Any Santa Fe 2-10-4 sightings ???

Mine should be here Monday

Mine should be here on Saturday, I will try and post photos/videos if it delivers.

Thanks Matt - anxious to see what Lionel did with the MTH tooling and how they "improved" things - apparently one of the changes cosmetically has been to the engine / tender gap which I guess was significant on the MTH version ??? - any pics / video would be appreciated

Talk to you soon

Joe S

Got her today, looks good! I wish Lionel had put the polished rods on these but overall I'm very pleased

Mine should be here tomorrow, in the PRR fantasy colors.

Mine came today as well. Very happy with the finished product. Great selection of whistles and probably one of the best bells available for steam.

I attached a video of all the whistles available if interested.

Thank you everyone for the feedback - engine looks and sounds great - quick question - on the 5011 Santa Fe in some pics the black appears to be a gloss and in others a much less glossy satin / flat finish ??? - just curious - Thx

@dorfj2 posted:

Thank you everyone for the feedback - engine looks and sounds great - quick question - on the 5011 Santa Fe in some pics the black appears to be a gloss and in others a much less glossy satin / flat finish ??? - just curious - Thx

The logical comparison is to use the MTH restoration Big Boy. As you can see from the photos the 5011 is more of a satin finish next to the glossy Big Boy.

So....are these models more accurate than the Lionel 2-10-4s they previously issued in C&O and Pennsy livery?

I really like what I see above, especially the Santa Fe Version.

BP, these are SF 5011 Class 2-10-4s, whole different beast. Lionel has made a very viable PRR J1a 2-10-4 and a slightly less accurate C&O T1 based off their J1a.

For PRR modelers, many of the SF 5011 Class engines can be justified on a PRR layout since they were rented mules in 1956:

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/prr%20santa%20fe.htm

http://www.columbusrailroads.c...%20Fe%20Class%205011

Has anyone checked to see if this model has a back driveable geartrain? I.E. if you roll the model do the drivers move? The MTH version had a chassis with a non-back driveable gearbox. I'm curious if Lionel left the gearbox alone or added their own back driveable gearbox design to the chassis. The MTH designed gearbox was bullet proof, so I'm hoping Lionel kept it.

@Lou1985 posted:

I'm curious if Lionel left the gearbox alone or added their own back driveable gearbox design to the chassis. The MTH designed gearbox was bullet proof, so I'm hoping Lionel kept it.

Fwiw, In the early days of Legacy. Lionels back drivable gearbox was still achieved via the traditional worm and axle gear setup.

They started using those intermediate gears around 2011.

Maybe the gear reduction helps the Canon perform like a Pittman😉

There have been a few locos in between that have back driveability and no extra gears. I believe the Legacy ESE hudsons and VL Niagra to name a couple.

Hopefully folks will get lucky with these 2 -10-4's

@RickO posted:

Fwiw, In the early days of Legacy. Lionels back drivable gearbox was still achieved via the traditional worm and axle gear setup.

They started using those intermediate gears around 2011.

Maybe the gear reduction helps the Canon perform like a Pittman😉

There have been a few locos in between that have back driveability and no extra gears. I believe the Legacy ESE hudsons and VL Niagra to name a couple.

Hopefully folks will get lucky with these 2 -10-4's

It’ll really be interesting to see what they’ve done to this chassis, as I’m sure it'll more than likely become SOP on former MTH large locomotives, …..

Pat

@Norm Charbonneau posted:

BP, these are SF 5011 Class 2-10-4s, whole different beast. Lionel has made a very viable PRR J1a 2-10-4 and a slightly less accurate C&O T1 based off their J1a.

For PRR modelers, many of the SF 5011 Class engines can be justified on a PRR layout since they were rented mules in 1956:

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/prr%20santa%20fe.htm

http://www.columbusrailroads.c...%20Fe%20Class%205011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFWrP0bZLZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5zOCNNw6t0

I don’t think I’ve actually seen that first one. Lit class lights at 1:03!

Heres some recommended reading for fans of the 5011 Class:

I sought these out when I did my 5022 project. The Tipton book has some good shots of the turntable skates the Pennsy made to accommodate these beasts.

@BNSF-Matt posted:

Mine came today as well. Very happy with the finished product. Great selection of whistles and probably one of the best bells available for steam.

I attached a video of all the whistles available if interested.

Nice assortment of whistles. Do they tell you which one is correct for the engine?

@RickO posted:

Fwiw, In the early days of Legacy. Lionels back drivable gearbox was still achieved via the traditional worm and axle gear setup.

They started using those intermediate gears around 2011.

Maybe the gear reduction helps the Canon perform like a Pittman😉

There have been a few locos in between that have back driveability and no extra gears. I believe the Legacy ESE hudsons and VL Niagra to name a couple.

Hopefully folks will get lucky with these 2 -10-4's

If Lionel just changed the pitch on the worm wheel and worm shaft to make the gearbox back driveable that would be fine. The gearbox would still be rugged. It's those intermediate gears that worry me slightly.

Gearbox or not I'm pretty sure my MTH version I turned into a 5001 class with a rare earth magnet, 6mm ball bearing Pittman motor will drastically out pull the current Lionel version 😉.

@BobbyD posted:

Nice assortment of whistles. Do they tell you which one is correct for the engine?

I'm not a whistle expert by any means, but I think the first default one is probably pretty close.

This is the only video (not mine) I could find with a sort of clear whistle sound.