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I run a Lionel Hogwarts Express under the Christmas tree.., plus my fleet of engines on my basement layout . Tried using the all the regular brands with different aromas.  They all work good[ temporally (smell amd smoke) but afterwards there is a lingering stink that fills the room. My research lists Ethleyne Glycol  or white mineral oil as common bases for what is being sold. plus the scent adds.

I was wondering if Fog Works Extreme High Density water based, oderless Fog Machine fluid would work ? a) without damaging the liquid smoke unit in the engine b) would make the desired temporary smoke effect c) leave no lasting odor in the room afterwards? d) reasonable price?

We go to professional indoor plays monthly where alot of this stuff is used onstage in high volume output without affecting you eyes or nasal passages. My son also uses this stuff for Halloween displays in his front yard with professional fogging machines and can literally flood the grass and the street with great effect.

The market is ripe for this type of product I think..         

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@KOOLjock1 posted:

Boy... here's a question I always wanted to see asked on this forum!  Why hasn't anyone asked before?

Jon

It has. Here too. And here or here. Informative links here too. Possibly also here.

I think Jon forgot to add the "SARCASM EMOJI!"

But the OP is relatively new to the forum so he may have not seen the posts from the past.

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Honestly when it comes to smoke there’s never truly been a sent-less fluid. I know of some that have used mineral oil can’t say what the smell was. I think the main issue is once it starts to stink it won’t matter what you put in it always stinks. The first thing I would try is the mega-steam eliminator, it’s made to take out that bad smell. I’ve used it with decent results. If that brings no joy I think the next step is to open it up replace batting check/ clean the element and go from there.

@ADCX Rob posted:

Just go with the MegaSteam "NADA" for odorless.

Rob , since the smoke fluid " NADA "  does require the heating of the fluid to make the " smoke "  wouldn't there still be a sort of stale odor left over in different surfaces . 🤔

I only ask because I think there is a certain odor that seems to linger in adjacent rooms that doesn't reflect the original scent but more like maybe there was a stale cigar scent.😕

  I don't run a lot of smoke .  I most often use lemon scent or Christmas . I will only run the smoke on " minimum "  most of the time and my wife finds the scents pleasant.   The only time I get complaints come when I use "Maximum ".  It does seem to change the scent to a more burning ( for lack of a better description ) odor.

Fog machines generally use either mineral oil or a combination of water and propylene glycol.  Ethylene glycol isn't used because it is toxic while propylene is commonly used in flavors.

Train liquid smoke material is generally a very light grade of mineral oil, sometimes very light.  Different brands use different blends.  Since I have access to the materials, I make my own.  I make it dual purpose so that I can also use it as lubricating oil.   I strongly recommend that you use commercial fluids meant for this purpose and not try to use something not designed as a smoke fluid for trains.

Well...with the focus of this discussion being on the fluid itself, let's not forget that there's a lot of people who don't use it (the smoke feature) at all, due to the residual film it leaves on the track. So one could conclude that film also gets on any (and perhaps all) surrounding surfaces... like carpet, furniture,etc. No wonder there may be a lingering odor... how does one go about removing that?  🤔

Mark in (wet) Oregon 🎄

@Strummer posted:

Well...with the focus of this discussion being on the fluid itself, let's not forget that there's a lot of people who don't use it (the smoke feature) at all, due to the residual film it leaves on the track. So one  conclude that film also gets on any (and perhaps all) surrounding surfaces... like carpet, furniture,etc. No wonder there may be a lingering odor... how does one go about removing that?  🤔

Mark in (wet) Oregon 🎄

Don't know how to get the smoke residue out of carpet , furniture,etc. Mark.🤔

   I seriously doubt that Fabreeze is going to be a long term solution.      Maybe have those people who clean up after a fire would help.    Maybe having an understanding wife   and family who don't mind one's pipe or cigar's lingering odors .

I think to totally control the residue, the room should not be connected to the home ......OR......... there should be an airlock at the entrance to the living quarters  , a Hazmat suit and a shower and fresh clothes.........OR........one heck of a ventilation fan........which needs a fresh air source like an open window......which would not be fun in the winter here in central Pa.

I envy all you guys who live near a Lionel dealer and you can just go over and buy 2 ounces of smoke fluid. But I live in a large metropolitan area with four Walgreen drugstores near me and no Lionel dealer anywhere. Last year I bought through mail order my first new Lionel steam engines since 1952. The new engines cost hundreds of dollars each and they came with strange, large, plastic syringes but no smoke fluid! How do I use that silly looking syringe? If I knew what to put in the smoke unit, I could go to any of many local drugstores and get the ingredients. I am suspicious, what are my grandchildren inhaling? Why is this such a secret? Are people getting rich from this $10 bottle? I bought the smoke fluid, paid shipping costs again, and waited weeks to see smoke for the first time.


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@Strummer posted:

Well...with the focus of this discussion being on the fluid itself, let's not forget that there's a lot of people who don't use it (the smoke feature) at all, due to the residual film it leaves on the track. So one could conclude that film also gets on any (and perhaps all) surrounding surfaces... like carpet, furniture,etc. No wonder there may be a lingering odor... how does one go about removing that?  🤔

Mark in (wet) Oregon 🎄

Ask one of the fellows who promised his better half he would stop the other kind of smoking.

What, me worry?

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