Budd Slumbercoach Second Run Interest?

I would be in for B&O & NP variants.  Thoughts?  @sdmann ?

I'd be in for Amtrak

One, perhaps two Amtrak

@vash44 posted:

Given the 2nd run of the Hiawatha, I'd like to gauge if there is enough common interest to have Scott possibly re-run the Budd Slumbercoaches. 

B&O, CB&Q, NYC, MP, NP, AMTRAK we offered previously. I would be game for a few CB&Q, an Amtrak and an MP.

If you run MP consists, be aware a B&O Slumbercoach ran on the MP as a thru sleeper. 
TrainBub

I'd be in for a B&O Slumbercoach.

I would add a B&O and NYC please. 

I’d also definitely be in for CB&Q, maybe a couple.

would you be interested in budd cars amtrack  8868-8869-8870

Appears to be some interest in a 2nd run.  Wonder if adding them to the B&O Capitol run would be possible?

@vash44 posted:

Given the 2nd run of the Hiawatha, I'd like to gauge if there is enough common interest to have Scott possibly re-run the Budd Slumbercoaches. 

B&O, CB&Q, NYC, MP, NP, AMTRAK we offered previously. I would be game for a few CB&Q, an Amtrak and an MP.

Just an fyi, start budgeting. The latest Amtrak Amfleet and Viewliners are reportely being priced around $300.00/ car due to Aluminum bodies and the ball bearing wheels.

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Just an fyi, start budgeting. The latest Amtrak Amfleet and Viewliners are reportely being priced around $300.00/ car due to Aluminum bodies and the ball bearing wheels.

Well, I have to budget to afford Scott’s offerings. I’ve decided they are quite nice - and much better than other offerings. If my memory is correct, there was some disappointment (Belly-aching) that the Amfleet was to be done in plastic. So Scott switched to aluminum and got a boost in reservations. Yep. They are more expensive. Be careful what you wish for !!!  
TrainBub

I have the Amtrak Phase I version from the first run. 

I would be interested in a Phase III version in a second run if offered.  I am looking to start my heritage fleet trains, especially with Amfleet cars finally in design and E60's in pre-order stage.

I’m surprised no one has posted an example so I add one. These are really nice models. Email Scott and ask him to do run #2 if you want to see these again. It won’t happen if you don’t speak up !!!  I’ll be in for a CB&Q for my third.

A partial shot of mine.

@GG1 4877 posted:

A partial shot of mine.

That’s really quite nice. Thanks for the post !
Trsinbub

In my Amtrak world, the Southwest Limited got E8s and a Slumbercoach.  The Slumbercoach is just rear of the K-line Single level diner for the sleeping car passengers.  More fun to see the car in a consist!

And finally the full car for anyone interested in the phase I Amtrak version.

Great looking cars.  Thanks for the photos and video.

These are next to impossible to find in the secondary market.

Talk about impossible to find!!!!!

oh wait a minute....

That's the version I'm interested in!  Can't bring myself to repaint my phase I version though!  It goes so well with the rest of my Phase I Amtrak.

Oh don’t worry... I have a phase I too.  This was a B&O Dreamland.... still is, just in phase III

i painted the interior that hideous shade of pastel pink too. 

@TrainBub posted:

If you run MP consists, be aware a B&O Slumbercoach ran on the MP as a thru sleeper. 
TrainBub

I did not know that. I appreciate you sharing that info! 

Yes for sure. I have an amtrak, a NYC & a B&O from run 1. I would be in for a Amtrak phase III, a MP & a Penn Central.

@Boilermaker1 posted:

Talk about impossible to find!!!!!

oh wait a minute....

 

Ok! You now sold me on a phase III!

The reason these are hard to find is because there weren't a lot made and should a second run happen, I suspect there won't be a lot of those made either.  Inventory is not a good thing when you see the size of Scott's "warehouse"

Sounds like there are quite a few interested in a 2nd run.  Hopefully this will happen soon...but not too soon 

@GG1 4877 posted:

The reason these are hard to find is because there weren't a lot made and should a second run happen, I suspect there won't be a lot of those made either.  Inventory is not a good thing when you see the size of Scott's "warehouse"

I’m guessing this would qualify as one of those “short runs”.  I view this as an opportunity for Scott to tack a 2nd Run of Slumbercoach onto another larger run of passenger sets to reach a more “commercially viable” total run number.  Got to get it offered up with a plan where it could fit into a production run.  Be nice to see some movement on this as the reservation window thru to delivery can be brutally slow.

Scott never seems to have many “leftovers” from any of his runs. With that in mind, I bet his “warehouse” is not much larger than a good sized walk in closet. 🤣🤣🤣

Yes!  Phase 3 and more phase 1 Amtrak.

@GG1 4877 posted:

The reason these are hard to find is because there weren't a lot made and should a second run happen, I suspect there won't be a lot of those made either.  Inventory is not a good thing when you see the size of Scott's "warehouse"

Not to mention the taxes if he carries over inventory for the following years!

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Yes for sure. I have an amtrak, a NYC & a B&O from run 1. I would be in for a Amtrak phase III, a MP & a Penn Central.

Penn Central, great idea.  Definitely the phase III  Amtrak.  

https://youtu.be/xbVol59LRrk

I’m a big fan of my NYC’s! As with anything in a blue box with yellow lettering, absolute top quality! Im in for a NP and a MP Slumbercoach when the 2nd run happens. 

I prefered the Sumbercoach over a roomette for one reason:  you did not hae to tear up the bed to ge to the toilet!

@TrainBub posted:

I’m surprised no one has posted an example so I add one. These are really nice models. Email Scott and ask him to do run #2 if you want to see these again. It won’t happen if you don’t speak up !!!  I’ll be in for a CB&Q for my third.

MP not in some sort of blue?  Were they leased from Budd or another railroad?

And the MP/B&O run through sleepers ran later than most.

@Dominic Mazoch posted:

MP not in some sort of blue?  Were they leased from Budd or another railroad?

And the MP/B&O run through sleepers ran later than most.

All the Budd Slumbercoachs were stainless steel.  The MP only owned one.

@vash44 posted:

 

B&O, CB&Q, NYC, MP, NP, AMTRAK we offered previously.

Those were the only roads that owned Slumbercoaches.  The NYC's were rebuilds of roomette sleepers and were labeled "Sleepercoaches" due to the NYC ceasing Pullman staffed cars.

Rusty

Scott and I discussed the Budd Slumbercoach yesterday. Here is what I suggest; if you are committed to purchasing one or more e-mail / call Scott and tell him so (e-mail is much better).  My opinion is that they would be done with the B&O Capitol Limited since that will have the Budd dome car and the Budd 16 and 4 sleepers. It is important to do the Budd car extrusions at the same time. Plus it would help accelerate the Capitol Limited in the list of projects.

Trust me, this is imperative for you to do if you want to see the Budd Slumbercoach made again.

R. Heil - Sunset Models / 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot

@rheil posted:

Scott and I discussed the Budd Slumbercoach yesterday. Here is what I suggest; if you are committed to purchasing one or more e-mail / call Scott and tell him so (e-mail is much better).  My opinion is that they would be done with the B&O Capitol Limited since that will have the Budd dome car and the Budd 16 and 4 sleepers. It is important to do the Budd car extrusions at the same time. Plus it would help accelerate the Capitol Limited in the list of projects.

Trust me, this is imperative for you to do if you want to see the Budd Slumbercoach made again.

R. Heil - Sunset Models / 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot

 

Thanks, just emailed him.

I emailed Scott too and suggested to add Penn Central, Amtrak phase III, and Burlington Northern. 

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I emailed Scott too and suggested to add Penn Central, Amtrak phase III, and Burlington Northern. 

Burlington Northern would be a great option too! (if possible) 

Scott emailed me back, It’s gonna happen! And there will be new road names added!

OK, I have the Slumber Coaches Up on the GGD web site. Since we have to re-tool this car and we only expect 100 - 150 reservations, they cost a little more. The tools were lost right after the first run when the factory changed hands and destroyed all our Aluminum car tools. But that's another story.

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...rvation.html#SLUMBER

This Slumbercoach request/re- run petition thread has been Absolutely fascinating to follow. It Began in the Milwaukee Road run#2 thread. I added my comment that it won’t get any traction there as Those interested in Slumbercoach run 2 won’t ever see that. I said needs own thread. The new thread was started ONLY one week ago and built some considerable momentum. WOW !!! One week after the thread started, Scott responds to our voices !!!!!!  Slumbercoaches now up for reservations - and an expanded choice list.
AWSOME !!!!

Lets hope adding Run to B&O offering helps bring both projects to fruition in a more expeditious fashion.  Be happy for a second chance  

 OK !!! So now everyone knows the old expression —— “talks cheap”........ let’s place those reservations And ensure this project doesn’t stall !!!!!

Respectfully - TrainBub

@TrainBub posted:

This Slumbercoach request/re- run petition thread has been Absolutely fascinating to follow. It Began in the Milwaukee Road run#2 thread. I added my comment that it won’t get any traction there as Those interested in Slumbercoach run 2 won’t ever see that. I said needs own thread. The new thread was started ONLY one week ago and built some considerable momentum. WOW !!! One week after the thread started, Scott responds to our voices !!!!!!  Slumbercoaches now up for reservations - and an expanded choice list.
AWSOME !!!!

Lets hope adding Run to B&O offering helps bring both projects to fruition in a more expeditious fashion.  Be happy for a second chance  

 OK !!! So now everyone knows the old expression —— “talks cheap”........ let’s place those reservations And ensure this project doesn’t stall !!!!!

Respectfully - TrainBub

I appreciate your suggestion in the MR thread to add a unique one to the Slumbercoach. I greatly appreciate Scott giving the project another run for those of us that have missed out.

You said it best, talk is cheap. I order my first 5 (2 BN, 2 CB&Q and 1 MP). Likely will add more once I hear from Scott. Stoked for this project! 

@sdmann posted:

OK, I have the Slumber Coaches Up on the GGD web site. Since we have to re-tool this car and we only expect 100 - 150 reservations, they cost a little more. The tools were lost right after the first run when the factory changed hands and destroyed all our Aluminum car tools. But that's another story.

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...rvation.html#SLUMBER

Thanks for listening Scott. My orders are in.

Thanks Scott, ordered 3 cars.  

@sdmann posted:

OK, I have the Slumber Coaches Up on the GGD web site. Since we have to re-tool this car and we only expect 100 - 150 reservations, they cost a little more. The tools were lost right after the first run when the factory changed hands and destroyed all our Aluminum car tools. But that's another story.

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...rvation.html#SLUMBER

Oh Scott...  Please tell us the story! We Love hearing about your stories! Especially at Bedtime! 

I’ve added my order.
Scott - Thanks for listening and being SO responsive !!!!!!  AWSOME!!!!

TrainBub

@vash44 posted:

Given the 2nd run of the Hiawatha, I'd like to gauge if there is enough common interest to have Scott possibly re-run the Budd Slumbercoaches. 

B&O, CB&Q, NYC, MP, NP, AMTRAK we offered previously. I would be game for a few CB&Q, an Amtrak and an MP.

Thanks for being the first to “pipe up” to trigger this 2nd run of Slumbercoaches. Sometimes our “one off” wishes come true. This one caught A LOT of people’s attention - it caught fire. So Cool !!!!!!      
We all WIN.

TrainBub

MP and T&P fans. Look for my new thread in the Forum. Hope some of you will join in !!!!!!!
Thanks

TrainBub

Just talked to Scott and requested that Amtrak Phase III be added to the order form.  He already got permission from Amtrak to do so.  I'll be ordering at least one now.

@GG1 4877 posted:

Just talked to Scott and requested that Amtrak Phase III be added to the order form.  He already got permission from Amtrak to do so.  I'll be ordering at least one now.

I swore phase III was on there yesterday when I ordered a penn central and an Amtrak, but the link they pops up with your name and what I ordered only had a red 1 next to penn central 

Awesome! Just placed a reservation -- first train purchase in a year. Thanks, Scott!

@TrainBub posted:

MP and T&P fans. Look for my new thread in the Forum. Hope some of you will join in !!!!!!!
Thanks

TrainBub

New thread is for GGD Missouri Pacific EAGLE !!!! 
Colorado EAGLE, Texas EAGLE / MP and T&P

Info on the Slumber Coach - where it could fit into the production schedule has been “MIA”. Is there still linkage to the B&O Capital Limited run - Budd extrusions ?
If that’s so, where does the C. Ltd look like in the production scenario ?  22 or 23 ???

There aren't enough orders on the Slumbercoach to move it forward yet.  It will happen eventually.  I have my Phase III Amtrak on on order.  I need to get Scott a good photo as he is showing the first run in Phase I which I already have. 

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Oh Scott...  Please tell us the story! We Love hearing about your stories! Especially at Bedtime!

It is not a good story.  Perhaps when Scott writes his book after retirement.  Two words - Dragon Lady.

@GG1 4877 posted:

It is not a good story.  Perhaps when Scott writes his book after retirement.  Two words - Dragon Lady.

😮😳😵‍💫

@GG1 4877 posted:

There aren't enough orders on the Slumbercoach to move it forward yet.  It will happen eventually.  I have my Phase III Amtrak on on order.  I need to get Scott a good photo as he is showing the first run in Phase I which I already have.

He needs pix for Penn Cent and Burl Northern too !!! 😑
If you only give quick look at pix, you don’t see those mentioned !!! 😳

@GG1 4877 posted:

I have the Amtrak Phase I version from the first run.

I would be interested in a Phase III version in a second run if offered.  I am looking to start my heritage fleet trains, especially with Amfleet cars finally in design and E60's in pre-order stage.

Perhaps phase I and III versions are possible this time because of the uptick interest in Amtrak passenger cars.

@TrainBub posted:

Perhaps phase I and III versions are possible this time because of the uptick interest in Amtrak passenger cars.

That's a great thought! It would be neat to see all phases. May boost numbers enough to make the run possible.

FYI:  The late great Texan, Miss Bobbye Hall (owner of Hall's Hobby House in Dallas and brass imports under Hallmark Models), was known throughout the hobby as The Dragon Lady.

@vash44 posted:

That's a great thought! It would be neat to see all phases. May boost numbers enough to make the run possible.

Sure wouldn’t hurt. I’m assuming just some paint design diffs.

@vash44 posted:

I did not know that. I appreciate you sharing that info!

Specific named cars were assigned to / ran on the B&O Capital Ltd and National Ltd. Those on the NL were transferred at St. Louis Union Station onto the MP for a continued journey to Texas on the EAGLE. The MP car journeyed east on the NL.

Got 100 reservations, so this is a good add on to the next, new car production. Probably late this year.

@sdmann posted:

Got 100 reservations, so this is a good add on to the next, new car production. Probably late this year.

It would be nice if the B&O reservations could be split into two pieces. One for Named cars that ran on the Capital Ltd (which you are offering) and a second that ran on the National Ltd that transferred cars to and ran on the MP EAGLE (which you are also offering). Having people be aware of this split should bring in some more B&O reservations. 😬🙂😜. IMHO of course.
Cheers !!! 😃

@Trinity River Bottoms Boomer posted:

FYI:  The late great Texan, Miss Bobbye Hall (owner of Hall's Hobby House in Dallas and brass imports under Hallmark Models), was known throughout the hobby as The Dragon Lady.

Dragon Lady is generally a term for a woman who is quite cranky and mean spirited. Was this the case with Bobbye?

Any word if this second run of Slumbercoaches will come before or after Superliner 1's?

Perhapse mixed in with Amfleet1/viewliner second run?

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Any word if this second run of Slumbercoaches will come before or after Superliner 1's?

Perhapse mixed in with Amfleet1/viewliner second run?

I See/hear nothing about the Slumbercoaches. They seem kind of orphaned. Maybe the “numbers” needed to do are still lacking.  My non-business experience might imagine these should be tacked onto the next aluminum car manufacturing run - perhaps the “Olympian?”  What says Scott ?

Orders are a little thin at this time.  Please order some more. 

@GG1 4877 posted:

Orders are a little thin at this time.  Please order some more. 

GGD might snag some more reservations if you can put up pictures of Penn Central and Burlington Northern - and Amtrak - plus Offer phase 1 and 3. Pictures Will grab attention !!! The tiny words are difficult to see if a potential buyer is giving a Quick Glance. I think it’s worth the effort. Nothing to lose and something to gain.    IMO of course.  
Cheers

Ok folks. Let’s see if I can stir the pot a bit on this offering. Anyone else besides me want to see this offering Sooner then  
later ?????  Join me and email Scott - let’s see if we can get this moving by tacking it onto another offering that’s also short of reservations. And Let’s see if we can get Amtrak phase 1 AND 3 offered. A few more reservations always helps.  😜
Cheers 😉

While I don't need another Phase I Amtrak Slumbercoach, I might be convinced to add a second Phase III one to my order.   It is the one sleeping car I rode in the most in the 1980's.

I might also be convinced to order one in Penn Central .....   I don't remember - is that on the list?

@GG1 4877 posted:

While I don't need another Phase I Amtrak Slumbercoach, I might be convinced to add a second Phase III one to my order.   It is the one sleeping car I rode in the most in the 1980's.

I might also be convinced to order one in Penn Central .....   I don't remember - is that on the list?

Yes - but No pix for Penn Cent or BN. 🫢☹️😵‍💫😳

Great news, the factory needs to do the Slumber Coaches NOW. We will be closing reservations July 10th and they should be done and here by September, 2023.

I'm sorry, we don't have time to change any of liveries. They will be the same roads and car numbers as before.

Regards,

Scott Mann

@sdmann posted:

Great news, the factory needs to do the Slumber Coaches NOW. We will be closing reservations July 10th and they should be done and here by September, 2023.

I'm sorry, we don't have time to change any of liveries. They will be the same roads and car numbers as before.

Regards,

Scott Mann

This is wonderful news! Have been able to find some of these cars in the last couple of years. They are unique and hard to find, if you are on the fence, grab your favorite road number NOW!

Here is the full list according to GGD's site. Most of my reservations center around CBQ and BN.

Anyone have a picture of the Penn Central Slumber Coach and Burlington Northern? Gotta get the artwork made for these.

Scott Mann

@sdmann posted:

Anyone have a picture of the Penn Central Slumber Coach and Burlington Northern? Gotta get the artwork made for these.

Scott Mann

I emailed you pics of the BN

Received Burlingon Northern, THANK YOU.

Scott Mann

@TrainBub posted:

Ok folks. Let’s see if I can stir the pot a bit on this offering. Anyone else besides me want to see this offering Sooner then  
later ?????  Join me and email Scott - let’s see if we can get this moving by tacking it onto another offering that’s also short of reservations. And Let’s see if we can get Amtrak phase 1 AND 3 offered. A few more reservations always helps.  😜
Cheers 😉

Hmmmm. Looks like the stirred pot Quickly Came to a Boil !!!!!!! 😮😳😜😉  

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Great News Scott !!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

@GG1 4877 posted:

While I don't need another Phase I Amtrak Slumbercoach, I might be convinced to add a second Phase III one to my order.   It is the one sleeping car I rode in the most in the 1980's.

I might also be convinced to order one in Penn Central .....   I don't remember - is that on the list?

A pic of the PC version seems to be pretty scarce. I sure can’t find one. Perhaps they were around only Very Briefly ???? 🤔🤔

I can’t find the PC either. I know it would have a black roof, black trucks & undercarriage and Penn Central written on the letter boards. Im not sure if the PC worm logo was on the car. Anybody know more details? Car numbers etc……..?

PRR did not have Slumbercoaches, just the NYC.  Some of the NYC ones were rebuilt by the NYC from 22 roomette sleepers with 10 duplex and 16 single rooms.  These were referred to as "Sleepercoaches".  Most went to the PC while some ended up elsewhere prior to Amtrak.  They were Harbor series cars on the NYC, but were numbered in the 4200 series for PC.  NYC also sold several of their cars to NP in the mid 1960's so these didn't make it into PC.

Budd Sleepercoach

@GG1 4877 posted:

I will need to do some homework on that one.  PRR did not have Slumbercoaches, just the NYC.  They all went into service for PC, but the question is how many, if any got re-lettered or stenciled for PC prior to Amtrak.  It would have been a 4 year window, so it is likely some did.  Also, not all of NYC's Slumbercoaches were "true" Slumbercoaches.  Some were done with a Pullman Standard plan type and were two berths short of the standard Budd offering.

Great questions!

I Thought I found several PC Slumbercoach pix but upon looking more closely, they were 14-10s converted from 22 Roomettes. 😤  
Interesting but not Slumbercoach.

@TrainBub posted:

I Thought I found several PC Slumbercoach pix but upon looking more closely, they were 14-10s converted from 22 Roomettes. 😤  
Interesting but not Slumbercoach.

I just edited my post after doing some digging. 

@GG1 4877 posted:

PRR did not have Slumbercoaches, just the NYC.  Some of the NYC ones were rebuilt by the NYC from 22 roomette sleepers with 10 duplex and 16 single rooms.  These were referred to as "Sleepercoaches".  Most went to the PC while some ended up elsewhere prior to Amtrak.  They were Harbor series cars on the NYC, but were numbered in the 4200 series for PC.  NYC also sold several of their cars to NP in the mid 1960's so these didn't make it into PC.

Budd Sleepercoach

Wow! Interesting, that would explain why we can’t find photos of a PC slumbercoach. So the question is will the PC be cancelled or done based on the sleepercoach lettering & numbering?

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Wow! Interesting, that would explain why we can’t find photos of a PC slumbercoach. So the question is will the PC be cancelled or done based on the sleepercoach lettering & numbering?

Great question.  That is Scott's call. 

@GG1 4877 posted:

Great question.  That is Scott's call.

These would have Different window and interior configurations. Right now all cars are the same (an Easy Do) except the CB&Q has skirts.
Stay tuned !!!! 🤔

@sdmann

Are these aluminum cars painted silver or plated in nickel (or chrome) ?

What is the length of these cars ?

Will the window glazing be clear or blue-green tinted ?

Will the cars include passenger figures already installed ?

Will the CB&Q cars include:

4900 Silver Siesta

4901 Silver Slumber

4902 Silver Rest

4903 Silver Repose

?

The GGD sample photo of the CB&Q slumber coach looks good except for the following.

The PULLMAN sign by the vestibule should be in the same Zephyr-Gothic font as the Burlington letter-board & the Silver-Name board.

Thanks in advance !!!

CB&Q Bill

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Wow! Interesting, that would explain why we can’t find photos of a PC slumbercoach. So the question is will the PC be cancelled or done based on the sleepercoach lettering & numbering?

@vash44 posted:

PC ran car numbers 4202, 4200, 4204, 4205, 4206, 4207, 4208. Cars were part of the merger with NYC.

For BN, they ran cars under these names: Loch Tay, Loch Rannoch, Loch Arkaig, Loch Awe, Loch Sloy, Loch Leven, Lock Lomond, Loch Katrine, Silver Repose, Silver Rest, Silver Siesta, Loch Long, Loch Lochy.

The PC car numbers you mentioned are sleeper coaches based on a 22 roomette car, not slumbercoaches. See Jonathan’s post above.

PC Pictures (Links Below)

PC 4205 Sleepercoach - (ex-NYC 10815, nee-10377 South Haven Harbor) Budd Budd 14 Dupl SR - 10 DBR rblt. from 22 Rmt., in Amtrak service. (M. BERNERO)

PC 4206 Sleepercoach - (ex-NYC 10816, nee-10379) Budd Budd 14 Dupl SR - 10 DBR rblt. from 22 Rmt. (NORTH EAST RAILS)

@vash44 posted:

PC Pictures (Links Below)

PC 4205 Sleepercoach - (ex-NYC 10815, nee-10377 South Haven Harbor) Budd Budd 14 Dupl SR - 10 DBR rblt. from 22 Rmt., in Amtrak service. (M. BERNERO)

PC 4206 Sleepercoach - (ex-NYC 10816, nee-10379) Budd Budd 14 Dupl SR - 10 DBR rblt. from 22 Rmt. (NORTH EAST RAILS)

These are a different floor plan than what Scott is doing. Scott is doing a 24-8 slumber coach.

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

These are a different floor plan than what Scott is doing. Scott is doing a 24-8 slumber coach.

Would then NYC and Amtrak cars be incorrect also as they are the same as the PC cars pre and post PC?

@vash44 posted:

Would then NYC and Amtrak cars be incorrect also as they are the same as the PC cars pre and post PC?

Not at all. New York Central owned Slumbercoaches but sold them before the PC merger. all slumbercoaches were evebtuslly owned by Amtrak.

A sleeper coach which you have pictured above is not a slumbercoach. They are two entirely different cars.

@sdmann posted:

Great news, the factory needs to do the Slumber Coaches NOW. We will be closing reservations July 10th and they should be done and here by September, 2023.

I'm sorry, we don't have time to change any of liveries. They will be the same roads and car numbers as before.

Regards,

Scott Mann

OH NO! You mean I will have two of the same car #'s [2021] but with different Paint schemes?

Ooops, the Amtrak Slumber Coaches we are planning on making are Phase III.

Scott Mann

Once I have drawings done, I will post them on the web site.

Scott Mann

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Not at all. New York Central owned Slumbercoaches but sold them before the PC merger. all slumbercoaches were evebtuslly owned by Amtrak.

A sleeper coach which you have pictured above is not a slumbercoach. They are two entirely different cars.

Good to know! Just trying to track down the right lineage for the cars.