Any interest in Golden Gate Depot doing a run of these PRR passenger trains?

I would love the Trailblazer.

Would they have interior details complete with people in the seats? Any pictures of these cars for reference?

@th55 posted:

Would they have interior details complete with people in the seats? Any pictures of these cars for reference?

Yes. GGD now has 10 pax per car.

I've always liked the "Yellow Bird" and would buy one.  This one and the Tubular Train would all be new tooling so if only one was made I vot for the "yellow Bird".

I would like some of the lesser known PRR special purpose cars like dormitory, mail, rpo, mail storage, etc.  However, I expect that sales would not cover the costs.  Perhaps MP54 and other of the series.  Multi-part dies could be made so that in addition to the MP cars, generic cars could be produces link Atlas has.

Jan

I've been buying GGD passenger equipment for many years, have more PRR than I can use in any conceivable operating session...   I'd prefer to see Scott continue exploring other liveries.

@HiramO posted:

I've been buying GGD passenger equipment for many years, have more PRR than I can use in any conceivable operating session...   I'd prefer to see Scott continue exploring other liveries.

Absolutely Agree !!! 😜😜😜                     We Need to see other roads done that haven’t been done in “O” gauge - or haven’t been done very well.

I have often thought a model of the Keystone would be an interesting train to see built however, I think it might have very limited appeal as it was retired in 1968.  Amtrak had the cars for a while, but they never saw service for Amtrak.  It would certainly make for an eye-catching model on a layout.

For me, I'd like to see the P70Fbr done with the balloon roof.  That is the configuration I remember best.  Those cars served in service as late as 1983 on New Jersey Transit. 

I might bite for the PRR Congressional but if we're talking GGD re-runs, I'd definitely get in on Round 2 of the SAL Silver Meteor.

The Capitol Limited has been on the GGD website for awhile; hoping it gets made (especially as it shares the same Budd cars as The Chessie, so guessing those will be run at the same time and are more likely to happen than not).

What other named streamliner passenger trains would you like to see GGD build (in addition to PRR)?  I think FEC / ACL's Champion would be cool.  Someone on another thread mentioned IC's Panama Limited with its unique neon logo on the observation car.  And I have to believe a few folks would sign up for UP's City of LA / City of San Francisco consists to match their 3rd Rail E6s . . .

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

• PRR Pennsylvania Ltd "Yellow Kid".

Yes!

I have advocated for a Yellow Kid train for years.

I'd be down for some P70FAR coaches and maybe the Trailblazer....

@HiramO posted:

I've been buying GGD passenger equipment for many years, have more PRR than I can use in any conceivable operating session...   I'd prefer to see Scott continue exploring other liveries.

Well it cant be much what trains do you have?

@BlueFeather posted:

The Capitol Limited has been on the GGD website for awhile; hoping it gets made (especially as it shares the same Budd cars as The Chessie, so guessing those will be run at the same time and are more likely to happen than not).

The Capitol Limited will consist of 8 cars - many of which were not in The Chessie. It will have The Columbian's combine, the twin unit diner from the Chessie, the dome car as built for the C&O, the Budd 16 and 4 sleeper built for the B&O, the 10 and 6 sleepers with and w/o aluminum siding, and the observation as built for the C&O.

I have a 2 rail version of all of the cars and Scott has been to my house to take photos of them so they will be correct.

@rheil posted:

The Capitol Limited will consist of 8 cars - many of which were not in The Chessie. It will have The Columbian's combine, the twin unit diner from the Chessie, the dome car as built for the C&O, the Budd 16 and 4 sleeper built for the B&O, the 10 and 6 sleepers with and w/o aluminum siding, and the observation as built for the C&O.

I have a 2 rail version of all of the cars and Scott has been to my house to take photos of them so they will be correct.

Thanks for this.  Does "as built for the C&O" mean the car was purchased from C&O but was not part of the Chessie?  I thought that at least some of the Cap Limited domes were indeed originally part of the Chessie.

@BlueFeather posted:

Thanks for this.  Does "as built for the C&O" mean the car was purchased from C&O but was not part of the Chessie?  I thought that at least some of the Cap Limited domes were indeed originally part of the Chessie.

The Capitol's 3 dome cars (one ran on The Shenandoah so it was really only 2 on the Capitol)  were interior sleeping cars. As I recall The Chessie's domes were observations. You are correct in assuming the C&O's dome cars were not all necessarily part of The Chessie. They came to the B&O in 1951 as I recall.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I have often thought a model of the Keystone would be an interesting train to see built however, I think it might have very limited appeal as it was retired in 1968.  Amtrak had the cars for a while, but they never saw service for Amtrak.  It would certainly make for an eye-catching model on a layout.

For me, I'd like to see the P70Fbr done with the balloon roof.  That is the configuration I remember best.  Those cars served in service as late as 1983 on New Jersey Transit.

The P70FBr was the ultimate P70 not only in terms of being the last major upgrade but it turned the P70 into a very comfortable (quiet and air-conditioned), smooth-rolling ride.  I hope it would be possible to offer both roof styles to maximize the appeal.  I believe the PRSL P70FBr's only came with the clerestory style roof.

The Chessie also had 3 mid train dome cars # 1850-1852. Three drawing rooms, two bedrooms, one was to be used as the conductors office and five roomettes the C&O called cabins. I had the pleasure of riding on The Moonlight Dome a few years ago, what a great day that was.

@rheil posted:

The Capitol's 3 dome cars (one ran on The Shenandoah so it was really only 2 on the Capitol)  were interior sleeping cars. As I recall The Chessie's domes were observations. You are correct in assuming the C&O's dome cars were not all necessarily part of The Chessie. They came to the B&O in 1951 as I recall.

The C&O had only three mid train dome cars and three dome-observations and all of these were Budd cars bought for The Chessie. When The Chessie  was cancelled the dome-observations went to the Pere Marquette District where they served until 1949 when they were sold to the Rio Grande. The mid train domes were originally configured for  day cabins as The Chessie was supposed to be an all daylight train. At least one of these was reconfigured for overnight accommodations and placed in regular C&O overnight passenger trains for one summer and then withdrawn (The main draw for a dome car on the C&O was the scenery through the New River Gorge and other parts of WVa. However, the trains traversed these areas at night). Apparently they were stored until all were sold to the B&O in 12/1950. Any other dome cars on the B&O did not come from the C&O as the C&O never ordered any others.

The twin unit kitchen/diner, the 10-6 sleepers, and the flat end observation on The Capitol were all ex-C&O Pullman Standard cars. Which begs the question as long as these cars were all ex-C&O, producing a C&O passenger train would be possible with the addition of a C&O P-S coach model.

Ken

For prrhorseshoecurve...  I'm sure others have far more than I do, but this is enough for me. I like to run my trains...

6 cars KLine Spirit of St Louis (Sq end Obs, three gold stripes)

8 cars KLine Fleet of Modernism, curved Obs.

3 cars painted for other roads (Zephyr, Seaboard, Golden State)

2 baggage

1 Sq End Obs, Mountain View

2 cars, tandem diner, 4600 / 4601

3 cars P70 unconverted

1 Obs, unconverted, Federal Hall

1 car, sleeper Royal Oak

2 cars, P70 converted (wide windows)

1 car, diner

1 car, lounge sleeper, Harbor Cove

4 cars, short Congressional set

2 cars, short, MTH diner and sleeper (shadow figures)

37 cars in total. My main Lines are 150 feet long, but I rarely exceed 6 or 8 car trains. FWIW, I've ordered 1 PRR sleeper from the current GGD run just to check out the current technology

Jan

@PGentieu posted:

The P70FBr was the ultimate P70 not only in terms of being the last major upgrade but it turned the the P70 into a very comfortable (quiet and air-conditioned), smooth-rolling ride.  I hope it would be possible to offer both roof styles to maximize the appeal.  I believe the PRSL P70FBr's only came with the clerestory style roof.

All P70fbR coaches originally had the clerestory roofs.  When these roofs started to deteriorate, some were repaired, not by replacing them, but covering them with a sheetmetal arch that became known as the "balloon roof".  Note the PRSL never had these roofs.

P70fbR coaches started showing up in 1948 with ones being rebuilt as late as 1952.  I don't think the smooth-riding came along until they were upgraded to the 2D-P5 trucks in 1954.

The balloon roofs did not appear until 1960, so if you model the 50s or earlier they are not for you.

@CAPPilot posted:

All P70fbR coaches originally had the clerestory roofs.  When these roofs started to deteriorate, some were repaired, not by replacing them, but covering them with a sheetmetal arch that became known as the "balloon roof".  Note the PRSL never had these roofs.

P70fbR coaches started showing up in 1948 with ones being rebuilt as late as 1952.  I don't think the smooth-riding came along until they were upgraded to the 2D-P5 trucks in 1954.

The balloon roofs did not appear until 1960, so if you model the 50s or earlier they are not for you.

I was aware that the balloon roofs didn't appear until 1960, but am willing to extend my modeling era enough to have a small fleet of these for my 2 rail modeling which roughly ends in 1957.  I just love the round window at the restroom and the modern trucks that gave these cars an extended service life.  I have an Alco Models version, but a GGD one would be of great interest to me considering how much more refined the P70faR coaches are over the original GGD P70R coaches.

Then again, I have 22 P70s of various configurations as of last count. Do I really need more?  Depends on if you ask me or my wife.

This is the Alco Models P70fbR:

This is my feeble attempt at modifying a GGD P70R in the the fbR configuration.  Not a great job honestly, but a lot of lessons learned if I were to do more.  Note I did not modify underbody to change the ice AC to mechanical AC.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I was aware that the balloon roofs didn't appear until 1960, but am willing to extend my modeling era enough to have a small fleet of these for my 2 rail modeling which roughly ends in 1957.  I just love the round window at the restroom and the modern trucks that gave these cars an extended service life.  I have an Alco Models version, but a GGD one would be of great interest to me considering how much more refined the P70faR coaches are over the original GGD P70R coaches.

Then again, I have 22 P70s of various configurations as of last count. Do I really need more?  Depends on if you ask me or my wife.

This is the Alco Models P70fbR:

This is my feeble attempt at modifying a GGD P70R in the the fbR configuration.  Not a great job honestly, but a lot of lessons learned if I were to do more.  Note I did not modify underbody to change the ice AC to mechanical AC.

Very nice job!

@ThatGuy posted:

Very nice job!

Thank you!  There is a reason I don't show the other side of the car though ......   One of those I'll get back to it someday projects of which I have way too many of these days.

Definitely rerun the congressional— Powhatan arrow too

Rerun an FOM set.

- Crank

@Eccentric Crank posted:

Rerun an FOM set.

I could use one or two cars as a few were still around in the late 40s.

I was just thinking about the Pennsy Trailblazer. The cars used on that train were rebuilt heavyweights, plenty of rivets on the sides. I would guess the cars would have to be done in plastic or brass, I wonder if that would discourage Scott from making them, I hope not.

Another train to consider would be The Southwind, the cars for that train were corrugated stainless steel Budd cars painted FOM.

Well GGD made the 1938 Broadway Ltd in F.O.M. paint scheme as well as some heavyweight sleeping cars in F.O.M. paint schemes.

@CAPPilot posted:

All P70fbR coaches originally had the clerestory roofs.  When these roofs started to deteriorate, some were repaired, not by replacing them, but covering them with a sheetmetal arch that became known as the "balloon roof".  Note the PRSL never had these roofs.

P70fbR coaches started showing up in 1948 with ones being rebuilt as late as 1952.  I don't think the smooth-riding came along until they were upgraded to the 2D-P5 trucks in 1954.

The balloon roofs did not appear until 1960, so if you model the 50s or earlier they are not for you.

Thank you for filling in the additional details.  I came across the original source of my information; it was from page 47 of the soft-bound book, "The Trains to America’s Playground/Along the Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines to Atlantic City 1933 – 1976,” by William J. Coxey, Frank C. Kozempel, and James E. Kranefeld, published by the West Jersey Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society, copyright 1988.

It includes a black-and-white photograph of the interior of one of the rehabilitated coaches and noted that PRSL originally owned 72 P70s.  In 1948 the New Jersey Public Utilities Commission ordered that 60 of the cars be rehabilitated but this was dropped to 40 when the 12 new Budd RDCs  were substituted for 20 of the cars.  They got air conditioning, all new interiors, and new exterior side sheeting.  Seating dropped from 88 to 72 with the addition of two restrooms at one end of the car and an electrical cabinet, water cooler, and luggage shelves at the other end.   It summarized the change as follows: "Although the exterior changed little, these cars provided a smooth, quiet and clean ride which was far superior to the unimproved cars."

That sounds like the kind of ride passengers on our O scale trains are looking for.  I hope the P70FBr's will be manufactured.

I would have a go at a congressional set.   

I would love to see a keystone set.
I have the 1938 FOM Broadway & the 1948 Broadway from Golden gate depot.

So One thing I’m confused about with the current 1948 Broadway re-run. Scott is doing a 13 double bedroom sleeping car in the 8-car set. Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t those pre-war cars? I didn’t think the 1948 Broadway had any pre-war cars. Also the FOM Broadway sets Scott did years back did not have a 13 double bedroom sleeping car or a 10-5 sleeping car. It would be nice to get one or both of those cars. Maybe Scott can do a FOM 13 double bedroom sleeper as a separate sale add-on?

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I would love to see a keystone set.
I have the 1938 FOM Broadway & the 1948 Broadway from Golden gate depot.

So One thing I’m confused about with the current 1948 Broadway re-run. Scott is doing a 13 double bedroom sleeping car in the 8-car set. Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t those pre-war cars? I didn’t think the 1948 Broadway had any pre-war cars. Also the FOM Broadway sets Scott did years back did not have a 13 double bedroom sleeping car or a 10-5 sleeping car. It would be nice to get one or both of those cars. Maybe Scott can do a FOM 13 double bedroom sleeper as a separate sale add-on?

Well E-mail Scott. This latest Broadway Ltd. Maybe the last one for a while. Orders for this train are slow going hence the reason why in the latest newsletter the latest Broadway Ltd. Is being pushed back to 2023 production...and hopefully not any further back!

Either the Trailblazer or Congressional would grab my attention.

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Well E-mail Scott. This latest Broadway Ltd. Maybe the last one for a while. Orders for this train are slow going hence the reason why in the latest newsletter the latest Broadway Ltd. Is being pushed back to 2023 production...and hopefully not any further back!

I emailed Scott some time ago regarding this set. He said reservations were slow at that time & he wasn’t going to modify anything as of yet. Hopefully it gets made soon. I wouldn’t order the set because I have his first run. But I would love the following separate sale items:

PRR FOM pre-war 13 double bedroom add-on sleeper

PRR 21 bedroom ROOMETTE sleepers. These were not offered in the first run and are not being offered now.

re-run of the brass BM70M’s, horse, & theater cars.

anybody else want these? If there’s enough interest maybe Scott would add-them?

Well Dj's OGAUGETRAINS, I'm curious what PRR sets/cars do you jave from Golden Gate Depot?

I for one would buy those cars that you suggested;

PRR 13double bedroom FOM- since I have a 6 car set

PRR 21 bedroom roomette sleepers

PRR rerun of the brass BM70M's horse and theatre cars

Although the last one is a toughy, as 3rd rail has yet to rerun ANY BRASS plus Lionel is coming out with them (or something similar) in Plastic which may fill the market cravings at this time.

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Well Dj's OGAUGETRAINS, I'm curious what PRR sets/cars do you jave from Golden Gate Depot?

I for one would buy those cars that you suggested;

PRR 13double bedroom FOM- since I have a 6 car set

PRR 21 bedroom roomette sleepers

PRR rerun of the brass BM70M's horse and theatre cars

Although the last one is a toughy, as 3rd rail has yet to rerun ANY BRASS plus Lionel is coming out with them (or something similar) in Plastic which may fill the market cravings at this time.

I have quite a few.

as I mentioned above I have the 1938 FOM Broadway set, plus the FOM BM70M & 2 plastic FOM 12-1 sleepers

1948 Broadway 8 car set plus 4 coaches.

8 of 12 Congressional cars.

several GGD PRR plastic cars plus a brass doodlebug.

glad to see that some of you are interested in the 21 roomette sleepers. I would do one PRR & 1 PC (converted to a coach) if offered.

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Well Dj's OGAUGETRAINS, I'm curious what PRR sets/cars do you jave from Golden Gate Depot?

I for one would buy those cars that you suggested;

PRR 13double bedroom FOM- since I have a 6 car set

PRR 21 bedroom roomette sleepers

PRR rerun of the brass BM70M's horse and theatre cars

Although the last one is a toughy, as 3rd rail has yet to rerun ANY BRASS plus Lionel is coming out with them (or something similar) in Plastic which may fill the market cravings at this time.

The Brass horse and Theater cars are pretty spiffy !!!!  It’s too bad Scott isn’t doing another round of them and tie it in with the Broadway. They were expensive when issued in 2014 ! and I’m sure would be considerably more now. This one might be a tough askance. If Lionel does a run in plastic, I think that would seriously hurt a brass re-run.

@TrainBub posted:

The Brass horse and Theater cars are pretty spiffy !!!!  It’s too bad Scott isn’t doing another round of them and tie it in with the Broadway. The were expensive when issued in 2014 ! and I’m sure would be considerably more now. This one might be a tough askance. If Lionel does a run in plastic, I think  that would seriously hurt a brass re-run.

They really are, and nearly impossible to find now. I can see where Lionel’s horse car would hurt the market. Maybe we just suggest a add on brass BM70M to go with the Broadway?

it would be great if the 13 bedroom car was removed from the 8-car set and the 21 bedroom roomette added to the set.

It would be nice to see the following extra cars offered.

4-4-2 sleeper, 12-4 duplex sleeper, 21 roomette sleeper, Brass BM70M RPO.

then also do the Penn Central 21 roomette coach’s & the 13 double bedroom sleepers in Pre-war FOM & post war..... great add-on for the 2014 pre/ post war sets.

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

They really are, and nearly impossible to find now. I can see where Lionel’s horse car would hurt the market. Maybe we just suggest a add on brass BM70M to go with the Broadway?

It would be nice to see the following extra cars offered.

4-4-2 sleeper, 12-4 duplex sleeper, 21 roomette sleeper, Brass BM70M RPO.

then also do the Penn Central 21 roomette coach’s & the 13 double bedroom sleepers in Pre-war FOM & post war..... great add-on for the 2014 pre/ post war sets.

Well I will ask but don't keep your hopes up. As Scott M. stated to me earlier in the year, these next Broadway Ltd set has the smallest of the three pax sets offered hence why the latest 3rd rail [ e-mail] newsletter is now announcing the Broadway ltd set in 2023! I think we maybe lucky to get thos set run this one last time.

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Well I will ask but don't keep your hopes up. As Scott M. stated to me earlier in the year, these next Broadway Ltd set has the smallest of the three pax sets offered hence why the latest 3rd rail [ e-mail] newsletter is now announcing the Broadway ltd set in 2023! I think we maybe lucky to get thos set run this one last time.

Great! Worst that can happen is Scott says no.

and I would love to see a PRR yellow kid, A keystone, a Solarium car, & a FOM trailblazer. All at the same time!!............... ok maybe not all at the same time.