Why cancel? Was it taking too long?
Matt Makens posted:Well, I've already got the Loksound decoders for them and a collection of speakers to see which ones will work the best. This may be the most thought out and planned decoder install ever
I highly recommend these speakers if not in your collection yet:
http://www.tb-speaker.com/products/t1-1925s
You can get them from Parts Express. There's also a larger 1931 model with a bit more low end that might just fit. But I find even the 1925 astonishingly realistic for it's size over the speakers commonly found in the DCC marketplace. 
Well Erik updated his website in the "General News" section and has stated that if you want to get on the boat and order some of these you have until May 31st.
The photos of his pilot samples really have put a lot of credibility behind this project and I'm happy to see this project take off and I'll be even happier to see the next project take shape. We need more manufacturers who are taking this hobby to the next level
nikkormat posted:Was there any mention of the proposed Norfolk Southern '' Heritage'' locomotives?
Well, the Erie Lackawanna SD45-2 NS heritage unit is part of this run.
And apparently still can be ordered up thru May 31, not all models being built are still open for ordering according to the latest web site posting for MMW, any word at the show when Key is bringing in their cab forwards and CZ cars ? they had also listed SD40-2s for future production.
hibar posted:And apparently still can be ordered up thru May 31, not all models being built are still open for ordering according to the latest web site posting for MMW, any word at the show when Key is bringing in their cab forwards and CZ cars ? they had also listed SD40-2s for future production.
All the Key cab forwards are in the country and either being inspected by Gary Schrader or being shipped to customers. The existing builder for the CZ cars was not up to the task so they have been replaced with the builder who builds all Key's diesels and production is expected to begin within a month and be complete by the end of the year.
Interesting did Key actually have a painted cab forward on display, damage free packing for this model for shipping was a concern when I spoke to Dave at a show several years ago.
hibar posted:Interesting did Key actually have a painted cab forward on display,
Yes, I saw it.
damage free packing for this model for shipping was a concern when I spoke to Dave at a show several years ago.
Two of them. AC7s I think he said, they all look the same to me.
hibar posted:And apparently still can be ordered up thru May 31, not all models being built are still open for ordering according to the latest web site posting for MMW, any word at the show when Key is bringing in their cab forwards and CZ cars ? they had also listed SD40-2s for future production.
I find it interesting that both Key and MMW are planning on offering SD40-2s when 3rd Rail can't get enough reservations for their offering.
RDUNNIII, now that the sleepers are shipping, when will GGD reveal their next offerings for heavyweights?
Erik has the NS Heritage units on his site like 3rd or 4th in line and the had the flyer on his table at the show. He's definitely planning on building these
ecd15 posted:hibar posted:And apparently still can be ordered up thru May 31, not all models being built are still open for ordering according to the latest web site posting for MMW, any word at the show when Key is bringing in their cab forwards and CZ cars ? they had also listed SD40-2s for future production.
I find it interesting that both Key and MMW are planning on offering SD40-2s when 3rd Rail can't get enough reservations for their offering.
Key has had the SD40-2 on their list for quite a while now, when first announced some of their dealers were estimating 2K+ pricing since Sunsets announcement for a much lower cost plastic version and now MMW testing the waters it remains to be seen who is in and who is out. Bear in mind Sunset needs reservations to support a 400 unit production run, which most likely they will achieve in time . MMW will look for reservation numbers in the fall and they are quoting 2800 initially. Brass and plastic are 2 very different markets today, with the trend to very high detail levels in the hand built brass market, obviously if price is not an issue I can not see Key doing this model if MMW gets the necessary reservations due to Erics high end drive. In any case the brass markets today are all small run to a limited clientele. JMO
I'm just learning g about this brass stuff and the impression I'm getting is that the guys that would buy an MMW model or a Key model probably wouldn't buy a model from 3rd Rail and Vice versa. That's kind of the felling I get but I could be wrong on that.
Different ball park as they say in North America, my moneys on MWMW
Is it even the same sport?
hibar posted:Interesting did Key actually have a painted cab forward on display, damage free packing for this model for shipping was a concern when I spoke to Dave at a show several years ago.
Yup. Judging from the size of box being used to ship back the box for the model, it's hard to see how it could be damaged - you could have put a small family in the box.
How'd this turn into a Key discussion?
For a 7K + model a large expensive shipping container is a given.
I think Kohs has a cab forward on his list of models to do. Its like 3rd in line after the Big Boy and the Y2B
hibar posted:For a 7K + model a large expensive shipping container is a given.
Why do you think it is a $7K + model? The price was $5.6K for non DCC and $5.9K for DCC, and the DCCs are all sold out.
Matt Makens posted:I think Kohs has a cab forward on his list of models to do. Its like 3rd in line after the Big Boy and the Y2B
What, you tryin' to turn it into a Koh's discussion now? At least it is talking about brass. At least try and keep it to brass diesels and leave the steam for another thread, if you don't mind.
Get a hair cut train hippy!!! Don't you have to bother Scott about all the problems with his models? Maybe I do want to turn it into a Kohs discussion, Im not the one who brought up Key or steam
And as usual you doing an inadequate job of taking it back where it belongs.
Now boys, keep it civil...
Better put the sarcasm lock on, people might think we are serious. And John, what would you know about trains I dont event think you know how to get em out of the box
train hippy
rdunniii posted:hibar posted:For a 7K + model a large expensive shipping container is a given.
Why do you think it is a $7K + model? The price was $5.6K for non DCC and $5.9K for DCC, and the DCCs are all sold out.
Last year the 7K number was being mentioned on some web forums, Key has rarely ever posted prices on their web site especially for proposed new projects and at shows refers inquiries to dealers for pricing, you have to check the few major brass dealers for future models and "estimated" pricing. Your posting is the first "hard numbers" I have seen on these models.JMO
Okay, Matt, that's it. I'm telling dad...
Hes just gonna tell ya them trains dont work in the box too
mwb posted:train hippy
He's probably quoting this guy:
A character in the game Team Fortress 2, one of whose catchphrases is "Get a haircut, hippie!"
/offtopic
---PCJ
Well its a good thing nobody wore their sensitive pants in here today. I all seriousness, I talked with Erik in depth at his shop on Friday especially about the SD40-2 project. He already has almost enough reservations to make that one go and by the time he gets the drawings to the builder he should have enough that it will be a go. I think he hopes to have pilot samples at the 2018 March Meet. I am on the hook for one regular and one extra crispy version as the extra crispy or Premium model will have all opening doors and a full blown prime mover inside. It should be beautiful, but I'm skeptical I will be able to get a sound decoder inside the darn thing cuz it'll be tight. It seems like a lot of people are betting on Erik and MMW to get this SD40-2 project done and like I said before, the pilot samples really gave him a boat load of credibility. I wasn't a naysayer by any means but I had my doubts about a new guy in the market being able to pull it off. All the current models are quite nice and very detailed but none of them could get me to bite on the 2 rail market. I wasn't a 2 railer until I got on this project but I love the SD45 and the SD40-2 and couldn't resist the opportunity to buy what I think will be the premier diesels made. I'm positive these will be the yard stick by which all future brass diesels will be measured.
Matt Makens posted:He is and he just told me he might have one you can get if you email him
I tried to E-mail to get one but I could not get it to go using the address on the web site...Help
Moby, shoot me an email and I will send you his email address. My email is in my profile
I'm with Matt on the next project. He said he thinks there will also be sufficient SD39s reserved to make those happen too. Woo Hoo!!! Only been waiting 40 years for those. The SDL39 is not fairing likewise as it is so different that it would require 20-25 reservations and that is not happening.
That sd40-2 premium version is going to be an amazing work of art
rdunniii posted:hibar posted:For a 7K + model a large expensive shipping container is a given.
Why do you think it is a $7K + model? The price was $5.6K for non DCC and $5.9K for DCC, and the DCCs are all sold out.
Interesting Brass Trains lists 3 Key Cab Forwards brand new for $7050.00 each, I am assuming that was Keys suggested "retail price" and the number Key took their "dealer discount" off, understandably if a dealer bought 3 for inventory he would be looking to maximize his markup. As the remaining importers continue to one up each other on the ultimate model, production will continue to trend down and prices will rise [could reach Mr Sofue levels in time] JMO
I don't understand why it's so much money and why the put two decoders in it. My opinion is Tsunsmi steam sounds are distinctly synthetic and really all the great sounding. I have a preference towards the LokSound decoders myself but am also investigating the Zimo decoders and I will try those out soon. Kohs has his cab forward on the list to do and while the key model is beautiful I think the Kohs model will out do that one on several levels. Including price according to BrassTrains.com
Having compared diesel models st the show, Key quality and detail doesn't compare to even OMI which is better in my opinion. What Erik is doing for diesels with his models will set a whole new standard for detail and drive which will be hard to beat
