Thanks to tips from this forum, when I had trouble with a screw camming out on a train car, I ordered a set of what Amazon said are JIS screwdrivers (Hozan D-550-100, D-555-100, D-540-100 and D-530-75).  They worked where my old Phillips head screwdrivers did not, so I did not follow up.  A bike mechanic told me JIS screwdrivers are no longer made, so I did some research, starting with the label on the screwdrivers (which do not say JIS) and the Hozan website.  Hozan calls these Phillips screwdrivers and not JIS - see their website. https://www.hozan.co.jp/E/cata...tools/D-530_555.html

A motorcycle website did some research on this and says they are confused but it looks like JIS screwdrivers are no longer made.  https://www.webbikeworld.com/h...screwdrivers-review/

Can anyone clarify?  Maybe someone from a train company knows more.

 

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Japanese Industrial Standard screws / drivers have been around since before WW2. It's almost a Phillips... But not quite as the heads are designed to not cam out... And they're probably not going anywhere anytime soon. The head should be identified by a dot in the middle of one of the webs. 

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I purchased my set of JIS screwdrivers from Granger. They offered two different sets, one for small screws and one for larger screws. Obviously I purchased the set for smaller screws, and have been very happy with the results, since virtually every screw in all our more modern models are JIS (unless they are a hex head machine screw).

Yes, you can still buy JIS screwdrivers.    You just need to drill down in Google, etc,, to find a supplier.

I love JIS screws. There is more flat are the flatter sided JIS screwdriver makes contact with.   Prevent the destruction or "camming out" of standard Phillips screw head which has a bit more curve

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SteamWolf posted:

Japanese Industrial Standard screws / drivers have been around since before WW2. It's almost a Phillips... But not quite as the heads are designed to not cam out... And they're probably not going anywhere anytime soon. The head should be identified by a dot in the middle of one of the webs. 

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HA!  You beat me to the picture and description

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David

The gentleman that sells all the tools in the orange hall at York sells the screw driver set. They are in a green pouch. 

Rod Miller

Hot Water posted:

Try Moody Tools, as that was the brand that Granger sells.

Second that, got my Moody’s from Grainger........full compliment of JIS screwdrivers, very well made......Pat

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here is the name of the supplier from orange Hall.

there called B&B Hobby Supply

701 Mill Street

Bridgeville, PA 15017

phone number is 412-580-4570

they sell a lot of specialty tools. I hav purchase them there!

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Moody's are very good; I gave a set to each of the guys in our train group about a year ago. Also I have found that Wiha Pozidriv screwdrivers work very well on JIS screws. I have found Wiha numbers PZ1x80 and PZ0x60 have served all my needs.

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          Division of the Southern Adirondack Railway Cartel

 

 

The JIS reminds me of Reed & Prince, I wonder how they compare.

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  Dave

 

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modeltrainsparts posted:

Moody's are very good; I gave a set to each of the guys in our train group about a year ago. Also I have found that Wiha Pozidriv screwdrivers work very well on JIS screws. I have found Wiha numbers PZ1x80 and PZ0x60 have served all my needs.

Pozidriv is an entirely different bag of potatoes. Russet actually. Pozidriv has a different head on the driver that while it may work, isn't correct and again may damage the slots on the screw. See attached picture if you want to enjoy a stroke. 

Sloted

 EDIT: UNPOPULAR OPINION - we should all be using Torx, Hex or Robertson. They are the best. Period. Don't tell me why I'm wrong, I won't listen. 

 

-Fuzz
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Use whatever works for you, but PLEASE, don't try to pick fly s..t out of the pepper!

jackson, CEO, Not-So-Great Eastern RR, aka The Never Done Line

          Division of the Southern Adirondack Railway Cartel

 

 

I am not having any luck buying JIS screwdrivers.  I tried B&B Hobby and Grainger, but I cannot find any JIS screwdriver sets in their online catalogs.  Moody's sells only skinny handle (like jewelers) JIS screwdrivers, and I would prefer a regular sized handle.  Can anyone provide a link?  Thanks.

I prefer Robertson for woodworking screws, but I have not done enough model train work to form an opinion about using small Robertson screws for trains.

 


Robertson?  A."square-driver"?

If it has to be a recess, I like the square. A slot with ends 😜

Twelve point over hex. The 12pt teeth vs sides, just doesn't round out as easily imo.

 

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Old Newbie posted:

I am not having any luck buying JIS screwdrivers.  I tried B&B Hobby and Grainger, but I cannot find any JIS screwdriver sets in their online catalogs.  Moody's sells only skinny handle (like jewelers) JIS screwdrivers, and I would prefer a regular sized handle.  Can anyone provide a link?  Thanks.

I prefer Robertson for woodworking screws, but I have not done enough model train work to form an opinion about using small Robertson screws for trains.

 

I got mine from McMaster Carr. They sell quality tools and ship promptly. 

https://www.mcmaster.com/screwdrivers

Follow the link and select JIS. 

If they don't have it, you don't need it.

Pete

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Norton posted:

I got mine from McMaster Carr. They sell quality tools and ship promptly. 

https://www.mcmaster.com/screwdrivers

Follow the link and select JIS. 

If they don't have it, you don't need it.

Pete

https://www.mcmaster.com/jis-j...tandard-screwdrivers 

I've been unable to find a long handled version of the #1 and #2 smaller sizes anywhere and have been using the set that gunrunnerjohn posted awhile back.

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PRRMP54 posted:

The JIS reminds me of Reed & Prince, I wonder how they compare.

I still have dad's #1 & #2 R&P.  They come to more of a point than either Phillips or this type.

Frisco, MoPac, and T&P near Rolla, MO

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