any New Haven fans ....

Putnam Division posted:

Apples55 posted:

Putnam Division posted:

 

Pete

Well, someone just took the hot tub time machine back to New York circa the 1960’s!!! New Haven, Penn Central, and NYC all in one shot. All that’s missing is a Hellgate Bridge!!! Nice video Peter.

P.S. Are those NYC cars the Lionel aluminum 1980’s vintage??? Look good.

The NYC cars and ABA are from the 1983 MPC offering....the 20th Century Ltd.

The the sleeper and diner were later add-ons....

Peter

Thanks Peter... thought they looked familiar. I always found the smooth sides to be most attractive.

Brian's picture was taken on the tracks of the Railroad Museum of New England in Thomaston, Connecticut. The line was built by the Naugatuck Railroad and eventually acquired by the New Haven Railroad.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

A great photo from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

”An A-B-A set of freight diesels at Cedar Hill Engine Terminal, New Haven, Connecticut, June 5, 1949. Built by Alco-GE as part of an order of 30 units. (Lawson Hill)”

Sorry, but I don't have a New Haven FA A-B-A in the orange color scheme.

briansilvermustang posted:

 July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

This EP-3 model sits in a display case on my desk.

MELGAR

Say what you will, but the New Haven Railroad in the McGuiness era was willing to try new things.

MELGAR

I have to agree with you about "new things" with one exception: IMO those ugly paint schemes. I know color is a matter of taste, but I preferred the traditional green/gold.

Apples55 posted:

A great shot from my Facebook feed today... the caption reads:

Former CDOT FL9M #2026 leads Cape Cod Central Railroad's Coastal Excursion train into West Barnstable (MA) Station.

New Haven FL-9 2043 passes the grade crossing on my 10’-by-5’ layout.

MELGAR

New Haven Railroad Fairbanks-Morse CPA-24-5 #793 - model by MTH with Atlas O 60-foot passenger cars on my 10'-by-5' layout.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Say what you will, but the New Haven Railroad in the McGuiness era was willing to try new things.

MELGAR

Too willing IMO !!  In the fall of '55, Mr McG decided that since there were no more steam engines, the railroad no longer needed enginehouses.  That was my freshman year in college in Boston living near New York.  Then comes a cold snowy winter.  Last Friday before Christmas, one of the big travel days, verryy cccold.;  Went down to South station with plenty of time to make the 4:00 train to New York.  Got on the 3:00pm train which had been waiting for power.  Arrived in NY over seven hours later on a 4:30 schedule - probably the highest ever passenger-hours lost to power failures.  I don't think the locomotive maintenance people were ready for working outdoors in the winter.   I'm all for new ideas, but first check the facts !!!  

Apples55 posted:

Another one from my Facebook feed - I really don’t know how I feel about them... definitely different!!!

The caption reads:

”New Haven 140, the Roger Williams.

The Roger Williams was a streamlined, six car, lightweight, DMU passenger train, built by the Budd Company in 1956 for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The train ran between Boston, Massachusetts and Washington, DC. The train was based on Budd's successful RDC DMU cars. The end two cars were equipped with streamlined locomotive style cabs and noses, resembling those on the Fairbanks-Morse P-12-42 Diesel locomotives. The four intermediate cars lacked operating controls and cabs”

Under the New Haven Railroad, the Roger Williams first ran between Boston and New York City and later to Springfield, Massachusetts but never to Washington, DC. After the demise of the New Haven Railroad in 1969, one of the cars ran in commuter service in the Washington, DC area. Facebook is posting interesting pictures of the NYNH&HRR.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

They were built for the Virginian then acquired by the Norfolk & Western until being sold to the New Haven and then to Penn Central and ending their careers on Conrail. Williams made a creditable model of these although the body is slightly tall to accommodate the vertical motors.

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

 

 

The caption reads:

”FL9 no. 2000 coming through Woodlawn milepost 12 pulling the Mayflower to GCT. Year unknown probably around 1960”.

Paul,

Nice photo.

So, here is the FL9 and its train going under the Nereid Ave bridge...in the distance is the flyover which carries southbound New Haven trains over and onto the New York Central's trackage, joining the Central's Harlem Division right here.

Here is the flyover:

Tom 

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (

MELGAR

Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

Seacoast posted:

MELGAR posted:

Melgar a very nice layout and that FL9! What size curves did you have ?

The 12'-by-8' layout has three separate sets of loops with passing sidings on the two outer loops. The curves on the three sets of loops are Atlas O-72, O-54 and O-36. There are ten-inch straight track sections and 1-3/4" straight sections inserted into the curves which expand the width of the outer loop to about 92 inches instead of 72 inches. The tracks beneath the bridges leading to the tunnels are just for parking trains and do not operate. The FL-9 is by Sunset/3rd Rail.

MELGAR

If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

Tom 

MNCW posted:

If anyone likes the FL9's, I would recommend, Diesels to Park Avenue. I would also recommend my own book, Metro-North's Hudson Line, Poughkeepsie to Oscawana. Excuse the self promotion! The first book covers FL9's mostly operating over New Haven trackage (if I recall correctly)...my book is limited to the Upper Hudson, after Metro-North absorbed them into their system.

Tom 

 

I’m sure Vol. II will have many more FL9’s... (sorry Tom - couldn’t resist)

But seriously... I picked up Tom’s book at the White Plains Train Show last December and it is a treasure trove of info and wonderful pictures from the steam era (some nice NYC action) to current diesels/electrics - well worth the price.

Thank you Paul! 

Tom

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook gem... unfortunately in b&w. The caption reads:

”New York, New Haven & Hartford Alco No. 0773. Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C. photo”.

Sunset/3^rd Rail New Haven Railroad ALCO PA1 0771 – MELGAR

I posted this on its own, but am taking Paul's good suggestion to re-post it here for better results:

Number 90 posted:

I'm curious as to whether New Haven ever completed repainting the Pullman-Standard postwar lightweight passenger cars (which featured fluted stainless steel siding with a hunter green window panel and letterboards) into the McGinnis red.  Are there any New Haven experts out there who would care to comment on whether any cars remained hunter green until Amtrak day?  Just curious.

Tom,

In "The New Haven Railroad in the McGinnis Era" by Mark J. Frattasio (2003) on page 134 is a photograph of a New Haven Pullman-Standard postwar streamlined stainless steel sheathed passenger car with fluted sides and the red-orange window band with modernized "NH" logo. Part of the caption states: "None of the New Haven's stainless steel sheathed passenger cars escaped getting the new image treatment. All of these cars got the new image colors and logo as a group during the summer of 1955."

I cannot now independently verify the accuracy of this statement and will post in this thread any further information that I find...

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

 

MELGAR

This certainly was the “deal of the century” since the Virginian had paid about 200K per loco just a few years before!

Peter

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook gem... unfortunately in b&w. The caption reads:

”New York, New Haven & Hartford Alco No. 0773. Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C. photo”.

Sunset/3^rd Rail New Haven Railroad ALCO PA1 0771 – MELGAR

Love that Hunter Green!

Peter

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

 

MELGAR

Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

Apples55 posted:

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

MELGAR

Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

The New Haven Railroad ran freight trains to the 65th Street Yard in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn from 1927 to 1968. Trains came off the New York Connecting Railroad (Hellgate Bridge), passed through Fresh Pond in Queens and ran on electrified trackage through Brooklyn to carfloats which carried freight cars to and from New Jersey.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

I hate to admit it, but I am beginning to like Facebook... well the train groups anyway!!! Here is another gem from my feed today... the caption reads:

“New Haven No. 322, a 1927 Baldwin-Westinghouse Electric at Danbury, Connecticut, on its way to Norwalk and then on to New York City. No. 322 was scrapped in 1958”.

This is a real beauty!!! For some reason, I love boxcabs.

Paul,

I've studiously avoided going on Facebook but your posts from that site are very interesting. The electrification between Norwalk and Danbury was shut down when electric motors such as this EP-2 were replaced by FL-9 diesel-electrics.

MELGAR

My brother and I are huge NHRR fans...our grandfather worked for the NH for 50 years and retired in the 50's.  Once he retired, he'd take us down to the Charles Street Roundhouse to see the engines and catch up with his work friends.  One fond memory was the day I was able to run the turntable with an engine on it...or at least the operator made me believe I was running it...many great memories of grandfather and the NHRR.  We've lost track of the pictures he had of the yard....hopefully the pics will pop up some day.

New Haven Railroad ALCO PA #0771 and three heavyweight passenger cars on my 12'-by-8' layout completed in 2004. The locomotive is by Sunset/3rd Rail and the cars are MTH Premier from the PS1 era.

MELGAR

In response to a question on another thread I posted the following:

There are two locations along the Northeast Corridor in Connecticut where the train passes along a beach. The most famous one is at Rocky Neck State Park in East Lyme, CT and was a frequent subject of photographers in the days of the New Haven Railroad. A short distance away, the tracks pass along a beach on Niantic Bay in Niantic, CT. I took the picture below of Rocky Neck Beach from an Amtrak train on the way to Boston... On a warm summer day it is jammed with beach goers.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

Those FL-9s look clean and have decent paint considering that the New Haven had been in bankruptcy for about 7 years when this photo supposedly was taken and only another 5 months or so remained until it was merged into Penn Central.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

MELGAR

          thanks Melgar !

I think this New Haven checkerboard livery is very attractive, but my recollection is that it never existed on real New Haven trains. Is that true?

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

MELGAR

MELGAR;

I hesitate to point out that your FL-9 is as clean and spiffy as my pic  

But seriously, I was hunting around online and found that the 2033 was built 09/1960, so the photo may be a rare artifact of the one and only time the engine appeared in that condition!!! Here is a link to a page I found with info on NH engines...

http://rrpicturearchives.net/l...cture.aspx?id=225030

biscuitag97 posted:

Very intrigued by these new mountains being produced by lionel... 

7

It's a nice model but not a new one. Mine was made around 2000. Lionel 6-28058.

MELGAR

Arnold,

Correct. This paint scheme was never used on a New Haven F-series diesel. The only ones they had were FL-9s in the McGinnis scheme. Rusty Traque provides the answer below...

MELGAR

Stopped by the NCTM in Spencer, NC today and got close to one of the residents.

Ron

Apples55 posted:

The latest gem from my Facebook feed today (really wish it was in color!!!)... the caption reads:

“New York, New Haven and Hartford Alco DL-109 No. 0751. The DL-109 had twin 6-cylinder ALCO 539T Diesel engines and was rated at 2,000 hp”.

MELGAR

Renumbered my NYC 4-6-0 to NH this morning. Used microscale decals. I know the numbering isn't perfect, but it looks good to me. I still have to figure out what to do with the number boards, I may just black them out. 

MTH New Haven EP-5 #371 with PS1 and BCR on my 12'-by-8' layout. A twenty year old model. Also MTH passenger cars. But no catenary...

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

MTH New Haven EP-5 #371 with PS1 and BCR on my 12'-by-8' layout. A twenty year old model. Also MTH passenger cars. But no catenary...

MELGAR

Great set! Great layout!

Peter

briansilvermustang posted:

Apples55 posted:

Looks like one of these odd-balls survived into the Amtrak days... from my Facebook feed today. The caption reads:

”Amtrak No. 27, formerly New Haven No. 140, built in February 1957, shown here at Springfield, Massachusetts, November 30, 1975”.

 

            ”Amtrak No. 27, formerly New Haven No. 140, built in February 1957                            

                    

The Roger Williams was a streamlined, six car, lightweight, DMU passenger train, built by the Budd Company in 1956 for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The train was based on Budd's successful RDC DMU cars. The end two cars were equipped with streamlined locomotive style cabs and noses, resembling those on the Fairbanks-Morse P-12-42 Diesel locomotives. The four intermediate cars lacked operating controls and cabs.

For operation into Grand Central Terminal, the cars were each equipped with third-rail shoes, and small traction motors, allowing them to operate into the terminal under electric power, with their engines shut down.

After a short period of time in high speed service, the train was split up, and the cars were used in service with the New Haven's other RDCs. They worked for the New Haven, Penn Central, and Amtrak, until the last cars were retired in the 1980s. In the 1970s, Amtrak used several ex-Roger Williams cars on the New Haven–Boston Bay State.

 

NH #140 now sitting at Hobo RR in Lincoln New Hampshire. I took this photo this past Saturday.

ALCo DL-109 locomotives began arriving on the New Haven Railroad in 1941 and saw heavy use during World War 2 pulling main line passenger trains during the day and freight trains at night. New Haven DER-1 (Diesel-Electric-Road) #0719 is an old MTH model with PS2 and a BCR. I have always enjoyed listening to its ALCo engine startup sounds and its rough idle which can be heard on this video as the engine crosses the trestle and also as it enters the tunnel at about 14 miles-per-hour.

MELGAR

The Great Bridge during its hundredth-year in 2017. I grew up almost in its shadow. What an extraordinary accomplishment in engineering and construction!

MELGAR

New Haven I-4 4-6-2 #1389 - model by Weaver Quality Craft. I've posted this before.

MELGAR

Peter,

Thanks for posting. Those have to be the best photos on this very interesting thread.

MELGAR

Very interesting picture. First, I thought it was a model. Then I caught the Pennsy baggage car. Third, I guess I shouldn't be so anal about keeping the doors closed on my models.

Pat Kn posted:

Very interesting picture. First, I thought it was a model. Then I caught the Pennsy baggage car. Third, I guess I shouldn't be so anal about keeping the doors closed on my models.

Pat in this case is it a baggage car or a RPO car?  I can see open doors on a RPO car since there would be workers on board.

Ron

All except for the Scrap Yard are MTH Rail King.

I just recieved my CMX track cleaning car and was thinking of painting it as a New Haven MOW tank car. Does any one have a photo or photos of one that I might use as a template?

Hi:

I asked this on the GGD thread, but this clearly is a better venue...

I just received my GGD NH green heavyweights, they have gold lettering. Previous GGD heavyweights had white lettering.

What years did NH use gold lettering, what years white?

Cheers!

Jan

Apples55 posted:

Another Facebook gem... the NH had some good looking steamers. The rather brief caption reads:

”New Haven class I-5 Hudson”

Love it!

Peter

I cannot remember if I posted this before......this was given to me many years ago by another Forum member when he down-sized......

Peter

Putnam Division posted:

I cannot remember if I posted this before......this was given to me many years ago by another Forum member when he down-sized......

Peter

Peter (or others):

What does the "R.R.S." stand for in the upper right corner?  That's a new one on me.

Also, I think it's been longer than 5 days so you should probably return that to the NH.  

Steven J. Serenska

Took a quick check in my postal history sources but nothing yet. Of course if was a common RR abreviation in use it wouldn't be.

A quick check of my LIRR postal history turned up this. These seemed to be commonly used for requesting payment for shipments. As you can see it wasn't filled in on this cover but perhaps an enployee "borrowed" one for his personal use.

The placement on your cover looks like applying the stamp would have covered it up, a further mystery.

RR postal history can be fascinating. Pieces of history that you know actually were on that train.

If you start to get serious check out the Mobile Post Office Society, covers the history of mail carried on RR, trolley, buses and boats. Some very complete and detailed publications about the postmarks.

Paul

The line over the Hell Gate bridge interchanging with the LIRR was handled by the New Haven. Sometimes they went all the way to the float bridges in Bay Ridge. The LIRR that was usually third rail but they had some switchers that used the overhead to handle the work also. I believe they were BB-3, small paired box cab bodies (you'd like them).

New Haven Railroad 1945 Annual Report - cover and first page

MELGAR

Scotie posted:

Paul

The line over the Hell Gate bridge interchanging with the LIRR was handled by the New Haven. Sometimes they went all the way to the float bridges in Bay Ridge. The LIRR that was usually third rail but they had some switchers that used the overhead to handle the work also. I believe they were BB-3, small paired box cab bodies (you'd like them).

Thanks for the history, Scotie.

And yes... would like the BB3’s...

Apples55 posted:

I’m beginning to think the New Haven had the most interesting collection of paint schemes... this Facebook shot has two good ones... the caption reads:

”New Haven (NH) Alco FA's under the wires, location unknown, circa June 1959”.

Location is New Haven. The top of the station, built in 1920, can be seen just above the Alco FA.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

I’m beginning to think the New Haven had the most interesting collection of paint schemes... this Facebook shot has two good ones... the caption reads:

”New Haven (NH) Alco FA's under the wires, location unknown, circa June 1959”.

It would appear the New Haven had a high employee turnover rate among  paint shop foremen!!

Paul

Here you go MTH 20-5562-1

Brian,

That has to be your best post ever!

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Brian,

That has to be your best post ever!

MELGAR

@briansilvermustang;

Have to agree with MELGAR - that is an encyclopedic collection... and although he may not have them in those exact paint schemes, I’ll bet MELGAR probably has an example of almost all those engines   

Page 22 of this thread and it just gets better and better. Those of us who are captivated by the legend, lore and remarkable panoply of motive power of the NH owe a tremendous thanks to Briansilvermustang and Melgar for providing us with these images and context. I certainly hope they both turn their spotlight on the Maybrook Division and the heavy steam that dominated that route in its heyday. And oh yeah, MTH, please a PS3 I-5!

Sorry, I forgot to thank Apples55 too.

Apples55 has been doing a terrific job lately!

MELGAR

Great photos. Don't forget to see Melgar's article of his New Haven switch tower build in OGR.

Paul, Thanks for the start. The Maybrook division ran from Cedar Hill yard across Connecticut, Duchess County and the Hudson River at Poughkeepsie to interchange freight traffic with the Delaware and Hudson amongst others. During its height it featured big 8 and 10 coupled brutes to move the tonnage in and out of lower New England.

Apples55 posted:

”Winsted, Conn. around 1910 with what looks like a 4-4-0, a baggage car, a combine, and a coach.

Winsted was the end of the line for the Naugatuck RR and the old Central New England crossed through town on its way from Hartford to Canaan and eventually Maybrook, NY”.

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

I believe this picture shows a train and station of the Naugatuck Railroad in Winsted.

At the time of this picture, the Central New England Railroad ran through northern Connecticut (Winsted), entered New York State at Millerton, crossed the Hudson River on the Poughkeepsie bridge (built in 1888) and then went through Maybrook, NY. It provided a connection from New England to the west. The Central New England was merged into the New Haven in 1927. The Maybrook Line to which Tom refers ran through southern Connecticut from Cedar Hill Yard (2 miles east of the station in New Haven) to Naugatuck (now Devon) Junction, through Danbury, to the Poughkeepsie Bridge and Maybrook. This was the modern New Haven's freight route into New York State which had heavy steam engines (2-10-2 Santa Fe types) and later multiple unit diesels.

MELGAR

Weaver made a brass model of New Haven I-4 #1389.

MELGAR

Apples55 posted:

”Brand new NH 4-6-4 Class I-5 #1400, at Westerly, R.I. in March 1937 .... J. W. Swanberg Collection”.

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo

Weaver also made a brass model of New Haven I-5 #1403.

MELGAR

Would love MTH to do an I-5!

Love the pics!

Peter

Guys...I have had to close this thread because we have been contacted by a legal firm informing us that quite a few photographs in this thread (and some others on the forum) are copyrighted.  Contrary to a firm that contacted us by certified mail a few months ago, this firm is giving an opportunity to delete the photos that are violating copyright....they have even provided the evidence.  The firm that contacted us earlier, did not do that and demanded lots of money which caused OGR to have our legal department get involved.  So...this thread is locked and now it is going to be up to you to go to your posts in the next few days and delete photos that you have copied from online sources....you must assume that all of those are copyrighted even if they do not have the watermarks.  If you don't take the time to do this, OGR will have to delete the entire thread as we don't have the resources to devote hours and hours to editing and correcting this problem.  As a reminder, our TOS warns against using copyrighted photos...we do not condone it.  If you want to start a thread about the New Haven and use non-copyrighted photos of real trains, then do so in the real trains forum.  Model New Haven trains are appropriate in this forum....this is also part of our TOS....use the correct categories for your postings.  Sorry guys and gals but OGR can not protect you from copyright legal actions which at least one of our forum members (an ex-member now) is going through...and it is going to cost thousands...so be very careful....!!

UPDATE:  Well, it seems that the forum software of which we have limited control, does not allow individuals to delete pictures or posts when it is closed.  If I leave it open, then there will be some folks that feel compelled to post their objections to all of this without regard to the real facts of the situation.  If we close the thread, then the entire topic will get deleted for the reasons stated above.  Since we have not been required at this point to delete the thread, I am going to take a chance and re-open it trusting that you all will continue to contribute but will go back in the next few days and make sure you have not posted copyrighted photos.  Lets see what happens....  Please be respectful....

Hello Everyone:

I just went back and deleted any photos that I posted in this thread where I had a doubt of their origin.  In all cases where I did this, I added this notation:

[Sorry; image removed to avoid potential copyright issues.  Contact me offline if you'd like a private copy.]

As the note says, if any of you would like a private copy of the original image, please contact me offline. 

If the photos remain on  a post I made, it's because I own the original slide, print, or NH brochure/poster from which the image was taken/scanned.

Steven J. Serenska

         I too have been going back and deleting photos, a lot of nice ones I ran across online

looking for info on things...  how do you know what photos that you can use that you run

across that do not have a copyright on them...        like you said Steven,

"Sad that this sort of thing has to happen"      as I thought we were all just sharing photos

and information on a great hobby we all like here...  some of which many people would never

see if not shared here,  not like we are selling them to make a profit off of them...

                         well, back to deleting photos, wish I knew

          which ones were safe to leave on here...   have a great day everyone !!

Alan,  I made a living for thirty years standing behind a  camera and on a couple of occasions had to enforce my copyright.  If the prime functional of this forum is educational it seems most of these alleged infringements would fall under Fair Use. Not to mention that the copyright on most of these old photos has expired. On many the only copyright material is for instance "NHRHTA.ORG" where the copyright on the photo itself likely expired years ago. A quick trip to photoshop will remove that from the photo.          j

JohnActon posted:

Alan,  I made a living for thirty years standing behind a  camera and on a couple of occasions had to enforce my copyright.  If the prime functional of this forum is educational it seems most of these alleged infringements would fall under Fair Use. Not to mention that the copyright on most of these old photos has expired. On many the only copyright material is for instance "NHRHTA.ORG" where the copyright on the photo itself likely expired years ago. A quick trip to photoshop will remove that from the photo.          j

John....any site that has paid advertising on it is not considered an educational site...this is from copyright law.  PLEASE...instead of having a discussion on this here in this thread, just do some research.  If you don't believe me, then call up your local attorney and have him explain it to you....Thanks!

Alan,

I do not copy or download any photographs from the internet. My posts on this thread included only photographs that I have taken with nothing copied from elsewhere on the internet. However, some of my replies had included photos that others had previously downloaded and posted onto this thread. I went through all my posts on this thread and deleted any photographs that I had copied as part of my replies. I left notations where the photographs had been removed.

MELGAR

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...26#94347277636357626

MELGAR posted:

I went through all my posts on this thread and deleted any photographs that I had copied as part of my replies. I left notations where the photographs had been removed.

Missed one.

MELGAR posted:

GRJ,

Not sure if you're serious or kidding. I see only a photo that I took at the link you gave.

MELGAR

Hey Melgar:

I think GRJ was simultaneously kidding and not kidding.  Kidding because he got to say "You missed one!" after all your hard work and not kidding because it does look like you missed one.  At this link:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...26#94347277636357626

There's the awesome photo of the ”Brand new NH 4-6-4 Class I-5 #1400, at Westerly, R.I. in March 1937 .... J. W. Swanberg Collection”.

I was going to comment on this photo the other day; It's interesting that the photo of the model you posted shows the older NYNH&H logo on the tender whereas the image in the photo shows "NEW HAVEN" in block letters.  Such an attractive loco.

Steven J. Serenska

 UPDATE: It looks like you went back and removed the image while I was typing this reply...

I wasn't kidding, but I see it's removed now.

I did not see a photo but deleted a small icon... Thanks.

MELGAR

"Any New Haven Fans" has been an interesting and educational thread that has been running for more than two years and 800 posts. As a New Haven fan, historian and model railroader, I would like to see it continue. As such, here is my next photograph, taken on my layout this evening.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

"Any New Haven Fans" has been an interesting and educational thread that has been running for more than two years and 800 posts. As a New Haven fan, historian and model railroader, I would like to see it continue. As such, here is my next photograph, taken on my layout this evening.

MELGAR

 

 

Now that photo is gorgeous, and would look great on the cover of OGR Magazine, IMO. Arnold

Mel, before this thread disappears, how about a video of your I-5 in action. Perhaps  it will stimulate MTH to release one rather than a 49er wanna be as it did last year.

Visited Mel before my surgery. Beautiful trains and layouts. Buildings are impeccable. 

New Haven Alco PA #0771 (model by Sunset/3rd Rail) - Osgood Bradley American Flyer passenger car #8204 (21-inch model by Weaver) - 60 foot passenger car #6843 (model by Atlas O) crossing 144-foot (36-inch) truss bridge built from kit - on my 12'-by-8' layout.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

New Haven Alco PA #0771 (model by Sunset/3rd Rail) - Osgood Bradley American Flyer passenger car #8204 (21-inch model by Weaver) - 60 foot passenger car #6843 (model by Atlas O) crossing 144-foot (36-inch) truss bridge built from kit - on my 12'-by-8' layout.

MELGAR

Stunning

McGinnis Anyone?

Beginnings of a model of the Coal tower over at Cedar Hill. I found some old scale drawings online. Any recommendations on how to cover the cylinder? I was thinking plaster cloth.

I would use a hard but flexible material. Spray it with a fine sand finish.

Suggestions:

1) 1/32-inch thick basswood (3-inch or 6-inch width) with grain vertical. Moisten one side, allow to curl, then glue to frame while still wet. Secure edges with masking tape and rubber bands until everything is dry. Paint with concrete color textured paint.

2) Basswood as above then cover curved surface with textured construction paper to eliminate wood grain and seams. Paint concrete color.

3) Cover with thin styrene plastic sheeting. Glue sheeting to wood framework with styrene cement.

4) Plank surface with 1/4-inch wide vertical basswood strips. Sandpaper to curved contour when planking complete.

MELGAR

Nice McGinnis collection but McGinnis was not the only paint scheme on the New Haven Railroad. New Haven DER-1 #0722, The Cranberry, an ALCO DL-109, had a one-of-a-kind paint scheme and ran on Cape Cod during the 1950s. Model by MTH with PS2.

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MELGAR

Harry Henning made a coaling tower out of an old plastic container.  Once it was all decorated, it looks great.

I made a coaling tower and a similar item (oil tank) out of coffee cans that I wrapped in poster board that was softened with a steam iron; glued it with 3M spray adhesive held with rubber bands until dry. They've held for over 10 years now.

PVC coaling cilos.

          very nice Don,  they look great !

Are there any New Haven fans still out there?

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MELGAR

ctr posted:

McGinnis Anyone?

Wow, CTR, they look fantastic together