Auxillary Tender 6-38007 for Lionmaster Big Boy/Challenger

If no one helps you before this afternoon I will take some pic and post late today. I have a Lionel scale Clinchfield with the scale aux tender. I also half dozen Lionmaster challengers and the lion master  Bigboy as well. I’ll compair them to see what they look like.

Larry

Eddie, I brought up this topic a few years ago in the post linked below. To summarize, the scale water tenders are too big for the Lionmaster line in my opinion, however MTH just released some semi-scale ones not too long ago in various Big Boy / Challenger schemes that would match very well.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...35#55771436679065435

Eddie

I remember Matt's post now . I didn't have the scale Clinchfield tender at that time. I just took some pictures for you to look at.

1.  One on the is the left is a regular old rail king 30-1117

2. The center one is a scale challenger tender. 6-38039

3. The one on the right is a Lion Master Big boy tender. 6-28077

I'm not picky, but they just don't match.

Larry

forgot these two pictures

Scale next to each other , really what it's suppose to look like. I got to get  a bigger display case at York in April.

Thanks Matt and Larry - just saved me from an expensive mistake.

Yeah I thought about doing this with my Challenger and Big Boy. I’ll pass on those but considering getting a N&W tender for my A

I don't keep up, but hasn't there been made a RK or Lionel Traditional aux tender of this particular configuration? Also, think RK UP gas turbine tender (they were steam tenders originally). Tenders do show up alone.

Again, I may be off the beam, but maybe all you might need is some black paint and some almost-certainly available UP decals. 

Yes, there are four of them available now by MTH in the Railking line. Yellow - Jim Adams US Flag, Yellow - UP, Greyhound UP, Black UP. Most of the major online shops have them all.

Yes, Matt, I bought a black one on line last night.

I matched the dimensions in the MTH "Features" description with the actual size of my LM tenders for BB and Challenger to make sure it would match up correctly. 

Should look really nice with your Lionmaster. I bought the Yellow UP for my Imperial Big Boy, and I'm going to pick up the Jim Adams Flag one this year.

Eddie

please post some pictures when you get it with the lionmaster.

thanks

Larry

Just to show you more detail, and size matched up against my Imperial Bigboy tender.

These Railking tenders are top notch for the money, All die-cast, heavy!, nice details, metal chains.

Here is mine, arrived today. Matches up perfectly with LM tender. Quality Product.

Looks great Eddie!

IC Gulf posted:

Here is mine, arrived today. Matches up perfectly with LM tender. Quality Product.

That looks pretty good Eddie. Thanks for sharing

Crazy as it sounds, I'm thinking of buying a second one so that I have one for LM Big Boy and one for LM Challenger and run the two sets passing each other on two loops. Sounds pretty awesome to me if I can convince myself I need to own two of the same car. Price is right -- 2 of these MTH for the price of 1 scale Lionel.  Or if I bought a second aux tender, I could diversify color. Would a yellow one look out of place with the all black loco/tender ? Did the real thing run that way ? I see Matt runs yellow and it looks great to me. And no, I'm definitely not buying two of each color. 

IC Gulf posted:

 Did the real thing run that way ? I see Matt runs yellow and it looks great to me.

Certainly in recent excursion service

And no, I'm definitely not buying two of each color. 

but..........why not??????

And a modern freight run as well I suppose.

If it makes you feel any better I plan on getting the Jim Adams U.S. Flag tender really soon.  Should go great with that U.S. Flag RK UP passenger car coming out.

The primary reason I got yellow is because it matches my Big Boy passenger set.

Matt, that is a great looking set, is that MTH and still available ?

Larry, here are a couple of more shots with the aux tender sitting between LM BB tender and LM Challenger tender, two of these is right at 21 inches, all 3 are at 32 inches. 

Ignore the background, I haven't even started to place accessories, buildings, etc.  Still have more track to lay first.

BTW thanks to everyone from whom I borrowed ideas: 48 inch height, terminal blocks for bus wiring, Woodland Scenics road bed, Rustoleum fleck paint, 3 R Plastic ties, Dick Wacthman's Trainshelf- can't really tell from the pics but all of these greatly increased the look, operation and fun of my toy train layout. 

Eddie, mine is the last round they did from 2015. If you check around I'm sure a shop might have it, and check eBay as well.

https://mthtrains.com/30-1686-1

Eddie

Based on all this  information and the accumulated photos I  ordered these today:

1. Rail King 30-79539.   Gray / yellow lettering water tender Union Pacific.    #3977

2. Rail King 30-79540 Black / white lettering water tender Union Pacific.       #3983

Wouldn't mind having them for my Western Maryland #1201,  Norfolk and Western #1218  Rio Grande #3803  Legacy Lion masters I also have.

Love those LM on a small layout.

That may be a wee bit greedy .lol

Larry

Larry Sr. posted:

Eddie

Based on all this  information and the accumulated photos I  ordered these today:

1. Rail King 30-79539.   Gray / yellow lettering water tender Union Pacific.    #3977

2. Rail King 30-79540 Black / white lettering water tender Union Pacific.       #3983

 

Wouldn't mind having them for my Western Maryland #1201,  Norfolk and Western #1218  Rio Grande #3803  Legacy Lion masters I also have.

Love those LM on a small layout.

That may be a wee bit greedy .lol

Larry

 

 

I love how you think Larry, I’m planning on getting the water tender my Class A. I have a Challenger and Big Boy but I’m gonna wait after I get some other stuff first before I pick up a tender for those two.

Well, I bought Yellow and a set of Williams Crown Edition. Can't tell much from my photos but a definite difference between shades of the yellow color between Williams cars and the MTH tender.  

Another disappointment was that the Williams cars came new in the box with RUSTED axles on 3 of the 6 cars. I can clean them up but why should I have to do that on a "new" item.  Risk of buying off the bay or poor quality by Williams ? Plus there is a spot of silver on the frame of the tender and a spot of yellow on the other end of the frame. The silver trucks look silly next to the black Williams trucks.  I am beginning to regret this whole purchase.

Here's a couple of shots of my Lionmaster Big Boy with the Lionel water tenders. I know that they are larger than tender, but not so much so that it bothers me.

RickO posted:

IC Gulf posted:

 Did the real thing run that way ? I see Matt runs yellow and it looks great to me.

Certainly in recent excursion service 

The UP converted/rebuilt these auxiliary water tenders from fuel tenders they had used with their gas turbine engines. Before that they had been converted/rebuilt for the gas turbines from tenders used with Challengers and FEF Northerns. The UP has used four of these water tenders, and two of them are currently in service. They were only built for operation with the "heritage" steam engines used for excursion service in the modern era, necessary of course because water towers are no longer in existence. 

They were never used with steam engines when the UP was actually using steam engines in commercial service, so if by the phrase "Did the real thing run that way?" you mean when steam engines were still in service, the answer is no. They would only be appropriate to use if you're modeling a modern UP excursion train.

If anyone is interested in the history of the real water tenders this page has a lot of information about them.