MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (

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Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

George

Seacoast posted:
MELGAR posted:


Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

The 12'-by-8' layout has three separate sets of loops with passing sidings on the two outer loops. The curves on the three sets of loops are Atlas O-72, O-54 and O-36. There are ten-inch straight track sections and 1-3/4" straight sections inserted into the curves which expand the width of the outer loop to about 92 inches instead of 72 inches. The tracks beneath the bridges leading to the tunnels are just for parking trains and do not operate. The FL-9 is by Sunset/3rd Rail.

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 The caption reads:

FL9 no. 2000 coming through Woodlawn milepost 12 pulling the Mayflower to GCT. Year unknown probably around 1960”.

Paul,

Nice photo.

So, here is the FL9 and its train going under the Nereid Ave bridge...in the distance is the flyover which carries southbound New Haven trains over and onto the New York Central's trackage, joining the Central's Harlem Division right here.

Here is the flyover:

FL9 and flyover

Tom 

Nice catch, Tom. I went through there quite a few times when I road the Harlem Line in the last years of my indentured servitude!!! Interestingly enough, I immediately recognized the commercial building on the upper right - I swear some of those box cars were still there in the early 2000’s    

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If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

Tom 

 

MNCW posted:

If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

Tom 

 

I’m sure Vol. II will have many more FL9’s... (sorry Tom - couldn’t resist)

But seriously... I picked up Tom’s book at the White Plains Train Show last December and it is a treasure trove of info and wonderful pictures from the steam era (some nice NYC action) to current diesels/electrics - well worth the price.

Paul

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Another Facebook gem... unfortunately in b&w. The caption reads:

”New York, New Haven & Hartford Alco No. 0773. Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C. photo”.

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Sunset/3rd Rail New Haven Railroad ALCO PA1 0771 – MELGAR

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I posted this on its own, but am taking Paul's good suggestion to re-post it here for better results:

I'm curious as to whether New Haven ever completed repainting the Pullman-Standard postwar lightweight passenger cars (which featured fluted stainless steel siding with a hunter green window panel and letterboards) into the McGinnis red.  Are there any New Haven experts out there who would care to comment on whether any cars remained hunter green until Amtrak day?  Just curious.

Tom

 

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I'm curious as to whether New Haven ever completed repainting the Pullman-Standard postwar lightweight passenger cars (which featured fluted stainless steel siding with a hunter green window panel and letterboards) into the McGinnis red.  Are there any New Haven experts out there who would care to comment on whether any cars remained hunter green until Amtrak day?  Just curious.

Tom,

In "The New Haven Railroad in the McGinnis Era" by Mark J. Frattasio (2003) on page 134 is a photograph of a New Haven Pullman-Standard postwar streamlined stainless steel sheathed passenger car with fluted sides and the red-orange window band with modernized "NH" logo. Part of the caption states: "None of the New Haven's stainless steel sheathed passenger cars escaped getting the new image treatment. All of these cars got the new image colors and logo as a group during the summer of 1955."

I cannot now independently verify the accuracy of this statement and will post in this thread any further information that I find...

MELGAR

Further clarification on the window band colors:

On page 90 of "The New Haven's Streamline Passenger Fleet 1934-1953," by Geoffrey Doughty, referring to the "Postwar Pullmans," he states: "...very few made it into Amtrak Service."

On pages 113 and 114, Doughty shows photos (taken in 1967 and '68) of two sleeping cars in the "Beach" series with unpainted window bands. On page 120, he states that under Penn Central "many of the postwar stainless steel cars" ... received ... "a green stripe where the McGinnis red-orange had been in the window section of the car."

On page 538 of "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by Alvin Stauffer, the author shows a photo of one of the 27 "Point" series sleepers and states that they were the "only New Haven sleepers with a painted window band that was olive green as built but repainted red-orange under the McGinnis administration."

So, that is the window band color story as best I can ascertain it.

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MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

 

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This certainly was the “deal of the century” since the Virginian had paid about 200K per loco just a few years before!

Peter

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

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Apples55 posted:
MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

The New Haven Railroad ran freight trains to the 65th Street Yard in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn from 1927 to 1968. Trains came off the New York Connecting Railroad (Hellgate Bridge), passed through Fresh Pond in Queens and ran on electrified trackage through Brooklyn to carfloats which carried freight cars to and from New Jersey.

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Apples55 posted:

I hate to admit it, but I am beginning to like Facebook... well the train groups anyway!!! Here is another gem from my feed today... the caption reads:

“New Haven No. 322, a 1927 Baldwin-Westinghouse Electric at Danbury, Connecticut, on its way to Norwalk and then on to New York City. No. 322 was scrapped in 1958”.

This is a real beauty!!! For some reason, I love boxcabs.

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Paul,

I've studiously avoided going on Facebook but your posts from that site are very interesting. The electrification between Norwalk and Danbury was shut down when electric motors such as this EP-2 were replaced by FL-9 diesel-electrics.

MELGAR

My brother and I are huge NHRR fans...our grandfather worked for the NH for 50 years and retired in the 50's.  Once he retired, he'd take us down to the Charles Street Roundhouse to see the engines and catch up with his work friends.  One fond memory was the day I was able to run the turntable with an engine on it...or at least the operator made me believe I was running it...many great memories of grandfather and the NHRR.  We've lost track of the pictures he had of the yard....hopefully the pics will pop up some day.

Paul

In response to a question on another thread I posted the following:

There are two locations along the Northeast Corridor in Connecticut where the train passes along a beach. The most famous one is at Rocky Neck State Park in East Lyme, CT and was a frequent subject of photographers in the days of the New Haven Railroad. A short distance away, the tracks pass along a beach on Niantic Bay in Niantic, CT. I took the picture below of Rocky Neck Beach from an Amtrak train on the way to Boston... On a warm summer day it is jammed with beach goers.

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Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

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Those FL-9s look clean and have decent paint considering that the New Haven had been in bankruptcy for about 7 years when this photo supposedly was taken and only another 5 months or so remained until it was merged into Penn Central.

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Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

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briansilvermustang posted:
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I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

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          thanks Melgar !

I think this New Haven checkerboard livery is very attractive, but my recollection is that it never existed on real New Haven trains. Is that true?

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

MELGAR posted:
Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

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MELGAR;

I hesitate to point out that your FL-9 is as clean and spiffy as my pic  

But seriously, I was hunting around online and found that the 2033 was built 09/1960, so the photo may be a rare artifact of the one and only time the engine appeared in that condition!!! Here is a link to a page I found with info on NH engines...

http://rrpicturearchives.net/l...cture.aspx?id=225030

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The latest gem from my Facebook feed today (really wish it was in color!!!)... the caption reads:

New York, New Haven and Hartford Alco DL-109 No. 0751. The DL-109 had twin 6-cylinder ALCO 539T Diesel engines and was rated at 2,000 hp”.

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briansilvermustang posted:
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Looks like one of these odd-balls survived into the Amtrak days... from my Facebook feed today. The caption reads:

”Amtrak No. 27, formerly New Haven No. 140, built in February 1957, shown here at Springfield, Massachusetts, November 30, 1975”.

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            ”Amtrak No. 27, formerly New Haven No. 140, built in February 1957                            

                    

The Roger Williams was a streamlined, six car, lightweight, DMU passenger train, built by the Budd Company in 1956 for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The train was based on Budd's successful RDC DMU cars. The end two cars were equipped with streamlined locomotive style cabs and noses, resembling those on the Fairbanks-Morse P-12-42 Diesel locomotives. The four intermediate cars lacked operating controls and cabs.

For operation into Grand Central Terminal, the cars were each equipped with third-rail shoes, and small traction motors, allowing them to operate into the terminal under electric power, with their engines shut down.

After a short period of time in high speed service, the train was split up, and the cars were used in service with the New Haven's other RDCs. They worked for the New Haven, Penn Central, and Amtrak, until the last cars were retired in the 1980s. In the 1970s, Amtrak used several ex-Roger Williams cars on the New Haven–Boston Bay State.

 

2933176D-8728-409A-BDD4-848BAAC2C14CNH #140 now sitting at Hobo RR in Lincoln New Hampshire. I took this photo this past Saturday.

George

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ALCo DL-109 locomotives began arriving on the New Haven Railroad in 1941 and saw heavy use during World War 2 pulling main line passenger trains during the day and freight trains at night. New Haven DER-1 (Diesel-Electric-Road) #0719 is an old MTH model with PS2 and a BCR. I have always enjoyed listening to its ALCo engine startup sounds and its rough idle which can be heard on this video as the engine crosses the trestle and also as it enters the tunnel at about 14 miles-per-hour.

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Putnam Division posted:

Found a whole group of New Haven photos going through my files....one or two may be a duplicate from earlier....

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Enjoy,

Peter

These are great photos, Peter. Thanks for sharing.  Does anyone know the location where the photo above was taken?

Steven J. Serenska

Pat Kn posted:

Very interesting picture. First, I thought it was a model. Then I caught the Pennsy baggage car. Third, I guess I shouldn't be so anal about keeping the doors closed on my models.

Pat in this case is it a baggage car or a RPO car?  I can see open doors on a RPO car since there would be workers on board.

Ron

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