The story goes that the locomotive was beening towed by truck to the museum along the street with snap track then a teamsters strike took out the tow truck.
Block and tackle were then fastened to a donkey on the level sreet for final delivery. I had a photo from my father who worked for Jerry Baldwin back then but it has been lost. I am intersted in finding the photo showing the donkey with block and tackle.
Any links? Thanks. tt
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A number of B&W photos of No. 60000 being moved into Railroad Hall (now The Train Factory) were posted on the rear wall. Maybe they are still there. Contact the Franklin Institute (www.fi.edu).
There is more to the story. No 60000 is positioned on a bridge that was open to the public.
The photos were shuffled once again in the renaming of the room and that photo is no where to be seen.
Here's the only pic I've found, downloaded it in 2010, unknown source.
what does this mean (from the franklin site).
"There is a continuous equalisation system on each side of the locomotive from the leading drivers to the rear truck."
what does this mean (from the franklin site).
"There is a continuous equalisation system on each side of the locomotive from the leading drivers to the rear truck."
This means that the 60000 is sprung like all 4-X-X locomotives except the PRR E6 Atlantic (the lead truck of the E6 was equalized with the #1 driver; the #2 driver was equalized with the trailer).
In other words, the spring/equalization is continous down each side of the locomotive from the lead driver, the trailer being equalized with the #5 drivers. The lead truck is not equalized with the drivers and there is no cross-equalizer between the front springs of the #1 drivers.
Typically, in a locomotive with a 2-wheel lead truck an equalizer from the lead truck was pivoted somewhere under the cylinder and linked to a cross-equalizer linking the front ends of the #1 driver springs. A locomotive such as a Mikado would have its equalization divided between the #2 and #3 drivers; in other words the springs of the #2 drivers were attached to the frame, as were the front ends of the springs of the #3 driver. The trailer was equalized with the last driver.
There's nothing unusual about 60000's springing. It's perhaps the most conventional aspect of the entire engine.
EdKing
I've read various article on the 60000 an d one complaint about it which is always stated is the heavy axle loading of the engine. But when I've checked it is only an average of 68,000lbs/axle. Considering that there were locos with axle loadings over 80,000lb, 68,000lb doesn't sound so high. Were axle loadings back when the 60000 was built significantly lower back then?
Thanks,
Stuart
It's more than the axle loading. No. 60000 is a HUGE locomotive. She would look big next to UP 844, SP GS-4 4449, or a NS Heritage Unit. Only Challenger 3985 would exceed her in sheer mass. Making her heavier than usual is her water-tube firebox wih two big horizontal drums on top and an array of pipes curved down each side to her mud ring. That firebox was necessary to sustain her 350# pressure. But it is much heavier than an ordinary firebox. She has a Duplex stoker, so that adds a few pounds. I always thought that her 2-wheel trailing truck was straining to support the whole thing. Another ponderous component is her massive Worthington feedwater heater on the fireman's side. Probably in operation her crews felt top heavy, especially in the mountains.
Her tender is kinda small, sufficient for test runs but not for regular service. It probably would have been replaced by something 3 to 6 feet longer - maybe not the size of a Pennsy "coast-to-coast" tender (on 4-8-2 6755 at The Railroad Museum of PA) but close. Put a long B&O Vanderbilt tender as featured in the current OGR behind her and THAT would be something to see!
This would make a great model because it ran on many roads pulling freight cars on their lines.
This would make a great model because it ran on many roads pulling freight cars on their lines.
It would make a neat model, but there'd be a lot of stuff for a model manufacturer to get right. Left hand lead, outside admission cylinders, the valve linkage on the left side to operate the link on the right side, the strange orientation of the eccentric crank on the right side to operate the link for the center cylinder . . .
When you consider that a lot of manufacturers have a load of trouble getting a simple Walschaerts or Baker valve gear right, you don't anticipate that the 60000 would have the necessary justice done to it . . .
EdKing
It would make a nice model, and you could paint it purple!
3rd Rail / Sunset Models: Baldwin Demonstrator #60000. In Black or Purple.
Bob Heil, as you know is my East Coast Rep and pushes me (guides me) to do all sorts of interesting projects. When he told me he personally remembers standing near this engine when it was painted PURPLE, I thought, "This has to be done."
So what do you guys think of a fully detailed brass BLW #60000 for O Scale, 2R or 3R, Anniversary Series?
As far as complicated 3 Cylinder mechanisms... It's something we have experience with. i.e. SP SP-1 4-10-2, UP 2-10-4.
Purple-steam-o scale- am I dreaming???
Sure, why not.
I can see this running with purple F units as a helper.
What color of purple? ACL or other? Any color photos exist?
Leon
@sdmann posted:3rd Rail / Sunset Models: Baldwin Demonstrator #60000. In Black or Purple.
Bob Heil, as you know is my East Coast Rep and pushes me (guides me) to do all sorts of interesting projects. When he told me he personally remembers standing near this engine when it was painted PURPLE, I thought, "This has to be done."
So what do you guys think of a fully detailed brass BLW #60000 for O Scale, 2R or 3R, Anniversary Series?
As far as complicated 3 Cylinder mechanisms... It's something we have experience with. i.e. SP SP-1 4-10-2, UP 2-10-4.
Scott,
I'm sure that you mean the UP 4-12-2, which you produced twice (the UP never had any 2-10-4 locomotives anyway).
I would recommend not doing it - it's too much of an odd-ball, that didn't serve on a railroad for any appreciable time. There are so many more conventional steam locomotives crying for production! Very few people have any emotional investment in it.
@sdmann posted:3rd Rail / Sunset Models: Baldwin Demonstrator #60000. In Black or Purple.
Bob Heil, as you know is my East Coast Rep and pushes me (guides me) to do all sorts of interesting projects. When he told me he personally remembers standing near this engine when it was painted PURPLE, I thought, "This has to be done."
So what do you guys think of a fully detailed brass BLW #60000 for O Scale, 2R or 3R, Anniversary Series?
As far as complicated 3 Cylinder mechanisms... It's something we have experience with. i.e. SP SP-1 4-10-2, UP 2-10-4.
I'm in for one!
O scale steam demonstrators are a rarity! I love my Timken 4 Aces though!
@mark s posted:I would recommend not doing it - it's too much of an odd-ball, that didn't serve on a railroad for any appreciable time. There are so many more conventional steam locomotives crying for production! Very few people have any emotional investment in it.
Such as.....?
This is a locomotive that still exists that you can visit today in The Franklin Institute in Philadelphia. As far as being unusual Sunset did the PRR S1 and S2 which did not last very long on the PRR and there was one of each.
Really? You stood next to it when it was purple? And you remember it? I am truly impressed! I am almost 80, and it had been in the museum for 15 years before I was born.
There is another 60000 thread going right now - on the HONG Z forum.
Scott - if you do this thing, shoot me an e-mail before you finalize the boiler taper. It is asymmetrical, like a lot of the big Baldwins of the era. My boiler was finished and purple before I realized the conical section was straight on the bottom.
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