CSX FAN posted:
Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

 

Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

CSX;

I took a look, but no luck. The three volumes primarily show motive power. You’ve probably seen this, but this is the only reference I found on line:

https://wsrrm.wordpress.com/author/wsmuseum/

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briansilvermustang posted:

 

In 1963, the bankrupt New Haven Railroad acquired 12 nearly new electric locomotives from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway at the bargain price of $300,000 total and used them to haul freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn). I'm appreciative of Mike Wolf and MTH for having made numerous models of New Haven Railroad locomotives.

MELGAR

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Melgar, As am I. But I still hold out hope for a RK Imp I-5. I believe it would sell out immediately given the general interest in the NY NH & H, and the activity on this thread. And while we're fantasizing, how about some of the heavy freight steam locos from the Maybrook division. Wouldn't that be cool. How many Big Boys, K -4s and Js do we need. I'd love to see an L class Santa Fe. Nothing more imposing than a ten coupled behemoth with a long drag. Ah well, maybe Christmas wishes will come true.

Yes, Tom, I would like to see some more scale-sized New Haven O gauge steam engine models. Weaver has made an I-4 Pacific and an I-5 Hudson, but I would like to have the latter from MTH. And Lionel made a USRA Mountain type that the New Haven had. The other New Haven steamer types which, as far as I know, have not yet been made as accurate scale-sized models are Atlantics, Moguls, Consolidations, Mikados and Santa Fes. Given the cost and market for such products these days, I don't expect the larger types to be produced - but maybe the Atlantics and Moguls.

MELGAR

FireOne posted:

I have developed a strange love for New Haven, but please don't tell my western railroads (DRG&W, Santa Fe & Western Pacific).  Can't explain it.

Chris S.

One good reason is, objectively speaking, the McGuiness livery of New Haven trains is drop dead gorgeous.

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Arnold D. Cribari posted:
FireOne posted:

I have developed a strange love for New Haven, but please don't tell my western railroads (DRG&W, Santa Fe & Western Pacific).  Can't explain it.

Chris S.

One good reason is, objectively speaking, the McGuiness livery of New Haven trains is drop dead gorgeous.

I totally agree, Arnold... but I have to admit that the dark green and gold is really growing on me too.

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MELGAR posted:
briansilvermustang posted:

 

In 1963, the bankrupt New Haven Railroad acquired 12 nearly new electric locomotives from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway at the bargain price of $300,000 total and used them to haul freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn). I'm appreciative of Mike Wolf and MTH for having made numerous models of New Haven Railroad locomotives.

MELGAR

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Like the paint scheme, not a fan of those “flat top” electrics.

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MELGAR posted:
briansilvermustang posted:

 

 

My MTH Premier New Haven EP3 353 sits in a case on my desk since the day I bought it.

MELGAR

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I need to ask what might be a dumb question but I'm asking anyway because I feel like learning this afternoon.

The question is: What was the purpose of the extended pilots with the platforms on the prototype engines?  I understand that the purpose of a pilot is to guide the locomotive into curves, but these pilots seem unique in their overall length, and the fact that a usable platform (with guardrails) was built above them.  

Wouldn't it have made sense to allow the pilot to remain, pretty much as they were, but eliminate the handrails and extend the cab out over the pilots?  Doing so would have either increased the cab space for the crew OR would have created revenue-generating baggage space for parcels and other cargo.  Sort of like having the first baggage car in the consist integral to the engine.

I should add that I realize the pilot would need to remain free swinging so either the cab or some other part would need to be articulated OR the cab would simply be "over" the pilot but not touching it.  I also realize this might introduce some untenable overhang issues but that pilot is so pronounced that I have to ask the question: Why such a large front porch?

I know I don't know the full story, so I'm asking.  Why this unusual design?

Thanks.

Steven J. Serenska

Apples55 posted:
CSX FAN posted:
Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

 

Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

CSX;

I took a look, but no luck. The three volumes primarily show motive power. You’ve probably seen this, but this is the only reference I found on line:

https://wsrrm.wordpress.com/author/wsmuseum/

Yes that is our group. It is just amazing that a SP Lark car or a New Haven business car running around for years and there are no photo's of the car.  The car is over 50% restored now so it will be photo'd alot more once we have it in full service. 

Thank you for looking. A group in california has all the corporate/ Pullman, SP photo's but I could never get a return phone call. Shore Lark has a inside photo. 

CSX FAN posted:

I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days.

Not sure this will help, but there is a picture of New Haven Business Car #2 on page 531 of "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by J. W. Swanberg. I do find photos of business cars #1, #2 and #4 in other New Haven Railroad references, but nothing on #3.

Upon further checking on the website of the New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association nhrhta.org, Volume 26 Issues 1 and 2 (1995) of "Shoreliner," the Association's quarterly publication, have articles containing a total of 27 pages about the history of New Haven's business cars. From the main page of the website, select "What has been published in "Shoreliner," then select "Passenger Cars" and look under Volume 26. Then look at the "contacts" page for whom to contact. These articles will probably be the best information available. Sorry, but I don't have them.

MELGAR

Santa Claus delivered an A-B-A set of MTH New Haven FA-1’s Tuesday.  I’ve been wanting a set of FA’s in this paint scheme for what seemed like forever.  

I’ve also attached a photo of an earlier acquisition - an MTH New Haven GP9 in the McGinnis scheme.  I don’t dislike this paint scheme but; the earlier Hunter Green and yellow just screams class to me.

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This photo shows the New Haven Railroad's "Comet" train at the Canaan Union Depot in North Canaan, Connecticut. The train is headed southbound on the track of the former Housatonic Railroad which was leased by the New Haven in 1892 and which ran between Pittsfield, Massachusetts, Danbury and Norwalk, CT. The track in the foreground was formerly owned by the Central New England Railway which ran from Hartford, CT, across the Hudson River to Maybrook, New York and was acquired by the New Haven in 1904. The tracks crossed at a ninety-degree angle at the corner of the depot. The Canaan Union Depot was built in 1872 and retained passenger service until 1971. The elegant Victorian station was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1972 and was partially destroyed by fire in 2001. Rehabilitation began in 2014 and, to the best of my knowledge, is complete or nearly so. The "Comet" diesel-electric train operated on the New Haven Railroad between 1935 and 1951 - first between Providence, RI and Boston, and later in local service.

MELGAR

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

I'll second that about the earlier paint schemes. Personally i find the McGuiness scheme the least attractive of all the New Haven paint schemes! (Or, not caring if i offend anyone, plain butt ugly).

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biscuitag97 posted:

Sunset 3rd rail just announced FA units arriving later this year. New Haven McGinnis FA-1 is looking like a gem. 

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ALCOFA 

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MELGAR posted:

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

And speaking of bad influences, MELGAR... while I like the McGuiness scheme (it IS NOT butt ugly!!!), I have to agree that I’d like the orange/hunter/silver scheme - I think the hunter/gold would look too close to the recent PA offering. 

Scott is killing me. And you guys ain’t helping!!!

Paul

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Paul - Send Scott an e-mail with your recommendation.

I don't think the New Haven McGuiness scheme is ugly but it has been offered on most New Haven locomotive models, while the earlier schemes, which are more elegant, have been done much less often. My new layout is representative of the 1940s and early 1950s - before the McGuiness scheme arrived.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:
biscuitag97 posted:

Sunset 3rd rail just announced FA units arriving later this year. New Haven McGinnis FA-1 is looking like a gem. 

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ALCOFA 

If no one has told you, Biscuit, you are a bad influence  

MELGAR posted:

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

And speaking of bad influences, MELGAR... while I like the McGuiness scheme (it IS NOT butt ugly!!!), I have to agree that I’d like the orange/hunter/silver scheme - I think the hunter/gold would look too close to the recent PA offering. 

Scott is killing me. And you guys ain’t helping!!!

Paul,

It appears so! Although I'm happy to see any New Haven in O Scale. As stated above, the older orange scheme would be a nice change up from the more commonly modeled McGinnis. They would also look good pulling some NH freight or the osgood bradley lightweights. If anyone gets an update from Scott saying he would be willing to produce New Haven FA's in either of the two older schemes, please post it on this thread. And as always, LONG LIVE THE NEW HAVEN!!   

briansilvermustang posted:

 

This is a good one! I'm also interested in the concrete New Haven signal station behind the truck. I'm now building the Trainworx New Haven tower kit and have been looking for whatever photos I can find. This photo was not taken on the main line between New York City and New Haven, as there is no catenary.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

Thanks Brian,

With all the New Haven tower pictures I've looked at, this one appears to be closest to the Trainworx model. Although many New Haven towers had the Spanish tile pagoda roof and were constructed from concrete, they differ in length, width, number of windows and placement of doors on the second floor. Some of them also had three levels instead of the usual two.

MELGAR

I’m a fan of the McGinnis paint scheme. In fact I bought Lionel’s Conventional Classics when I was still deep into conventional control. Swamped them for Lionel’s Alco PA with TMCC. Had the chance to buy an AA set of Scott’s FL9 at York a few years back from Vince so you know it was a good price but due to finances at the time I passed on them. Regretted it ever since and have been searching for them. Missed a set at Western Depot too. Hopefully I will find a set someday. Look forward to the FA’s. 

By the way, not opposed to the green and gold scheme either. 

Mike

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