Is there an upgrade available to update the earlier Lionel TMCC 2006 611 N&W J (Railsounds 5.0) making it comparable to the Legacy versions? I own the 2006 version, and love it, but I really like the speed control, 4 chuffs/revolution & quillable whistle of the Legacy engines.

ironman1 posted:

Is there an upgrade available to update the earlier Lionel TMCC 2006 611 N&W J (Railsounds 5.0) making it comparable to the Legacy versions? I own the 2006 version, and love it, but I really like the speed control, 4 chuffs/revolution & quillable whistle of the Legacy engines.

Sadly Lionel has not released upgrade kits, though you may be able to purchase all the required items from them and install it yourself.

The ERR kits from Sunset/GGD are pretty good, think they lack the whistle feature you desire though. GunRunnerJohn can set you up with all the other parts if you go the ERR route.

Personally I wouldn't worry about the speed control and just add the GRJ Super Chuffer and Chuff Generator boards.  Made a world of difference in mine.  4 chuffs per revoluntion and smoke actually puffs with the chuff.

Marty

 

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Just received another email after I sent them issues of their paint problem.  The guy said he sent my images over to their director of customer services to address. Basically I feel like it went into the garbage can but we’ll see what happened...

“We’re driving this train all the way to Mexico!”- Tough Guys

DJ Haney posted:

Just received another email after I sent them issues of their paint problem.  The guy said he sent my images over to their director of customer services to address. Basically I feel like it went into the garbage can but we’ll see what happened...

I wouldn't worry about it.  They have more than enough information on this. 

Marty

 

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There is a really easy and effective temporary fix to all this anguish.

I use Callie Graphics for vinyl stick-ons.  I promise - she can do an exact match for you with the colors you choose.  Best to provide a full size accurate photo or drawing, but lacking that, she can work to precise dimensions.

The vinyl comes pre-cut, with instructions on how to install perfectly.  It won't go around rivets, and may need some careful surgery near the cab, but once done I promise you won't be able to tell it is a "stick-on".  Plus, with a hair dryer, you can take it off when you decide you want orange instead of Tuscan.

DJ Haney posted:

Actually it’s funny to me, even though the correct lettering is Gold I would be fine if they used the yellow.  The real one almost looked like they used Yellow anyway.  But that red is totally an eye sore.

The stripes and lettering should be "Dulux Gold" (a shade of yellow) and tenders for 600 - 610 should be roll-top, while 611 - 613 should be flat top.

bob2 posted:

There is a really easy and effective temporary fix to all this anguish.

I use Callie Graphics for vinyl stick-ons.  I promise - she can do an exact match for you with the colors you choose.  Best to provide a full size accurate photo or drawing, but lacking that, she can work to precise dimensions.

The vinyl comes pre-cut, with instructions on how to install perfectly.  It won't go around rivets, and may need some careful surgery near the cab, but once done I promise you won't be able to tell it is a "stick-on".  Plus, with a hair dryer, you can take it off when you decide you want orange instead of Tuscan.

Why should I have to do that?

Marty

 

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Hi Marty,

I watched your first video years ago & was sold on the super chuffer. At that time I had John Will install the super chuffer & upgrade to 4 chuffs. When first tested it worked perfectly, I loved it. Before I installed Dale's signal booster it would stop at various spots on my layout so back on the shelf it went. A year later I figured I give it another shot, now with Legacy but no more smoke. I thought maybe I added too much fluid. Contacted John for suggestions, tried everything except take the shell off. Wasn't up to it, back on the shelf.

With Dale's booster now installed, it runs fine but of course no more smoke. Emailed John a few days back, I checked that the smoke switch was on but will probably take the shell off at some point to diagnose, as he suggested.

Since its the engine is TMCC & I only use Legacy, is it possible with the Cab 2 remote I disabled the smoke unit? What is the command to increase the smoke. I remember initially John mentioned that command could be a little finicky.

Thanks,

Joe



Marty - of course you do not have to do that.  I was just suggesting a cheap and effective way of eliminating anguish.  You are free to wait until Lionel makes it right.

I went looking for a photo of my Williams "J" - it has the correct shade of Tuscan on the stripe, and is a really good model for its modest cost.  Unfortunately I have no photos - maybe I shall fix that this afternoon.

Meantime, for anybody remotely interested, here is some of Callie's work in vinyl.  The SP switcher has the words SOUTHERN PACIFIC in vinyl, and they look great - bright orange!  The cab numbers are Microscale - kinda dull looking.  Stripes were masked and sprayed back before I got reasonably good at painting.

The bear is a traditional adornment for antique Cub aircraft.  She made mine bigger than the original.  It has been on the aircraft for over two years, flown hundreds of hours, and no discoloring or cracking.  Same vinyl.

Later on the photos - my computer says "queued"  

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Just my opinion but, even though that painting & styling on the N&W J is fantasy, Lionel really blew it. It Was named the "American Freedom Train", and each of the three steam locomotives that powered the train (Reading T-1 #1, SP GS-4 #4449, and T&P 2-10-4 #610) were all lettered for the "American Freedom Train. One would thing that Lionel could have at least got the correct lettering on the tender.

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DaveSlie posted:

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Just my opinion but, even though that painting & styling on the N&W J is fantasy, Lionel really blew it. It Was named the "American Freedom Train", and each of the three steam locomotives that powered the train (Reading T-1 #1, SP GS-4 #4449, and T&P 2-10-4 #610) were all lettered for the "American Freedom Train. One would thing that Lionel could have at least got the correct lettering on the tender.

Follow this link to see where Lionel got their design from....

https://www.freedomtrain.org/a...l-o-gauge-lineup.htm

DaveSlie posted:
Hot Water posted:
DaveSlie posted:

 

 

Just my opinion but, even though that painting & styling on the N&W J is fantasy, Lionel really blew it. It Was named the "American Freedom Train", and each of the three steam locomotives that powered the train (Reading T-1 #1, SP GS-4 #4449, and T&P 2-10-4 #610) were all lettered for the "American Freedom Train. One would thing that Lionel could have at least got the correct lettering on the tender.

Follow this link to see where Lionel got their design from....

https://www.freedomtrain.org/a...l-o-gauge-lineup.htm

I guess that's as right as it could be based on the link.  I guess I could argue either way but at least there is some background for the design they used.

Marty

 

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bob2 posted:

There is a really easy and effective temporary fix to all this anguish.

It won't go around rivets, and may need some careful surgery near the cab, but once done I promise you won't be able to tell it is a "stick-on".  Plus, with a hair dryer, you can take it off when you decide you want orange instead of Tuscan.

Then it is useless!

Sounds like more "anguish" to me!

DaveSlie posted:
Hot Water posted:
DaveSlie posted:

156B00C8-DFD5-4D55-8749-F82852F133AB710B5FFE-0FED-4228-863C-73B586D67A1FAFT version ....

 

 

Just my opinion but, even though that painting & styling on the N&W J is fantasy, Lionel really blew it. It Was named the "American Freedom Train", and each of the three steam locomotives that powered the train (Reading T-1 #1, SP GS-4 #4449, and T&P 2-10-4 #610) were all lettered for the "American Freedom Train. One would thing that Lionel could have at least got the correct lettering on the tender.

Follow this link to see where Lionel got their design from....

https://www.freedomtrain.org/a...l-o-gauge-lineup.htm

No wonder! That is NOT the original "American Freedom Train" website, it is long gone. The site you reference is a site put together by a VERY well meaning historian/railfan, thus tends to take some liberties. I was directly involved with the American Freedom Train and its management, through my employer, Electro-Motive Division of General Motors Corporation.

Hot Water posted:
DaveSlie posted:
Hot Water posted:
DaveSlie posted:

156B00C8-DFD5-4D55-8749-F82852F133AB710B5FFE-0FED-4228-863C-73B586D67A1FAFT version ....

 

 

Just my opinion but, even though that painting & styling on the N&W J is fantasy, Lionel really blew it. It Was named the "American Freedom Train", and each of the three steam locomotives that powered the train (Reading T-1 #1, SP GS-4 #4449, and T&P 2-10-4 #610) were all lettered for the "American Freedom Train. One would thing that Lionel could have at least got the correct lettering on the tender.

Follow this link to see where Lionel got their design from....

https://www.freedomtrain.org/a...l-o-gauge-lineup.htm

No wonder! That is NOT the original "American Freedom Train" website, it is long gone. The site you reference is a site put together by a VERY well meaning historian/railfan, thus tends to take some liberties. I was directly involved with the American Freedom Train and its management, through my employer, Electro-Motive Division of General Motors Corporation.

I'd love to see the original concept. Do you have any concept art?  

Marty

 

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Just got mine today, opened it up and found these two screws and two little cylindrical objects (for the screws?). Anyone know where these go? Could they be for a Kadee coupler?

Also the nose is loose to where it wobbles on the top but feels like its held on from the bottom inside so it doesn't fall off. Would this be to take off the shell and tighten a screw? Or would the screws from the above question are the ones to hold the nose and they just worked themselves loose during shipping?20191106_182059

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I am closing this thread mainly because it has become pretty much a handful of folks posting every few minutes or hours with the same comments over and over....  Statements that imply actions or non-action that are not substantiated.  Come Mr. Haney....I can tell you with authority that Lionel is still talking to the factory about having replacements made and trying to pick a red.  I can assure you that they didn't color match to some stupid sticker at a museum. GHEEEZZZ.  Congrats, the thread is closed!

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