New Haven ALCO DL-109 #0719 (MTH Premier model with PS-2) viewed from the south side of my 10’-by-5’ layout.
Photo and video by:
MELGAR
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New Haven ALCO DL-109 #0719 (MTH Premier model with PS-2) viewed from the south side of my 10’-by-5’ layout.
Photo and video by:
MELGAR
Some videos....
Enjoy, New Haven fans!
Peter
Putnam Division posted:MELGAR posted:New Haven ALCO DL-109 #0719 (MTH Premier model with PS-2) viewed from the south side of my 10’-by-5’ layout.
Photo and video by:
MELGAR
I sure hope someday MTH re-issues the DL-109 in Hunter Green, again....
Peter
Since I am strictly a Lionel/Legacy Command Control type, I wish Lionel would do a DL-109 in ANY paint scheme (NH of course)
Finished my Weaver RS-3 early this morning:
Handrails, grab irons, steam generator stack, wire grill on the hood top, and horns are P&D detail parts. The small steam generator cap (between the horn and the end of the short hood) is made out of bass wood. The cab signal box and generator above it (on the engineers side walkway next to the cab) I desgined and had 3-D printed.
Paint is Scalecoat II, Pullman Green and New Haven Orange. Decals were from an old Microscale sheet.
This is the paint scheme that the first batch of New Haven's RS-3s were delivered in - I choose number 531 as it wore its deliverly paint through its entire career on the New Haven and into Penn Central.
~C.Vigs
These are photos that took on a layout tour during the 2018 NMRA national convention in Kansas City. This is a HO layout.
I think that the layout builder caught the essence of the NH very well. NH Joe
This weekends project - making a New Haven 58000 series gondola out of an early AHM model.
The New Haven's 58000 series gondolas were 40' inside length gondolas, with 4 drop doors for ease of unloading. Built in 1929 by the roads own shops, several lasted well into the 1960s in both revenue and MOW service. What has frustrated me for years is that this gonodla series, as well as the nearly identical 42' inside length 60000 series gondolas, have 10 panel sides, which I have not seen in an O-scale model.
For those unaware, alphabetroute.com has excellent diagrams of most of the New Haven's freight and passenger equipment, and is an invaluable resource for modeling New Haven equipment: http://www.alphabetroute.com/nynhh/fd.php
Some prototype photos can be found in this thread, on the forum of the New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association: https://www.tapatalk.com/group...c.php?p=91195#p91195
I started with an old AHM model - not sure of the exact year, but cast into the bottom is "Made in West Germany". These are cheap and plentiful online - I purchased 2 for $20 shipped a few months ago.
The AHM model is an 8-panel gondola, but has the correct 40' inside length. I started by sanding the sides flat with a small belt sander, finishing with 220 and then 400 grit sandpaper. In the middle of the sanding process, I like to apply a thin primer coat - this helps highlight any imperfections and rough areas that need further sanding.
I measured our the locations of the new ribs - one at the centerline of the car, followed by 4 more on each side at 1" spacing (for a 9 rib, 10 panel side). New ribs were made in a two step process - first, a strip of 0.020" thick styrene was cut ~0.180" wide. This was glued onto the car side on the centerline of each rib location. Then, a section of 0.060" square styrene was cut to length, one end chamfered, and then glued on top of and centered on the flat styrene segments to create each rib. Each car end received a section of 0.020" thick styrene cut 0.090" wide.
These cars appear to have a wide brim around the top - much wider than the stock AHM model had. Once again, strips of 0.020" thick styrene were cut side wide enough to be flush with both the inside of the gondola wall, and outside of the ribs. Each was cut 1/8" longer than the length of the car side to overhand each end - I can't give a specific length here the two sides of the same car were slightly different lengths. I confirmed this on the second car I hadn't yet modified - there is about a 1/16" difference in length between the two sides. Weird. Additional strips filled in the brim over the car ends, and then each corner was sanded round.
Finally, holes for separate grab irons were drilled and the grab irons were glued in place.
More progress to follow, including possibly reperesenting the drop doors on the gondola floor.
~C.Vigs
MODELTRAINSPARTS. WHAT TRAIN MANUFACTURES CARS DID YOU USE TO MAKE PRE MCGINNIS PASSENGER CARS. THEY LOOK REALLY GREAT. LIONEL13
Thanks -- I used the KLine 13" passenger cars and very carefully cut out the window areas in strips using several fresh X-Acto blades guided by a steel straight edge. I took them out in one or two long pieces. Then scrounged train shows for junker early American Flyer passenger cars - I found them in the $4 - $6 range, often where someone had dropped a solder iron on the roofs which on those cars was molded with the sides. At one show I found a car for $6 that had the trucks included which i took off and found another A-F dealer at the other side of the hall who bought the trucks for $5 a pair! You will need 1 1/2 AF cars to do 1 KLine car. Cutting out the AF window strips was the toughest and most difficult part of the job. That old plastic is very hard to work with - scribbing with an X-Acto knife doesn't work - the plastic crumbles; a friend at GE tried a water cooled Laser cutter to no avail; a Zona saw didn't work either; nor did a table saw. Finally a friend with a band saw fitted with a very fine toothed blade, running extremely slow was able to cut them out. Then it was a matter of fitting, gluing, filling with Squadron (white) putty, and reinforcing from behind with strips of .040" x 1/4" Evergreen plastic glued between some of the windows. I figure i have no more than $25-$30 per car and a lot of labor in each car. I could not figure how to do the "turtle" curved ends to the KLine roofs within my limited skill set. The compound curves would have required a LOT of cutting, filling, and sanding. Good luck if you go ahead with this project. If i can be of any help please feel free to contact me - email is in my profile. Again thanks for the compliment.
jackson AKA modeltrainsparts.
P.S. My current project is building an EP3 "Flat Bottom" electric on a traditional sized KLine, WBB, MTH RK, or Lionel GG1 chassis. Sides will be plastic sheet laminated to brass (almost finished); ends fabricated from plastic unless i can find someone who has them drawn to then 3D print; the properly curved roof has me stumped at the moment. Pans, & other details will be easy. to model.
@New Haven Joe posted:
New Haven Joe...great pictures. The engine house, yard, and building to right of the engine house resemble the NH facility once called the "Charles Street Roundhouse" in Providence. My grandfather would take me there as a young kid from time to time after he retired from the NH after 40 years. I don't recall exactly when it was closed down...but today there's a road and intersection where it once stood. I'm wondering if the modeler who built the layout in your pictures had Providence in mind for his project??
@Capetrainman posted:New Haven Joe...great pictures. The engine house, yard, and building to right of the engine house resemble the NH facility once called the "Charles Street Roundhouse" in Providence. My grandfather would take me there as a young kid from time to time after he retired from the NH after 40 years. I don't recall exactly when it was closed down...but today there's a road and intersection where it once stood. I'm wondering if the modeler who built the layout in your pictures had Providence in mind for his project??
Capetrainman - I know that the builder was from the Northeast but I don't know if he had Providence in mind. It is unfortunate that there isn't much time to talk to the layout builder during a bus tour.
I really like the Howard Johnson's restaurant. My family used to stop at HJ's all time when we were traveling. NH Joe
I added corner reinforcement plates to the gondola, as well as representing the four trap doors on the gondola deck. Used .020" sheet and 0.040" square styrene. Also finished priming.
Next will be the black overcoat and decals. I'm going to apply the delivery paint scheme with "NYNH&H" on the sides, as opposed to the later "New Haven" spelled out or the McGinnis scheme.
~C.Vigs
Biscuit, the Providence & Worcetser SD70M-2 is great. These are the first photos I've seen of how Lionel did, and they might be pushing me over the edge into getting one...
I've painted and decaled my GA-2 gondola. Decals are from K4 Supply Company, the first time I've used this brand. Seeing they had decals available for these gondolas already designed and for sale is what pushed this project from my "that'd be a fun project" list to action. The graphics were crisp, and their decal film was by far the easiest I've used in terms of seperating the decal from the backing - I had them in water for less than 10 seconds. Unfortunately, they also had a tendancy to fold up on each other. I was able to unfold the two or three curled decals without damaging the lettering. These require a little more care and far less water/solvent than other brands I've used.
Don't get used to it looking clean and shiny - if there were any still roaming around in the late 50's - early 60's in their 1929 delivery paint they would be beaten up, rusted, and grungy, and that is how this one will look. I'll do a second in the latter paint with 'New Haven" spelled out that may remain clean.
~C.Vigs
New Haven Railroad FL9 #2043 (model by Sunset/3rd Rail) runs once again on my 10’-by-5’ layout.
MELGAR
And done. Weathered with several layers of chalks, and a little fine loose sand in the corners of the gondola floor.
I also began working on a second gondola. This one will also have the AHM trucks replaced with Weaver trucks, moved outwards a little bit to better replicate the prototype.
~C.Vigs
Done with gondola number 2. This one will remain fairly clean - I weathered the floor just a tad to highlight the edges/details, so it doesn't look like you're staring into a void.
On this one, I removed the original trucks and bolsters. I made a new bolster out of bass wood, and applied weaver trucks. The trucks were moved farther towards the ends, so the bolster centerline is under the first rib in from each end. The corner steps were also cut off and replaced with bronze wire.
~C.Vigs
Video of New Haven Railroad FL-9 #2043 (model by Sunset/3rd Rail) viewed looking north from the south end of my 10’-by-5’ layout.
MELGAR
MELGAR HOW LONG AGO DID SUNSET ISSUE THE NH FL9?
I placed my New Haven FL-9 reservation with Sunset/3rd Rail in August, 2010 and it looks like I received the models in January, 2013.
MELGAR
Those gondolas look great! Nice job.
Jeff C
@poniaj posted:With the Holidays here, trains are on the proverbial back burner. However, I was able to finish up all six cars' seats and am in the process of interior lighting. LED strips will be on the ceiling, but for now, I wanted to see what it would look like. So I put the LED strip on the side to light up the interior. I'm not sure if I'll apply the LED strip directly to the inside of the roof, or put a wooden strip up first and then affix the LED strip to the wooden one. Either way, there's not a lot of room for fancy electronics.
Way back in December, I posted this series of shots, and with all that's going on in the world, I FINALLY finished off one car. Each of the five other cars will require an hour to install the glazing and at least another hour for the construction of the circuitry and its installation. That's in addition to the estimated 12-15 hours in each one up to now. But the results are worth it. Here's the same car finished. The overhead lighting reminds me of a full length florescent panel, so IMO it looks OK. I simply used the self adhesive on the LED strip to adhere it to the inside of the roof and decided it wasn't worth worrying about any heat. I was able to find a very small buck converter to regulate the voltage and squeezed it, a full wave rectifier and capacitor in the restrooms to hide it all. If you didn't know, these cars were created by lengthening standard S gauge AC Gilbert cars that were foreshortened like many of the Lionel ones (only 7 windows).
Love this thread. I've never seen so much Vermillion in my life! LOL There's some great modeling going on here, no matter the scale.
Sunset did a great job with the FL9...except for 1 thing....THE HORN no Hancock 4700!
Beautiful job on the passenger car, Jerry. Your interior looks a lot like the interiors of the older cars that still run behind the diesels on Metro North’s Harlem and Hudson lines (except for the un-socially distant 3rd seat on one side )!!!
Forgive me if I've been posting a lot of photos of my NH American Flyer cars, but it's been a long drawn out project, especially with our potential moving once the Covid thing abates (if ever).
I ginned up 6 cars with one of them the "smoking car" that had a separate section for smokers and additional vents in the compartment. It was separated from the rest of the car by a plexiglass partition and featured leather seats in a different seating arrangement. At least that's what the diagrams I have from the NH Historic site. So here's the last ones I'll be posting since the other four cars are similar to the first one I posted which weren't "smoking cars". Only took three hours to make the circuit and install glazing at this point. Hey, what else do we have to do?
Even though I'm not a smoker, this car was part of the regular consist so I had to do it if only for the variety. If I had more time, I'd also do the café car, but I've run out of junk shells to butcher (and time). Now on to the other four cars, then the painting of the DL-109s in the "as delivered" scheme. Remember too that I model in 1:64, so although there's a lot our there, not much in this particular train.
Stay safe, guys!
Jerry, it looks great.
@DMASSO posted:
Don,
Have you been running your 4-6-6T? How do you like it? I bought the B&A version.
MELGAR
I had my shoulder replaced on September 10. I have not been in the basement so I have to wait. One of my club members wants to bring me up to the club and test it out.
How is your engine?
Mel;
I have the NYC version and I really like it. I think it’s a good runner, and has great sounds. I just posted a video in the passenger train thread where my 4-6-6T makes an appearance...
Mine arrived with broken steps that I had to fix. Runs OK in conventional but speed control not great.
MELGAR
@MELGAR posted:Mine arrived with broken steps that I had to fix. Runs OK in conventional but speed control not great.
MELGAR
Sorry to hear about your steps... glad you were able to fix them. In command mode, the engine is set to 200 speed steps, so you get pretty good speed control.
@MELGAR posted:Don,
Have you been running your 4-6-6T? How do you like it? I bought the B&A version.
MELGAR
Mel. One of my club members took the engine to his house. He said only the stack would smoke. Not the whistle.
Any trick to this? He is very good with Legacy.
New Haven Railroad Fairbanks-Morse CPA24-5 #793 (MTH with PS-3) on my 12'-by-8' layout. The New Haven had ten of these locomotives, just as they did with some types of electric motors.
MELGAR
@Apples55 posted:... Never knew the New Haven had a line up to Poughkeepsie in NY...
The New Haven Railroad's Maybrook Line was its primary route for shipment of freight into and out of New England. Trains departed westbound along the main line from New Haven and diverged to the north at Devon Junction, about 11 miles west of New Haven and 14 miles west of its large yard at Cedar Hill. The route ran through Derby, Newtown and Danbury, Connecticut and crossed 212 feet above the Hudson River on the Poughkeepsie Railroad Bridge at Poughkeepsie. It terminated at the Maybrook Yard near Campbell Hall, New York. There was no interchange with the New York Central Railroad at Poughkeepsie due to the elevation of the gauntlet track as it crossed the bridge, on which the speed limit was 12 miles per hour.
MELGAR
I'm not a big New Haven fan (don't shoot me!), but I did just rescue these (along with 14 other lanterns) from an estate. To think, I was told that if they weren't bought by Thursday, they were going in the dumpster!
@CarGuyZM10 posted:I'm not a big New Haven fan (don't shoot me!), but I did just rescue these (along with 14 other lanterns) from an estate. To think, I was told that if they weren't bought by Thursday, they were going in the dumpster!
Nice grab Mike!!!
@CarGuyZM10 posted:I'm not a big New Haven fan (don't shoot me!), but I did just rescue these (along with 14 other lanterns) from an estate. To think, I was told that if they weren't bought by Thursday, they were going in the dumpster!
Mike, you can relax. We don’t shoot heretics... we burn them at the stake
So glad you could save those pieces of history from the scrap heap. They look to be in excellent condition. I particularly love that the glass appears to be original with the embossed RR name. Enjoy your haul!!!
@MELGAR posted:The New Haven Railroad's Maybrook Line was its primary route for shipment of freight into and out of New England. Trains departed westbound along the main line from New Haven and diverged to the north at Devon Junction, about 11 miles west of New Haven and 14 miles west of its large yard at Cedar Hill. The route ran through Derby, Newtown and Danbury, Connecticut and crossed 212 feet above the Hudson River on the Poughkeepsie Railroad Bridge at Poughkeepsie. It terminated at the Maybrook Yard near Campbell Hall, New York. There was no interchange with the New York Central Railroad at Poughkeepsie due to the elevation of the gauntlet track as it crossed the bridge, on which the speed limit was 12 miles per hour.
MELGAR
Thanks for the history, Mel. I have heard of the Maybrook Line, just never associated it with Poughkeepsie. A couple of years ago, I went with a group of friends to the Culinary Institute in Hyde Park for lunch - we had to drive through Poughkeepsie, and we drove right under that bridge - it is quite high (I believe you can now walk over it)!!!
@Apples55 posted:Thanks for the history, Mel. I have heard of the Maybrook Line, just never associated it with Poughkeepsie. A couple of years ago, I went with a group of friends to the Culinary Institute in Hyde Park for lunch - we had to drive through Poughkeepsie, and we drove right under that bridge - it is quite high (I believe you can now walk over it)!!!
You are correct Paul. It's a river walk now. And yes, it is VERY high. I'm sure there were a few white knuckles on the engineer's as they went over.
And some Black and Orange for a gloomy Wednesday
Glad this thread made an appearance again - nice save Michael, and nice models everyone. I just finished adding ERR command control and painting this Williams 44 Tonner.
Also weathered this Lionel boxcar to reperesent how it would have appeared in the late 60's early 70s - rust streaks, grunge, scratch marks from the doors, ACI tag, and (my favorite) the roof sections where the paint has peeled off exposing the underlying metal.
~C. Vigs
Before the pandemic I used to ride throughout Connecticut on the former New Haven Railroad (Metro-North) almost every day. Now it’s been eight months since I’ve been able to do that. I’ve posted images of this train and its EP-5 electric motor #371 before. It’s an MTH Premier model with PS1 and a BCR that I’ve been running for twenty years. My PS1 engines have given outstanding service. This engine doesn’t have speed control but runs at steadier speed than one of my recent brand-new acquisitions from another manufacturer. The first video shows it at 35 miles-per-hour on my 12’-by-8’ layout. The second video is at 50 miles-per-hour.
MELGAR
Finished GA-2 gondola number three, in the script herald scheme. This scheme was applied to gondolas and hoppers in the early 50s, just prior to the takeouver by the McGinnis administation and their flashy paint schemes. The script herald is a little small, but I have too many of them from in white from Microcale decal sets to not use them. I've also lightly weathered this one - heavier weathering will be added if I can find an appropraite prototype photo to work from. I decided that I am going to make at least two more, both in the McGinnis scheme. This one and a McGinnis scheme one will be semi-permanetly assigned to a work train.
I also needed a solution to Lionel's semi-fragile switch stands - I designed and had these New Haven style switch stands 3D printed. It is a two piece assembly - a gear and shaft as a single piece extends above the top of the black stand support, and the upper shaft and indicatiors are a single seperate piece. As per New Haven prototype, the through route is indicated by a green disc with white trim, while the diverging route is a red arrow pointing at the divergence.
~C.Vigs
New Haven #793 (McGinnis paint scheme) is an MTH Premier PS-3 model of a Fairbanks-Morse CPA-24-5 C-Liner of which the railroad bought ten between 1950 and 1952. New Haven #0771 is a Sunset/3rd Rail model of an ALCo PA, one of seventeen delivered to the railroad in 1949.
MELGAR
New Haven ALCo PA #0771 is a model by Sunset/3rd Rail shown on my 12’-by-8’ layout. The locomotive had a 2000 horsepower ALCo 244 engine and was delivered in 1949, initially geared for 80 miles-per-hour – later increased to 90.
MELGAR
Just added this Lionel RS-11 # 1406 to the roster.
NH bought 14 RS-11's from ALCO in May- June 1956. All transferred to Conrail except one that went to Martin Marietta.
New Haven Alco RS-3 #531 (model by Atlas O) is running on the O-36 inner loop of my 12'-by-8' layout. The video is taken from the rear of layout and gives a good view of the train as it crosses the bridge.
MELGAR
I just finished this model of one of the New Haven's 40600 series boxcars. This was a series of 6 50' PS-1 Hydroframe boxcars purchased to capture traffic from the Continental Can Company, between Long Island and Malden, Massachusetts. The New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association has a short article in their publication The Shoreliner, Volume 32 Issue 2, that details correspondence among management and the railroad's bankruptcy trustees regarding the purchase of these cars. As the railroad was in bankruptcy, these ended up being the last boxcars purchased, arriving in January 1965.
I started with an Atlas 50' plug door PS-1 boxcar, and after stripping removed all the door detail except for the doors rollers and vertical posts. I rebuilt all the door detail with styrene strips. The orange body color is Scalecoat CN Orange-Red, which I found decently close to the New Haven's #409 Red-Orange. It was a little too bright, but that was toned down significantly with the weathering. As these cars were only with the New Haven for four years, weathering was light. I used chalks - some black on the roof, and the sides toned down with a dirty brown. Decals are from Highball Graphics.
Other side from the above photos:
~C.Vigs
@biscuitag97 posted:
The New Haven R-2as are almost identical to the Central's L-2a mohawks. Here are two photos and compare them side by side these two locomotives are almost copies of one another (with the acception of a few road name specific modifications). I give props to Lionel for doing this, very excited about the new R-2a. Its never been made in any scale not even in brass so this is a first for the model train world. I'll be ordering it for sure!
@Peter B posted:The New Haven R-2as are almost identical to the Central's L-2a mohawks. Here are two photos and compare them side by side these two locomotives are almost copies of one another (with the acception of a few road name specific modifications). I give props to Lionel for doing this, very excited about the new R-2a. Its never been made in any scale not even in brass so this is a first for the model train world. I'll be ordering it for sure!
Do you think the New Haven would be nice with a Vanderbilt tender?
@DMASSO posted:Do you think the New Haven would be nice with a Vanderbilt tender?
Absolutely,
The New Haven did pair a couple mountains with the vanderbilt tender. The R-1 and R-2 class to be specific, never seen an R-3 with a vanderbilt tender. I'd be very interested in ordering one, or two!
How do we get Lionel to do a Vanderbilt tender. Do we need to post on the Lionel section?
Yes, count me in as a New Haven fan big time. The McGuiness livery is perhaps the most attractive livery of all IMO.
Below see LC+ New Haven FA units pulling boxcars:
Arnold
@DMASSO posted:How do we get Lionel to do a Vanderbilt tender. Do we need to post on the Lionel section?
I'm not sure, hopefully someone from Lionel will read this. If they paired the USRA Mountain with a scale vanderbilt tender, specifically the one they've done with the H7, they would have it.
Video shows New Haven Alco RS-3 #531 (model by Atlas O) running through the north curve of the O-36 inner loop of my 12'-by-8' layout.
MELGAR
I discussed a Vandy tender with Steve at McMuffins. He said, if he can get a special order AFTER, the current production, it may be possible. I believe he would need 25 orders. This would be a long way off so we will see.
@DMASSO posted:I discussed a Vandy tender with Steve at McMuffins. He said, if he can get a special order AFTER, the current production, it may be possible. I believe he would need 25 orders. This would be a long way off so we will see.
Don;
Are you talking a whole new engine/tender combination or just an add-on Vandy tender??? I like the look of the Vandy tenders, but I don’t think I’d want to take the chance of waiting till after the current offering is done (and bought up) and then hope for putting together 25 folks who would like the variation. Now an add-on Vandy tender - that might garner enough interest to be viable (I’d be definitely in for one!!!).
Paul. I believe it would be the tender and engine. I feel the same way as you but all we can do is see what transpires. I would have hoped for an either/or choice but again, it is out of my control. It could be a long wait.
@Apples55 posted:Don;
Are you talking a whole new engine/tender combination or just an add-on Vandy tender??? I like the look of the Vandy tenders, but I don’t think I’d want to take the chance of waiting till after the current offering is done (and bought up) and then hope for putting together 25 folks who would like the variation. Now an add-on Vandy tender - that might garner enough interest to be viable (I’d be definitely in for one!!!).
@DMASSO posted:I discussed a Vandy tender with Steve at McMuffins. He said, if he can get a special order AFTER, the current production, it may be possible. I believe he would need 25 orders. This would be a long way off so we will see.
I doubt Lionel will offer a separate sale Vanderbilt tender so it would be a new engine/tender combination should the idea turn into reality whether someone dose a special run or Lionel offers it down the road. We shall see what the future holds and I would definetley be in for one.
@Peter B posted:I doubt Lionel will offer a separate sale Vanderbilt tender so it would be a new engine/tender combination should the idea turn into reality whether someone dose a special run or Lionel offers it down the road. We shall see what the future holds and I would definetley be in for one.
I’m afraid you’re right, Peter. I’m thinking back to the Century Club II where they offered a separate sale PT tender for (if I remember correctly) the NYC 20th Century Limited engine. I’m sure Lionel has tooling for a Vandy tender, and the board should be basically the same as for the tender in the current offering (excluding and coal loading sequence if it has one). One can hope!!!
@Peter B posted:Absolutely,
The New Haven did pair a couple mountains with the vanderbilt tender. The R-1 and R-2 class to be specific, never seen an R-3 with a vanderbilt tender. I'd be very interested in ordering one, or two!
Wow, Those were "Iron CLYDESDALES" Muscle for sure, thanks for posting
Running NEW HAVEN Express. Our First Diesel and dummy pair. (We all know there will be more, I know.. RIGHT) "Oh Look, a Package with New Haven Locomotives for the GrandKids arrived..."
( I know EWE are thinking, 'Nice Mountain Miggy, They will get better."
I just finished two more models - have to keep sane somehow.
First is New Haven company service tank car K-7. Acquired secondhand with 9 others to be used as water tenders to cut down on stops between New Haven and Boston, they were never used for this purpose and were instead pressed into oil service during WW2. After the war, they were repurposed to move company diesel fuel from tidewater in New Haven to outlying terminals, and renumbered in the "K" series. This information comes from a great Shoreliner article (the quarterly publication of the New Haven Railroad Technical and Historical Association). I didn't have a photo of K-7, so I based it off of a composite of photos of K-3 and K-6 that appeared in the article. I started with an Atlas O 8000 gallon tank car, sanded off the top row of rivets, and added 4 columns of Archer rivet decals to back date the tank to a 1916 design appearance. I also removed the corner steps and added ladders just off center from the truck bolsters, again to backdate the design. Decals are a combination of NH gondola decals, generic roman letters, and generic boxcar data sheets from K4 Decals.
Close up of some of the lettering, rivet strips, and car number on the underframe.
Second model is Pere Marquette auto box car 90826. What does this have to do with the New Haven? I have a piece of paperwork showing this boxcar being interchanged from the Erie to the New Haven at Maybrook, NY, on August 30th 1948. It was destined for the Southeast Motor Company at Brewster, NY, with a load of new Buicks. Decals are again from K4 decals.
~C. Vigs
@biscuitag97 posted:
This thing should be repainted into NH McGinnis colors. In my opinion, it would look a lot better.
I know that CT dropped the NH livery a couple of years ago in favor of a new look but this just doesn't appeal to me. NH Joe
New Haven Joe...I haven't heard the name McGinnis associated with the NH in decades...I have a picture somewhere in the archives of my grandfather being handed his "40" year service pin with the NYNH&H by McGinnis at grand dads retirement gathering in 1954. He was 65 years of age at retirement with 40 years at NH and 10 prior years with either the C & O or B & O...I can't recall.
Joe, I really like your NH diesel shovel. Is that a Bucyrus? Did you paint it yourself? Most excellent.
David98
Club video taken by member Riley Webb.
@DMASSO posted:Club video taken by member Riley Webb.
Beautiful layout, Don, and a wonderful collection of New Haven equipment. The curved trestle bridge is absolutely amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Apple55.
@DMASSO posted:Club video taken by member Riley Webb.
Hi Don looks good , can't wait for an in-person visit!
I like all New England road names. Thank you for posting!
These photos show the Stepney Depot in Monroe, Connecticut, about ten miles north of Bridgeport and built in 1850 according to the sign. The Housatonic Railroad was chartered in 1836, connected Bridgeport and Pittsfield, Massachusetts in 1850, and was leased by the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad in 1892. Most of the Housatonic trackage became the New Haven Railroad’s Berkshire Division. Looking at the terrain near the station, I cannot tell where the track approached and departed the station. Driving through the area near the station, it still looks like it’s 1850. Photos by MELGAR.
MELGAR
@MELGAR posted:These photos show the Stepney Depot in Monroe, Connecticut, about ten miles north of Bridgeport and built in 1850 according to the sign. The Housatonic Railroad was chartered in 1836, connected Bridgeport and Pittsfield, Massachusetts in 1850, and was leased by the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad in 1892. Most of the Housatonic trackage became the New Haven Railroad’s Berkshire Division. Looking at the terrain near the station, I cannot tell where the track approached and departed the station. Driving through the area near the station, it still looks like it’s 1850. Photos by MELGAR.
MELGAR
Driving to work in Monroe, for 23 years, I would pass this when RTE. 25 was backed up, about 2 or 3 days a week!
If you google Stepney Depot there is a nice historical piece about it.
Very interesting, Mel. I know you have a keen interest in everything New Haven, and what you share about its history enriches whatever models, layouts, structures and scenery we may have relating to that marvelous fallen flag. Arnold
Weaver NEW HAVEN I-5 just sold for $1550.
WOW!
I just count that as proof that there is a market for 3rd Rail to make some accurate New Haven steam.
Who wouldn't want an accurate K-1-d Mogul, J-1 Mikado, or I-1/I-2 Pacific?
CLASS K-1-c and K-1-d 2-6-0 - NYNH&H STEAM (google.com)
~C. Vigs
I had to cancel 2 preorders to get it… but if you ask me its the prettiest thing on 3 rails runs a little rough with tmcc (starts at speed step 4 and sounds not consistently responsive). I have a few other tmcc engines and know how to program. ** edit I reset it with aux-1 43 runs like a top. It is mint!
New Haven Railroad Alco RS-3 #531 is an Atlas O Trainman model. The video shows it passing through the narrow rock-cut on the O-36 loop of my 12’-by-8’ layout.
Note that, despite the bright orange color, the paint scheme on this model is not “McGinnis.” Delivery of New Haven Alco RS-3s in this orange-green color scheme began in 1950 – four years before Patrick McGinnis became president of the railroad. New Haven painted some of its Alco DL-109 diesel locomotives in this livery as early as 1947, followed in 1948 and ’49 by Alco FAs and PAs.
MELGAR
I like the engine and the scenery. I'm just beginning to build a layout and am concentrating on the New Haven railroad seeing how I grew up on their tracks here in the south end of New Britain and am now living back in the same house. I'm currently watching PanAm/Guilford engines pulling a variety of freight cars a few times a week. I would like to know the make and model of the brown NH boxcars because those are the ones I remember growing up with. Thanks for posting.
All the major O gauge manufacturers make, or have made, numerous models of New Haven Railroad locomotives and rolling stock - including Mike's Train House (MTH), Lionel, Atlas O, Weaver and K-Line - which is what the ones in the video are. You can find these online or at local train shows and local hobby shops (there is one in downtown New Britain). In Connecticut, you can attend the twice-yearly show at Cheshire High School on November 21, 2021 or the huge Amherst Railway Society Show next scheduled for January 29th and 30th, 2022 in West Springfield, Massachusetts.
MELGAR
Around Halloween, I like to run my K-Line EP5 with a compliment of alternating black/orange cars, such as New Haven boxcars.
Are there any New Haven fans out there?
New Haven Railroad FL9 #2043 is a Sunset/3rd Rail model. EP5 #371 is an MTH Premier model with PS1. The 60-foot passenger cars are by Atlas O.
The FL9s ran throughout the New Haven's service area, from Grand Central Terminal to Boston via New Haven, New London and Providence. The EP5 motors ran in the 72-mile "West End" electrified zone between GCT and New Haven. The locomotive change from steam or diesel to electric at New Haven was a part of the railroad's operation until it was merged into the Penn Central in 1969 - and remained so until about 2000 under Amtrak.
MELGAR
Picked this up from Grzyboski’s the other day...
It’s kind of the inverse of one I picked up from Grzyboski’s at my first (and so far, only) visit to the Big E!!!
I have pre ordered a Lionel pacific custom numbered for NH by Mr Muffins and a Lionel Mohawk that is supposedly pretty much identical to NH Mountain also being weatherd for slightly more. Just a heads up for anyone looking. I’ll post pictures when I get
Hi WVM, I would be very interested in seeing what those two engines look like, especially weathered. I grew up on the New Haven to Hartford main line through Meriden, Connecticut. I don't recall ever seeing any NH steam as a boy, but I have a layout with mostly New Haven equipment and most everything is 50-55 vintage including steam. I own 3 Weaver I-5s and I am considering having one weathered. I have been pursuing a I-4 Pacific type Weaver built back about 2012 but to no avail. For the last 40 years I have lived south west of Albany, New York and very close to the D&H main from Schenectady to Binghamton. My front yard is the resting place for a New Haven Maybrook line whistle marker. I was in the area when they tore that line out and the marker was left laying alongside the old right away. It took two of us to load it in my car. I look forward to your posts on your new engines. Bill
Hi Bill Park. Wow you are pretty lucky to own three Weaver I-5 !!
Well, it was sort of happenstance that I have that many. I recently sold my business of selling and servicing Industrial Boilers. As of 3-31-21, I have a lot more time on my hands now. As a NH fan, I fell in love with the Weaver I-5 Steam Locomotive but didn't have time back when Weaver released it to purchase one. I had participated in an E-Bay bid for one in June which I was unsuccessful at. The final price was $1550. Somewhere around July or August one showed up on E-Bay marked "not running". I was very interested in getting something so I made sure I got that one. It was immediately sent out to Roy'z trains in Michigan to get it running and upgrade if need be to Lionel Legacy......I posted a "wanted to buy " on here for a NH I-4 Pacific. I then received a call from a member here that he had seen a NH steamer in a shop in Pa. I called and immediately identified it as another I-5. I called and said I would take it but the owner didn't call me back right away. While waiting for his call, I saw another I-5 on E-Bay and thinking it may be the one that was in the PA shop, I bid on it and got it. After purchasing it, The PA guy finally called me. Since I had agreed to take that one, I decided to do what I said I was going to do and bought that one. My thought is at some point someone might be in a position to trade something I am looking for (ideally a Weaver I-4) or something and I can use it for that. I know they are a hard piece to come by and I would seel one if the person is enthusiastically looking for one. Bill Park
Anyone know what happened to briansilvermustang, who started this thread more than four years ago and was very active on the forum? According to his profile, he hasn’t visited the forum for nearly a year.
@Jim R. posted:Anyone know what happened to briansilvermustang, who started this thread more than four years ago and was very active on the forum? According to his profile, he hasn’t visited the forum for nearly a year.
IIRC- he had a falling out with the mods.
New Haven pulling a string of Menards boxcars
@Bill Park posted:Hi WVM, I would be very interested in seeing what those two engines look like, especially weathered. I grew up on the New Haven to Hartford main line through Meriden, Connecticut. I don't recall ever seeing any NH steam as a boy, but I have a layout with mostly New Haven equipment and most everything is 50-55 vintage including steam. I own 3 Weaver I-5s and I am considering having one weathered. I have been pursuing a I-4 Pacific type Weaver built back about 2012 but to no avail. For the last 40 years I have lived south west of Albany, New York and very close to the D&H main from Schenectady to Binghamton. My front yard is the resting place for a New Haven Maybrook line whistle marker. I was in the area when they tore that line out and the marker was left laying alongside the old right away. It took two of us to load it in my car. I look forward to your posts on your new engines. Bill
Could you pls. post a pic of the whistle marker? Thanks.
Williams New Haven pulling some box cars.
Hi Mark, I will try and post a picture of the New Haven ( Maybrook Line) whistle marker. I am very poor with all this electronic stuff. Will do my best. Bill
@ctr posted:
I love those New Haven passenger cars. I think I have a magazine with some scale drawings of those, I'll have to try and dig it out. Looks like a good 3D printing project for this winter!
Inspired by the recent postings on this excellent topic, I decided to put some of my own NH stock out on the track. I started with this neat MTH extended vision cupola caboose that I bought at the Wilmington Greenberg show two months ago.
I started putting out freight cars and pretty soon had an impressive 11 cars plus a caboose. It's a mixed consist with gondolas, tankers, boxcars and hoppers. I call this "The Long Train" because I have to run it by itself!
For motive power I pulled out my set of MTH Alco PAs. These are powerful enough to pull the long train around all of my layout's sweeping curves.
Here's the New Haven "Long Train" in action on my layout:
K-Line EP-5 Pulling a load of New Haven Boxcars,
In the hopes that 22 is a little different than 21, I am looking to "unbox" my NH inventory. I made a decision a few years back to only collect(buy) NH(except for 1 Amtrak consist) .
As a kid I went to softball games with my dad and counted NH freight cars as they slowly went by "Went" field in Bridgeport.
Pictures to follow
I’m thrilled to have found a Sunset FL9 at Public Delivery Track even though it is non powered. Shown here in a push/pull with an MTH F3 at rear (not shown) It also looks pretty nice MUd with an RS3. I have pics of them with GP9s and RS11s and saw references to being MUd with RS3 so I think I’m pretty proto typical! Maybe some day I’ll be lucky enough to find a powered unit
The FL9 in prior post came out of the box with rear electro coupler open and I am unable to keep it closed. I would be happy to have it permanently closed. Any suggestions on how I might solve problem?
Congratulations to Melvin for his layout in OGR Run322 February/March 2022.
Haven’t seen Melgar on the forum for a while.
I miss him and his posts.
I sent Mel an email as soon as I opened the magazine but I have not heard from him.
I hope that Melgar has just been too busy to view forum. His collection and informative posts have been an inspiration to me in my enjoyment of the hobby
Since becoming a new member after just retiring, I am pleased to see so many interested in the hobby and being a New Haven fan, there is so much on here about the New Haven to further boost interest. I am trying my hand at posting a picture from my layout. At my age, the electronics is mind boggling. I hope to be able to post more as I get more done.
In the recently posted picture, a pair of weaver I-5's meet on the bridge over the entrance to cedar Hill Yard. the 1400 has old heavyweights while the 1408 has a new string of stream lined passenger cars. The RS-3 is a local coming out of Cedar Hill.
@Bill Park posted:Since becoming a new member after just retiring, I am pleased to see so many interested in the hobby and being a New Haven fan, there is so much on here about the New Haven to further boost interest. I am trying my hand at posting a picture from my layout. At my age, the electronics is mind boggling. I hope to be able to post more as I get more done.
Bill you are doing great. Keep the pictures coming. Love those I5s
@Bill Park posted:Since becoming a new member after just retiring, I am pleased to see so many interested in the hobby and being a New Haven fan, there is so much on here about the New Haven to further boost interest. I am trying my hand at posting a picture from my layout. At my age, the electronics is mind boggling. I hope to be able to post more as I get more done.d3
Love those I-5s!
Peter
Gentlemen, Thanks for sharing and for your comments. The New Haven Mikado is a very handsome model. Since I have recently retired, I now have some time to investigate what is a available out there in NH livery. I had no idea Lionel made such a piece. I will be on the lookout for any New Haven stuff at Eastern states this weekend........As for the I-5's, I was just a little to young to see them. My grand father used to take me down to the center of Meriden on Connecticut company buses and we were always able to catch a train or two. I remember DL109's, PA's, FA's and RS's. I was just a little too young to see any steam..... As I get better with the camera, I would like to post a video with the I-5's in it. Bill
@DMASSO posted:I sent Mel an email as soon as I opened the magazine but I have not heard from him.
@Wvm posted:I hope that Melgar has just been too busy to view forum. His collection and informative posts have been an inspiration to me in my enjoyment of the hobby
I've also tried several avenues to reach him. His absence is concerning. Hope he's OK.
@RSJB18 posted:I've also tried several avenues to reach him. His absence is concerning. Hope he's OK.
Agree.....hope he is just taking a break.....
Peter
I called him last night but got his voice mail.
Any body heard from Melgar yet??
Nope
I'm not in the greatest shape right now but hope to be back eventually. Your concern is appreciated.
MELGAR
Great to hear from you Mel. Take it slow.
If nobody noticed, there is a nice article in the New York Times today (Sunday), in the Real Estate section, about a few former New Haven stations that may be rehabilitated in the Bronx, on the former Harlem River Branch. Some nice vintage photos and what they look like nowadays.
Looks like these stations targeted for rehabbing, Westchester Ave. and Hunts Point Ave., were designed by Cass Gilbert and closed down in 1937.
Tom
Yes, take it slow Mel. Hope you are back to normal soon.
Tom
Here's the article from the NYT -
@MELGAR posted:I'm not in the greatest shape right now but hope to be back eventually. Your concern is appreciated.
MELGAR
Great to hear from you Mel. Take it easy. The trains aren't going anywhere.
Check your email when you are up to it.
Bob
@RSJB18 posted:
Love those engines - actually bought an MTH version a bunch of years ago as a shelf queen. MN has been running those units (I believe there are 4 of them) for over 15 years - I rode behind them on a number of occasions back in my commuter days. I know they run on the Hudson and Harlem divisions, but I’m not sure they actually run on the New Haven Line since most of that line is under catenary.
@Apples55 posted:Love those engines - actually bought an MTH version a bunch of years ago as a shelf queen. MN has been running those units (I believe there are 4 of them) for over 15 years - I rode behind them on a number of occasions back in my commuter days. I know they run on the Hudson and Harlem divisions, but I’m not sure they actually run on the New Haven Line since most of that line is under catenary.
I don't check that camera too often so this was the first time I saw one of them. This train proceeded off of the NE corridor mains onto northbound track along the river.
Such a relief to hear from you Mel. Can’t wait for your wonderful posts to stay again but take it easy
I have an NH green clerestory roof B60 in a PRR mail train. I recently posted a photo on the “passenger trains, let’s see them” thread. The diesel and electric loco colors stand out.
Bicuitag97. Did this just arrive? I have one on order but have to wait for it to be weathered by MrMuffins. Can’t wait!
Beautiful locomotive. Do I understand this right, this was released as a NYC model, but it was close enough to have it lettered in NH? Is this an old offering or something just released now?
@Wvm posted:Bicuitag97. Did this just arrive? I have one on order but have to wait for it to be weathered by MrMuffins. Can’t wait!
Yes just came in from lionel!
@Bill Park posted:Beautiful locomotive. Do I understand this right, this was released as a NYC model, but it was close enough to have it lettered in NH? Is this an old offering or something just released now?
It is the lionel tooling for the NYC mohawk. Just released by lionel painted in new haven.
Lionel also just released what I believe looks just like a Pacific I2. They did not do a New Haven lettering but Mr Muffins is doing a custom lettering for New Haven They are doing one for me with weathering. They may still have some
Thanks for the update. I will check it out. Bill
@Bill Park posted:Beautiful locomotive. Do I understand this right, this was released as a NYC model, but it was close enough to have it lettered in NH? Is this an old offering or something just released now?
This locomotive was offered in the 2021 volume 1 catalog alongside the other L-2a mohawks. The New Haven didn't have mohawks but a mohawk is technically a mountain type steam engine and the New Haven's R-2a class mountains were practically identical to the L-2a mohawks.
Thanks for the information. Your model looks awesome and would fit fine on my layout. For big power, I'm using a 2-10-4 MTH Santa Fe. Really out of place. I appreciate your information. Bill
It would be unholy to have an I-5 pulling freight!!!!
Bill parks. I jus went on Mr Muffins site and they are still showing the Mohawk and the Pacific. Fyi
Thanks a lot. I will take a look tonight and speak with them on Monday about ordering on. Again many thanks. Bill
Good Morning Sir, I wanted to let you know I appreciated the heads up on that New Haven 4-8-2 Mountain Type. I purchased it this morning. When I have it pulling cars, I will take some pics for you. Many Thanks, Bill
I posted some pics of my new Lionel New Haven “Mohawk” over on the Buy Anything Cool thread… it is definitely cool!!!
Looks Beautiful Paul. Can t wait to get mine. It Is currently being weathered. I will post pics when I get
Thanks for posting a critique about it. After Wvm told me to look into it at Mr. Muffins trains, I went on and purchased it. Many thanks for the tip. I had mine weatherd and enhanced coal and some curtains I presume in the back across the cab. I should be getting mine sometime soon.
Is everyone aware that Sunset 3rail is doing another run of rdc1 and rdc2. I put in a reservation for an Rdc2
Good news. Melgar is back. He started a new thread. “New Haven, Boston & Maine, and Boston & Albany Railroads - Your Model Trains
@MELGAR posted:
MELGAR, your EP-5 has reached its prototypical service life! Love these electrics!
This video is from the most recent run of New Haven #371 on my 12'-by-8' layout.
MELGAR
Nice Peter.
Mel, Your consist of mixed passenger cars is very prototypical of what the New Haven ran through Meriden Connecticut where I was born and raised.
Bill,
Please post some pictures of your 45'x24' under construction model railroad. Doesn't matter whether it's finished or not.
Before the pandemic, I used to ride CT Rail frequently - on the former New Haven Railroad Hartford Line. The area by the new station in downtown Meriden has been modernized but some of the old buildings are still there.
MELGAR
Hi Mel, I will get to work tomorrow taking some pics of my layout. The area around the new Meriden Station used to be full of factories back in the 50-60s. International Silver Company had several large plants just northeast of the station which were torn down in the mid 60's. That whole area changed so much since I was growing up there. I have pleasant memories of both passenger and fright traffic going through the area. The railroad kept an RS-3 in the Colony Street yard to handle local switching. As a railroad fan, there was much to look at. Bill
Hi Mel, Per your request for some layout photos, here is a bit of a trip in pictures starting with the New Haven area of the layout. I basically constructed a point to point, free lance design with 3 levels and reverse loops on each end. My intention was to take advantage of the length of the basement and make long runs for the trains. Because of the distances, I was able to rise up 7 inches to the second level and 14 inches (above table at 0") to the third level while maintaining less than 1% grades everywhere. The opposite end of the layout has a reverse loop and yard and we have that as Scranton Pennsylvania, so we can haul coal out of a mine there. A trip starting at New Haven and running to Scranton and return takes about 10 minutes at a scale speed of 40 MPH. I have been using conventional block control but I have just implemented a Legacy System and I like very much how that operates the engines. Several towns along the way need to be arranged and landscaped as does a lot of the mountain areas. Your layout and its landscaping and buildings are a motivation for a lot of us on the Forum including me. Best Regards, Bill Park
@Bill Park posted:Hi Mel, Per your request for some layout photos, here is a bit of a trip in pictures starting with the New Haven area of the layout. I basically constructed a point to point, free lance design with 3 levels and reverse loops on each end. My intention was to take advantage of the length of the basement and make long runs for the trains. Because of the distances, I was able to rise up 7 inches to the second level and 14 inches (above table at 0") to the third level while maintaining less than 1% grades everywhere. The opposite end of the layout has a reverse loop and yard and we have that as Scranton Pennsylvania, so we can haul coal out of a mine there. A trip starting at New Haven and running to Scranton and return takes about 10 minutes at a scale speed of 40 MPH. I have been using conventional block control but I have just implemented a Legacy System and I like very much how that operates the engines. Several towns along the way need to be arranged and landscaped as does a lot of the mountain areas. Your layout and its landscaping and buildings are a motivation for a lot of us on the Forum including me. Best Regards, Bill Park
Really fantastic, Bill..............so, on your pike do you interchange O&W coal trains with the New Haven at Maybrook? Or, do your New Haven trains have trackage rights on the O&W through Campbell Hall and get the coal in Scranton on their own? Either way , it's your railroad; you can do it any way you want........and, it is magnificent!!!!!
Peter
Wow Bill. This is really impressive. Glad you figured out how to get pics loaded. Can’t wait to see see videos of your I5s running through long distances of track!!
Bill,
A very impressive layout and a lot of great work.
MELGAR
Mel, Thanks for your compliment. Sitka, where you live in Remsen is not that far from me, maybe an hour. If either of you ever come into this area, please allow me to show you the layout and I will also make sure you have a good lunch. Regards, Bill
@Bill Park posted:Mel, Thanks for your compliment. Sitka, where you live in Remsen is not that far from me, maybe an hour. If either of you ever come into this area, please allow me to show you the layout and I will also make sure you have a good lunch. Regards, Bill
Thanks for the invite will keep that in mind, that is a great looking layout! God Speed!
Mark
Yesterday my wife and I traveled from the Albany New York area to Meriden, Connecticut to watch our granddaughter in a play. This gave us a chance to stop at the Thomaston Railroad Station in Thomaston, Connecticut. The New Haven Naugatuck line ran right through that town. We toured the station and the grounds and took a ride on the train which was pulled by a Naugatuck Railroad GP-9. No one new who the original owner was and we were disappointed that the engine wasn't in New Haven livery.The actual name of the place now is the New England Rail Museum. For this post, I am including what New Haven equipment was on display. The station attendant said they also have a U-25B, an FA-1 and an RS-3. None were on display. Here is the New Haven equipment on display plus a look at the station. Melgar, if you read this, they had some really nice New Haven Tee Shirts for sale and I bought one for you. I had heard you were under the weather, but are feeling better now. I think everyone who reads your posts loves to hear the in depth knowledge you provide on most of these posts. To that end, I would hope you can send me your address so I can send it out to you For all you provide here. I tried to send a private message but I cannot understand its private when you have to add someone else. Bill
Wow. That is really nice of you Bill. Mel really does deserve it
Bill Park and Wvm,
That is very kind of both of you, I appreciate it. Bill - check your email...
MELGAR
Whenever I see this thread come up, my answer is ALWAYS!
.....the floor of my bedroom, probably winter 72-73.....
Have a great 4th!
Peter
Some action on my New Haven section today.
The 1400 with some old varnish running on time.
@Putnam Division posted:
Tell the truth Peter....you showed Spinal Tap what 11 was all about......😂😂😂😂😂
This is the 1400 with old varnish. I never thought I would figure out how to post videos.
@RSJB18 posted:Tell the truth Peter....you showed Spinal Tap what 11 was all about......😂😂😂😂😂
Ah yes, the joys of amp distortion! My favorite was using the Fender "Leslie" cabinet. However, those days are over, 50 years ago. Now the music to my ears is done by Legacy RailSounds and PS3
Peter
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