any New Haven fans ....

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

The location of this one has me stumped!

MELGAR

        found it...  http://www.railphoto-art.org/c...lection/new-haven/#!

New York, New Haven and Hartford Alco RS-3 diesel-electric locomotive no. 532 , with Alco DL-109 in stall, at Dover Street turntable, Boston, Massachusetts,

Anyone know where a powered 3 Rail NH FL-9 can be found for sale? I've looked everywhere for them. 

The New Haven Railroad has always been very important to me in my childhood of the late 50’s and early 60’s.    I’m from central Connecticut and our house was by the Hartford Branch main line.   We had a siding go through our back yard that serviced a factory several miles away with coal.   I still remember the NH switcher pushing several coal cars past our house. They would always sound there horn when they rode by because the engineer knew my brothers and I enjoyed it. 

Ray

briansilvermustang posted:

 July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

Brian’s posts keep me busy photographing my New Haven model locomotives! It’s OK Brian – keep it up!

Brian’s photo appears to have been taken at New Haven motor storage between 1955 and 1960. An EMD FL-9 (road number illegible) is at the left of photo. Judging from the road number (?72) of the locomotive on the right, it is ALCO FA-1 472 (see my first photo below). My second photo has an ALCO PA-1 at right, but based on the grille details and road number (?72), the locomotive at right in Brian’s photo is not a PA-1.

I’m a little disappointed to see that MTH may not have the nose of the McGuiness FA-1/PA-1 paint schemes entirely correct. Actually, as I look at it now, Brian's photo has the red/orange and white bands reversed from MTH, and that is the reason for the difference. On the original McGuiness scheme, the white (side) band was at the bottom but quickly got dirty in service, so the locomotives were eventually repainted with the white band at the top and the red/orange band at the bottom - as per MTH.

MELGAR

great photos and info MELGAR 

Atop the backs of benches in the main waiting room of New Haven (Connecticut) Union Station are display cases with model trains of the New Haven Railroad. They were donated in 2002 by Lawrence Scripps Wilkinson, a 1950 graduate of Yale College. The station itself is an edifice worthy of the once great New Haven Railroad.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

MELGAR posted:

Atop the backs of benches in the main waiting room of New Haven (Connecticut) Union Station are display cases with model trains of the New Haven Railroad. They were donated in 2002 by Lawrence Scripps Wilkinson, a 1950 graduate of Yale College. The station itself is an edifice worthy of the once great New Haven Railroad.

MELGAR

Hey, Melgar:

Thanks for the info behind these.  I always enjoy looking at them whenever I'm in Union Station.  It's good to know the story of how they got there.

There are also O Gauge models in Penn Station in Newark, New Jersey.  They're high on the wall just before you walk out of the platform area into the main waiting room (on the West Side of the station).

The only problem with the ones in Newark is that you have to stop in the middle of a heavily trafficked area and look way up to see them.  I always get the feeling that, when I stop like that and expose my neck, someone's going to come up behind me, put me in a choke-hold, and relieve me of my wallet...

...He said...

...Only 25% kidding...

Steven J. Serenska

I have developed a strange love for New Haven, but please don't tell my western railroads (DRG&W, Santa Fe & Western Pacific).  Can't explain it.

Chris S.

CSX FAN posted:

Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

 

Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

CSX;

I took a look, but no luck. The three volumes primarily show motive power. You’ve probably seen this, but this is the only reference I found on line:

https://wsrrm.wordpress.com/author/wsmuseum/

briansilvermustang posted:

 July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

In 1963, the bankrupt New Haven Railroad acquired 12 nearly new electric locomotives from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway at the bargain price of $300,000 total and used them to haul freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn). I'm appreciative of Mike Wolf and MTH for having made numerous models of New Haven Railroad locomotives.

MELGAR

Melgar, As am I. But I still hold out hope for a RK Imp I-5. I believe it would sell out immediately given the general interest in the NY NH & H, and the activity on this thread. And while we're fantasizing, how about some of the heavy freight steam locos from the Maybrook division. Wouldn't that be cool. How many Big Boys, K -4s and Js do we need. I'd love to see an L class Santa Fe. Nothing more imposing than a ten coupled behemoth with a long drag. Ah well, maybe Christmas wishes will come true.

Yes, Tom, I would like to see some more scale-sized New Haven O gauge steam engine models. Weaver has made an I-4 Pacific and an I-5 Hudson, but I would like to have the latter from MTH. And Lionel made a USRA Mountain type that the New Haven had. The other New Haven steamer types which, as far as I know, have not yet been made as accurate scale-sized models are Atlantics, Moguls, Consolidations, Mikados and Santa Fes. Given the cost and market for such products these days, I don't expect the larger types to be produced - but maybe the Atlantics and Moguls.

MELGAR

FireOne posted:

I have developed a strange love for New Haven, but please don't tell my western railroads (DRG&W, Santa Fe & Western Pacific).  Can't explain it.

Chris S.

One good reason is, objectively speaking, the McGuiness livery of New Haven trains is drop dead gorgeous.

Arnold, I didn't know that, but anything that sounds like Guinness must be good.

Chris S.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

FireOne posted:

I have developed a strange love for New Haven, but please don't tell my western railroads (DRG&W, Santa Fe & Western Pacific).  Can't explain it.

Chris S.

One good reason is, objectively speaking, the McGuiness livery of New Haven trains is drop dead gorgeous.

I totally agree, Arnold... but I have to admit that the dark green and gold is really growing on me too.

briansilvermustang posted:

 

 

Atlas #519

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

In 1963, the bankrupt New Haven Railroad acquired 12 nearly new electric locomotives from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway at the bargain price of $300,000 total and used them to haul freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn). I'm appreciative of Mike Wolf and MTH for having made numerous models of New Haven Railroad locomotives.

MELGAR

Like the paint scheme, not a fan of those “flat top” electrics.

That 8754 started New Haven for me.  It was my son's first train in 1984 and it has been a slow RR expansion since. See the attached.

briansilvermustang posted:

 

 

My MTH Premier New Haven EP3 353 sits in a case on my desk since the day I bought it.

MELGAR

the paint shop was busy....

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

 

My MTH Premier New Haven EP3 353 sits in a case on my desk since the day I bought it.

MELGAR

I need to ask what might be a dumb question but I'm asking anyway because I feel like learning this afternoon.

The question is: What was the purpose of the extended pilots with the platforms on the prototype engines?  I understand that the purpose of a pilot is to guide the locomotive into curves, but these pilots seem unique in their overall length, and the fact that a usable platform (with guardrails) was built above them.  

Wouldn't it have made sense to allow the pilot to remain, pretty much as they were, but eliminate the handrails and extend the cab out over the pilots?  Doing so would have either increased the cab space for the crew OR would have created revenue-generating baggage space for parcels and other cargo.  Sort of like having the first baggage car in the consist integral to the engine.

I should add that I realize the pilot would need to remain free swinging so either the cab or some other part would need to be articulated OR the cab would simply be "over" the pilot but not touching it.  I also realize this might introduce some untenable overhang issues but that pilot is so pronounced that I have to ask the question: Why such a large front porch?

I know I don't know the full story, so I'm asking.  Why this unusual design?

Thanks.

Steven J. Serenska

Apples55 posted:

CSX FAN posted:

Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

 

Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

CSX;

I took a look, but no luck. The three volumes primarily show motive power. You’ve probably seen this, but this is the only reference I found on line:

https://wsrrm.wordpress.com/author/wsmuseum/

Yes that is our group. It is just amazing that a SP Lark car or a New Haven business car running around for years and there are no photo's of the car.  The car is over 50% restored now so it will be photo'd alot more once we have it in full service. 

Thank you for looking. A group in california has all the corporate/ Pullman, SP photo's but I could never get a return phone call. Shore Lark has a inside photo. 

CSX FAN posted:

I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days.

Not sure this will help, but there is a picture of New Haven Business Car #2 on page 531 of "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by J. W. Swanberg. I do find photos of business cars #1, #2 and #4 in other New Haven Railroad references, but nothing on #3.

Upon further checking on the website of the New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association nhrhta.org, Volume 26 Issues 1 and 2 (1995) of "Shoreliner," the Association's quarterly publication, have articles containing a total of 27 pages about the history of New Haven's business cars. From the main page of the website, select "What has been published in "Shoreliner," then select "Passenger Cars" and look under Volume 26. Then look at the "contacts" page for whom to contact. These articles will probably be the best information available. Sorry, but I don't have them.

MELGAR

Santa Claus delivered an A-B-A set of MTH New Haven FA-1’s Tuesday.  I’ve been wanting a set of FA’s in this paint scheme for what seemed like forever.  

I’ve also attached a photo of an earlier acquisition - an MTH New Haven GP9 in the McGinnis scheme.  I don’t dislike this paint scheme but; the earlier Hunter Green and yellow just screams class to me.

Curt

briansilvermustang posted:

 July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

This photo shows the New Haven Railroad's "Comet" train at the Canaan Union Depot in North Canaan, Connecticut. The train is headed southbound on the track of the former Housatonic Railroad which was leased by the New Haven in 1892 and which ran between Pittsfield, Massachusetts, Danbury and Norwalk, CT. The track in the foreground was formerly owned by the Central New England Railway which ran from Hartford, CT, across the Hudson River to Maybrook, New York and was acquired by the New Haven in 1904. The tracks crossed at a ninety-degree angle at the corner of the depot. The Canaan Union Depot was built in 1872 and retained passenger service until 1971. The elegant Victorian station was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1972 and was partially destroyed by fire in 2001. Rehabilitation began in 2014 and, to the best of my knowledge, is complete or nearly so. The "Comet" diesel-electric train operated on the New Haven Railroad between 1935 and 1951 - first between Providence, RI and Boston, and later in local service.

MELGAR

New Haven Railroad RPO cars #2782 and #3286 as made by Weaver Models.

MELGAR

Sunset 3rd rail just announced FA units arriving later this year. New Haven McGinnis FA-1 is looking like a gem. 

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ALCOFA 

Did Sunset/ Golden Gate Depot deliver the second run of heavyweight dining cars?

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

I'll second that about the earlier paint schemes. Personally i find the McGuiness scheme the least attractive of all the New Haven paint schemes! (Or, not caring if i offend anyone, plain butt ugly).

biscuitag97 posted:

Sunset 3rd rail just announced FA units arriving later this year. New Haven McGinnis FA-1 is looking like a gem. 

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ALCOFA 

If no one has told you, Biscuit, you are a bad influence  

MELGAR posted:

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

And speaking of bad influences, MELGAR... while I like the McGuiness scheme (it IS NOT butt ugly!!!), I have to agree that I’d like the orange/hunter/silver scheme - I think the hunter/gold would look too close to the recent PA offering. 

Scott is killing me. And you guys ain’t helping!!!

Paul - Send Scott an e-mail with your recommendation.

I don't think the New Haven McGuiness scheme is ugly but it has been offered on most New Haven locomotive models, while the earlier schemes, which are more elegant, have been done much less often. My new layout is representative of the 1940s and early 1950s - before the McGuiness scheme arrived.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

biscuitag97 posted:

Sunset 3rd rail just announced FA units arriving later this year. New Haven McGinnis FA-1 is looking like a gem. 

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ALCOFA 

If no one has told you, Biscuit, you are a bad influence  

MELGAR posted:

New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

MELGAR

And speaking of bad influences, MELGAR... while I like the McGuiness scheme (it IS NOT butt ugly!!!), I have to agree that I’d like the orange/hunter/silver scheme - I think the hunter/gold would look too close to the recent PA offering. 

Scott is killing me. And you guys ain’t helping!!!

Paul,

It appears so! Although I'm happy to see any New Haven in O Scale. As stated above, the older orange scheme would be a nice change up from the more commonly modeled McGinnis. They would also look good pulling some NH freight or the osgood bradley lightweights. If anyone gets an update from Scott saying he would be willing to produce New Haven FA's in either of the two older schemes, please post it on this thread. And as always, LONG LIVE THE NEW HAVEN!!   

briansilvermustang posted:

 

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Brian,

I hardly can check off a "like" for the New Haven disaster pictured above.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

 July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

This is a good one! I'm also interested in the concrete New Haven signal station behind the truck. I'm now building the Trainworx New Haven tower kit and have been looking for whatever photos I can find. This photo was not taken on the main line between New York City and New Haven, as there is no catenary.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

Thanks Brian,

With all the New Haven tower pictures I've looked at, this one appears to be closest to the Trainworx model. Although many New Haven towers had the Spanish tile pagoda roof and were constructed from concrete, they differ in length, width, number of windows and placement of doors on the second floor. Some of them also had three levels instead of the usual two.

MELGAR

I’m a fan of the McGinnis paint scheme. In fact I bought Lionel’s Conventional Classics when I was still deep into conventional control. Swamped them for Lionel’s Alco PA with TMCC. Had the chance to buy an AA set of Scott’s FL9 at York a few years back from Vince so you know it was a good price but due to finances at the time I passed on them. Regretted it ever since and have been searching for them. Missed a set at Western Depot too. Hopefully I will find a set someday. Look forward to the FA’s. 

By the way, not opposed to the green and gold scheme either. 

Mike

The McGuiness livery is my #1 all time favorite and I also think the Hunter green and gold livery is very attractive. Arnold

          awesome photo !!!

Apples55 posted:

Another one from Facebook... the caption read:

NH FL-9s, Alco S series switchers, SW1200, and E-33 (EF-4) motors at Oak Point Yard, South Bronx NY, 11/63

Now, for those with better eyes than I, on the Facebook post, someone suggested that there was an orange steam engine tender in the upper right. Doesn’t seem like it to me (and I don’t ever remember seeing a NH steamer in orange), but what do you think???

Photo is from the 1960s - long after steam was gone. The orange tender may have been used for water storage or maintenance-of-way. Will try to find a reference.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

 

         LOL...

I’m beginning to think it’s time for an intervention...  

Apples55 posted:

A great collection from my Facebook feed today... the caption gives the following info:

The date........02/04/1969

The collection.......Train Man Paul's 

The photographer.......Marty Bernard

The location........New Rochelle, NY (present day CP 217)

We have EMUs, including 4400s (Washboards)... FL-9s, Alco FA-1 and RS11s..........

Love these pics!

Peter

Found some old videos of mine.....

Peter

Here's the other (too big to go together).....

Peter

Love the mixed trains. Thanks for posting.

Great videos, Peter. I wish Lionel would make some NH steam. I like the green cars, but those black/orange are striking. Thanks for sharing.

I like the pics and videos.

Apples55 posted:

From my Facebook feed today... the caption read:

1967.    Grand Central Terminal.

FDNY at the scene of a fire in GCT where a fire on the New Haven Line, Track 27.   The fire sent smoke billowing through the station and into the Pan Am Building and prompting evacuations.  Even with the smoke pouring out people were demanding to know when their trains were leaving (NYT).    Image NYT

I used Track 27 many times (many years later!!!)

 

1967. The New Haven had been in bankruptcy since 1961 and would be merged into Penn Central on January 1, 1969. Deferred maintenance during those years produced events such as pictured.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

 

The New Haven Railroad's concrete coal tower still stands in Cedar Hill Yard, once the busiest yard in New England and 2.7 miles east of New Haven Union Station. Taken August 29, 2018.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

The New Haven Railroad's concrete coal tower still stands in Cedar Hill Yard, once the busiest yard in New England and 2.7 miles east of New Haven Union Station. Taken August 29, 2018.

MELGAR

Great shots Mel! The TW TrainWorx Traingineers also did a custom replica of this Coaling Tower for our New Haven Custom Layout customer... thought you'd enjoy seeing the results and NO, no plans to make this a kit

Happy Tracks!

TrainDame aka Dorcie Farkash
www.blog.traindame.com
TW TrainWorx
Dallas, TX | Concord, NC | USA
(214) 634-2965

TRAINDAME,

If TW Trainworx offers a New Haven coal tower kit, I can assure you of at least one customer - me! Your model is incredible and your company produces absolutely outstanding products.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

TRAINDAME,

If TW Trainworx offers a New Haven coal tower kit, I can assure you of at least one customer - me! Your model is incredible and your company produces absolutely outstanding products.

MELGAR

Thank you sir !

briansilvermustang posted:

 

     pretty cool...

OK, Brian... I give up. What is it???    If I didn’t know better, I would say it’s one of Dr. Mitch Frankenstein’s creations!!! And that’s pronounced Fronk-n-steen...

That's Tyco's famous interpretation of the GG1 which was catalogued beginning in 1977 until 1986 or so. It utilized running gear from the company's ALCo C630. Although far from realistic, Tyco certainly appeared to sell enough of them.  A friend of mine bought one.

Bob

       Thanks Bob !

CNJ 3676 posted:

For those who like to run their O gauge EP-5 models on freight trains, here's one for you. While of course best known for their passenger duties, the New Haven employed its fleet of EP-5 locomotives in priority TOFC freight service operating between Cedar Hill and The Bronx during the overnight hours. I had the opportunity to correspond with a New Haven engineman who spoke very highly of the performance of the EP-5 class in this role. The railroad also tried FL9 units on these trains but a pair of them could not equal the ability of an EP-5 to maintain the schedule. Pictured below is the 378 at Oak Point Yard in The South Bronx. Photographs of EP-5s in freight service are very rare as these operations generally occurred under the cover of darkness. (Photo: Collection of Mr. Michael Robbins)

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

A lot of steam emanating from that electric locomotive!

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

TRAINDAME,

If TW Trainworx offers a New Haven coal tower kit, I can assure you of at least one customer - me! Your model is incredible and your company produces absolutely outstanding products.

MELGAR

Melgar, you will have to make that layout expansion to fit that monster.

No problem on the layout expansion! But the coal tower will fill the entire expansion...

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

This car was a diner.

MELGAR

Were they not called cafe cars?? Corrected: grill cars.

Actually, they were called Grill cars, numbered 5000-5004.  They were converted to coaches in 1952, becoming 8370-8374.

Danr posted:

Actually, they were called Grill cars, numbered 5000-5004.  They were converted to coaches in 1952, becoming 8370-8374.

Dan, you are correct; my error. I knew they weren't called diners. Thanks for refreshing my memory.

Not easy to remember since everyone seemed to have different names for the same things.

Please. In function they were diners.

MELGAR

I agree they were diners in function but in New haven parlance they were called grill cars, just as in PRR parlance a caboose was called a cabin car.

ctr posted:

Very nice New Haven - especially the Yale TOFC...

MELGAR

Here is a link to a New Haven video.  I have seen this video before but this version has been cleaned up.

Very early are pictures of the Osgood-Bradley “American Flyer” cars and, what I believe, is the grill car we talked about.

Love the hump yard part especially the guy shooting oil into the open journal boxes.  Somewhere an environmentalist is having an aneurysm.

You also get to listen to Lowell Thomas narrate.  Enjoy

A great railroad at work

  A 2-10-2 New Haven would be great. I mentioned it to Andy Edleman at the recent Amherst Train Show . He did not say yes or no but I knew it was a distant no. You never know.

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook find... the caption reads:

”NYNH&HRR 3202 R-Class Alco-Schenectady Mountain 2-10-2. Apr 18, 1948. Photo by L.A. Bloomfield. From my collection“. 

Wish Lionel would make some New Haven (large) steamers...

The picture caption is incorrect. The pictured locomotive is a 2-10-2, which is a Santa Fe type. The Mountain type is a 4-8-2 (starting with road number 3300 on the New Haven). The main rod has been removed from the pictured locomotive - which may be in the scrap line.

MELGAR

Lionel NEW HAVEN 4-8-2 .

This pair of ex-NH FL-9s (#2014, 2016) are currently in Grapevine Texas. They will be restored to full operating condition and then sadly repainted maroon and gold to be used by the Grapevine tourist line. I went out to get pictures in their current state last weekend.

Too bad in my opinion. These locomotives from the New Haven Railroad will lose their identity.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Too bad in my opinion. These locomotives from the New Haven Railroad will lose their identity.

MELGAR

I agree Melgar. They should be showcased in the original colors. 

The right thing to do would be to leave these FL9s  as they are in the original paint scheme or at least to repaint them in the McGuiness scheme. I can't understand why none of the railroad museums in Connecticut managed to keep these New Haven Railroad artifacts in their home State.

MELGAR

New Haven FL9 2057 is on display at the Connecticut Eastern Railroad Museum in Willimantic, Ct. It’s on there website with a brief history.

Pokek

Passenger-carrying steamboats operated on Long Island Sound between between New York City, Bridgeport, New Haven, New London, Stonington, Providence and Fall River, Massachusetts beginning in 1835 . Some of the steamboat companies were owned by railroads that eventually were absorbed by the New Haven Railroad when it established through service between Boston and New York City in 1892, and the New Haven continued to operate them. Other steamboat operators competed with the New Haven until water-borne passenger service ended in1937.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Passenger-carrying steamboats operated on Long Island Sound between between New York City, Bridgeport, New Haven, New London, Stonington, Providence and Fall River, Massachusetts beginning in 1835 . Some of the steamboat companies were owned by railroads that eventually were absorbed by the New Haven Railroad when it established through service between Boston and New York City in 1892, and the New Haven continued to operate them. Other steamboat operators competed with the New Haven until water-borne passenger service ended in1937.

MELGAR

Thanks, as always, for the history, MELGAR. I’ve seen ferries loaded with boxcars, but this was the first time I saw one carrying passenger cars. Must have made for an interesting trip.

I think what looks unusual is that the trailing-truck wheels are smaller than the pilot truck wheels. According to "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by J.W. Stauffer, the trailing truck wheels were 33-inch diameter and the pilot truck wheels were 35 inches. Stauffer refers to the trailing trucks as "dinky" and "incongruously small."

MELGAR

“Incongruously small”… what a perfect description!!! 

briansilvermustang posted:

I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

Oh the things that show up in Facebook... the caption reads:

”Fashion Show on Board the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad's Show Train, 1949. Photo by Dan Weiner“. Would have made all those commutes a bit easier...

 

During the 1960s, CCNY had professors in a dedicated car on one morning Hartford-NYC train and one evening NYC-Hartford commuter train.  You could earn college credits in those two hours.  John

rattler21 posted:

Apples55 posted:

Oh the things that show up in Facebook... the caption reads:

”Fashion Show on Board the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad's Show Train, 1949. Photo by Dan Weiner“. Would have made all those commutes a bit easier...

 

During the 1960s, CCNY had professors in a dedicated car on one morning Hartford-NYC train and one evening NYC-Hartford commuter train.  You could earn college credits in those two hours.  John

Interesting, Rattler... Adds an entirely new meaning to on line learning!!!

The photo shows New Haven's 4400 series multiple-unit cars - also referred to as "washboards" because of their fluted stainless-steel sides - manufactured in 1954 by Pullman Standard in Worcester, Massachusetts. Each car was powered by four 100 horsepower DC traction motors and drew 11,000 volt AC power from the New Haven's overhead catenary and rectified it to DC for the motors. The cars also had two third-rail pickup shoes on each truck for operation under trackage-rights on the New York Central Railroad between Woodlawn, New York  and Grand Central Terminal, a distance of 12 miles, where 650-volt DC power was supplied from a third rail.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

The photo shows New Haven's 4400 series multiple-unit cars - also referred to as "washboards" because of their fluted stainless-steel sides - manufactured in 1954 by Pullman Standard in Worcester, Massachusetts. Each car was powered by four 100 horsepower DC traction motors and drew 11,000 volt AC power from the New Haven's overhead catenary and rectified it to DC for the motors. The cars also had two third-rail pickup shoes on each truck for operation under trackage-rights on the New York Central Railroad between Woodlawn, New York  and Grand Central Terminal, a distance of 12 miles, where 650-volt DC power was supplied from a third rail.

MELGAR

Thanks, as always, MELGAR... did they usually run trains that long??? I don’t remember too may 10 car trains when I was riding Metro North, much less 11.

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

MELGAR

          thanks Melgar !

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

New Haven Railroad Rail Diesel Car 42 still survives and will undergo a full restoration at the Berkshire Scenic Railway Museum in Lenox, Massachusetts. The car was built in 1953 at the Budd Company Red Lion Plant in Philadelphia and operated by the New Haven and Penn Central Railroads. It was retired in 1989, stored in Fall River, Massachusetts until its acquisition by BSRM in 2017, and moved to the museum in 2018. The BSRM is worth a visit by "Any New Haven Fan."

MELGAR

Such a great thread. Figured I’d get it back to the front page. 😃

greg773 posted:

Such a great thread. Figured I’d get it back to the front page. 😃

 

Very nice video, Greg - thanks for sharing. And that is a beautiful layout... is it yours or the NLOE layout???

Peter

Putnam Division posted:

Peter

Well, someone just took the hot tub time machine back to New York circa the 1960’s!!! New Haven, Penn Central, and NYC all in one shot. All that’s missing is a Hellgate Bridge!!! Nice video Peter.

P.S. Are those NYC cars the Lionel aluminum 1980’s vintage??? Look good.

Gentlemen,

Thanks for bringing the thread back up with those nice videos and layouts.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

greg773 posted:

Very nice video, Greg - thanks for sharing. And that is a beautiful layout... is it yours or the NLOE layout???

Thanks! It’s the NLOE layout.

greg773 posted:

Apples55 posted:

greg773 posted:

Very nice video, Greg - thanks for sharing. And that is a beautiful layout... is it yours or the NLOE layout???

Thanks! It’s the NLOE layout.

Thanks Greg. I was born and raised in Brooklyn, not far from the LIRR cut - I’ve been buying your great club cars for the last few years (who doesn’t love Nathan’s!!!). One of these days, I’ve got to hike out to see your layout.

Apples55 posted:

Putnam Division posted:

Pete

Well, someone just took the hot tub time machine back to New York circa the 1960’s!!! New Haven, Penn Central, and NYC all in one shot. All that’s missing is a Hellgate Bridge!!! Nice video Peter.

P.S. Are those NYC cars the Lionel aluminum 1980’s vintage??? Look good.

The NYC cars and ABA are from the 1983 MPC offering....the 20th Century Ltd.

The the sleeper and diner were later add-ons....

Peter