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Originally Posted by tplee:

Is anyone else concerned that we might never see the rest of the CA Zephyr set.  Has anyone heard about other cars that Atlas is planning.  I fear they just might abandon the project.  Others thoughts?

I was talking to the dealer I get my Atlas O from and he mentioned that the observation car will be the next announcement. They realize that customers are getting impatient and wanting to run something resembling a train. We shall see.

Personally, I do not like when the importers choose this approach of announcing/producing individual passenger cars over a period of years.  I've tolerated it with Lionel's Polar Express (scale cars), but that's been my sole exception.  I much prefer when an entire "set" is offered... at least a 4- or 5-pack WITH observation so a short train can be run.  The overseas manufacturing relationships are too precarious right now to risk purchasing one car at a time.  But if you want the CZ from Atlas, that's the only way to do it.  Although Lionel's new version of the CZ cars will be 18" vs 21" from Atlas-O, I opted for Lionel's entire set approach due out mid-2013.

David

The Atlas scale length passenger situation is a "darned if you do and darned if you don't" scenario. In Atlas O's defense, they thought they were doing the right thing by spreading out the delivery of an expensive passenger train set, so that potential customers could then afford to purchase the whole set, spread-out over 2 or 3 years. Little did Atlas know that the manufacturer would "throw them out of their factory" due to the Bachman "expansion".

 

On the other side of the coin, Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot produces full 8 to 10 car passenger train "sets" all at once, and offers them at pretty reasonable prices for the 2-Rail and 3-Rail Scale modelers, which sell out VERY fast.

 

Guess the suppliers in O Scale can't please everyone, all the time.

We're in the process of shipping the second run of the 10/6 Sleeper and the Dome chair Coach along with having just finished taking orders for the Diner and 16 Section Sleeper. Advanced pre-production photographs of these two cars can be found on our Facebook page. 

 

Atlas is committed to the completion of the California Zephyr train and we’ll have additional important announcements shortly that will be communicated through our retailers and on our website, so stick with us as it’s going to be an exciting year, especially for Zephyr owners.

 

Thank you for your patience and continued support,

Jerry Kimble, Sales
Atlas Model Railroad Company

Well, also in defense of Atlas as a company trying to make a reasonable return-on-investment (a.k.a., "profit"....hissssssssssssss), the dies/tooling for these babies do not qualify under 'chump change'.  If you want the accuracy of proper contours, window arrangements, interiors, etc., etc., blah, blah, then EACH one of the body styles is different, or heavily modified, tooling.  Based on the market size...predicted, now demonstrated...and the economy...oh, wait, there's nothing wrong there!...coupled with the fact they just had a major hiccup in the China production with change of factory to produce their mainstay...track...that has set hobbyists back many months waiting, waiting, waiting....why would we expect everything at once? 

 

I know, I know, we're part of the 'I-want-it, I-want-it-cheap, I-want-it-NOW!!' generation. 

 

So who cares?....just gimme!

 

A while back there was a thread speculation on what would be Atlas' next passenger train project.  What?  They would make that leap without finishing the first project?  Right.  Now THAT would be the way to run a battleship...or model railroading company!  'Lessee, sales/return isn't going the way we anticipated.  Hmmmm.  We must've picked the wrong train to model.  Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief!  I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!'

 

 

Patience.

 

Go to York...give Atlas POSITIVE ENCOURAGEMENT in what they're doing.   It smooths over the rough edges of reality for today's manufacturers in discretionary income business. 

 

Happy Spring! 

 

KD

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by dkdkrd:

 We must've picked the wrong train to model.  Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief!  I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!'

 

 

KD 

Good post, KD!

 

However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief.

 

Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of" train sets, with their unique car sides & window patterns.

Originally Posted by dkdkrd:

Well, also in defense of Atlas as a company trying to make a reasonable return-on-investment (a.k.a., "profit"....hissssssssssssss), the dies/tooling for these babies do not qualify under 'chump change'.  If you want the accuracy of proper contours, window arrangements, interiors, etc., etc., blah, blah, then EACH one of the body styles is different, or heavily modified, tooling.  Based on the market size...predicted, now demonstrated...and the economy...oh, wait, there's nothing wrong there!...coupled with the fact they just had a major hiccup in the China production with change of factory to produce their mainstay...track...that has set hobbyists back many months waiting, waiting, waiting....why would we expect everything at once? 

 

I know, I know, we're part of the 'I-want-it, I-want-it-cheap, I-want-it-NOW!!' generation. 

 

So who cares?....just gimme!

 

A while back there was a thread speculation on what would be Atlas' next passenger train project.  What?  They would make that leap without finishing the first project?  Right.  Now THAT would be the way to run a battleship...or model railroading company!  'Lessee, sales/return isn't going the way we anticipated.  Hmmmm.  We must've picked the wrong train to model.  Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief!  I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!'

 

 

Patience.

 

Go to York...give Atlas POSITIVE ENCOURAGEMENT in what they're doing.   It smooths over the rough edges of reality for today's manufacturers in discretionary income business. 

 

Happy Spring! 

 

KD

 

 

 

 

It is approaching 4 years since these cars were announced. That wll turn in to at least 5 years before we probably see an observation car and can run something resembling a train. You wonder why some have lost patience and post those little shocked and angry graemlins? I am happy they are making these cars and am resigned to just waiting it out. But, I don't think it is suprising or unjustified that some are not happy with the way these cars are being released.

Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by dkdkrd:

 We must've picked the wrong train to model.  Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief!  I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!'

 

 

KD 

Good post, KD!

 

However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief.

 

Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of" train sets, with their unique car sides & window patterns.


Keep in mind there are significant price differences going on between Atlas and GGD. The Atlas CZ cars can be preordered for $129.95. The GGD Super Chief cars are at $239.99. The upcoming GGD Lark cars are at $199.99. The GGD Daylight cars were about $138 and seem like an absolute bargain now. If these price differences can remain in place, is there a market for Super Chief cars from both companies? Or will the cost of new dies/tooling bring Atlas prices in line with GGD? The advantage GGD has now is bringing a whole set to market in a shorter time frame.

Originally Posted by RockyMountaineer:
Personally, I do not like when the importers choose this approach of announcing/producing individual passenger cars over a period of years.  I've tolerated it with Lionel's Polar Express (scale cars), but that's been my sole exception.  I much prefer when an entire "set" is offered... at least a 4- or 5-pack WITH observation so a short train can be run.  The overseas manufacturing relationships are too precarious right now to risk purchasing one car at a time.  But if you want the CZ from Atlas, that's the only way to do it.  Although Lionel's new version of the CZ cars will be 18" vs 21" from Atlas-O, I opted for Lionel's entire set approach due out mid-2013.

David

I really like Lionel 18" passenger cars and have a bunch of them. As far as the CZ cars, all I have seen are the catalog pictures and they show only two dome cars. The observation car does not have a dome.  Do you know any more about the dome cars in the set?

I am really looking forward to the next release. I have 2 dome cars and the sleeper. they are fantastic, and I recommend anyone building a layout purchase one of these, their long wheel bases, small wheel flanges, and scale car lengths will tell all.

The only thing that looks odd is the blinds appear to be mounted on the outside of the windows and there are no people inside.

I will wait for the cars and I hope the rear observation car is next, not many people can fork out over a 800 dollars at once for a passenger set, but if you release the cars over time... it sure helps the wallet.

 

Originally Posted by J Daddy:

The only thing that looks odd is the blinds appear to be mounted on the outside of the windows and there are no people inside. 

Atlas already offered replacement window strips with the blinds correctly located on the INSIDE. All you have to to is slide the old, incorrect, wind strips out and slide the new replacements in. Suggest you contact Mr. Kimble at Atlas, and he'll probably send you some.

Originally Posted by drgwdavid:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by dkdkrd:

 We must've picked the wrong train to model.  Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief!  I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!'

 

 

KD 

Good post, KD!

 

However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief.

 

Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of" train sets, with their unique car sides & window patterns.


Keep in mind there are significant price differences going on between Atlas and GGD. The Atlas CZ cars can be preordered for $129.95. The GGD Super Chief cars are at $239.99. The upcoming GGD Lark cars are at $199.99. The GGD Daylight cars were about $138 and seem like an absolute bargain now. If these price differences can remain in place, is there a market for Super Chief cars from both companies? Or will the cost of new dies/tooling bring Atlas prices in line with GGD? The advantage GGD has now is bringing a whole set to market in a shorter time frame.

Bear in mind Atlas at their present pace is probably 2 years away from completing the current CZ set, too long a period to even venture a guess at what they might choose to produce after that. GGD is on a roll and clearly has the time frame to produce whatever passenger cars they get enough reservations for.

At the risk of hijacking this thread, I do hope that somebody comes out with a decent 60 foot RPO, whether it's John Santa Fe's or somebody else's. One of the things about three-rail that irritates me is that even where the prototype had decent short cars available and condensation wasn't necessary, the toy train makers chose to make toy-like models of baggage and RPO cars. The Santa Fe's streamlined RPOs did good service on the Santa Fe, and some ran for a while afterwards on the New Haven (until the Penn Central merger) and on the Nacionales de Mexico after the Santa Fe stopped running RPO cars

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