Joe, the O72 Ross switches aren't an issue, there's a pretty short gap between the center tracks, I'm more worried about the longer switches. Glad I got rid of the #6 switches, I know they would have been an issue!
Makes sense. The rollers are only 3.5 inches apart so if those switches have a greater gap, then this switcher won't make it.
It promises to be "interesting". The curved switches "look" like 3 1/2" is enough, but time will tell. Given some of the issues I've heard about powering the extra rails with a relay, I'd rather avoid that if possible. I'm adding drops to accommodate that option if I have to, but I'll leave them unconnected if I don't need them.
The pickup assembly appears to be the same as on the conventional versions, and I run mine at slow speeds through O72, #4, and #5 switches with no trouble at all.
It does look the same, I'm hoping to avoid the relays for most of the switches. I'm preparing to have to use them at least on the double-slip switches, but we'll see. I wired drops for them, just in case...
Well, that was fun. After running for about 1/2 an hour the loco now trips my Lionel brick after sitting on the track for 10 seconds or so. Can hear an arcing noise coming from the loco. Back to Lionel for what is my first and last experience with BTO/preorder.
I'm curious if this thing is actually scale sized since it's a little dock switcher. Anyone know if it's scale or semi-scale?
@Doug Kinsman posted:Well, that was fun. After running for about 1/2 an hour the loco now trips my Lionel brick after sitting on the track for 10 seconds or so. Can hear an arcing noise coming from the loco. Back to Lionel for what is my first and last experience with BTO/preorder.
WOW, that's a bummer! Given the price, this is one I suspect I'll take apart and make sure nothing is going to short before I do any significant running.
@BNSF-Matt posted:I'm curious if this thing is actually scale sized since it's a little dock switcher. Anyone know if it's scale or semi-scale?
It's scale sized amazingly enough.
Rusty
The scale size is one reason I was attracted to it. 
@gunrunnerjohn posted:The scale size is one reason I was attracted to it.
Thank you, glad to know that. I will probably end up picking one up then.
I love this little guy Dont know how many cars it can pull yet
Cool, glad I have a couple in the works.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:WOW, that's a bummer! Given the price, this is one I suspect I'll take apart and make sure nothing is going to short before I do any significant running.
Yeah, I thought better of opening it up as I was afraid of voiding a warranty. I work on all my other stuff doing smoke unit replacements ERR upgrades, etc. but its all used stuff. Oh well, hopefully the return/repair process isn't too painful.
Hopefully, being Lionel certified, I might get away with it. In any case, for a $200 engine, I'm willing to risk it.
@bluelinec4 posted:I love this little guy Dont know how many cars it can pull yet
Nice! That's the livery I have coming. It really looks great with the black and contrasting color trim.
@bluelinec4 posted:I love this little guy Dont know how many cars it can pull yet
Ben, before you start piling on the rolling stock, you might want to wait until you or someone else checks what motor is in there. I m betting its still the starter set motor used in the phase two Docksiders. These are not particularly robust.
Looks like a fun engine but I will stick with my phase 1 conventional one. It a nice runner and even has puffing smoke. The circuit card in there is actually fairly large, even bigger than a RCMC. I'll be interested to see what the new all in one circuits look like. Surprised Alex hasn't gotten one apart yet.
Pete
Pete, that's the first thing I'm going to do when I get mine, I wonder what they stuck in there. I hope it's not the little flat-sided set motor! 
John, Anxious to get a report from you!
Folks,
My new Lionel 0-6-0T Switcher arrived from Charles Ro today. I ordered the Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal livery as I really like the look in the catalog pages. The black loco and red, yellow and white trim has great eye appeal.
This was packaged well and had nice heft for a small loco.
Put it on the track right away to test out connectivity and it paired with my Lion Chief App and the Universal Remote flawlessly. I am a conventional operator so no TMCC/Legacy so those will be my choices for running. Smoke unit off for now (will test soon) but good sounds from bell and whistle. Front and rear couplers fired as intended. Gave it a few quick laps and response seems fine, forward and reverse.
I will get a video with a more comprehensive review later but here are some shots of this long awaited Lion Chief Plus 2.0 loco. My first LC+ 2.0 loco.
So far, so good!
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The anticipation is killing me haha I almost wish I had gone with the BEDT just because of that red.
This appears to be a scale model of an Alco 0-6-0T industrial switcher as shown on page 32 of Model Railroader Cyclopedia (c) - Volume 1 by Lynn H. Westcott, 1960. The engine shown is listed as having been built in 1910.
MELGAR
@MELGAR posted:This appears to be a scale model of an Alco 0-6-0T industrial switcher as shown on page 32 of Model Railroader Cyclopedia (c) - Volume 1 by Lynn H. Westcott, 1960.
Useful if we had that book... 
@NYC Z-MAN posted:John, Anxious to get a report from you!
It's a little slower as Henning's has to get them from the distributor, so I hope to have it soon.
Very nice!, I ordered the Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal livery as well. I was hoping to do a shell swap with one of my older docksides. Seeing the finished locomotive, I will almost feel guilty not using the BEDT shell if the shell swap works!
Question, why would the smoke unit seem to run continuously? How would it be triggered?
I think at anything but dead slow, the chuffs would blend together as Lionel doesn't dynamically brake the smoke fan motor. However, I haven't seen it run really slow to see if it chuffs even at that speed, maybe someone can post a video of it running at it's slowest speed?
For those that want a glimpse inside I opened it up to ensure mine doesn't crap out after a half hour like reported above by another user. My best guess would be the wiring from the smoke unit which is routed directly underneath the flywheel. If that isn't perfect it will rub right through the wires. Mine just clears it. I can't tell what kind of can motor is in here but there was no room for anything bigger.
The smoke unit has a nice metal stack which seals against a gasket on the shell. That should help when filling it so fluid doesn't pour all over. Also the bowl on the smoke seems quite large considering. I am sticking to lionels recommendations to no more than 20 drops. Overall the insides seem well layed out.
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Wow, nice packaging job. That is the starter set motor that has been around for decades. It should last, just don't overload it.
Pete
Bummer, it does have the small motor, that's a shame. Still a great deal, but I'm not as impressed, I was hoping for a better motor.
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John, I agree a bigger motor would have been nice. From I saw, i know not to overload this loc. I can see it working well in a yard area where its moving cars around.
Quick update to my post above...
Turned on the smoke unit and added ~20 drops of Lionel Premium. Wow, great billowing smoke. However, as mentioned by another poster no chuff. Will try to get a video up sometime tomorrow.
Now...would love to hear suggestions on what to pull behind this.
@Joe Fermani posted:My best guess would be the wiring from the smoke unit which is routed directly underneath the flywheel. If that isn't perfect it will rub right through the wires. Mine just clears it. I can't tell what kind of can motor is in here but there was no room for anything bigger.
Sounds pretty logical to me. Is there room to put some kind of shield on the wire to stop the insulation from rubbing away? The pic looks like it's really tight in there.
I'm hoping there is enough clearance to move those wires more on the side of the motor. Moving them out about 1/2 inch should clear the flywheel. Just need to make sure the shell still goes on. There is no room to put anything on top of the wires and stay under the flywheel. There is no room.
The only way they could have improved the motor is with a high dollar instrument motor like a Maxon. No room for a larger motor thats for sure.
Pete
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Bummer, it does have the small motor, that's a shame. Still a great deal, but I'm not as impressed, I was hoping for a better motor.
The motor just fits between the front drivers. The next size up available probably wouldn't fit.
Rusty
@johnstrains posted:Quick update to my post above...
Turned on the smoke unit and added ~20 drops of Lionel Premium. Wow, great billowing smoke. However, as mentioned by another poster no chuff. Will try to get a video up sometime tomorrow.
Now...would love to hear suggestions on what to pull behind this.
This site has some great pictures of BEDT 0-6-0
@Rusty Traque posted:The motor just fits between the front drivers. The next size up available probably wouldn't fit.
That doesn't make me feel any better about that weak and failure prone motor.
No encoder, so it appears the LC+ 2.0 board uses back-EMF cruise. Makes sense, they have that in the can.
@wmcwood posted:This site has some great pictures of BEDT 0-6-0
Thanks for the link. Great site!
There's the BEDT switcher in the flesh!
I wonder if there's any chance that the chuff signal is on one of those unused connectors? I would consider reprogramming a Chuff-Generator to just do chuffing smoke if there was a way to sample the chuff signal.
Your biggest problem John would be where to put the board. The lc plus 2 board takes up a lot of space. After speed step 4 the chuffs come pretty quickly. The first 3 speed steps you would clearly see the chuff. I'll be interested to see if you upgrade this.
