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Further clarification on the window band colors:

On page 90 of "The New Haven's Streamline Passenger Fleet 1934-1953," by Geoffrey Doughty, referring to the "Postwar Pullmans," he states: "...very few made it into Amtrak Service."

On pages 113 and 114, Doughty shows photos (taken in 1967 and '68) of two sleeping cars in the "Beach" series with unpainted window bands. On page 120, he states that under Penn Central "many of the postwar stainless steel cars" ... received ... "a green stripe where the McGinnis red-orange had been in the window section of the car."

On page 538 of "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by Alvin Stauffer, the author shows a photo of one of the 27 "Point" series sleepers and states that they were the "only New Haven sleepers with a painted window band that was olive green as built but repainted red-orange under the McGinnis administration."

So, that is the window band color story as best I can ascertain it.

MELGAR

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In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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New Haven FL-9 #2043 running on my 12’-by-8’ layout completed in 2004.

 

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This certainly was the “deal of the century” since the Virginian had paid about 200K per loco just a few years before!

Peter

MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

Apples55 posted:
MELGAR posted:

In 1963 and in bankruptcy, the New Haven Railroad purchased 12 nearly new electric locomotives, at a cost of only $300,000, from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway, which had ceased its electric operations. These EF-4s had modern technology, were perfect for the New Haven’s electric infrastructure, and hauled freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn).

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Wow... I had no idea that the NH ran to Bay Ridge!!! Do you know what trackage they used to get there??? Growing up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I lived near the LIRR cut at “the Junction” (where Flatbush Ave. crossed Nostrand Ave.) - I believe that Line ended up in Bay Ridge, but not sure.

The New Haven Railroad ran freight trains to the 65th Street Yard in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn from 1927 to 1968. Trains came off the New York Connecting Railroad (Hellgate Bridge), passed through Fresh Pond in Queens and ran on electrified trackage through Brooklyn to carfloats which carried freight cars to and from New Jersey.

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Apples55 posted:

I hate to admit it, but I am beginning to like Facebook... well the train groups anyway!!! Here is another gem from my feed today... the caption reads:

“New Haven No. 322, a 1927 Baldwin-Westinghouse Electric at Danbury, Connecticut, on its way to Norwalk and then on to New York City. No. 322 was scrapped in 1958”.

This is a real beauty!!! For some reason, I love boxcabs.

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Paul,

I've studiously avoided going on Facebook but your posts from that site are very interesting. The electrification between Norwalk and Danbury was shut down when electric motors such as this EP-2 were replaced by FL-9 diesel-electrics.

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My brother and I are huge NHRR fans...our grandfather worked for the NH for 50 years and retired in the 50's.  Once he retired, he'd take us down to the Charles Street Roundhouse to see the engines and catch up with his work friends.  One fond memory was the day I was able to run the turntable with an engine on it...or at least the operator made me believe I was running it...many great memories of grandfather and the NHRR.  We've lost track of the pictures he had of the yard....hopefully the pics will pop up some day.

In response to a question on another thread I posted the following:

There are two locations along the Northeast Corridor in Connecticut where the train passes along a beach. The most famous one is at Rocky Neck State Park in East Lyme, CT and was a frequent subject of photographers in the days of the New Haven Railroad. A short distance away, the tracks pass along a beach on Niantic Bay in Niantic, CT. I took the picture below of Rocky Neck Beach from an Amtrak train on the way to Boston... On a warm summer day it is jammed with beach goers.

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Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

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Those FL-9s look clean and have decent paint considering that the New Haven had been in bankruptcy for about 7 years when this photo supposedly was taken and only another 5 months or so remained until it was merged into Penn Central.

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Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

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briansilvermustang posted:

I'm not sure how this photo was created but it is a very proficient piece of modeling and photography.

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          thanks Melgar !

I think this New Haven checkerboard livery is very attractive, but my recollection is that it never existed on real New Haven trains. Is that true?

MELGAR posted:
Apples55 posted:

Another great pic from my Facebook feed... the caption reads:

”New Haven FL9 No. 2033 with train No. 10, the Murray Hill, arriving at New Haven, CT on July 21, 1968. A Roger Puta photo.

The EMD FL9 (New Haven Class EDER-5) was a dual-power electro-diesel locomotive, capable of diesel-electric operation and as an electric locomotive powered from a third rail. Sixty units were built between October 1956 and November 1960 by General Motors Electro-Motive Division for the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad”.

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MELGAR;

I hesitate to point out that your FL-9 is as clean and spiffy as my pic  

But seriously, I was hunting around online and found that the 2033 was built 09/1960, so the photo may be a rare artifact of the one and only time the engine appeared in that condition!!! Here is a link to a page I found with info on NH engines...

http://rrpicturearchives.net/l...cture.aspx?id=225030

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