A great photo from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

An A-B-A set of freight diesels at Cedar Hill Engine Terminal, New Haven, Connecticut, June 5, 1949. Built by Alco-GE as part of an order of 30 units. (Lawson Hill)”

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A great photo from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

An A-B-A set of freight diesels at Cedar Hill Engine Terminal, New Haven, Connecticut, June 5, 1949. Built by Alco-GE as part of an order of 30 units. (Lawson Hill)”

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Sorry, but I don't have a New Haven FA A-B-A in the orange color scheme.

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This EP-3 model sits in a display case on my desk.

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I have to agree with you about "new things" with one exception: IMO those ugly paint schemes. I know color is a matter of taste, but I preferred the traditional green/gold.

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A great shot from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

Former CDOT FL9M #2026 leads Cape Cod Central Railroad's Coastal Excursion train into West Barnstable (MA) Station.

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Facebook continues to be a source of great pics... the caption on this one reads:

“New York, New Haven & Hartford Motorcar No. 9.“

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A great shot from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

Former CDOT FL9M #2026 leads Cape Cod Central Railroad's Coastal Excursion train into West Barnstable (MA) Station.

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New Haven FL-9 2043 passes the grade crossing on my 10’-by-5’ layout.

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Say what you will, but the New Haven Railroad in the McGuiness era was willing to try new things.

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Too willing IMO !!  In the fall of '55, Mr McG decided that since there were no more steam engines, the railroad no longer needed enginehouses.  That was my freshman year in college in Boston living near New York.  Then comes a cold snowy winter.  Last Friday before Christmas, one of the big travel days, verryy cccold.;  Went down to South station with plenty of time to make the 4:00 train to New York.  Got on the 3:00pm train which had been waiting for power.  Arrived in NY over seven hours later on a 4:30 schedule - probably the highest ever passenger-hours lost to power failures.  I don't think the locomotive maintenance people were ready for working outdoors in the winter.   I'm all for new ideas, but first check the facts !!!  

Another one from my Facebook feed - I really don’t know how I feel about them... definitely different!!!

The caption reads:

”New Haven 140, the Roger Williams.

The Roger Williams was a streamlined, six car, lightweight, DMU passenger train, built by the Budd Company in 1956 for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The train ran between Boston, Massachusetts and Washington, DC. The train was based on Budd's successful RDC DMU cars. The end two cars were equipped with streamlined locomotive style cabs and noses, resembling those on the Fairbanks-Morse P-12-42 Diesel locomotives. The four intermediate cars lacked operating controls and cabs”

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Another one from my Facebook feed - I really don’t know how I feel about them... definitely different!!!

The caption reads:

”New Haven 140, the Roger Williams.

The Roger Williams was a streamlined, six car, lightweight, DMU passenger train, built by the Budd Company in 1956 for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The train ran between Boston, Massachusetts and Washington, DC. The train was based on Budd's successful RDC DMU cars. The end two cars were equipped with streamlined locomotive style cabs and noses, resembling those on the Fairbanks-Morse P-12-42 Diesel locomotives. The four intermediate cars lacked operating controls and cabs”

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Under the New Haven Railroad, the Roger Williams first ran between Boston and New York City and later to Springfield, Massachusetts but never to Washington, DC. After the demise of the New Haven Railroad in 1969, one of the cars ran in commuter service in the Washington, DC area. Facebook is posting interesting pictures of the NYNH&HRR.

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You are correct, MELGAR... here are two more from Facebook today...

The first is not one of my favorite engines... I like the paint scheme, but don’t care for boxy overall appearance and the “flat top” by the pantograph (the NH should have gone with GG-1’s!!!). The caption reads:

”New Haven EF-4 Electrics Nos. 310 and 308.

Twelve EF-4's were built by General Electric in August of 1955. They were the first successful production locomotives to use Ignitron (mercury arc) rectifier technology. Although they proved to be a very successful design, no more EF-4's were ever built, due to the small number of railroads that had electrification and the advent of improved electric locomotive technology”.

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The second is more up my line. The caption reads:

FL9 no. 2000 coming through Woodlawn milepost 12 pulling the Mayflower to GCT. Year unknown probably around 1960”.

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They were built for the Virginian then acquired by the Norfolk & Western until being sold to the New Haven and then to Penn Central and ending their careers on Conrail. Williams made a creditable model of these although the body is slightly tall to accommodate the vertical motors.1473217799660

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In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

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The caption reads:

FL9 no. 2000 coming through Woodlawn milepost 12 pulling the Mayflower to GCT. Year unknown probably around 1960”.

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Paul,

Nice photo.

So, here is the FL9 and its train going under the Nereid Ave bridge...in the distance is the flyover which carries southbound New Haven trains over and onto the New York Central's trackage, joining the Central's Harlem Division right here.

Here is the flyover:

FL9 and flyover

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In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (

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Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

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Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

The 12'-by-8' layout has three separate sets of loops with passing sidings on the two outer loops. The curves on the three sets of loops are Atlas O-72, O-54 and O-36. There are ten-inch straight track sections and 1-3/4" straight sections inserted into the curves which expand the width of the outer loop to about 92 inches instead of 72 inches. The tracks beneath the bridges leading to the tunnels are just for parking trains and do not operate. The FL-9 is by Sunset/3rd Rail.

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 The caption reads:

FL9 no. 2000 coming through Woodlawn milepost 12 pulling the Mayflower to GCT. Year unknown probably around 1960”.

Paul,

Nice photo.

So, here is the FL9 and its train going under the Nereid Ave bridge...in the distance is the flyover which carries southbound New Haven trains over and onto the New York Central's trackage, joining the Central's Harlem Division right here.

Here is the flyover:

FL9 and flyover

Tom 

Nice catch, Tom. I went through there quite a few times when I road the Harlem Line in the last years of my indentured servitude!!! Interestingly enough, I immediately recognized the commercial building on the upper right - I swear some of those box cars were still there in the early 2000’s    

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Another Facebook gem... unfortunately in b&w. The caption reads:

”New York, New Haven & Hartford Alco No. 0773. Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C. photo”.

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My Facebook feed comes through again!!! This is one of a series of beautiful EMD engine artwork pics that has been featured the last few days. The caption reads:

“New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad EMD FL9 Passenger Locomotive No. 2001, built in 1957.

Artwork by the Electro-Motive Staff Artist Ben Dedek”.

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If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

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If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

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I’m sure Vol. II will have many more FL9’s... (sorry Tom - couldn’t resist)

But seriously... I picked up Tom’s book at the White Plains Train Show last December and it is a treasure trove of info and wonderful pictures from the steam era (some nice NYC action) to current diesels/electrics - well worth the price.

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Another Facebook gem... unfortunately in b&w. The caption reads:

”New York, New Haven & Hartford Alco No. 0773. Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C. photo”.

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Sunset/3rd Rail New Haven Railroad ALCO PA1 0771 – MELGAR

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I posted this on its own, but am taking Paul's good suggestion to re-post it here for better results:

I'm curious as to whether New Haven ever completed repainting the Pullman-Standard postwar lightweight passenger cars (which featured fluted stainless steel siding with a hunter green window panel and letterboards) into the McGinnis red.  Are there any New Haven experts out there who would care to comment on whether any cars remained hunter green until Amtrak day?  Just curious.

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I'm curious as to whether New Haven ever completed repainting the Pullman-Standard postwar lightweight passenger cars (which featured fluted stainless steel siding with a hunter green window panel and letterboards) into the McGinnis red.  Are there any New Haven experts out there who would care to comment on whether any cars remained hunter green until Amtrak day?  Just curious.

Tom,

In "The New Haven Railroad in the McGinnis Era" by Mark J. Frattasio (2003) on page 134 is a photograph of a New Haven Pullman-Standard postwar streamlined stainless steel sheathed passenger car with fluted sides and the red-orange window band with modernized "NH" logo. Part of the caption states: "None of the New Haven's stainless steel sheathed passenger cars escaped getting the new image treatment. All of these cars got the new image colors and logo as a group during the summer of 1955."

I cannot now independently verify the accuracy of this statement and will post in this thread any further information that I find...

MELGAR

Further clarification on the window band colors:

On page 90 of "The New Haven's Streamline Passenger Fleet 1934-1953," by Geoffrey Doughty, referring to the "Postwar Pullmans," he states: "...very few made it into Amtrak Service."

On pages 113 and 114, Doughty shows photos (taken in 1967 and '68) of two sleeping cars in the "Beach" series with unpainted window bands. On page 120, he states that under Penn Central "many of the postwar stainless steel cars" ... received ... "a green stripe where the McGinnis red-orange had been in the window section of the car."

On page 538 of "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by Alvin Stauffer, the author shows a photo of one of the 27 "Point" series sleepers and states that they were the "only New Haven sleepers with a painted window band that was olive green as built but repainted red-orange under the McGinnis administration."

So, that is the window band color story as best I can ascertain it.

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In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

 

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This certainly was the “deal of the century” since the Virginian had paid about 200K per loco just a few years before!

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In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

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In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

The New Haven Railroad ran freight trains to the 65th Street Yard in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn from 1927 to 1968. Trains came off the New York Connecting Railroad (Hellgate Bridge), passed through Fresh Pond in Queens and ran on electrified trackage through Brooklyn to carfloats which carried freight cars to and from New Jersey.

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I hate to admit it, but I am beginning to like Facebook... well the train groups anyway!!! Here is another gem from my feed today... the caption reads:

“New Haven No. 322, a 1927 Baldwin-Westinghouse Electric at Danbury, Connecticut, on its way to Norwalk and then on to New York City. No. 322 was scrapped in 1958”.

This is a real beauty!!! For some reason, I love boxcabs.

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I hate to admit it, but I am beginning to like Facebook... well the train groups anyway!!! Here is another gem from my feed today... the caption reads:

“New Haven No. 322, a 1927 Baldwin-Westinghouse Electric at Danbury, Connecticut, on its way to Norwalk and then on to New York City. No. 322 was scrapped in 1958”.

This is a real beauty!!! For some reason, I love boxcabs.

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Paul,

I've studiously avoided going on Facebook but your posts from that site are very interesting. The electrification between Norwalk and Danbury was shut down when electric motors such as this EP-2 were replaced by FL-9 diesel-electrics.

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My brother and I are huge NHRR fans...our grandfather worked for the NH for 50 years and retired in the 50's.  Once he retired, he'd take us down to the Charles Street Roundhouse to see the engines and catch up with his work friends.  One fond memory was the day I was able to run the turntable with an engine on it...or at least the operator made me believe I was running it...many great memories of grandfather and the NHRR.  We've lost track of the pictures he had of the yard....hopefully the pics will pop up some day.

Paul

In response to a question on another thread I posted the following:

There are two locations along the Northeast Corridor in Connecticut where the train passes along a beach. The most famous one is at Rocky Neck State Park in East Lyme, CT and was a frequent subject of photographers in the days of the New Haven Railroad. A short distance away, the tracks pass along a beach on Niantic Bay in Niantic, CT. I took the picture below of Rocky Neck Beach from an Amtrak train on the way to Boston... On a warm summer day it is jammed with beach goers.

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