any New Haven fans ....

The New Haven had a fleet of 125 NE-5 steel cabooses acquired in 1939, 1942 and, like C-627, in 1944.

MELGAR

This morning after posting out a MO at the Spencer,NC P.O. to a fellow forum member for a passenger set passed by the NCTM.  And here is what I saw.

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

                                                   info on this train please....

Picture shows the John Quincy Adams, the New Haven's second lightweight train, delivered in February 1957 by ACF Industries. The train was made up of five three-unit coaches with each unit 34 feet in length. It seated 478 passengers but had no dining services. Fairbanks-Morse diesel-electric locomotives (road numbers 3100 and 3101) were positioned at the front and rear of the train, each producing 1,720 HP. They operated into Grand Central Terminal on the 650-volt DC third-rail and thus were given the New Haven designation EDER-7 (Electric-Diesel-Electric Road). At twelve feet in height, they were more than two feet lower than a New Haven C-Liner diesel locomotive. The train had a top speed of 117 MPH and went into service on the Shore Line in March 1957. It was considered rough-riding and the lack of dining facilities was problematical on the roughly four-hour run between New York and Boston. The train was withdrawn from service in 1958. The picture shows the fifteen coaches and two locomotives. Note also that the locomotive appears to be displaying a white flag - indicating that it is some kind of a special train...

MELGAR

Mel, thank you for the info on the John Quincy Adams, the New Haven's lightweight train, Brian

          are the cars articulated ?

briansilvermustang posted:

Mel, thank you for the info on the John Quincy Adams, the New Haven's lightweight train, Brian

You're welcome, Brian. Writing about New Haven trains keeps me out of trouble...

Yes - cars were articulated.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

Mel, thank you for the info on the John Quincy Adams, the New Haven's lightweight train, Brian

You're welcome, Brian. Writing about New Haven trains keeps me out of trouble...

MELGAR

An interesting fact: Amtrak runs the newer model of the Talgo train between Seattle and Vancouver today. We ride and they are pretty comfy. Just took 50 years to get them right   Look up Amtrak Cascade to see. And a really funny transition car to the F59 diesel that is NOT 2 foot lower than the FM diesel of 1957

Brian,

These were not the cars on the JQ Adams. The New Haven cars were only 34 feet long and had four windows on each side... Note in the picture how each truck was shared by two units.

MELGAR

          thank you Mel.  do you happen to know what train these cars are from....

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed 2 photos.

          are these the type of cars on the NH  John Quincy Adams train...

I believe this car was part of the Flying Yankee, a train run jointly by the Boston & Maine and Maine Central Railroads which entered service between Boston, Portland and Bangor, Maine in 1935. The train operated until 1957 and has been in the process of restoration at Lincoln, New Hampshire. New England - yes. New Haven - no...

MELGAR

thank you again Mel !!

briansilvermustang posted:

Hey Brian:

I somehow missed this when you first posted it.  Can you give us more info about his lovely watercolor?  Who did it?  Are prints available?  Does the artist have a website?

Thanks.

Steven J. Serenska

Here is one in my front room.

Steven,

New Haven FL-9 2019 is pictured at Thomaston, Connecticut, home of the Railroad Museum of New England. Their website states that FL-9 2019 has been used as a regular engine on their excursion trains since 2009. You can find information on the watercolor at the link below.

http://www.jamesmannartfarm.com/jmas311.html

MELGAR

MELGAR:

Thanks for that.  It's exactly what I needed.

On the subject of the New Haven RR and train room decorations, there are a number of 1940's New Haven posters showing a number of New England locations.  These are widely available, relatively inexpensive, and are quite attractive:

While the poster above is my favorite, the one below will be posted above the exit to my Rhode Island-themed train room after I get it framed:

There are many available and, if you live in or are from New England, there's sure to be one that suits your needs. This link shows all of them on eBay.

Enjoy.

Steven J. Serenska

Serenska posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

Hey Brian:

I somehow missed this when you first posted it.  Can you give us more info about his lovely watercolor?  Who did it?  Are prints available?  Does the artist have a website?

Thanks.

Steven J. Serenska

 

 

                                     http://jamesmannartfarm.com/jmas311.html

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

K-Line New Haven ALCO RS-3 #518 and MTH New Haven ALCO DL-109 #719.

MELGAR

                                                 COOL !! very nice Mel

briansilvermustang posted:

Was this DL109 used as a stationary power plant in this timeframe? The all orange paint seems to be maintenance of way colors?

briansilvermustang posted:

Kind of a dumb question, but the New Haven is the only road I have noticed that will put a leading zero in front of a three digit engine number. Does that zero signify anything???

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

Kind of a dumb question, but the New Haven is the only road I have noticed that will put a leading zero in front of a three digit engine number. Does that zero signify anything???

When the New Haven Railroad began to buy diesels, they prefixed the diesel road numbers with a "zero" to indicate that the locomotive was "0ther" than steam. After all steam engines had been retired, the zeros were removed.

MELGAR 

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

During the 1950s, New Haven managements allowed their electric locomotives to deteriorate and began to use FL-9 diesels to pull freight trains under wires that had to remain electrified for passenger service into New York City. After declaring bankruptcy in 1961, the trustees realized they needed new electric freight locomotives and, in 1963, they acquired 12 nearly new electric locomotives from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway at the bargain price of $300,000 total. These 3,300 HP motors, designated EF-4, and numbered #300-310, were known as “bricks” on the New Haven and usually ran in pairs. They utilized 11,000-volt AC power and converted it to DC for the traction motors, like the New Haven’s EP-5 passenger electrics. They ran between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn) and lasted until the Penn Central takeover in 1969, when they became PC Class E-33 and were removed from New Haven territory. They became Conrail property in 1976 and ran until 1981.

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

Kind of a dumb question, but the New Haven is the only road I have noticed that will put a leading zero in front of a three digit engine number. Does that zero signify anything???

When the New Haven Railroad began to buy diesels, they prefixed the diesel road numbers with a "zero" to indicate that the locomotive was "0ther" than steam. After all steam engines had been retired, the zeros were removed.

MELGAR 

Thanks MELGAR. You are a treasure trove of fascinating info.

I would order a Lionel Legacy FL9 so fast....

 

Thanks MELGAR. You are a treasure trove of fascinating info.

I've been called a lot of things before - but never a "treasure trove..." 

MELGAR

A correction to my earlier post:

The New Haven Railroad began the practice of having a "zero" prefix on the road numbers of its electric locomotives in 1906, when it was building its AC electrification between Woodlawn, New York and Stamford, Connecticut. The zero indicated that the locomotive was "0ther" than steam. This numbering also applied to New Haven diesel locomotives beginning in 1931 and lasted until steam engines were retired from the railroad in the 1950s. 

MELGAR 

MELGAR posted:

A correction to my earlier post:

The New Haven Railroad began the practice of having a "zero" prefix on the road numbers of its electric locomotives in 1906, when it was building its AC electrification between Woodlawn, New York and Stamford, Connecticut. The zero indicated that the locomotive was "0ther" than steam. This numbering also applied to New Haven diesel locomotives beginning in 1931 and lasted until steam engines were retired from the railroad in the 1950s. 

MELGAR 

Thanks for the additional info, MELGAR... You're still a treasure trove   

Putnam Division posted:

WOW! A great topic. I grew up near the New Haven line in the northeast Bronx that eventually crossed the HellGate bridge.

My paternal grandparents lived in Larchmont just north and west of the station. I grew up watching McGinnis-liveried jets go flying by! I could get up close before I-95 was built.....

Of course, in 1958, I asked Santa to bring me the New Haven F3 freight set in the Lionel catalog.

This is my office computer, so I don't have a lot of pics here....this is what I have:

My DL 109-110 with PS3:

My EP-5 set from the 56 Lionel catalog:

My F3 set from the 58 Lionel catalog:

I grew up in Mt. Vernon, NY, and the New Haven Line ran through the heart of the City. Great pictures; they bring back fond memories. I often rode those NH trains with my mother, who took me with her to go shopping in NYC.

When I was a kid, a hardware store in Mt. Vernon, Telly Hardware, sold Lionel Trains. My Dad took me there when I was about 10 or 11 years old. They had a Lionel EP5 that I most wanted, but it was a little too expensive, so my Dad bought me a B&O center cab 44 ton Lionel Diesel, a very nice peppy engine made in the late 50s, which I still have and run on my layout. 

I'm sure what I am about to say applies to many of us. Forty years later, I go to a train show, see that Lionel post-war NH EP5, and made it mine. I think I especially love it now because I could not have it when I was a kid.

I even love the ridiculous sounding bicycle horn in that Lionel post-war EP5. 

  nmp...                  some New Haven running at N J hi-railers train club.....

Eddiem and I set up a small layout at the Cheshire CT train show today. 

We got to meet MELGAR!

PS: That is not us in the photo.

The first Acela train in the morning leaves Providence, RI at 5:40am and will get you to NYC about 3 hours later.  This is useful, because you can get there comfortably in time for a 10am meeting pretty much anywhere in Manhattan.  One of my favorite things to do on that train is sit on the left side of the train (water side) and watch the sunrise over Westerly, RI and Stonington, CT.

The five photos below were taken from inside an Amtrak train running along the Northeast corridor in a few Connecticut shore towns such as Old Lyme, Madison, Noank, etc.  These were taken on the second train out of Providence which leaves at around 6:50am.  I was on my way down from Rhode Island to attend the Fall TCA York meet, so the pictures are that much more special for me.

The first two show just how close the tracks are to the water's edge.  Believe it or not, these are further away than some spots where the right of way is literally 10-20 feet from the water.

The promenade, fencing, and benches along this stretch are somewhat new, having been added to this beach in the past few years.

The next image shows one of the many small salt marshes in the Madison, CT. area.  If I had had my thinking cap on, I would have taken a photo of one of the half dozen or so gated grade crossings through this area.  It's hard to believe that the Acela still passes by several roads that are only protected by crossing gates.

The final two photos show another stretch of beach from the train window.  These photos are kind of hard to capture because you need to time your shots to miss the overhead wire stanchions as they pass by the windows.  You have to sit there and get into a groove of 1-2-3-click!, 1-2-3-click! as the train passes the stanchions.

Whenever you take the train from NYC to New England, remember to sit on the right going north and the left side going south for the best water views.

Steven J. Serenska

Great photos, Steve! It is a very scenic ride along what once was the New Haven Railroad. I often ride Shoreline East from New Haven to New London, just to enjoy the views...

And likewise it was great to meet Don Masso at today's show in Cheshire, CT.

MELGAR

There's one stretch of that line where I clocked the Acela at 149 MPH. Wow. A very nice ride.

And a newer train coming in the next 2 years or so.

It's 2 weeks before Christmas, 1957 and time to do some last minute shopping at Macy's in NYC. Before we board the New Haven in downtown Mt. Vernon, my mother and I stop at the Beehive for the best brunch money can buy including a milk shake served in the big old fashioned tin (that means 2 milkshakes for the price of one).

After brunch, got to run to catch that New Haven Train in the pictures below so we can buy more Lionel trains at Macy's. 

Meant to caption that NH tool train in the hole. Sorry, not the most computer facile on the forum

Ran this last night after servicing a GG1. Oiled and greased it for the first time in over 15 years. I'll take Bosch purple grease over Red&Tacky any day - 15+years service life! Anyway here's the "Merchants Ltd" pulling in for a mail stop. Now i need a favor. Running 042 curves, full scale equipment just doesn't look right. Hence i've decided to build my own EP3 "Flat Bottom" on a spare K-Line GG1 chassis out of a combination of brass and styrene. Does anyone have any photos showing the roof top details. At this point i'm thinking of building the roof out of wood with .010" styrene laminated over it unless i can find someone to make me a 3D file to have it printed in 3D.

Check the motor height on that K line GG1 - I wanted to do an EP4 on a Williams GG1 - the older ones have pretty tall motors (but I think the recent ones have much smaller motors - I may be back in business). Was gonna rig something up using either a modified EP5 shell from a lionel or hack up some F3 shells. The nose/window height on the EP4 is tighter than the F units - wasn't sure exactly how to work that. Maybe 3D print.

Jim

Jim, Funny you should mention that. As i was doing some preliminary measurements and making the first of several cardboard mock-ups, i was using the aforementioned GG1, an older Williams one, that was on one of my benches for service to get some measurements. Motor height was clearly going to be a problem.  I then pulled a K-Line one out of the box and happily discovered it has smaller motors.

A while back I purchased a new in the box Aristocraft  G scale New Haven RDC.  No place to run it since I'm 0 gauge only.  So it sits on a shelf in the den looking very cool.  RICH

The New Haven had a fleet of 125 NE-5 steel cabooses acquired in 1939, 1942 and, like C-627, in 1944.

MELGAR

Metro-North #231 is a GE P32AC-DM locomotive painted in the New Haven’s McGinnis color scheme. Like the FL-9s they replaced, the P32s are dual-mode diesel-electrics which can also operate on third-rail DC electric power for operation into Grand Central Terminal. Metro-North’s 231 examples were purchased between 1995 and 1998 and have 3200 HP. #231 is owned by the Connecticut Department of Transportation and was photographed at Danbury, CT on June 1, 2017.

MELGAR

I am slowly collecting New Haven trains.  I have 5 of the Menards NH boxcars .  I looking engines & cabooses next .   

Thanks everyone for sharing your pictures .  

I do have HO stuff in  New Haven as well . 

Traingineers are modeling a New Haven Station for one of our Traintastic Customers... moving right along!

Happy Tracks!
TrainDame aka Dorcie Farkash
TW TrainWorx
Dallas, TX | Concord, NC USA
(214) 634-2965
www.trainworxlayouts.com 

Traindame posted:

Traingineers are modeling a New Haven Station for one of our Traintastic Customers... moving right along!

Happy Tracks!
TrainDame aka Dorcie Farkash
TW TrainWorx
Dallas, TX | Concord, NC USA
(214) 634-2965
www.trainworxlayouts.com 

It appears that the model is a compressed version of the New Haven, CT station.  I took these photos in 2009.  Please post photos of the finished model.  NH Joe

This is a photo of a picture that is inside the station.  This picture was taken shortly after the station was built.

Trackside in 2009.

Street side in 2009.

New Haven Station, built in 1920, is a beautiful station any way you look at it. It is more than worthy of its listing on the National Register of Historic Places. Note Metro-North and New Haven Railroad O-Gauge model trains in third photo.

MELGAR

Here are more photos that I took of the New Haven, CT station while I attended the 2009 Hartford National NMRA Convention. NH Joe

Main waiting room.  The bench backs have O gauge MTH models of NH trains in enclosed glass or plexiglass cases on the top.  

This is a close up of the chandelier.  They have been beautifully restored.

This the restored ceiling.  

Another view of waiting room.  I really like the flag.

An Amtrak train is ready to depart.  Note the NH on the passenger car.

View of the passenger platforms.

This is the station's yard throat at the the West (New York) end of the station.  The NH mainline from New York to Boston runs mostly West to East along Long Island Sound.  I always get confused because I think of Boston as being North of New York but it is really Northeast of New York with most of the distance being to the East.  

This is the NH motor storage yard next to station.  The NH railroad called their electric engines "motors".  Amtrak evidently uses the yard to store diesels and electric engines.  

Traindame posted:

Traingineers are modeling a New Haven Station for one of our Traintastic Customers... moving right along!

Happy Tracks!
TrainDame aka Dorcie Farkash
TW TrainWorx
Dallas, TX | Concord, NC USA
(214) 634-2965
www.trainworxlayouts.com 

Darcie;

That is spectacular. Can't wait to see the completed station.

New Haven #33732 is a 40-foot steel boxcar manufactured by Pullman-Standard as part of an order for 500 cars built between December 1947 and January 1948. These cars had an empty weight of 45,500 pounds, a loaded weight of 120,000 pounds, and a 7-foot door width. The interiors were 40-feet 6-inches in length, 10-feet 6-inches in height, and 9-feet 2-inches in width, with a volume of 3,903 cubic-feet. Pictured at Danbury (CT) Railway Museum – June 1, 2017.

MELGAR

Brian,

Could you send be that pic of the NH caboose # C-548? It doesn't have to be perfect - i'm interested in the curvature of where the roof meets the side wall. Address is in my profile. Thank you.

briansilvermustang posted:

 

 

Great pictures taken on the Valley Railroad which operates between Essex, Deep River and Chester, Connecticut. It should be noted however that "New Haven" #3025 is not an actual New Haven Railroad steam locomotive, of which none have been preserved. #3025 is actually a China Railways SY 2-8-2 locomotive which was purchased and rebuilt by the Valley Railroad to resemble a New Haven J-1 Mikado type. The Connecticut Valley Railroad between Hartford and Saybrook Point was completed in 1871 and absorbed into the New Haven Railroad in 1892. The Valley Railroad runs on the original right of way along the Connecticut River.

MELGAR

I have been a New Haven fan as long as I can remember. Born and raised in Lebanon, Ct. the ‘Air Line’ ran alongside my grandparents farm. The flood in 1955 that took out a bridge in Putnam, Ct. all but put an end to any trains from Willimantic to Middletown, Ct. except for the occasional Budd car that went through. I bought a piece of the farm from my grandmother in the late 70’s continuing to raise beef cattle and turkeys and named the farm Air Line Acres. I still live here and continue to bale the hay from the fields that my grandparents once worked. I’ve been told that after the 1938 hurricane I5 hudsons ran the Air Line until the shoreline was repaired. The Air Line is now a walking trail and I can only imagine what the White Train must have looked like going through the meadow. 

Keith

It should be noted that this was the second SY 2-8-2 ordered from China. The first was lost at sea during the passage from Asia, somewhere in the Pacific.

pokey493 posted:

I have been a New Haven fan as long as I can remember. Born and raised in Lebanon, Ct. the ‘Air Line’ ran alongside my grandparents farm. The flood in 1955 that took out a bridge in Putnam, Ct. all but put an end to any trains from Willimantic to Middletown, Ct. except for the occasional Budd car that went through. I bought a piece of the farm from my grandmother in the late 70’s continuing to raise beef cattle and turkeys and named the farm Air Line Acres. I still live here and continue to bale the hay from the fields that my grandparents once worked. I’ve been told that after the 1938 hurricane I5 hudsons ran the Air Line until the shoreline was repaired. The Air Line is now a walking trail and I can only imagine what the White Train must have looked like going through the meadow. 

Keith

Keith:

Thanks for sharing these remembrances. Next time you're out on the "back 40", please take your camera and take a few pictures of your family's place, plus the walking trail, particularly where it crossed the meadow.  I know we'd all like to see it.

Steven J. Serenska

This is for Joe, a New Haven enthusiast from Yonkers, NY whose father worked for the Borden Milk Plant in Mt. Vernon, NY., inspired me to take these pictures:

That could be a dairy farm in Baldwin, NY in the early 1950, loading containers in a milk car.

Southbound New Haven train delivering milk to the Borden Milk Plant!

New Haven milk train, leaving Bronx, traveling through Yonkers and Mt. Vernon, and heading for dairy farm in Baldwin Place, NY (in Northern Westchester County.

Here is the rest of the run to the Baldwin Place dairy farm and back:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

Arnold, love your signature.  "In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind."

My kids sent me one a few years ago that I always like to quote;

I live in my own little world.  But it's OK, they know me there.

Dan Padova posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

Arnold, love your signature.  "In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind."

My kids sent me one a few years ago that I always like to quote;

I live in my own little world.  But it's OK, they know me there.

Dan, I love your signature too.

In addition to O Gauge trains, another passion of mine is songwriting. "In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind" is a lyric in my song that is played during a video of Phil Klopp's magnificent train layout on YouTube. You can access the video/song by going on YouTube, typing in the search box Arnold Cribari, and clicking on Model Train Song Who Am I Rollin' By.

I will also send you the link if I can remember how to do that.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The EP-5's were almost exclusively used on passenger trains and occasionally mail and express trains.  Three EP-5's wound up in freight service under Penn Central.

Source: EP-5 Jets - Classic Power No. 9 by Joe Cunningham.  Published by N.J. International 1991.

Rusty

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

Urgent: if I can justify running my milk train with a New Haven EP5, it could save me $600 because then I would not have to buy the Lionel postwar F3 A & B units! Can the milk train be pulled by the EP5?LOL

Rusty Traque posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The EP-5's were almost exclusively used on passenger trains and occasionally mail and express trains.  Three EP-5's wound up in freight service under Penn Central.

Source: EP-5 Jets - Classic Power No. 9 by Joe Cunningham.  Published by N.J. International 1991.

Rusty

Thanks Rusty, you have answered my question.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The only "flaw" I see is running a PRR caboose instead of a NH caboose on the train.  However, it is your world and anything goes.  You have a beautiful layout.  Thanks for sharing.

NH Joe

Arnold,

I enjoy your musings... On a more serious note, New Haven was an ALCO road during the steam and diesel eras and did not own any EMD F-series diesels until they bought the FL-9 locomotives beginning in 1955 - same year as they got the EP-5s which were intended for passenger service into Grand Central Terminal, as Rusty said. ALCO S-2 and RS-3 diesels would be more appropriate during the early 1950s - and also electric freight engines such as the EF-3s. MTH has made models of each of these types. The New Haven Safe Milk Company shipped milk - possibly on the main line into New York City but I think that much more milk traffic came down from Vermont on the Rutland and New York Central. Doesn't matter - run whatever tweaks your imagination as long as it says NH...

MELGAR

New Haven Joe posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The only "flaw" I see is running a PRR caboose instead of a NH caboose on the train.  However, it is your world and anything goes.  You have a beautiful layout.  Thanks for sharing.

NH Joe

Joe, I totally agree with you. I will try hunt for a New Haven caboose. Problem is, I don't think Luonel made a post war New Haven caboose or even a NY Central  post war caboose. Maybe K Line or other company made them.

MELGAR posted:

Arnold,

I enjoy your musings... On a more serious note, New Haven was an ALCO road during the steam and diesel eras and did not own any EMD F-series diesels until they bought the FL-9 locomotives beginning in 1955 - same year as they got the EP-5s which were intended for passenger service into Grand Central Terminal, as Rusty said. ALCO S-2 and RS-3 diesels would be more appropriate during the early 1950s - and also electric freight engines such as the EF-3s. MTH has made models of each of these types. The New Haven Safe Milk Company shipped milk - possibly on the main line into New York City but I think that much more milk traffic came down from Vermont on the Rutland and New York Central. Doesn't matter - run whatever tweaks your imagination as long as it says NH...

MELGAR

You should be a railroad historian, Melgar, thanks for the information!

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

New Haven Joe posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

There may be a flaw in my New Haven milk train.

Would there have been an EP5 Electric pulling that milk train? I would love to know the answer from someone. I Googled it and couldn't find the answer.

If only I had a Lionel New Haven F3 diesel (A& B units)!

 

The only "flaw" I see is running a PRR caboose instead of a NH caboose on the train.  However, it is your world and anything goes.  You have a beautiful layout.  Thanks for sharing.

NH Joe

Joe, I totally agree with you. I will try hunt for a New Haven caboose. Problem is, I don't think Luonel made a post war New Haven caboose or even a NY Central  post war caboose. Maybe K Line or other company made them.

Williams by Bachmann makes a copy of the post war NH cabooses.  I don't know if Lionel ever made a NH caboose in the post war era.  The Williams model may be a reproduction of a Lionel post war caboose painted in NH colors.  I will check with my TCA friends next week to see if anyone knows if Lionel made a NH caboose during the post war era.  I own modern nicely detailed NH cabooses by Atlas, MTH, and K-Line.  I don't recall if I have a Lionel NH caboose.  I will check to see if I have one.

The photo shows a Williams SD pulling a Williams caboose on the G&O garden railroad.  I still have the engine but I sold the caboose some time ago.

NH Joe

I had this custom painted a couple weeks ago from a old MPC shell. I later swapped frames with a TMCC Pennsy Tuscan GP7 with TMCC . The screw holes were broken on the Tuscan shell and was unable to find a replacement so now the New haven Geep has TMCC.

Gene H posted:

I had this custom painted a couple weeks ago from a old MPC shell. I later swapped frames with a TMCC Pennsy Tuscan GP7 with TMCC . The screw holes were broken on the Tuscan shell and was unable to find a replacement so now the New haven Geep has TMCC.

Looks great, Gene. Excellent work. 

 

 

 

Serenska posted:

pokey493 posted:

I have been a New Haven fan as long as I can remember. Born and raised in Lebanon, Ct. the ‘Air Line’ ran alongside my grandparents farm. The flood in 1955 that took out a bridge in Putnam, Ct. all but put an end to any trains from Willimantic to Middletown, Ct. except for the occasional Budd car that went through. I bought a piece of the farm from my grandmother in the late 70’s continuing to raise beef cattle and turkeys and named the farm Air Line Acres. I still live here and continue to bale the hay from the fields that my grandparents once worked. I’ve been told that after the 1938 hurricane I5 hudsons ran the Air Line until the shoreline was repaired. The Air Line is now a walking trail and I can only imagine what the White Train must have looked like going through the meadow. 

Keith

Keith:

Thanks for sharing these remembrances. Next time you're out on the "back 40", please take your camera and take a few pictures of your family's place, plus the walking trail, particularly where it crossed the meadow.  I know we'd all like to see it.

Steven J. Serenska

Decided to brave the cold today and snap some photos. 

This view is from the hayfield looking at the Air Line.

From the Air Line looking at the hayfield.

This is on the Air Line looking northeast.

This is on the Air Line looking southwest.

MELGAR posted:

pokey493 posted:

Decided to brave the cold today and snap some photos. 

 

This is on the Air Line looking northeast.

This is on the Air Line looking southwest.

In my opinion, these are the most significant NYNH&HRR photos ever posted on this thread.

MELGAR

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

briansilvermustang posted:

Can't get enough of the New Haven. I have always loved the orange, black and white, which is as gorgeous as it gets, but it's also nice to see the other liveries, which I'm not as familiar with.

Apples55 posted:

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

APPLES55,

POKEY493's pictures show what remains of a part of the New Haven's history that few people now recall or bother to investigate. As much as I like all the other pictures and comments on this thread, they can be found in many other places - books, on line and videos. POKEY493's pictures are unique. I sure would like to be able to walk along the airline...

MELGAR

MELGAR thank you for the kind words. I’ve been drawn to trains for as long as I can remember. Living within walking distance from the Air Line only made my interest in railroads greater. As I already stated the traffic on New Havens Air Line had already dwindled to occasional at best, when I was a boy. I remember the day that the crews came through pulling up the rails and taking the ties that could be reused. So happy to see a train but so sick to see the aftermath, I felt like crying. I’m glad that people are able to walk the Rails to Trails and enjoy the same woodlands and farmland the the passengers on the White Train saw outside their windows as they went from New York to Boston in 6hrs. in the 1890’s. My father told me after World War II the Line saw little use. I didn’t mean to highjack this thread I plan to have my own O gauge New Haven layout someday.

pokey493 posted:

MELGAR thank you for the kind words.

You're welcome. Why not get started soon on that New Haven layout?

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

APPLES55,

POKEY493's pictures show what remains of a part of the New Haven's history that few people now recall or bother to investigate. As much as I like all the other pictures and comments on this thread, they can be found in many other places - books, on line and videos. POKEY493's pictures are unique. I sure would like to be able to walk along the airline...

MELGAR

Well, MELGAR, now you've gone and done it... as a life long history fan, you are going to make me start doing some research on the NH as well as the Air Line!!! 

Thanks for your perspective.

Apples55 posted:

MELGAR posted:

Apples55 posted:

Melgar;

I am curious... what do you feel makes these pics so significant??? 

APPLES55,

POKEY493's pictures show what remains of a part of the New Haven's history that few people now recall or bother to investigate. As much as I like all the other pictures and comments on this thread, they can be found in many other places - books, on line and videos. POKEY493's pictures are unique. I sure would like to be able to walk along the airline...

MELGAR

Well, MELGAR, now you've gone and done it... as a life long history fan, you are going to make me start doing some research on the NH as well as the Air Line!!! 

Thanks for your perspective.

APPLES55,

It's not the first time I've gotten blamed for something!

In my opinion, the book which best covers the history and development of the NYNH&HRR is "Connecticut Railroads: An Illustrated History" by Gregg Turner and Melancthon Jacobus. It details all the Connecticut railroads that eventually became part of the New Haven, including the Boston & New York Air Line Railroad, which ran diagonally across the State and was a shorter route between New York, New Haven and Boston than the main route along the shoreline that is in use today.

Another resource is "New Haven Power 1838 - 1968" by J. W. Swanberg, which covers in great written and photographic detail all the New Haven's locomotive and car types up to the 1969 merger of the New Haven into the Penn Central.

Send me an e-mail if you want some help in locating these books.

MELGAR 

Again i'll make my request for help. As stated in an earlier post i'm need of some good photos of the roof detail s on an EP3 "Flatbottom". I'm attempting to model one in traditional "0" size using a spare K-Line GG1 chassis as a starting point. It will be fabricated out of brass and plastic - i'll post some photos as soon as i overcome fabricating the roof. At this point i'm almost done with the sides, and have figured out a means of attaching the body to the chassis.

Hence photos of the roof details will be appreciated. Thank you.

Some quick images of MTH EP3 roof. Note the steam boiler exhaust stack at the right side of photo 3.

MELGAR

I haven't seen these Lionel Alco's yet, this is the first train set I bought with my own money.....

Paul

MELGAR --- Thank you so much for the pics; these will give me a great starting point. It appears the engine you photographed is painted in the so-called "Brooks Brothers" scheme. Is the main color green or grey? If so does anyone know the exact name of the color? Also were the stripes white or silver. As i plan ahead, that is one of the two color schemes i'm considering; the other being pullman green with gold striping. Any others from anyone else will be appreciated. Thanks again.

The colors on #0350 are New Haven Hunter Green and Silver.

MELGAR

That was Jack Lemon....not TR.....

Dom, good one.  The New Haven I-5 Hudson ran when I was a young boy.  My Mother worked in the New Haven shops at Readville while my Father was serving in the Navy.  She has a great memory of that engine.   My engine is a Weaver engine that I converted to PS3.  This engine was great to do as it has sprung drivers and rollers on the tender.  The tender rollers combined with the engine rollers make an engine that can span bad track work if needed.  BTW, I do not have bad track work but do have an excellent running I-5 Hudson.   I recently did one of those engines for forum member Gerry Morlitz.

Here are a few that are a bit different...

After the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in January, 1969, the operating territory of the GG1 was extended to New Haven.  This GG1 is shown heading back to NY Penn Station.  It is about to pass over the **** Gate heading south.  Note the two REA cars following the engine.

[Sorry; image removed to avoid potential copyright issues.  Contact me offline if you'd like a private copy.]

After the NH's bankruptcy but before the Penn Central's, GG1's did indeed travel the NH Right of Way all the way to Union Station in New Haven:

[Sorry; image removed to avoid potential copyright issues.  Contact me offline if you'd like a private copy.]

It's not orange and black, but it's pretty darned cool!

Steven J. Serenska

The New Haven acquired 40 RDCs in 1952 and ‘53 and referred to them as “Shoreliners.” Twenty-nine were RDC-1s (passengers only), two were RDC-2s (baggage compartment at one end), six were RDC-3s (passenger, baggage and mail sections), and three were shorter RDC-4s (baggage and mail only). At the time, the New Haven was the country’s largest user of RDCs, running them mostly on branch lines and in commuter service. They were powered by two 275 HP General Motors diesel engines mounted below the floor, air-conditioned, and could accommodate 89 passengers. Many of these cars lasted until the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in 1969. New Haven Railroad Budd RDC 47 was photographed at the Danbury (CT) Railway Museum – June 1, 2017.

MELGAR

An I-5, an I-5; my kingdom for a RK I-5!

Hopefully......soon...... have to wait for the auction to end

And the winner is....... ME

My first 44 ton switcher. Been looking for one for a while. My first New Haven too.

                nice looking switcher !   

Thanks Brian. I just picked up a WbB BL-2 and was very impressed with the quality. Can't wait to see this one.

I was never a fan of Lionel's 44 ton switcher.  But this one, in New haven livery is a beauty.  

OOH- the Plymouth! Gotta get one to add to my collection.

Thanks Brian now I need to buy more stuff

I'm with you Dan. I don't like the Lionel's either. Too plain jane.

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

9604

http://www.lionel.com/products...-wsnow-plow-6-22624/

9603

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...74F26&PageID=995

briansilvermustang posted:

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

http://www.lionel.com/products...-wsnow-plow-6-22624/

Paul- I have two of these. They are from K-line. great little switchers, good pulling power and smoke too. I have one pulling 6 freight cars now.

Not to hijack the thread but here they are in action.

Bob

                                     very Cool Bob !!     they look GREAT

Thanks Brian and Bob... I'll have to keep my eyes out for one of those.

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

Do these locos come with standard Lionel operating knuckle couplers ?

Brian posted pictures of New Haven 44 Ton, S-2 and RS-3 locomotives. Here are models of same. GE 44 Ton #0807 and ALCO S-2 #0617 are recent MTH models. ALCO RS-3 #518 is a much older K-Line model.

MELGAR

          like them switchers Mel !!!

briansilvermustang posted:

          like them switchers Mel !!!

Thanks Brian. But nothing can compare with your phenomenal diesel collection!

MELGAR

Dan Padova posted:

Apples55 posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

 

Brian;

I love this little engine... do you know anything about it???

Do these locos come with standard Lionel operating knuckle couplers ?

Dan- the two I have came with fixed knuckle couplers. The PRR model still has them but the NYC has a slightly smaller operating couplers installed. I believe they will accept kadees if that is your preference.

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

Brian also posted this picture, which deserves a special comment if one is a New Haven fan.

The picture shows ALCO S-2 #0600 on the team tracks adjacent to the office and yard of the Union Freight Railroad at 87 Atlantic Avenue in Boston.

The New Haven was a part-owner of the Union Freight Railroad which ran through the middle of the streets in Boston’s North End and operated mostly at night. Its purpose was to haul freight (mostly box cars) between North and South Stations, a distance of 2.11 miles, and to businesses along the Boston waterfront on Atlantic and Northern Avenues, and Commercial and Causeway Streets. Beginning in the 1920s, the motive power consisted of four 80-ton three-truck Climax geared steam locomotives that were fully enclosed. They were retired in 1946 and followed by GE 44 Ton and ALCO S-2 diesel locomotives until operations ended in March 1970. The UFRR was still running when I arrived in the area to attend college. I will not admit to what year that was, but suffice it to say that this was a remarkable railroad that I shall always remember.

MELGAR

briansilvermustang posted:

          like them switchers Mel !!!

Hey guys, let's keep our love for these NH switchers just between us; otherwise, the companies will jack up their prices. LOL

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

briansilvermustang posted:

          like them switchers Mel !!!

Hey guys, let's keep our love for these NH switchers just between us; otherwise, the companies will jack up their prices. LOL

They already have.

MELGAR

          oops....

Dan Padova posted:

I was never a fan of Lionel's 44 ton switcher.  But this one, in New haven livery is a beauty.  

That's because the Lionel postwar 44 ton switchers were cheaply made and not good pullers compared to the great Lionel switchers in the early 1950s. But the new 44 ton switchers by K Line and MTH with smoke, good pulling power, sounds and other nice features are awesome, according to our friends on this Forum who have the modern ones.

John Pryke's HO rendition of the Union Freight is now at the Nauset Model Railroad Club in Orleans, MA. It is truly a work of art and the club is very fortunate to have it.

The NMRC holds open houses in the summer.

John Pryke’s Union Freight

RSJB18 posted:

And the winner is....... ME

My first 44 ton switcher. Been looking for one for a while. My first New Haven too.

Now - to paint the hoods orange!

ctr posted:

John Pryke's HO rendition of the Union Freight is now at the Nauset Model Railroad Club in Orleans, MA. It is truly a work of art and the club is very fortunate to have it.

The NMRC holds open houses in the summer.

Beautiful. That is how the Boston waterfront area looked in the 1960s. The water, tracks in street and backdrops are outstanding. Do you know when John built this? He and I attended the same school in Cambridge. Size of layout?

MELGAR

Jim Waterman posted:

RSJB18 posted:

And the winner is....... ME

My first 44 ton switcher. Been looking for one for a while. My first New Haven too.

Now - to paint the hoods orange!

Personally, I would leave it as is.  I like the understated look.  

MELGAR posted:

The New Haven acquired 40 RDCs in 1952 and ‘53 and referred to them as “Shoreliners.” Twenty-nine were RDC-1s (passengers only), two were RDC-2s (baggage compartment at one end), six were RDC-3s (passenger, baggage and mail sections), and three were shorter RDC-4s (baggage and mail only). At the time, the New Haven was the country’s largest user of RDCs, running them mostly on branch lines and in commuter service. They were powered by two 275 HP General Motors diesel engines mounted below the floor, air-conditioned, and could accommodate 89 passengers. Many of these cars lasted until the New Haven was absorbed into the Penn Central in 1969. New Haven Railroad Budd RDC 47 was photographed at the Danbury (CT) Railway Museum – June 1, 2017.

MELGAR

Many of the New Haven's RDC fleet ran during the Penn Central years; at first in NH paint, then later on with Penn Central lettering on the sides and New York Central-style "fright stripes" on the end. The ex-New Haven RDCs often continued to sport the New Haven air whistles, though.

Copyright 2000.

John Pryke’s New Haven layout was also featured in several past issues of MODEL RAILROADER. John was a extremely skilled modeler and author.

Dan Padova posted:

Jim Waterman posted:

RSJB18 posted:

And the winner is....... ME

My first 44 ton switcher. Been looking for one for a while. My first New Haven too.

Now - to paint the hoods orange!

Personally, I would leave it as is.  I like the understated look.  

Maybe I'll paint one hood Orange and leave the other one black 😁

One orange hood on a 44 tonner, that would be different!

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

Hi Arnold:  Very cool layout.  What year did you start this layout and what is the overall size? Do you have a YT Channel for your trains?

Gary

Hi Train Room Gary:

I started around 1995 and completed most of my layout within 6 months, and had a great time building and decorating it with my young children.  I've tinkered with it ever since, and will probably continue to do so for the rest of my life.

I do not have a video of my layout on YouTube.  What I have on YouTube is something I shared on this Forum when I joined it in early to mid November, 2017.  It's a video of Phil Klopp's layout and a model train song I wrote entitled: Who Am I (Rollin' By).  Here's a link for the video and song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OdycErheA

There are a few scenes from my layout, but most of them are from Phil zklopp's magnificent layout in that YT link,

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

Hi Train Room Gary:

I started around 1995 and completed most of my layout within 6 months, and had a great time building and decorating it with my young children.  I've tinkered with it ever since, and will probably continue to do so for the rest of my life.

I do not have a video of my layout on YouTube.  What I have on YouTube is something I shared on this Forum when I joined it in early to mid November, 2017.  It's a video of Phil Klopp's layout and a model train song I wrote entitled: Who Am I (Rollin' By).  Here's a link for the video and song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OdycErheA

 

Cool Tune, No Very Cool Tune.

Wow - Thanks for sharing video and Model Train Tune.

Gary

trainroomgary posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

Hi Train Room Gary:

I started around 1995 and completed most of my layout within 6 months, and had a great time building and decorating it with my young children.  I've tinkered with it ever since, and will probably continue to do so for the rest of my life.

I do not have a video of my layout on YouTube.  What I have on YouTube is something I shared on this Forum when I joined it in early to mid November, 2017.  It's a video of Phil Klopp's layout and a model train song I wrote entitled: Who Am I (Rollin' By).  Here's a link for the video and song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OdycErheA

 

Cool Tune, No Very Cool Tune.

Wow - Thanks for sharing video and Model Train Tune.

Gary

To Gary and all our Forum friends: please feel free to share the above YouTube link for the video/song with anyone you think might enjoy it.

briansilvermustang posted:

July 30, 2019 MELGAR removed photo.

 

Brian's photo shows EP-5 "Jet" #379 and what appears to be EP-3 #356, both passenger electric "motors" at New Haven "motor storage." Two MTH model equivalents shown below.

MELGAR

 Again,  VERY  NICE Mel !!  like all your information and when you can model the photos

When I first saw this print, I thought "I want to be the guy who's pointing."

Then I added the comments and realized my destiny is to be one of the guys carrying.

Click on the image to get a better view.  It's actually a nice NYNHH print.

Steven J. Serenska

My new 44 ton switcher working the team tracks.

This is my very first 3rd Rail engine. I wish to make it perfectly clear that I hold this thread in general (and MELGAR in particular) responsible for this purchase... THANK YOU ALL    

          NICE !! 

Apples55 posted:

This is my very first 3rd Rail engine. I wish to make it perfectly clear that I hold this thread in general (and MELGAR in particular) responsible for this purchase... THANK YOU ALL    

In that case I REALLY hope you like it...

MELGAR

yes I am one.

I found some pictures that I took about three years ago that I would like to share. Sorry for the poor quality but I took these on 35mm film then used an iPad to retake them. If I go to the Big E I’ll stop along the way and take them on the iPad.

Pokey

POKEY493 posted pictures of New Haven ALCO RS-1 #0670. Could not import his pictures into this post, but here are some "equivalent" photos of my Atlas O New Haven ALCO RS-1 #0668.

MELGAR