There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

Arnold, love your signature.  "In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind."

My kids sent me one a few years ago that I always like to quote;

I live in my own little world.  But it's OK, they know me there.

Dan Padova

 

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Dan Padova posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

Arnold, love your signature.  "In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind."

My kids sent me one a few years ago that I always like to quote;

I live in my own little world.  But it's OK, they know me there.

Dan, I love your signature too.

In addition to O Gauge trains, another passion of mine is songwriting. "In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind" is a lyric in my song that is played during a video of Phil Klopp's magnificent train layout on YouTube. You can access the video/song by going on YouTube, typing in the search box Arnold Cribari, and clicking on Model Train Song Who Am I Rollin' By.

I will also send you the link if I can remember how to do that.

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The EP-5's were almost exclusively used on passenger trains and occasionally mail and express trains.  Three EP-5's wound up in freight service under Penn Central.

Source: EP-5 Jets - Classic Power No. 9 by Joe Cunningham.  Published by N.J. International 1991.

Rusty

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

Urgent: if I can justify running my milk train with a New Haven EP5, it could save me $600 because then I would not have to buy the Lionel postwar F3 A & B units! Can the milk train be pulled by the EP5?LOL

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

Rusty Traque posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The EP-5's were almost exclusively used on passenger trains and occasionally mail and express trains.  Three EP-5's wound up in freight service under Penn Central.

Source: EP-5 Jets - Classic Power No. 9 by Joe Cunningham.  Published by N.J. International 1991.

Rusty

Thanks Rusty, you have answered my question.

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The only "flaw" I see is running a PRR caboose instead of a NH caboose on the train.  However, it is your world and anything goes.  You have a beautiful layout.  Thanks for sharing.

NH Joe

Arnold,

I enjoy your musings... On a more serious note, New Haven was an ALCO road during the steam and diesel eras and did not own any EMD F-series diesels until they bought the FL-9 locomotives beginning in 1955 - same year as they got the EP-5s which were intended for passenger service into Grand Central Terminal, as Rusty said. ALCO S-2 and RS-3 diesels would be more appropriate during the early 1950s - and also electric freight engines such as the EF-3s. MTH has made models of each of these types. The New Haven Safe Milk Company shipped milk - possibly on the main line into New York City but I think that much more milk traffic came down from Vermont on the Rutland and New York Central. Doesn't matter - run whatever tweaks your imagination as long as it says NH...

MELGAR

New Haven Joe posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The only "flaw" I see is running a PRR caboose instead of a NH caboose on the train.  However, it is your world and anything goes.  You have a beautiful layout.  Thanks for sharing.

NH Joe

Joe, I totally agree with you. I will try hunt for a New Haven caboose. Problem is, I don't think Luonel made a post war New Haven caboose or even a NY Central  post war caboose. Maybe K Line or other company made them.

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

MELGAR posted:

Arnold,

I enjoy your musings... On a more serious note, New Haven was an ALCO road during the steam and diesel eras and did not own any EMD F-series diesels until they bought the FL-9 locomotives beginning in 1955 - same year as they got the EP-5s which were intended for passenger service into Grand Central Terminal, as Rusty said. ALCO S-2 and RS-3 diesels would be more appropriate during the early 1950s - and also electric freight engines such as the EF-3s. MTH has made models of each of these types. The New Haven Safe Milk Company shipped milk - possibly on the main line into New York City but I think that much more milk traffic came down from Vermont on the Rutland and New York Central. Doesn't matter - run whatever tweaks your imagination as long as it says NH...

MELGAR

You should be a railroad historian, Melgar, thanks for the information!

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:
New Haven Joe posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The only "flaw" I see is running a PRR caboose instead of a NH caboose on the train.  However, it is your world and anything goes.  You have a beautiful layout.  Thanks for sharing.

NH Joe

Joe, I totally agree with you. I will try hunt for a New Haven caboose. Problem is, I don't think Luonel made a post war New Haven caboose or even a NY Central  post war caboose. Maybe K Line or other company made them.

Williams by Bachmann makes a copy of the post war NH cabooses.  I don't know if Lionel ever made a NH caboose in the post war era.  The Williams model may be a reproduction of a Lionel post war caboose painted in NH colors.  I will check with my TCA friends next week to see if anyone knows if Lionel made a NH caboose during the post war era.  I own modern nicely detailed NH cabooses by Atlas, MTH, and K-Line.  I don't recall if I have a Lionel NH caboose.  I will check to see if I have one.

The photo shows a Williams SD pulling a Williams caboose on the G&O garden railroad.  I still have the engine but I sold the caboose some time ago.

NH Joe

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I had this custom painted a couple weeks ago from a old MPC shell. I later swapped frames with a TMCC Pennsy Tuscan GP7 with TMCC . The screw holes were broken on the Tuscan shell and was unable to find a replacement so now the New haven Geep has TMCC.

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Gene H posted:

I had this custom painted a couple weeks ago from a old MPC shell. I later swapped frames with a TMCC Pennsy Tuscan GP7 with TMCC . The screw holes were broken on the Tuscan shell and was unable to find a replacement so now the New haven Geep has TMCC.

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Looks great, Gene. Excellent work. 

 

 

 

 

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Serenska posted:
pokey493 posted:

I have been a New Haven fan as long as I can remember. Born and raised in Lebanon, Ct. the ‘Air Line’ ran alongside my grandparents farm. The flood in 1955 that took out a bridge in Putnam, Ct. all but put an end to any trains from Willimantic to Middletown, Ct. except for the occasional Budd car that went through. I bought a piece of the farm from my grandmother in the late 70’s continuing to raise beef cattle and turkeys and named the farm Air Line Acres. I still live here and continue to bale the hay from the fields that my grandparents once worked. I’ve been told that after the 1938 hurricane I5 hudsons ran the Air Line until the shoreline was repaired. The Air Line is now a walking trail and I can only imagine what the White Train must have looked like going through the meadow. 

Keith

Keith:

Thanks for sharing these remembrances. Next time you're out on the "back 40", please take your camera and take a few pictures of your family's place, plus the walking trail, particularly where it crossed the meadow.  I know we'd all like to see it.

Steven J. Serenska

Decided to brave the cold today and snap some photos. 

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This view is from the hayfield looking at the Air Line.

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From the Air Line looking at the hayfield.

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This is on the Air Line looking northeast.

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This is on the Air Line looking southwest.

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Decided to brave the cold today and snap some photos. 

 

This is on the Air Line looking northeast.

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This is on the Air Line looking southwest.

In my opinion, these are the most significant NYNH&HRR photos ever posted on this thread.

MELGAR

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

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briansilvermustang posted:

Can't get enough of the New Haven. I have always loved the orange, black and white, which is as gorgeous as it gets, but it's also nice to see the other liveries, which I'm not as familiar with.

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Apples55 posted:

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

APPLES55,

POKEY493's pictures show what remains of a part of the New Haven's history that few people now recall or bother to investigate. As much as I like all the other pictures and comments on this thread, they can be found in many other places - books, on line and videos. POKEY493's pictures are unique. I sure would like to be able to walk along the airline...

MELGAR

MELGAR thank you for the kind words. I’ve been drawn to trains for as long as I can remember. Living within walking distance from the Air Line only made my interest in railroads greater. As I already stated the traffic on New Havens Air Line had already dwindled to occasional at best, when I was a boy. I remember the day that the crews came through pulling up the rails and taking the ties that could be reused. So happy to see a train but so sick to see the aftermath, I felt like crying. I’m glad that people are able to walk the Rails to Trails and enjoy the same woodlands and farmland the the passengers on the White Train saw outside their windows as they went from New York to Boston in 6hrs. in the 1890’s. My father told me after World War II the Line saw little use. I didn’t mean to highjack this thread I plan to have my own O gauge New Haven layout someday.

MELGAR posted:
Apples55 posted:

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

APPLES55,

POKEY493's pictures show what remains of a part of the New Haven's history that few people now recall or bother to investigate. As much as I like all the other pictures and comments on this thread, they can be found in many other places - books, on line and videos. POKEY493's pictures are unique. I sure would like to be able to walk along the airline...

MELGAR

Well, MELGAR, now you've gone and done it... as a life long history fan, you are going to make me start doing some research on the NH as well as the Air Line!!! 

Thanks for your perspective.

Paul

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Apples55 posted:
MELGAR posted:
Apples55 posted:

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

APPLES55,

POKEY493's pictures show what remains of a part of the New Haven's history that few people now recall or bother to investigate. As much as I like all the other pictures and comments on this thread, they can be found in many other places - books, on line and videos. POKEY493's pictures are unique. I sure would like to be able to walk along the airline...

MELGAR

Well, MELGAR, now you've gone and done it... as a life long history fan, you are going to make me start doing some research on the NH as well as the Air Line!!! 

Thanks for your perspective.

APPLES55,

It's not the first time I've gotten blamed for something!

In my opinion, the book which best covers the history and development of the NYNH&HRR is "Connecticut Railroads: An Illustrated History" by Gregg Turner and Melancthon Jacobus. It details all the Connecticut railroads that eventually became part of the New Haven, including the Boston & New York Air Line Railroad, which ran diagonally across the State and was a shorter route between New York, New Haven and Boston than the main route along the shoreline that is in use today.

Another resource is "New Haven Power 1838 - 1968" by J. W. Swanberg, which covers in great written and photographic detail all the New Haven's locomotive and car types up to the 1969 merger of the New Haven into the Penn Central.

Send me an e-mail if you want some help in locating these books.

MELGAR 

 

Again i'll make my request for help. As stated in an earlier post i'm need of some good photos of the roof detail s on an EP3 "Flatbottom". I'm attempting to model one in traditional "0" size using a spare K-Line GG1 chassis as a starting point. It will be fabricated out of brass and plastic - i'll post some photos as soon as i overcome fabricating the roof. At this point i'm almost done with the sides, and have figured out a means of attaching the body to the chassis.

Hence photos of the roof details will be appreciated. Thank you.

 

jackson, CEO, Not-So-Great Eastern RR, aka The Never Done Line

          Division of the Southern Adirondack Railway Cartel

 

 

MELGAR --- Thank you so much for the pics; these will give me a great starting point. It appears the engine you photographed is painted in the so-called "Brooks Brothers" scheme. Is the main color green or grey? If so does anyone know the exact name of the color? Also were the stripes white or silver. As i plan ahead, that is one of the two color schemes i'm considering; the other being pullman green with gold striping. Any others from anyone else will be appreciated. Thanks again.

jackson, CEO, Not-So-Great Eastern RR, aka The Never Done Line

          Division of the Southern Adirondack Railway Cartel

 

 

Rusty Traque posted:

The New Haven in the movies: It Happened to Jane (1959.)  Possibly the last time New Haven steam operated, Mikado 3020 was held for snow removal duties and cleaned up for the film.

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Rusty

 

I recall seeing this movie on the local tv station.Every body hated the EP ceo.It was the first movie I saw with tony randel.Had some great rail road action in it.

Dom, good one.  The New Haven I-5 Hudson ran when I was a young boy.  My Mother worked in the New Haven shops at Readville while my Father was serving in the Navy.  She has a great memory of that engine.   My engine is a Weaver engine that I converted to PS3.  This engine was great to do as it has sprung drivers and rollers on the tender.  The tender rollers combined with the engine rollers make an engine that can span bad track work if needed.  BTW, I do not have bad track work but do have an excellent running I-5 Hudson.   I recently did one of those engines for forum member Gerry Morlitz.

 

 

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Here are a few that are a bit different...

After the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in January, 1969, the operating territory of the GG1 was extended to New Haven.  This GG1 is shown heading back to NY Penn Station.  It is about to pass over the **** Gate heading south.  Note the two REA cars following the engine.

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After the NH's bankruptcy but before the Penn Central's, GG1's did indeed travel the NH Right of Way all the way to Union Station in New Haven:

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It's not orange and black, but it's pretty darned cool!

Steven J. Serenska

The New Haven acquired 40 RDCs in 1952 and ‘53 and referred to them as “Shoreliners.” Twenty-nine were RDC-1s (passengers only), two were RDC-2s (baggage compartment at one end), six were RDC-3s (passenger, baggage and mail sections), and three were shorter RDC-4s (baggage and mail only). At the time, the New Haven was the country’s largest user of RDCs, running them mostly on branch lines and in commuter service. They were powered by two 275 HP General Motors diesel engines mounted below the floor, air-conditioned, and could accommodate 89 passengers. Many of these cars lasted until the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in 1969. New Haven Railroad Budd RDC 47 was photographed at the Danbury (CT) Railway Museum – June 1, 2017.

MELGAR

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I was never a fan of Lionel's 44 ton switcher.  But this one, in New haven livery is a beauty.  

Dan Padova

 

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briansilvermustang posted:
 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

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