That is it! Thanks guys!
My newly arrived Gunthermann clockwork tram. It has flanged wheels that are gauge one, although presumably it is a floor toy. Based on the appearance of the "AW" in the logo, I presume it to be from the pre-1920 period (see this page on the Binns Road site: http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/gunthermann/index.html). It is highly detailed, including bow trolley on the roof and sign holders into which the owner can insert paper signs of their choice. Note the mustached tram driver at the controls! Any further information on the history of it would be welcome.
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John Smatlak posted:My newly arrived Gunthermann clockwork tram. It has flanged wheels that are gauge one, although presumably it is a floor toy. Based on the appearance of the "AW" in the logo, I presume it to be from the pre-1920 period (see this page on the Binns Road site: http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/gunthermann/index.html). It is highly detailed, including bow trolley on the roof and sign holders into which the owner can insert paper signs of their choice. Note the mustached tram driver at the controls! Any further information on the history of it would be welcome.
Very nice pick-up @John Smatlak !! You’re right- the detail is awesome!
Some of my finds/pick-ups/deliveries over. The last week and 1/2 or 2 weeks:
Lionel #127 Station. Partially repainted but for the price andhow it looks- good get!
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
Got this on eBay in a 3 piece lot labelled “prewar American Flyer”. Well, I recognized the crossing(below) as Ives and upon further research found this to be the Ives 201 station which someone took it upon themselves to insert a light bulb via the roof. That said, besides the 2 holes in the roof, the lithography on the sides and paint on the roof is in great shape. Was able to reconfigure the wiring so that the wires don’t come from the roof anymore but slyly go out the rear exit. Due to its size, 1/32 scale figures can match up well with it hence the larger benches.
The only Flyer piece from the aforementioned lot. It’s the No. 90 “American Flyer R.R.” Currently being used as a checkpoint to my “international zone” under U.N. & U.S. jurisdiction.
On the left, the last part of the “prewar AF lot” an Ives 216 crossing gate. Already have one(on the right) that I picked up at the Allentown First Frost. Those one is in much better condition, aka more original condition.
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And can’t forget these! Corgi soldiers from Nick Smith. Diecast- 1/50 scale- fit nicely with MTH soldiers and K-Line/O-line repoductions SWAT figures & Soldiers
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These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
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Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Did you get them off of eBay, If so I also bid on them then stopped. Maybe just do the basics and check for broken wires/shorts and such. Lot of luck and keep us posted. Maybe start a new thread on your repairs
RonH posted:Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Did you get them off of eBay, If so I also bid on them then stopped. Maybe just do the basics and check for broken wires/shorts and such. Lot of luck and keep us posted. Maybe start a new thread on your repairs
Hi Ron,
yes I did get them off of eBay. However, they were listed as 'Buy it now', so I didn't have to bid. Also, thanks for the advice. I'll take a look at the wires again, and see if there's anything I can do.
Lionel2056 posted:RonH posted:Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Did you get them off of eBay, If so I also bid on them then stopped. Maybe just do the basics and check for broken wires/shorts and such. Lot of luck and keep us posted. Maybe start a new thread on your repairs
Hi Ron,
yes I did get them off of eBay. However, they were listed as 'Buy it now', so I didn't have to bid. Also, thanks for the advice. I'll take a look at the wires again, and see if there's anything I can do.
Usually a buzzing sound comes from an e-unit as the magnet is holding the post. Does it have an e-unit? If so, the e-unit may be stuck. The smoke usually comes from the motor being energized but not moving. I usually spray the motor liberally with CRC contact cleaner and let it drain off. I spin the wheels and the motor during this process to loosen everything up. I wipe out any dirt I can get to. I clean the brush heads and armature plates with a pencil eraser. Then, I re-lubricate the motor and axels. I put light grease on the gears and a drop of light weight oil on the armature axel on both sides. If the e-unit is sticking, a similar process is required. Sometimes you need to remove the post from the magnetic coil to clean it thoroughly. Then it will require a few drops of light weight oil. While you are doing all of this, you should inspect the wires for rot and the wire connections. I had one that looked OK, but was shorting on the underside to the frame. Rot isn't always noticeable either. Move the wire and all the insulation crumbles away. They you need to re-wire one wire at a time. I bought cloth wrapped wire to keep the engine as original as possible.
Good luck!
George
Lionel2056 posted:These arrived yesterday, with matching coaches. Both are Ives 3241s with a 184 buffet and 186 observation. The green one does run, but needs a new light bulb, as I believe it shattered during shipping. The red one, unfortunately, doesn't move. It buzzes loudly and at one point, started smoking. I have no idea what was going on, but once I saw smoke, I stopped trying to run it. Anyone have an idea why its not moving and smoking? Would this be an easy repair?
Too hard to say if easy or hard with that little smidge of info. What exactly smokes is very relevent. Does it freewheel easily when pushed without power? If not, start there with oiling and mechanical jiggling until it does or you know the mechanicals are stopping it (not WD -40 except to flush crap out, it's not a "true" oil. Bad rust, may take penetrate oil [liquid wrench, pb blaster, etc. keep this off windings, paint etc)... then flush and use motor oil. Visually check wires. From there a cheapie multi meter (ohm, volt at least) is a great help (and learning tool at the same time), a test light-even home made with a wire and 12-18v volt bulb beats nothing. Start a thread and you'll get better, more personalized help from folks.
If it gets skipped over by (slim) chance, drop me an email at the address in my profile with a heads up. It's not rocket science, just something you aren't familiar with. ....yet 😉. The basics all pretty much the same for any open frame train motor. Nothing not learned in jr high electrical 101 class. You mostly only need the experts to wire things exactly as built (so easy there are multiple ways to wire things safely)...and that could be a last step.
I love those spoked wheels.
StevefromPA posted:
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
This has been shown in this thread before: Hornby No 2 signal cabin
Regards
Fred
sncf231e posted:StevefromPA posted:
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
This has been shown in this thread before: Hornby No 2 signal cabin
Regards
Fred
Yours seems to be missing the external stairs on the left side. Now here's a question: on the prototype, would the three buckets hanging on the wall in case of fire be filled with water? sand?
StevefromPA posted:My favorite litho’d logo is from a 14780 Baggage car(looks just like this https://www.historytoy.com/bub...ge-car-green-gauge-0 ) except there’s only a 14780 on one side, on the other side there’s a logo that has a KB over the BW. See pic below:
The double logo was used only a short time. You can find them only on Bub cars, never on Bing cars. After buying a few tools from Bing, Bub has started this logo end of 1932, but about the copyright, it was banned by a court in 1933.
Here a few other cars with them
Arne
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O Gauge Guy posted:sncf231e posted:StevefromPA posted:
Just got this yesterday from across the pond via eBay. Hornby by Meccano building. Didn’t know what it was at first, just thought it looked really neat and the price was reasonable. Upon arrival I noticed 3 fire tanks litho’d in the side, thus, it has now taken the place of my plasticville fire Station on the Lehigh Valley RR portion of my layout.
This has been shown in this thread before: Hornby No 2 signal cabin
Regards
Fred
Yours seems to be missing the external stairs on the left side. Now here's a question: on the prototype, would the three buckets hanging on the wall in case of fire be filled with water? sand?
The stairs ain't missing, this is a Hornby No1 Signal Cabin, and the stairs are just printed on the side. As for the buckets, probably dry sand, fire buckets for use with water were always hung upside down, empty, obviously, to prevent them rotting out. They'd always be next to a standpipe too.
Cheers, Mark
@bigmark75f What is a standpipe? (I'm thinking I know this but I'm brain pharting; isomnia)
Is that how they "hung" upside down.
It makes some sense being emptied of water. It's the hanging that has me baffled. I've not seen a bucket handle I could use to hang a bucket upside down due to pivot height above center of gravity and lips rolled to the outer.diameter vs i.d where a hook could catch if hung sideways.
Hey, water would penetrate the sand clear to the bottom if it rained heavy too.
Then again firehouse maintenance is no joke and buckets not as numerous anymore..? 😁
I installed a lot of those yellow exhaust tubes for removing vehicle fumes from stations during start up and motor temp. retention. I was in more firehouses for more hours a week than many of the individual firemen would be, except a few super devoted brass here and there.
I recently purchased a 4 car Blue Comet set & 5 car State Set for $800. I'll be keeping the Blue Comet set and the add on Maryland car from the state set and selling the other 4 cars. I now have all the State Cars and can make a full 14' long 6 car train! I'm excited to run it on the 4th.
Id post a pic of the Blue Comet set, but I don't have a locomotive for it currently. I think I'm going to find a black 392e at some point to pull it, I figure at Christmas time it'll look kinda like the Polar Express.
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Brian Liesberg posted:I recently purchased a 4 car Blue Comet set & 5 car State Set for $800. I'll be keeping the Blue Comet set and the add on Maryland car from the state set and selling the other 4 cars. I now have all the State Cars and can make a full 14' long 6 car train! I'm excited to run it on the 4th.
Id post a pic of the Blue Comet set, but I don't have a locomotive for it currently. I think I'm going to find a black 392e at some point to pull it, I figure at Christmas time it'll look kinda like the Polar Express.
Wow - great deal - under $100 per car for Lionel/MTH finest.
I think the picture below would meet the criteria for "making anything cool", the only issue is that I took the picture and submitted it to the editor of the Train Collectors Quarterly back in January so, even though it is the cover of the just published July issue of the Quarterly, it might not meet the criteria for "lately".
As the opening credits of many movies state "the following is based on true events" - the key word is based - I did take some artistic license.
The full story from Southern Railway Remembered is as follows:
"At the Alexandria Station the main line tracks separated into freight train tracks and passenger train tracks. The freight tracks, behind the northbound passenger waiting room, went into Potomac Yard. One morning a southbound train stopped right in front of the passenger sheds to wait for clearance. From the Alexandria station past Duke Street was a long curve, and incoming freight trains had a signal just before they got to the Duke Street Bridge. Because of the curve, northbound engineers had to depend on their firemen to
let them know whether or not the signal was clear.
An RF&P freight was coming in, and when it got close to the curve the engineer asked his fireman how the signal was. The fireman replied," I can't see the signal for that caboose is blocking my view." The engineer threw the brakes into emergency-too late! He rammed the Southern caboose and stood it on end. The flagman saw him coming in time to get out of the way. He took off down Duke Street. Someone stopped him and asked why he was in such a hurry. He pointed back toward the bridge; the caboose was on fire, and flames were going high above the bridge. Fortunately, the Southern conductor had already started walking to the front of his train when the train struck so no one was injured. There were some hard feelings however. The conductor had bought a couple of hams in Monroe and left them on the caboose. By the time he got back to what was left of the caboose, his hams were cooked well done".
The diorama
For the diorama I first did a trial set up to get a sense of camera angles and the distance I would need to be away from the setup in order to guarantee everything was in focus. I had originally thought about having a wrecking crane in the background but the camera angle was such that the boom from the crane was more of a distraction than a complementary element to the picture. I tried different station locations and tried to think of things that would decrease the blank space above the main picture elements. I settled on the water tower and played with different positions of the tower, the station and positions of the wreck – particularly the locomotive.
In the first attempts I thought too much of the engine was concealed. After a couple of tries I finally found a derailed position that permitted one to see most of the front of the engine even with the caboose hanging in the position it was in. I dismantled one gondola to scatter wheel sets and I removed the wheels and axles from one of the caboose trucks.
Once I had the basic setup, I spent some time arranging figures – I took a number of test shots with figures in various locations trying to make the figures the focal point. The main issue with the figures was that I wanted to have a hapless fireman trying to explain things to the division manager with the engineer just looking on. Since I couldn't find any figures to match my needs for the fireman and the division super I kitbashed them.
The fireman with his palms turn outward in supplication is a heavily modified Plasticville figure. In order to get the right pose I spent a lot of time running between my wife's full length mirror in the bedroom and my work bench. I would stand in front of the mirror, take the stance I wanted to create, stare at my reflection for awhile, run down to the basement, sculpt a little of the figure, add a little squadron green putty, etc. and repeat.
The division super is a heavily modified Bachmann figure. The figure didn't scale out to 1:48 so I had to do some serious surgery with respect to sectioning his arms, legs and torso to "cut him down to size."
The engineer and the older railroad employee looking at the wrecked engine are commercial cast figures I painted and the intrepid newshound with the camera is from the Arttista Gazette.
As for the artistic license - the actual wreck only involved the destruction of the caboose - there was no derailment of the train that hit it.
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Robert S. Butler posted:I think the picture below would meet the criteria for "making anything cool", the only issue is that I took the picture and submitted it to the editor of the Train Collectors Quarterly back in January so, even though it is the cover of the just published July issue of the Quarterly, it might not meet the criteria for "lately".
As the opening credits of many movies state "the following is based on true events" - the key word is based - I did take some artistic license.
The full story from Southern Railway Remembered is as follows:
"At the Alexandria Station the main line tracks separated into freight train tracks and passenger train tracks. The freight tracks, behind the northbound passenger waiting room, went into Potomac Yard. One morning a southbound train stopped right in front of the passenger sheds to wait for clearance. From the Alexandria station past Duke Street was a long curve, and incoming freight trains had a signal just before they got to the Duke Street Bridge. Because of the curve, northbound engineers had to depend on their firemen to
let them know whether or not the signal was clear.
An RF&P freight was coming in, and when it got close to the curve the engineer asked his fireman how the signal was. The fireman replied," I can't see the signal for that caboose is blocking my view." The engineer threw the brakes into emergency-too late! He rammed the Southern caboose and stood it on end. The flagman saw him coming in time to get out of the way. He took off down Duke Street. Someone stopped him and asked why he was in such a hurry. He pointed back toward the bridge; the caboose was on fire, and flames were going high above the bridge. Fortunately, the Southern conductor had already started walking to the front of his train when the train struck so no one was injured. There were some hard feelings however. The conductor had bought a couple of hams in Monroe and left them on the caboose. By the time he got back to what was left of the caboose, his hams were cooked well done".The diorama
For the diorama I first did a trial set up to get a sense of camera angles and the distance I would need to be away from the setup in order to guarantee everything was in focus. I had originally thought about having a wrecking crane in the background but the camera angle was such that the boom from the crane was more of a distraction than a complementary element to the picture. I tried different station locations and tried to think of things that would decrease the blank space above the main picture elements. I settled on the water tower and played with different positions of the tower, the station and positions of the wreck – particularly the locomotive.
In the first attempts I thought too much of the engine was concealed. After a couple of tries I finally found a derailed position that permitted one to see most of the front of the engine even with the caboose hanging in the position it was in. I dismantled one gondola to scatter wheel sets and I removed the wheels and axles from one of the caboose trucks.
Once I had the basic setup, I spent some time arranging figures – I took a number of test shots with figures in various locations trying to make the figures the focal point. The main issue with the figures was that I wanted to have a hapless fireman trying to explain things to the division manager with the engineer just looking on. Since I couldn't find any figures to match my needs for the fireman and the division super I kitbashed them.
The fireman with his palms turn outward in supplication is a heavily modified Plasticville figure. In order to get the right pose I spent a lot of time running between my wife's full length mirror in the bedroom and my work bench. I would stand in front of the mirror, take the stance I wanted to create, stare at my reflection for awhile, run down to the basement, sculpt a little of the figure, add a little squadron green putty, etc. and repeat.
The division super is a heavily modified Bachmann figure. The figure didn't scale out to 1:48 so I had to do some serious surgery with respect to sectioning his arms, legs and torso to "cut him down to size."
The engineer and the older railroad employee looking at the wrecked engine are commercial cast figures I painted and the intrepid newshound with the camera is from the Arttista Gazette.
As for the artistic license - the actual wreck only involved the destruction of the caboose - there was no derailment of the train that hit it.
Makes me think of some of Ward's cover photo's.
Steve
Thank you Steve. You'd be surprised (or maybe not) at the number of people who have told me the same thing - not only about this cover but about the cover I did last year as well. I appreciate the compliments.
@Arne @sncf231e thanks for the feedback regarding the Hornby station! I like the one that was previously posted- Man was that cool! That said, for now at least, I’m gonna keep mine as is- although stairs in the future would be cool!
and thanks again, @Arne, for the info about the KB Bing double logo. Happen to have a solely Bing version similar to the first picture you posted.
Also is my first Bing car, in general, so that one has got a special place with me. I do like the gold trim paint that KBN added , nice touch.
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Robert S. Butler posted:I think the picture below would meet the criteria for "making anything cool", the only issue is that I took the picture and submitted it to the editor of the Train Collectors Quarterly back in January so, even though it is the cover of the just published July issue of the Quarterly, it might not meet the criteria for "lately".
As the opening credits of many movies state "the following is based on true events" - the key word is based - I did take some artistic license.
The full story from Southern Railway Remembered is as follows:
"At the Alexandria Station the main line tracks separated into freight train tracks and passenger train tracks. The freight tracks, behind the northbound passenger waiting room, went into Potomac Yard. One morning a southbound train stopped right in front of the passenger sheds to wait for clearance. From the Alexandria station past Duke Street was a long curve, and incoming freight trains had a signal just before they got to the Duke Street Bridge. Because of the curve, northbound engineers had to depend on their firemen to
let them know whether or not the signal was clear.
An RF&P freight was coming in, and when it got close to the curve the engineer asked his fireman how the signal was. The fireman replied," I can't see the signal for that caboose is blocking my view." The engineer threw the brakes into emergency-too late! He rammed the Southern caboose and stood it on end. The flagman saw him coming in time to get out of the way. He took off down Duke Street. Someone stopped him and asked why he was in such a hurry. He pointed back toward the bridge; the caboose was on fire, and flames were going high above the bridge. Fortunately, the Southern conductor had already started walking to the front of his train when the train struck so no one was injured. There were some hard feelings however. The conductor had bought a couple of hams in Monroe and left them on the caboose. By the time he got back to what was left of the caboose, his hams were cooked well done".The diorama
For the diorama I first did a trial set up to get a sense of camera angles and the distance I would need to be away from the setup in order to guarantee everything was in focus. I had originally thought about having a wrecking crane in the background but the camera angle was such that the boom from the crane was more of a distraction than a complementary element to the picture. I tried different station locations and tried to think of things that would decrease the blank space above the main picture elements. I settled on the water tower and played with different positions of the tower, the station and positions of the wreck – particularly the locomotive.
In the first attempts I thought too much of the engine was concealed. After a couple of tries I finally found a derailed position that permitted one to see most of the front of the engine even with the caboose hanging in the position it was in. I dismantled one gondola to scatter wheel sets and I removed the wheels and axles from one of the caboose trucks.
Once I had the basic setup, I spent some time arranging figures – I took a number of test shots with figures in various locations trying to make the figures the focal point. The main issue with the figures was that I wanted to have a hapless fireman trying to explain things to the division manager with the engineer just looking on. Since I couldn't find any figures to match my needs for the fireman and the division super I kitbashed them.
The fireman with his palms turn outward in supplication is a heavily modified Plasticville figure. In order to get the right pose I spent a lot of time running between my wife's full length mirror in the bedroom and my work bench. I would stand in front of the mirror, take the stance I wanted to create, stare at my reflection for awhile, run down to the basement, sculpt a little of the figure, add a little squadron green putty, etc. and repeat.
The division super is a heavily modified Bachmann figure. The figure didn't scale out to 1:48 so I had to do some serious surgery with respect to sectioning his arms, legs and torso to "cut him down to size."
The engineer and the older railroad employee looking at the wrecked engine are commercial cast figures I painted and the intrepid newshound with the camera is from the Arttista Gazette.
As for the artistic license - the actual wreck only involved the destruction of the caboose - there was no derailment of the train that hit it.
Sam, I saw your credit for the cover when my copy arrived earlier this week. Great work!
George
RSB: Ward would be proud of your cover! Rest assured you are in GOOD company, and your efforts bore fruit!
With some time off for the holiday I've been able to complete assembly of my standard gauge Kingsbury single truck Birney. The project started with the purchase of a Kingsbury floor toy trolley that someone had already very carefully taken apart and removed the old friction mechanism from. Then I lucked into a loose McCoy mechanism at the local TTOS meet that came from a John Daniels GG1. I repaired the two failing wheels with cyanoacrylate (based on advice from repair expert Larry Pearson) and removed the plastic GG1 side frames.
Mating the trolley with the drive was accomplished by cutting several slots into the old trolley floor. I then added window glazing and a pair of bulbs, and the finishing touch was a pair of Ives pilots supplied by Bruce Peterson. I still need to strengthen up the floor a bit on one end- there's a big round hole where the old friction mechanism used to be and so the whole floor bends there.
This car joins the Kingsbury double-truck Birney motor/trailer set I posted about previously. Some photos and a video are attached.
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Picked this up at a flea market-antique mall. Not usually a steam locomotive guy but The front coupler had me intrigued, didn’t really know what I was getting...or getting myself into lol(spent the last 10 hours working on it). Unfortunately no tender but this dude it’s pretty cool
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Awesome find! I'd love to find one of those, and be able to afford it. You'll be recieving a reply from a tall dark man from Yonkers shortly......
StevefromPA posted:
Steve, you have a nice example of a prewar 203. It has a shorter boiler than the 227-series of switchers and comes with a shorter tender, with Lionel Lines instead of Pennsylvania on it. You should have a prewar box coupler on it.
Tom
Haha @Steamer I’ll have to be on the look out, just make sure to knock
@PRR8976 thank you. I wish I had the tender after reading about this guy it seems to be a really cool loco to run with the tender that can have a bell or a light. I’d assume those tenders are probably hard to come by without the switcher attached to it. But gotta get that guy working first!
just a heads up,,,,MNCW is the Yonkers boy,,,,
@Steamer lol makes sense. Hence his awesome website on these switchers. Good call on that one haha
StevefromPA posted:
Steve,
Very, very nice! I wish we had flea markets and antique malls here in Arkansas like the ones you obviously have in PA. Unfortunately, we don't. There's lots of outdoors and nature in the "Natural State" but not many toy trains like back on the East Coast.
Bob Nelson
StevefromPA posted:Picked this up at a flea market-antique mall. Not usually a steam locomotive guy but The front coupler had me intrigued, didn’t really know what I was getting...or getting myself into lol(spent the last 10 hours working on it). Unfortunately no tender but this dude it’s pretty cool
I've had one of these since I was a boy. One of the main rods remains 'repaired', ie spliced, as we could not find a part back then. Mine has the bell tender (another repair on the bimetal wire thing that cycles the bell. Runs like a little champ. Since I was doing postwar back then, tender trucks got swapped out for postwar coupler types.
These guys seem to be pretty rare, I suspect more of the scale versions were made than these. Lionel continued with the 4 wheel version after the war (1656, 1615 etc), but this one is the real deal .
Jim
My Ives 3250 has been giving me trouble for awhile now and finally kind of “conked out”. Don’t think the repairs should be that much- before she totally wouldn’t run she would require me to give her a little push first.
regardless, found a good deal on that auction website for an Ives 3252. Besides the light not working, runs like a champ and I like the brass plates. The green color also fits in better with My consist. Also has a reverse Lever that functions fine.
At the end of the day, can always count on the Lionel 254e though!
Also, update on the prewar 203 B6 switcher- cleaned the e-unit, took out the old wires and soldered in new ones- still no dice. Taking it to my repair guy on Tuesday. After that I’m gonna decide if I wanna keep it or sell it.
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Jim Waterman posted:StevefromPA posted:Picked this up at a flea market-antique mall. Not usually a steam locomotive guy but The front coupler had me intrigued, didn’t really know what I was getting...or getting myself into lol(spent the last 10 hours working on it). Unfortunately no tender but this dude it’s pretty cool
I've had one of these since I was a boy. One of the main rods remains 'repaired', ie spliced, as we could not find a part back then. Mine has the bell tender (another repair on the bimetal wire thing that cycles the bell. Runs like a little champ. Since I was doing postwar back then, tender trucks got swapped out for postwar coupler types.
These guys seem to be pretty rare, I suspect more of the scale versions were made than these. Lionel continued with the 4 wheel version after the war (1656, 1615 etc), but this one is the real deal .
Jim
Awesome story, @Jim Waterman ! Thank you for sharing. The responses to my purchase of this 203 switcher, I.e. members like you saying “this one is the real deal” makes me teeter closer to the edge of keeping it. I have a pre-war she’ll tender from my grandpop that, due to issues with the solonoid, I had the one coupler replaced so it’d be a good transition piece. Again, thanks for sharing, I hope I get to see my B6 run like a champ justlike you have gotten to see yours!
Due to physical limitation I broke down and replaced my Toyota Sienna train hauler with a Dodge. I was stunned to find the rear opening of the Dodge to be a bit over 4” narrower. My heavy duty Milwaukee hand truck would not fit in sideways. A bit of sawing and a few new holes solved the problem.
Steve
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not buying it Sport...fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me. (Good to see you in a Mopar)
Steve - for a moment I really thought you drilled some holes in the new car!
Steamer posted:not buying it Sport...fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me. (Good to see you in a Mopar)
My only other Mopar was a 1973 B300 cargo van we converted to a camper. Saw most of the western national parks and Vancouver in it.
Steve
Acquired some pieces recently. Maker unknown for all but the pamphlet/corcular so any help is appreciated !
first this French made passenger “station”(more like a shed or waiting area). I know it’s French, or am 95% certain, as it advertises the Chemins de Fer de L’Etat- a predecessor RR to the SNCF.
also picked up this piece of an old crossing gate. Like the “station” above, it’s smaller than my other pre-war o Tinplate acccessories.
final part of the lot is what appears to be part of a switch of track tripper
Then, picked up this 1919 repro Lionel circular. Pretty cool and somewhat informative about basics in prewar Lionel engines. Then after that is an unknown lamp that I bought with a Lionel #35 post war. No marks to identify a maker:
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Steve, your french little station is a JEP model, it has been produced during the thirties, the switch is BING. The crossing gate is certainly a french model from FV and is older than the station, but a picture of the top would be usefull to be sure.
All in all nice pieces,
Very best, Daniel
Thanks @FRENCHTRAINS ! And thank you for confirming its a station, lol. I really like it- also my first piece of JEP!! I’ve never heard of “FV”, wish the crossing was whole- I like the detail of the base and fence better than the Ives 215( or 216 i don’t recall) crossings.
Here’s a picture of the top and underneath where there are 2 open tubes(opposite the gate portion) that would connect to the missing half, I assume
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Got a couple of well loved Hornby No.2 locos coming to live with me
They show a lot of the last 80+ years lol , but they will be loved ( and maybe cleaned and oiled a tad )
I had never seen that 1919 circular before - thank you for sharing! Even as a reproduction, what a fascinating bit of history!
StevefromPA posted:Thanks @FRENCHTRAINS ! And thank you for confirming its a station, lol. I really like it- also my first piece of JEP!! I’ve never heard of “FV”, wish the crossing was whole- I like the detail of the base and fence better than the Ives 215( or 216 i don’t recall) crossings.
Here’s a picture of the top and underneath where there are 2 open tubes(opposite the gate portion) that would connect to the missing half, I assume
That's better with your pictures. It is not FV, certainly BING with the two connecting parts. They both produced very similar crossing gates.
The JEP station is a small Halte as you could find on secondary railways, Station is of course more prestigious.
I hope you will find some more JEP pieces, they display very well, here are some other models from the same time period.
Daniel
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Fatman posted:Got a couple of well loved Hornby No.2 locos coming to live with me
They show a lot of the last 80+ years lol , but they will be loved ( and maybe cleaned and oiled a tad )
Good lookin’ @Fatman !! I bid on a King George V, until I realized it wasn’t a George V, a couple of weeks ago and both of these beat the pants of that one. Both locos seem to be in great shape too- nice finds!
jhz563 posted:I had never seen that 1919 circular before - thank you for sharing! Even as a reproduction, what a fascinating bit of history!
Absolutely- happy to help! Idk if everyone can read the part that says “an apology”( I barely can right now- wearing sunglasses over my glasses b/c something wrong with my eye) anyway,, the part that says “An apology” goes on to explain how sorry JLC was that the actual catalog didn’t come and how there was nothing he could do as all the print shops in the city had gone one strike.
Also, for the first time, I read Lionel’s shots at Ives’ cast iron with the physical paper in my hand, and Lione bragging about them being the first ones with a 4 screw assembly. The sections on standard and o gauge schematics, though, have proven most helpful.
FRENCHTRAINS posted:StevefromPA posted:Thanks @FRENCHTRAINS ! And thank you for confirming its a station, lol. I really like it- also my first piece of JEP!! I’ve never heard of “FV”, wish the crossing was whole- I like the detail of the base and fence better than the Ives 215( or 216 i don’t recall) crossings.
Here’s a picture of the top and underneath where there are 2 open tubes(opposite the gate portion) that would connect to the missing half, I assume
That's better with your pictures. It is not FV, certainly BING with the two connecting parts. They both produced very similar crossing gates.
The JEP station is a small Halte as you could find on secondary railways, Station is of course more prestigious.
I hope you will find some more JEP pieces, they display very well, here are some other models from the same time period.
Daniel
Daniel,
Thanks for your invaluable insight! It’s much, much appreciated! I’ve seen some of those JEP pieces online before. They made some more unique accessories and you trains than the German brands I love to operate and collect- but that’s all due to geography etc...
Thank you, again for your help.
sincerely,
steve
I recently added these to my collection.
A very early Ives #190 standard gauge tank car. These were formerly 1 gauge cars and when Ives entered the standard gauge field in 1921 they used the same tank car. It is notable for the suspended air tank, ratchet on the brake wheel (wheel missing), long ladders, and narrow 1 gauge size couplers. The couplers on this example were changed to the wider type. In 1923 Ives changed the design to a tank on full frame style.
Next is a Bing 1 gauge beer car circa 20's-30's.
French Hornby O gauge Orient Express passenger cars. Only 2 cars are pictured, but I actually acquired 4. I have been trying to find these cars for some time to go behind my NORD 4-4-2. Now I need to find replacement wheel sets for the cars as zinc pest has attacked the original wheels.
Eric
TCA, LCCA, Ives Train Society
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Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Due to physical limitation I broke down and replaced my Toyota Sienna train hauler with a Dodge. I was stunned to find the rear opening of the Dodge to be a bit over 4” narrower. My heavy duty Milwaukee hand truck would not fit in sideways. A bit of sawing and a few new holes solved the problem.
Steve
The Dodge now feels like it’s mine.
Steve
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Are those o gauge or standard gauge? Cart looks great!
chug posted:I recently added these to my collection.
A very early Ives #190 standard gauge tank car. These were formerly 1 gauge cars and when Ives entered the standard gauge field in 1921 they used the same tank car. It is notable for the suspended air tank, ratchet on the brake wheel (wheel missing), long ladders, and narrow 1 gauge size couplers. The couplers on this example were changed to the wider type. In 1923 Ives changed the design to a tank on full frame style.
Next is a Bing 1 gauge beer car circa 20's-30's.
French Hornby O gauge Orient Express passenger cars. Only 2 cars are pictured, but I actually acquired 4. I have been trying to find these cars for some time to go behind my NORD 4-4-2. Now I need to find replacement wheel sets for the cars as zinc pest has attacked the original wheels.
Eric
TCA, LCCA, Ives Train Society
@chug goodness gracious man, those are absolute beauts and I love that you picked up 2 different gauged cars! having a tough time picking out a favorite from your pick-ups. I love Ives & Bing equally and, should next week’s meet go well, Hornby will move up but Ives & Bing are just 2 brands I’ve come to love. Speaking of love, I love Passenger cars, plus yours are from the famous Orient Express, so bump up there! The Ives tank with Texas oil on it is really neat too, but the Bing Beer car’s detail is great.
Why pick a favorite? Love’em all! Enjoy!
StevefromPA posted:chug posted:
French Hornby O gauge Orient Express passenger cars. Only 2 cars are pictured, but I actually acquired 4. I have been trying to find these cars for some time to go behind my NORD 4-4-2. Now I need to find replacement wheel sets for the cars as zinc pest has attacked the original wheels.
Eric
TCA, LCCA, Ives Train Society
Speaking of love, I love Passenger cars, plus yours are from the famous Orient Express, so bump up there!
The Hornby blue CIWL restaurant and sleeper car and the matching Nord 4-4-2 were called the "Riviera Blue Train" by Hornby. This train ("Le Train Bleu" in French) was at least as famous as the Oriënt Express in the thirties and brought rich English people for their holidays from Paris to the Cote d'Azur. It was the first train to have the luxurious type LX sleeping car which only held 10 passengers and this train was more luxurious then the Oriënt Express.
Regards
Fred
Regarding my recent finds, thanks to all for your kind complements! Fred you are of course correct. My mistake calling the Hornby coaches Orient Express. I should have referenced my Hornby book. I am still seeking a source for replacement wheel sets and I've had no luck searching the web. Surely someone must produce these. Any help appreciated.
I intend to sell 2 of the Blue Train cars, a sleeper, and a dining car. If interested contact me using the email address in my profile. I will be listing these on the Buy/Sell in the near future.
Eric
TCA, LCCA, Ives Train Society
I made a new flat car. I picked up a McCoy flat car at an estate sale some time ago and recently found a trailer truck with a trailer that was the right size to add to the flat.The final product an REA trailer on a B&M flat looks pretty good.
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A Dorfan standard gauge saga. At a TTOS meet last year I purchased a Dorfan 3920 locomotive that had a very nice restored shell mated together with a McCoy motor. To accommodate the McCoy motor all of the original mounting bosses inside the shell (where the gears and motor elements once attached) had been ground off. As noted the shell was as nice as they come for Dorfan, but unfortunately it had been repainted in an awful shade of tan.It ran well but looked pretty drab.
I decided to repaint it and started off with red in mind. I prepped the existing paint with ultra fine steel wool and then sprayed it with a nice Flyer red from the Collector's Color paint line. Unfortunately that paint (literally) never dried. I eventually baked it which caused it to start drying, but it also made it bubble. In the end I concluded that the tan paint that I painted over was incompatible with the new lacquer-based paint.
After ignoring it for a while, I decided to do it over in black (also from Collector Colors and no problems drying), sanding down the red and then applying a primer coat. Along the way I opted to paint the doors in the dark red, based on the Ives 3240 paint scheme which is one of my favorites.
In the end I'm quite happy with it, I don't think Dorfan ever offered the 3920 in black, but I like it. And with the McCoy motor it has plenty of pulling power. I may also replace the very unusual stanchions at the four corners- these should have been flag holders, but whomever rebuilt it before me put some unusual turned brass pieces in there instead.
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John Smatlak posted:A Dorfan standard gauge saga. At a TTOS meet last year I purchased a Dorfan 3920 locomotive that had a very nice restored shell mated together with a McCoy motor. To accommodate the McCoy motor all of the original mounting bosses inside the shell (where the gears and motor elements once attached) had been ground off. As noted the shell was as nice as they come for Dorfan, but unfortunately it had been repainted in an awful shade of tan.It ran well but looked pretty drab.
I decided to repaint it and started off with red in mind. I prepped the existing paint with ultra fine steel wool and then sprayed it with a nice Flyer red from the Collector's Color paint line. Unfortunately that paint (literally) never dried. I eventually baked it which caused it to start drying, but it also made it bubble. In the end I concluded that the tan paint that I painted over was incompatible with the new lacquer-based paint.
After ignoring it for a while, I decided to do it over in black (also from Collector Colors and no problems drying), sanding down the red and then applying a primer coat. Along the way I opted to paint the doors in the dark red, based on the Ives 3240 paint scheme which is one of my favorites.
In the end I'm quite happy with it, I don't think Dorfan ever offered the 3920 in black, but I like it. And with the McCoy motor it has plenty of pulling power. I may also replace the very unusual stanchions at the four corners- these should have been flag holders, but whomever rebuilt it before me put some unusual turned brass pieces in there instead.
John
I don't see black in the Greenberg book, but I would imagine black 3920's were made. Maybe John Wheeler is watching and will chime in.
Steve
Saw this at a consignment shop today. Decent craftsmanship in a one of a kind piece, even if the person making it didn’t really know what they were modeling. If the tracks had actually made a semicircle inside the structure it probably would have come home. It looked close to o gauge but I am not totally sure it was. Any way, thought I would share
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jhz563 posted:
That is a very interesting piece... I'm guessing someone's interpretation of a roundhouse? The track appears to be American Flyer "O" gauge clockwork train track, at least as well as I can identify from the picture. Very cool. I would have been tempted to bring it home.
depending on the price I definitely would have been tempted
I think you should make an offer!
Tom
MNCW posted:I think you should make an offer!
Tom
The problem is, I have no idea what I would do with it. If the three tracks weren’t all dead ends I could do something. But two rail tracks in such a weird configuration just don’t jump out to me as something I can think of how to work into a track plan. If anyone is really interested I can send you the name of the shop I saw it at.
@WindupGuy that looks really cool! Was watching “Tinplate Legends 2” on Amazon last night and from the outside that’s very similar to the roundhouse on the one layout that I saw. Very, very interesting piece
Been here and there the last couple of days, culminating with the Hamburg train meet this past Sunday.
bought a few Bub pieces off this sale gentleman last time, he was one of the few who had anything European. The last car(the red coach) is one I bought last time.
Now for the new ones: The front car is a baggage car, it’s quite plain compared to the other KBN baggage car that I have(green, numbers, says “Nuremberg”c has a KBN and Bing logo). This one has no logo. Also, one the couplers is, for lack of a better word, upside down with a t-shaped slit. The blue coach in the middle is the same way, the connection holds up rather well. Neither car has any KBN markings on it, whatsoever, any idea why? Further, why are these couplers different?
Next picked up the SP caboose with the stupid Marx knuckle coupler ha. But I had to get that one since I have the 6000 AA units. I believe i’m Just missing a Wabash gondola and the set will be complete?
its the figures on the right that caused me to post this. They’re all Diecast. The officer in blue, he’s an officer on my layout at least ha, is newer as is the hunter up front. The figure in between is a policeman writing out a ticket but he’s serving as an immigration official for refugees on my layout right now. In the back right, he’s the most interesting. I collect toy soldiers as well. I’ve never seen a toy soldier that old at a size that is somewhat compatible with anything in the O train realm, Tinplate or not. Most soldiers are 54mm and appropriate for g-scale. While this figure is bigger than most, he’s an interesting figureAnd one I’m happy to have added to my layout.
hunter protecting his trailer(man I love that thing!)
Im including this picture because of the 250 watt Z which was, iirc, late prewar and early postwar. Got a good deal on it and a warranty. Can never have too much power! My dad and I visited the Reading Train Museum after the show which was really cool- that’s what you see on the right.
finally, immigration official on the right as the last of refugees make their way across the foot bridge. On the left is the soldier I spoke of previously.
While I didn’t get the 2 things that i wanted(one of which was supposed to be there), I bought A LOT of pieces(figures, transformers) that give me more options going forward.
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Sorry I didn’t know a better way to describe it ha. It’s something I’ve seen before but have never run any trains with that coupler. The red Bub coach in that picture had one on when I bought it. I tried to adjust it but it broke when I tried to twist it, of course, considering how old it was. Both the freight car and the blue coach have that coutlet and then a repro Ives tab and slot type coupler. I don’t mind though, for compatibility purposes.
Thank you @Jim O'C for the information. It’s just something I haven’t seen on a prewar European Train before. I’m used to the Bing, Bub, some Hornby, Basset-Lowke, etc...with the hook and swinging bar or the vertically moving, downward facing hook with the ring around it like Fleischmann. The swinging bar actually attached pretty well to The hook on Lionel’s dreaded “hook and latch” coupler.
I finally acquired a Dorfan 610 derrick. I'll post pictures when I get it and finish cleaning it up. Looks like there is lots of caked on dust and grime to remove but otherwise in good shape. Question, was this derrick car ever made with a maroon roof? All I see in online photos is a roof in a shade of green. I'm wondering if mine was repainted?
Also, is this the Greenberg book on Dorfan?
Greenberg's Guide to Early American Toy Trains
George
George S posted:I finally acquired a Dorfan 610 derrick. I'll post pictures when I get it and finish cleaning it up. Looks like there is lots of caked on dust and grime to remove but otherwise in good shape. Question, was this derrick car ever made with a maroon roof? All I see in online photos is a roof in a shade of green. I'm wondering if mine was repainted?
Also, is this the Greenberg book on Dorfan?
Greenberg's Guide to Early American Toy Trains
George
Yes, the Greenberg's Guide to Early American Toy Trains covers Dorfan, Hafner, and Carlisle & Finch
There’s a very nice set of Dorfan O gauge cars available on the big auction site right now including the 610 derrick. They look to be in really nice condition with original boxes. Looks like a couple of brake wheels are missing. Most have the brass journals. They priced for their condition in case anyone is interested. To be clear, this is not my auction. I just noticed it.
George
StevefromPA posted:Been here and there the last couple of days, culminating with the Hamburg train meet this past Sunday.
bought a few Bub pieces off this sale gentleman last time, he was one of the few who had anything European. The last car(the red coach) is one I bought last time.
Now for the new ones: The front car is a baggage car, it’s quite plain compared to the other KBN baggage car that I have(green, numbers, says “Nuremberg”c has a KBN and Bing logo). This one has no logo. Also, one the couplers is, for lack of a better word, upside down with a t-shaped slit. The blue coach in the middle is the same way, the connection holds up rather well. Neither car has any KBN markings on it, whatsoever, any idea why? Further, why are these couplers different?
That´s no Bub, was made by Distler in Nurnberg in the late 30s.
Greetings
Arne
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Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:
An engine and tender from Home Depot? It must be a coal fired generator to go with your collection of cleaning supplies! Oh wait, you said you were selling that. Now I'm puzzled...
George
John Smatlak posted:A Dorfan standard gauge saga. At a TTOS meet last year I purchased a Dorfan 3920 locomotive that had a very nice restored shell mated together with a McCoy motor. To accommodate the McCoy motor all of the original mounting bosses inside the shell (where the gears and motor elements once attached) had been ground off. As noted the shell was as nice as they come for Dorfan, but unfortunately it had been repainted in an awful shade of tan.It ran well but looked pretty drab.
I decided to repaint it and started off with red in mind. I prepped the existing paint with ultra fine steel wool and then sprayed it with a nice Flyer red from the Collector's Color paint line. Unfortunately that paint (literally) never dried. I eventually baked it which caused it to start drying, but it also made it bubble. In the end I concluded that the tan paint that I painted over was incompatible with the new lacquer-based paint.
After ignoring it for a while, I decided to do it over in black (also from Collector Colors and no problems drying), sanding down the red and then applying a primer coat. Along the way I opted to paint the doors in the dark red, based on the Ives 3240 paint scheme which is one of my favorites.
In the end I'm quite happy with it, I don't think Dorfan ever offered the 3920 in black, but I like it. And with the McCoy motor it has plenty of pulling power. I may also replace the very unusual stanchions at the four corners- these should have been flag holders, but whomever rebuilt it before me put some unusual turned brass pieces in there instead.
I really like the Dorfan standard gauge cars as well. Someday I will need to add those to my collecting list... I like the electric engine too.
George
Jim O'C posted:
That would be awesome! I wonder how many kids tried to climb on it? Today, they wouldn't be able to take a picture of the display without at least two kids fighting to get on.
George
@Arne you’ve helped me out so much in identifying products, thanks for another assist. I thought it was Bub b/c the frame design around the wheels looked so similar to a KBN I posted previously(the green baggage car with the Bub & Bing logos). May I inquire, kindly, how you recognized they were Distler?
If the lingo in the last sentence seems odd, I’ve been watching the “John Adams” mini-series.
Arne, Thanks again!
Steve
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:
Steve “Papa” Eastman teasers bring out a joy in me greater than when I was on the McFarlane sports forums 10+ years ago and they’d post NEW PRODUCT teasers. I have no idea what it could be but am excited to see!
StevefromPA posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:
Steve “Papa” Eastman teasers bring out a joy in me greater than when I was on the McFarlane sports forums 10+ years ago and they’d post NEW PRODUCT teasers. I have no idea what it could be but am excited to see!
It is unpacked, but there was some minor damage in transit so pictures will be later this evening. It’s repaired, just putting it back together.
Steve
bet it's more cleaning supplies since the last collection sold out so quickly........
StevefromPA posted:@Arne you’ve helped me out so much in identifying products, thanks for another assist. I thought it was Bub b/c the frame design around the wheels looked so similar to a KBN I posted previously(the green baggage car with the Bub & Bing logos). May I inquire, kindly, how you recognized they were Distler?
Arne, Thanks again!
Steve
Hello Steve,
Bub had made similar coaches, but the frame is different. Distler had made very own frames.
Greetings
Arne
Ok folks, here’s the contents of the big box. For size reference, that’s a six foot table it’s sitting on. Can’t run it on the home layout. Strictly club meets and shows. The height won’t go under my mountain which would not be hard to fix, but the cab swing will destroy the walls
Steve
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It was hard for me to not to ruin the suspense! I can't wait to see it in person!
POC914NUT posted:It was hard for me to not to ruin the suspense! I can't wait to see it in person!
Cant wait to run it on your loops. Should be more fun than going back and forth 5 feet.
Steve
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:POC914NUT posted:It was hard for me to not to ruin the suspense! I can't wait to see it in person!
Cant wait to run it on your loops. Should be more fun than going back and forth 5 feet.
Steve
That is so awesome! Is that a Waterman special from the Harmon Lines tooling?
George
George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:POC914NUT posted:It was hard for me to not to ruin the suspense! I can't wait to see it in person!
Cant wait to run it on your loops. Should be more fun than going back and forth 5 feet.
Steve
That is so awesome! Is that a Waterman special from the Harmon Lines tooling?
George
Yes, a Hamon Challenger by Waterman.
Steve
I went on a little buying spree this week. I finally found some unusual and more difficult items to acquire for my collection. This is a 1 Gauge Santhion country station with 1 Gauge metal figures. It should mix in fine with my Standard gauge trains.
George
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I got my answer on the Dorfan Derrick. The maroon color is over-paint. It did not adhere to the green so I was able to get a layer off. Unfortunately I can’t fully save the original paint, but I got enough removed to color match it. Looks like a restore is ahead...
George
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George S posted:
John Deere Green is a real close off the shelf match.
Steve
agreed....paint the roof and distress it to match, Nice piece George.
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:
Steve is it just me or is your table saging in the middle?
Picked these up this week. 2758 and beautiful box
and for the lofty sum of $1, a 659 dump frame (for which I have an unmarked bin from a 809, and a O Gauge body, which may end up as a tender frame for my 2-8-2 project.
all pics were taken by me, and I gave myself permission to post them.
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Turned out nice. Thanks for the color tip Steve! I found John Deere green at Ace in the Ace brand. Great paint! It went on thin and completely dried and hardened in my light bulb oven in one hour. I have to wait two days for Rustoleum to cure like that. Here’s a pic.
George