelling error is also on the upcoming 4-8-4 Northern. We can still rectify this before it's even made.

The artwork has been adjusted.

OK, the 4-8-4 is fixed:  what about the 4-8-2s?  Is there a plan to address them?

I didn't see anything different about it when I viewed the website.

palallin posted:

OK, the 4-8-4 is fixed:  what about the 4-8-2s?  Is there a plan to address them?

Working with the factory on getting replacement shells. Stay tuned..

Peter Araujo posted:

I didn't see anything different about it when I viewed the website.

I had the production art fixed; the files that the factory uses. The website pictures are separate and will get fixed in time.

Did anyone get the New Haven version? I almost got one of those.

Dave Olson posted:

palallin posted:

OK, the 4-8-4 is fixed:  what about the 4-8-2s?  Is there a plan to address them?

Working with the factory on getting replacement shells. Stay tuned..

Peter Araujo posted:

I didn't see anything different about it when I viewed the website.

I had the production art fixed; the files that the factory uses. The website pictures are separate and will get fixed in time.

Thank you for taking care of both issues. Look forward to getting my Mountain fixed and my future 4-8-4 being correct.

Harry's Trains posted:

Did anyone get the New Haven version? I almost got one of those.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dave Olson posted:

palallin posted:

OK, the 4-8-4 is fixed:  what about the 4-8-2s?  Is there a plan to address them?

Working with the factory on getting replacement shells. Stay tuned..

Peter Araujo posted:

I didn't see anything different about it when I viewed the website.

I had the production art fixed; the files that the factory uses. The website pictures are separate and will get fixed in time.

Thanks Dave for rectifying the situation. Like Eric Siegel said in his most recent Legacy ALCO PA review, it's not about the mistake; it's about the manufacturer's reaction to the mistake. I'm glad Lionel tries to listen to their customer's remarks and comments, snarky or not.

I pulled out my Southern Mountain tonight and no cab light came on.  There appears to be missing a cab light in the cab of my engine which looks like should be in the lower center right corner of my photo below where there is a hole. I was wondering if anyone else has this issue with their Mountain? 

The Firebox light and ash pan lights work normally.  

I received my North Pole Central Legacy Mountain from Charles Ro last week. I am very pleased how it came out - just like the catalog colors - and with neat holiday sound effects. Test run was successful and its on its way to Santa's facilities for some Christmas-freight work.

The cab light may be in the boiler and never inserted or pulled out of the mounting hole

Nairb Rekab posted:

The cab light may be in the boiler and never inserted or pulled out of the mounting hole

I took a closer look at it today.  The cab light is attached to roof of the cab roof via a harness.  The light is on a small electrical board.  So, I am not sure what the hole is intended for in the cab.  I checked the connection in the boiler but no luck.  Did a reset on the Legacy remote but no luck with that either.  Not worth paying the shipping cost back to Lionel, since that is the only thing wrong with the engine.  

Well fellows, I was in Evansville with our train group and we visited another layout in our area. This man just received his L&N Mountain engine and it’s beautiful in person. It ran flawlessly, Legacy Command and Blue Tooth to. It’s a wow. Our friend Tim allowed some pictures of his layout. 

kjstrains posted:

Nairb Rekab posted:

The cab light may be in the boiler and never inserted or pulled out of the mounting hole

I took a closer look at it today.  The cab light is attached to roof of the cab roof via a harness.  The light is on a small electrical board.  So, I am not sure what the hole is intended for in the cab.  I checked the connection in the boiler but no luck.  Did a reset on the Legacy remote but no luck with that either.  Not worth paying the shipping cost back to Lionel, since that is the only thing wrong with the engine.  

An LED turned around maybe?

cjack posted:

kjstrains posted:

Nairb Rekab posted:

The cab light may be in the boiler and never inserted or pulled out of the mounting hole

I took a closer look at it today.  The cab light is attached to roof of the cab roof via a harness.  The light is on a small electrical board.  So, I am not sure what the hole is intended for in the cab.  I checked the connection in the boiler but no luck.  Did a reset on the Legacy remote but no luck with that either.  Not worth paying the shipping cost back to Lionel, since that is the only thing wrong with the engine.  

An LED turned around maybe?

I am not sure.  It's either defective LED or it's not wired correctly in the boiler would be my assumption.  You can see the LED in top of Roof of the cab in my photo above.  Here is a photo of the part for the cab light from a recent manufactured engine from Lionel's parts website.

Any chance of carefully checking to see if there is a voltage across it?

cjack posted:

Any chance of carefully checking to see if there is a voltage across it?

Unfortunately, I don't have voltage meter.  

Harbor Freight has them for $5 

TrainMan1225 posted:

Dave Olson posted:

palallin posted:

OK, the 4-8-4 is fixed:  what about the 4-8-2s?  Is there a plan to address them?

Working with the factory on getting replacement shells. Stay tuned..

Peter Araujo posted:

I didn't see anything different about it when I viewed the website.

I had the production art fixed; the files that the factory uses. The website pictures are separate and will get fixed in time.

Thanks Dave for rectifying the situation. Like Eric Siegel said in his most recent Legacy ALCO PA review, it's not about the mistake; it's about the manufacturer's reaction to the mistake. I'm glad Lionel tries to listen to their customer's remarks and comments, snarky or not.

Dave / Ryan:

Thanks for fixing the issues. Look forward to the new tender shell.

I figured that all the 4-4-2s sound exactly the same, but what do the whistles sound like on the other 4-8-2s? Like a video of each or something?

New haven mountain at LHS

That new haven mountain looks great. I'd love to get one someday. Anyone know how it sounds?

Does anyone have photos of the Lionel Legacy Soo Line Mountain? 

Could someone post a video of the Frisco version?

Does anyone know what the Frisco Mountain sounds like?

Someone on the tube was kind to shoot this vid of his New Haven version in action.