Buy/Make Anything Cool Lately (Tinplate Version)

Steve, I agree they are nice - so you have 4 down and 5 to go.   They look nice with the AMT Santa Fe units but those units are painted in freight colors.  Since AMT did make the offering of the cars with the idea that you might want to provide your own head end power I took them up on that idea.  I have an MTH A-B-A Alco set to pull them. It does a good job of pulling and the engines and the cars make for a very colorful consist.

...Just to give you an idea of the visual impression...

Oh yes - the remaining cars are: 

#4170 Baggage

#5260 Combine

#3160 Coach

Indian Scout 

Diner

I made a few  things since I had a lot of time off over the Holidays. Here are a couple of pictures of my latest projects a standard gauge 38 shell in B&M maroon and a 33 shell in B&M Bluebird. By the way the flash kind of washes out the maroon, it's really a very nice burgundy color ( Rustoleum Burgundy).

The 38 is decaled but not touched up or clear coated yet, the 33 need decals and few finishing touches. 

I found out something I didn’t realize when I put these two on the bench together. I always thought a 38 was just a 33 with different wheels and frame, turns out the 38 is an inch longer than the 33 such as larger cab side windows and longer hoods. At the moment I don’t have a 38 chassis so I think I’ll make some spacers and use one of the 33 chassis I do have.

In this photo a 33 and 38 are lined up and you can see how much longer the 38 really is.

The 33 in this picture will be the fraternal twin to the one I'm working on now.

The 2 Bluebirds on a train should look pretty good especially with my 117 Caboose. When I run the maroon 38 I can use my other B&M maroon caboose.

Sorry, guys, these pictures showed that they were posting on my computer but not on my phone, now they're not showing up at all. Winnings from the auction as referenced in the post above

 Beets &Beets Hercules toy transformer. Still the stock photo:

My transformer comes with a light-bulb socket plug so I guess it's likely older. Just thought it was a neat piece of history and a cool looking conversation piece.

Also snagged a pair of Lionel 184 Bungalows(Specifically with the A-1, A-2, A-3 marked on the pieces) for a bit below the going rate. Pretty good condition and they're prewar buildings I've wanted for awhile. 

Finally, won this Marx Armed Forces training center. The 4 walls are in great condition.

Robert S. Butler posted:

Steve, I agree they are nice - so you have 4 down and 5 to go.   They look nice with the AMT Santa Fe units but those units are painted in freight colors.  Since AMT did make the offering of the cars with the idea that you might want to provide your own head end power I took them up on that idea.  I have an MTH A-B-A Alco set to pull them. It does a good job of pulling and the engines and the cars make for a very colorful consist.

...Just to give you an idea of the visual impression...

Oh yes - the remaining cars are: 

#4170 Baggage

#5260 Combine

#3160 Coach

Indian Scout 

Diner

Ah, Robert! Why'd you have to post those engines with that! I love the MTH PA's! I have a K-line Alco A-A FA set, which is nice, but nothing like your set! I've running the different combos of the 3 AMT Santa Fe passenger cars that I have behind the K-line A-A and a postwar Lionel FA 215 A-A but neither looked right with these passenger cars.

I actually have 2 of the#3160 coach, which is fortunate as the Obs Car came with a plastic, non-operating coupler that was broken so I just replaced it with one from the "not as nice" 3160. Have the 5260 combine car that you pictured above, which might be my favorite. So that leaves baggage, which could be the 4170 or the 3407 RPO, Indian Scout, and Diner which would leave me with a nice 6 car consist.

Robert S. Butler posted:

Steve, I agree they are nice - so you have 4 down and 5 to go.   They look nice with the AMT Santa Fe units but those units are painted in freight colors.  Since AMT did make the offering of the cars with the idea that you might want to provide your own head end power I took them up on that idea.  I have an MTH A-B-A Alco set to pull them. It does a good job of pulling and the engines and the cars make for a very colorful consist.

...Just to give you an idea of the visual impression...

Oh yes - the remaining cars are: 

#4170 Baggage

#5260 Combine

#3160 Coach

Indian ScoutDiner

I have a baggage on the way, so only 4 more to find. The only SF diesels I have are Marx 21’s and 1095’s

Steve

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve admired the AMT passenger cars for years. Finally snagged a Santa Fe set today.

Steve

 

Sorry I didn’t see this before, Steve! Awesome set- all operating couplers and matching smooth roofs. Is the dome on the Vista original? I don’t think I’ve ever seen when that hasn’t become discolored. The set in general looks to be in great shape, how are the wires to the lights underneath and the trucks? Took me awhile to get used to the trucks and the wires were finicky.

After I got a Kusan is when I started looking into its history and recognized that these AMT passenger cars were the same ones being sold in the same antique mall(where I got the 2 #3160 coaches and combine). If only I had recognized it sooner as they had other road names as well-PRR, NYC, Reading, or some combo thereof.

Don’t have the 1095 Marx but I have the litho 21. The thought has crossed my mind to try and run it with these except the powered unit’s shell is off balance and I haven’t gotten around to re-examine it yet. Regardless, Congrats on getting something you’ve always had your eye on- that’s always a good feeling. 

StevefromPA posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve admired the AMT passenger cars for years. Finally snagged a Santa Fe set today.

Steve

 

Sorry I didn’t see this before, Steve! Awesome set- all operating couplers and matching smooth roofs. Is the dome on the Vista original? I don’t think I’ve ever seen when that hasn’t become discolored. The set in general looks to be in great shape, how are the wires to the lights underneath and the trucks? Took me awhile to get used to the trucks and the wires were finicky.

After I got a Kusan is when I started looking into its history and recognized that these AMT passenger cars were the same ones being sold in the same antique mall(where I got the 2 #3160 coaches and combine). If only I had recognized it sooner as they had other road names as well-PRR, NYC, Reading, or some combo thereof.

Don’t have the 1095 Marx but I have the litho 21. The thought has crossed my mind to try and run it with these except the powered unit’s shell is off balance and I haven’t gotten around to re-examine it yet. Regardless, Congrats on getting something you’ve always had your eye on- that’s always a good feeling. 

Steve, It had a original dome on it that was badly warped, but the seller had the repro one to go with it.

Steve

Here's a link to an old thread about AMT/KMT/Kusan aluminum cars:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...assenger-cars?page=1

George S posted

Yours truly. That’s my personal replica of an Ives STD gauge no. 201 powerhouse. It is paper-plated tin.

George 

George, I like the way you think.

MTN posted:

Here's a link to an old thread about AMT/KMT/Kusan aluminum cars:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...assenger-cars?page=1

Thanks, some good reading.

Steve

From bits:

PD

PD: What a great flatcar load.  The ambulance looks to be WW1 vintage or perhaps a 20's vehicle.  The flatcar, with manual latch couplers and Ni journal boxes looks to be a #651 made between '35-40 if its O-gauge Lionel (which it appears to be).  Am I right?  

Great modeling .  I just found a 64 1/2 Mustang that I sent pictures of on the thread about vehicles, its too late and likely too big (1/36) for my tinplate but my wife (future wife at the time) owned an identical car when it first came out.  Don't know how I will integrate it with my tinplate but will figure that out! Really well detailed and only cost $5.99 at Walgreens.

Happy New Year. and Great Modeling

Don

 "Don't know how I will integrate it with my tinplate but will figure that out! "

Don have fun with your trains. I have '60s musclecars all over my tinplate trainboard.

Hi Don...yes, it was actually a Lionel 804 tank car I bought out of a guy's junk bin at a meet many years ago. Only the frame was salvageable, the rest was either missing or mashed. I seem to remember that someone had soldered the handrails directly to the sides of the tank. Tossed that away, beat the frame back into shape and repainted it black, then got the rest of the bits from George Tebolt (wheels, axles, couplers, and journals). The Lledo Hudson ambulance was found on eBay ("Models of Days Gone" series, 1986). A bit of chain from the jewelry aisle at Michael's, and that's about it. I liked the white tires on this little car, sets off nice against the black frame. Lledos are a bit small, maybe closer to 1/64-scale, but it seems to work here.

Paul

pd posted:

From bits:

PD

An alternative could be an art deco, wooden wheel, pressed steel Wyandotte ambulance.

Bob Nelson

Pete in Kansas posted:

I made a few  things since I had a lot of time off over the Holidays. Here are a couple of pictures of my latest projects a standard gauge 38 shell in B&M maroon and a 33 shell in B&M Bluebird. By the way the flash kind of washes out the maroon, it's really a very nice burgundy color ( Rustoleum Burgundy).

The 38 is decaled but not touched up or clear coated yet, the 33 need decals and few finishing touches. 

I found out something I didn’t realize when I put these two on the bench together. I always thought a 38 was just a 33 with different wheels and frame, turns out the 38 is an inch longer than the 33 such as larger cab side windows and longer hoods. At the moment I don’t have a 38 chassis so I think I’ll make some spacers and use one of the 33 chassis I do have.

In this photo a 33 and 38 are lined up and you can see how much longer the 38 really is.

The 33 in this picture will be the fraternal twin to the one I'm working on now.

The 2 Bluebirds on a train should look pretty good especially with my 117 Caboose. When I run the maroon 38 I can use my other B&M maroon caboose.

Love 'em Pete, fantastic job.

Dave: Thanks for the encouragement, agree...that Mustang will find a home on the "Lexington Park and Savannah" (long and skinny) RR for sure. 

Paul:  thanks for the response, thought it was a #651 (which believe it or not is the only "600" series car I don't have !) Great job, thanks for letting me know about the Lledo brand, I will look for these as this ambulance looks really top notch

Bob Nelson:  Thanks for the picture of the Wyandotte alternative, I have a few Wyandotte trucks but most are way too big for trains (mostly floor toys).  Did you restore that one?  If not finding a pressed steel toy in that shape is a real rarity, most of them I see are well played with (a testimony to their durability and play value).  Still love 'um anyway.

Pete from Kansas: Your modeling skills are obviously top notch, the cars / engine cabs look terrific.  Wish I could find 33 / 38 cabs anymore, toys and toy trains are "thin" here in Central Texas outside of our train shows.

Great Stuff Everyone

Don

PD  if you have another flat that you want to load - why not put on an old horse drawn fire engine complete with the fire engine crew?  In addition to being true to prototype you would have a perfect excuse for running your engine with just the one flatcar around your layout as fast as you could - The book Railroad Avenue has the details

Excerpt From Railroad Avenue

  In the fall of 1871 the country had a prolonged dry spell. Prairie fires caused quite a lot of damage. Talk of fires was common along the line, but nobody in Bloomington was prepared for the startling report on October 8 that the great city of Chicago was burning. By the next morning things were desperate and Chicago sent out a plea for help over the telegraph wires. 

  Bloomington had a good fire engine, but the blazing metropolis was 126 miles away.  The suggestion was made that this apparatus be loaded on a flatcar and set to Chicago on a special.  The division super thought it over and five minutes later he came out of his office and yelled at engineer Lou Hawks, “Take the Major Knowlton (a high stepping 4-4-0) and run the wheels off her!”

  The switch crew set up the alignment for a flat car and the fire brigade was told to get their rig to the station immediately. Just as they were hooking the flatcar to the engine the Bloomington fire engine crew drew up beside the platform. Presently a gang of men had the equipment fastened securely to the car. The fireman had been keeping the engine hot so the second everything was nailed down Lou gave a nod and the super said, “The road’s yours! Everything else is on sidings and men are posted at switches.”

  Lou cracked the throttle and after a quick snake through the yard was out on the main. He opened her up. Chenoa to Pontiac, ten miles in ten minutes. Wilmington to Elwood, seven miles in a fraction over six minutes. Telephone poles raced by like a picket fence. As No. 97 skyrocketed through one town after another, station loafers yelled and cheered.

  Back on the flatcar the Bloomington fire brigade, frightened and pale, were clutching their apparatus with an almost deathlike grip. Through Joliet they tore like a runaway comet, then out into the open prairie again. Soon the men in the engine cab and on the flatcar could see the heavy smoke pall hanging over the doomed city and could smell the acrid scent of her burning buildings.  At length the fast run ended. Lou Hawks burst into the glass roofed Chicago train shed – 126 miles in 150 minutes – it hardly seemed possible back in 1871. Eager hands snatched the Bloomington fire engine from its moorings and sent it straight out to join in fighting the fire.

Had to go to the Philadelphia area for work today.  Exiting the Tollroad, I noted the sign said "Lansdale" in addition to the city I was visiting.  Lansdale...thinking...thinking...it suddenly dawned on me that Hennings Hobbies is in Lansdale.  Had to stop and google their address and hours.  Turned the car toward Lansdale and stopped and bought a pile of American Flyer MEW wheels.  19 sets of wheels traveling home with me.  Thought I might get questioned at airport security, but nope!

I had been meaning to place an order in the near future and my trip saved me the trouble of making the order.  Have some re-wheeling work in my future!  

NWL

Very interesting, RSB. That's a great idea, putting together a few more flats with other apparatus on them. The kids sure would love it.

Paul

Don McErlean posted:

 

Bob Nelson:  Thanks for the picture of the Wyandotte alternative, I have a few Wyandotte trucks but most are way too big for trains (mostly floor toys).  Did you restore that one?  If not finding a pressed steel toy in that shape is a real rarity, most of them I see are well played with (a testimony to their durability and play value).  Still love 'um anyway.

 

Don

The one pictured is restored but not by me.  It fits nicely on a Standard Gauge 211 flat car.

Bob Nelson

Little blurry, hands shake a bit.  Here are some of my favorites:

Lionel 248 (red) with 629 Pullman and 630 obs // American Flyer 1120 Pullman labeled "Dominion Flyer" for CA market

American flyer 1097 with 1120 Pullman and 1120 obs (yup same number)  // Lionel 252 partial

Lionel 253 with 607 607 Pullmans and 608 obs

Lionel 248 (orange) with 529 529 Pullmans and 530 obs

Made some pipe cleaner trees for my winter scenic plot. Still to come- hedges, fence, walkways and steps,

PD - looking at your great ambulance flat, NAVY SEAL posted a Wyandotte ambulance as a possible alternative load.  I also thought it would be a great load and commented that I have a few Wyandotte trucks but they seemed too big for any flat. NAVY SEAL felt that the ambulance would fit on a 212 Standard Gauge flat.  Well, that peaked my curiosity, so I dug out my 212 and tried to mount one of my trucks on the flat.  You can see below that it does fit, after a fashion, and by removing the stakes it would center, so NAVY SEAL is correct, even my trucks would fit.  (of course I have nowhere to run a 212 but that's just details

Little big but thanks to both PD and NAVY SEAL/Bob Nelson for the idea, was fun this morning!

Don

I loaded this McCoy flat over the holidays as kind of a joke, but in light of these recent discussions, it seems pretty relevant. Lots of fun can be had by adding various loads to both flat cars and gondolas, something I was shown in my youth!

POC914Nut (is this Porsche 914 nut?)  Agree with your comment about loading up flats and gons.  The tank load is really cool and colorful, are those tanks recent toys or antiques?  In my youth, my Lionel flats held any toy car or truck that would fit and stay on (note many did not stay on annoying my Dad who often had to crawl under the tree to get them) and the my Lionel gon held many of my toy soldiers on their way to Korea.  OK I know (now) that there could be no train to Korea but I was 6 in 1950...so who knew what the globe looked like !

OBTW based on your choice of comment names  I would be Vette98NUT...for my 1998 Corvette convertible upon which I spend way too much time / money and only drive about 5000 miles per year ... but who's counting right?

Don

I’ve had this mocked up for some time. Need to get it finished.

steve

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve had this mocked up for some time. Need to get it finished.

steve

Wolverine tin sub?

If so its looking quite minty!

( yes I also have the odd tinplate clockwork boat lol but no wolverine sub .. its on my want list tho )

Last week I posted some pictures of my B&M 38 and 33 painted and decaled. Below are some updated Pictures as they are assembled and at least one of them ( the 38 on a 33 chassis) id complete and running.

I some of the last pictures you can see the 1/2 inch metal bar stock that was made into spacers so the shorter 33 chassis could be used with the 38 shell.  A 1 foot piece of the bar stock was $4.98 in Home Depot.

The last 2 pictures show it on the track running. It runs pretty good but takes a lot of voltage. I didn't do much on this motor except replace the brushes. I'll probably go back and replace some of the wiring and the pickup shoe that is very worn.  

The other B&M 33 might have been done this weekend except that I dropped one of the cowcatchers on the floor and it broke in two. Not a big problem I'll just take one off another 33 that I have ( i seem to have developed a 33 junkyard, I have 2 others in parts on the bench) and paint it black. Maybe next week I'll finish that one.

Not quite as cool as Pete's custom work,  but a find for me.  

This is part of mth set 11-5502.  I am still working on my 2816 hopper collection,  and this one cost me getting the whole set! 

(As an fyi, this was the only part of the set I was after.  So keep an eye on the for sale forum if you are interested! link)

Don McErlean posted:

PD - looking at your great ambulance flat, NAVY SEAL posted a Wyandotte ambulance as a possible alternative load.  I also thought it would be a great load and commented that I have a few Wyandotte trucks but they seemed too big for any flat. NAVY SEAL felt that the ambulance would fit on a 212 Standard Gauge flat.  Well, that peaked my curiosity, so I dug out my 212 and tried to mount one of my trucks on the flat.  You can see below that it does fit, after a fashion, and by removing the stakes it would center, so NAVY SEAL is correct, even my trucks would fit.  (of course I have nowhere to run a 212 but that's just details

Little big but thanks to both PD and NAVY SEAL/Bob Nelson for the idea, was fun this morning!

Don

Don, that looks outstanding, albeit on a considerably bigger scale than what I tried to pull together. I am unfamiliar with Wyandotte toys, so I'll have to keep an eye out for examples.

The ambulance I used is a Lledo from around 1986. Their stuff is probably closer to 1/64-scale, but I figured in the tinplate world, that's close enough.

Paul

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve had this mocked up for some time. Need to get it finished.

steve

Steve,

LOVE IT!!!    Reminds me of the Lionel O gauge submarine car I had as a kid.

Bob Nelson

navy.seal posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve had this mocked up for some time. Need to get it finished.

steve

Steve,

LOVE IT!!!    Reminds me of the Lionel O gauge submarine car I had as a kid.

Bob Nelson

Bob, that was my inspiration. I made one in O a few years ago and someone wanted it REALLY bad so I sold it.

Steve

PD :  I agree that your Liedo is much closer to our O gauge size, but when someone mentioned Wyandotte I just had to try. 

By the way, Wyandotte is really the All Metal Products Company, founded in 1920, in Wyandotte MI with the idea of making things out of scrap metal.  At first they specialized in toy guns ( pop guns, cork shooters, etc) and for awhile were the largest manufacturer of toy guns in the US.  The began making girls toys in 29 and litho toys in 36.  In 46  they bought Hafner and began to manufacture the Hafner clockwork metal train line.  Eventually they just lost out to Marx which was an almost direct competitor both in the litho truck and metal train market and they went bankrupt in 1956.  Like Marx they are prized for their great and colorful lithography, and rugged toys with great play value.  Also like Marx, They produced the same basic truck that I pictured in many models by just changing the lithography, I have a grocery delivery truck and a tow truck version as well.  Wikipedia under "Wyandotte Toys" has some cool pictures and additional details.

Best Regards

Don

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

navy.seal posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve had this mocked up for some time. Need to get it finished.

steve

 

Steve,

LOVE IT!!!    Reminds me of the Lionel O gauge submarine car I had as a kid.

 

Bob Nelson

Bob, that was my inspiration. I made one in O a few years ago and someone wanted it REALLY bad so I sold it.

Steve

Here's my flat car load- a tin toy truck on an Ives standard gauge flatcar; fits quite nicely!

Fatman posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve had this mocked up for some time. Need to get it finished.

steve

Wolverine tin sub?

If so its looking quite minty!

( yes I also have the odd tinplate clockwork boat lol but no wolverine sub .. its on my want list tho )

Yes, it’s Wolverine. Pretty decent except all the railings being bent. Haven’t tried straightening them yet.

Steve

John / Steve : OK I see the makings of a contest..."What can you get on a Standard Gauge flatcar?"  Great pictures guys, the Wolverine sub is neat, I thought it might be Wolverine but I couldn't positively ID it until you confirmed it. John, who made the tin truck.  I have not seen one like it before. 

OK here are some more "loads"  All on a Lionel 211 Standard Gauge Flat:

A Japanese cement mixer, carries the mark "sss Japan" but I have no idea what company "sss" might be.  Little small by comparison.

An English delivery truck labeled "Superior Express" , I believe this was actually a biscuit (cookie) tin as it is very inexpensively made and carries no country of origin or mfr label ( hence not likely imported to US officially). Simple sheet metal pressings with lithographed detail.  Unlike the cement mixes which is made up of many, even moving, parts.

Fun in the morning !!

Don

@Don McErlean

SSS plain by itself  is thought to be SSS International Quality Toys from Shoji in Japan

If the SSS is in a globe with a band , it is then Shioji/Shiogi-Shoten in Osaka

Japanese trademarks are a mine field LOL!

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

POC914NUT posted:

The box probably isn't nearly as exciting as what is inside...lets see it already! Lol

I think I will need an engineering degree to unpack this animal😱

Been almost a month since I got this. Just got it out of the shipping frame and serviced it. Tests good, all the electronics seem to work. Dug out the passengers cars from my Iron Monarch set. Perfect match. Smaller than the correct presidential cars, but they look good.

Steve

FATMAN:  It was definitely "sss" by itself, no band or globe.  Very tiny, hard to see, in fact I missed it for quite some time.  When I put the truck in OGR forum I went over it with a magnifying glass to try and see any maker's marks and that is when I saw the "sss".  Thanks for the info.  I will assume that it is your first statement, SSS International Quality Toys, from Sohji, Japan

Thanks again

Don

ID's here:   http://tinplatetoys.blogspot.c...se-tinplate-toy.html

I made these with those  Japan push tin toys I used lionels cheapie  cabooses frames fit on perfectly and added the. air brakes. thinking of adding interior lights  .daniel

John Smatlak posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

navy.seal posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

I’ve had this mocked up for some time. Need to get it finished.

steve

 

Steve,

LOVE IT!!!    Reminds me of the Lionel O gauge submarine car I had as a kid.

 

Bob Nelson

Bob, that was my inspiration. I made one in O a few years ago and someone wanted it REALLY bad so I sold it.

Steve

Here's my flat car load- a tin toy truck on an Ives standard gauge flatcar; fits quite nicely!

Very Nice @John Smatlak !! First, I happen to have that ABC freight trailer- which is totally awesome looking- and also quite large. That big trailer fitting quite nicely on a single flatcar just demonstrates how awesomely, incredibly large standard gauge trains are! Very, Very cool looking layout

A meeting of two O gauge legends- a Marescot French-made Etat Pacific of 1928 and the Lionel scale Hudson of 1937. The Marescot Pacific is something I got recently, so I brought it to our monthly club gathering and another member brought his scale Hudson. Quite a treat to see the two of them together. The Marescot is indeed a beautiful model. As I understand it, these were produced by Robert Marescot in 1928, who is credited as being the pioneer of the "fine scale" model in O gauge. After 1928 Fournereau continued production of his line of trains, creating some wonders of their own. This loco has the "RM Paris" maker's mark underneath (Robert Marescot, Paris), which I understand is the means of differentiating the Marescot production from that of Fournereau, who I understand also produced versions of this model. A video is included of the engine running, enjoy!

John Smatlak posted:

A meeting of two O gauge legends- a Marescot French-made Etat Pacific of 1928 and the Lionel scale Hudson of 1937. The Marescot Pacific is something I got recently, so I brought it to our monthly club gathering and another member brought his scale Hudson. Quite a treat to see the two of them together. The Marescot is indeed a beautiful model. As I understand it, these were produced by Robert Marescot in 1928, who is credited as being the pioneer of the "fine scale" model in O gauge. After 1928 Fournereau continued production of his line of trains, creating some wonders of their own. This loco has the "RM Paris" maker's mark underneath (Robert Marescot, Paris), which I understand is the means of differentiating the Marescot production from that of Fournereau, who I understand also produced versions of this model. A video is included of the engine running, enjoy!

 

Your Marescot is in very good condition and running! Nice find. Surprisingly the picture shows the Marescot is higher than the Lionel, must be the scale difference, Marescot used 1:43. The Marescot is nice to scale such that it looks also very good with scale cars instead of Marescot or Fournereau cars.

Regards

Fred

sncf231e posted:

John Smatlak posted:

A meeting of two O gauge legends- a Marescot French-made Etat Pacific of 1928 and the Lionel scale Hudson of 1937. The Marescot Pacific is something I got recently, so I brought it to our monthly club gathering and another member brought his scale Hudson. Quite a treat to see the two of them together. The Marescot is indeed a beautiful model. As I understand it, these were produced by Robert Marescot in 1928, who is credited as being the pioneer of the "fine scale" model in O gauge. After 1928 Fournereau continued production of his line of trains, creating some wonders of their own. This loco has the "RM Paris" maker's mark underneath (Robert Marescot, Paris), which I understand is the means of differentiating the Marescot production from that of Fournereau, who I understand also produced versions of this model. A video is included of the engine running, enjoy!

 

Your Marescot is in very good condition and running! Nice find. Surprisingly the picture shows the Marescot is higher than the Lionel, must be the scale difference, Marescot used 1:43. The Marescot is nice to scale such that it looks also very good with scale cars instead of Marescot or Fournereau cars.

Regards

Fred

I was going to make a similar comment about the clear difference in scale.  Very nice machine you have there!

John Smatlak what an incredible find, the pictures and video of your Marescot Pacific are terrific.  I will be the first to admit that this thread has introduced me to a number of new European lines of trains that I never had even seen before, thanks to all.

As an aside, I could not help but notice in the background of your photos of the two engines that on your club's layout are some interesting litho tinplate structures and tinplate trains.  One of the little structures, I believe, is a Flyer pre-war No 93 Town Depot that I just managed to find at our local (Texas) train show and am about to "adopt" onto my layout but your club's lay out has others.  Perhaps you might ask the club to post some pictures of their layout.  Thanks

Don

Nice Marescot John, they are not so easy to find in very good condition. Now here are the cars from Marescot you will have to find.... he made also a third class one, similar but with one more window.

The name WERY under the baggage car is the name of the shop who sold them around 1928.

Very Best,  Daniel

Just returned from a train buying vacation to Texas.  Here is an unusual American Flyer 1218 engine in green with red lettering.  Have never seen any of these engines with red lettering, other than the orange 1218 engines.

The red lettering on green background does not seem to have enough contrast to be readable, so possibly that is why this does not appear to be a common variation.  The more typical variation is green with yellow or gold lettering.  

Here are some of the more typical variations with gold and yellow lettering.

NWL

Just checked "Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Prewar O Gauge" and they do not list any such variation for the 1218.  The only variation that even lists red rubber stamping states that the body color was "yellow or orange".  The only green bodied variant is listed with yellow rubber stamping...So you may have indeed found a new variation. Congratulations.

Don

Don McErlean posted:

Just checked "Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Prewar O Gauge" and they do not list any such variation for the 1218.  The only variation that even lists red rubber stamping states that the body color was "yellow or orange".  The only green bodied variant is listed with yellow rubber stamping...So you may have indeed found a new variation. Congratulations.

Don

I have learned over the years that the Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Prewar O Gauge book is lacking in a lot of ways.  The book is good, but only as good as the information that was reported.  There are a number of variations that have been found since the book was published over 20 years ago.  Such is the nature of American Flyer.

NWL

NWL :  I know that you are right!  I have found things that don't seem to be covered and in addition while Greenberg  is reasonable on the trains and cars it does  not touch structures such as stations etc which we know exist. 

As a quick example, Greenberg lists the 513 coach and 515 observation as only having a "green roof and green and black trim"...I have two 513 coaches and a 515 observation and they have RED roofs... lithographed so they could not have been repainted...sitting just over the desk at which I am sitting right now in my display case. 

Unfortunately, at least in my "library" it is the best I have, I sometimes get better data from O'Brien but most of this stuff is old.

Do you know of a more authoritative reference or web site ... if so could you post it.  Thanks. 

Anyway, regardless of Greenberg, you have found a cool loco !!

Don

John Smatlak posted:

A meeting of two O gauge legends- a Marescot French-made Etat Pacific of 1928 and the Lionel scale Hudson of 1937. The Marescot Pacific is something I got recently, so I brought it to our monthly club gathering and another member brought his scale Hudson. Quite a treat to see the two of them together. The Marescot is indeed a beautiful model. As I understand it, these were produced by Robert Marescot in 1928, who is credited as being the pioneer of the "fine scale" model in O gauge. After 1928 Fournereau continued production of his line of trains, creating some wonders of their own. This loco has the "RM Paris" maker's mark underneath (Robert Marescot, Paris), which I understand is the means of differentiating the Marescot production from that of Fournereau, who I understand also produced versions of this model. A video is included of the engine running, enjoy!

A tinplate club!? Where is it? BTW that is one beautiful engine!

Don McErlean posted:

NWL :  I know that you are right!  I have found things that don't seem to be covered and in addition while Greenberg  is reasonable on the trains and cars it does  not touch structures such as stations etc which we know exist. 

As a quick example, Greenberg lists the 513 coach and 515 observation as only having a "green roof and green and black trim"...I have two 513 coaches and a 515 observation and they have RED roofs... lithographed so they could not have been repainted...sitting just over the desk at which I am sitting right now in my display case. 

Unfortunately, at least in my "library" it is the best I have, I sometimes get better data from O'Brien but most of this stuff is old.

Do you know of a more authoritative reference or web site ... if so could you post it.  Thanks. 

Anyway, regardless of Greenberg, you have found a cool loco !!

Don

Please post pictures of your 513 and 515 cars with red roofs.  They sound interesting.  I am guessing there is no green on the car?

As for a better reference or website for American Flyer Prewar O gauge, there really is none.  I have just acquired a vast knowledge of Flyer O gauge after collecting it for over 35 years.  There are a few friends I network with to share knowledge with or call if I have questions.  I also have a vast inventory of advertisements and paperwork, which help to fill in some of the holes that are not covered by the Flyer catalogs.  

NWL

Will posted:

John Smatlak posted:

A meeting of two O gauge legends- a Marescot French-made Etat Pacific of 1928 and the Lionel scale Hudson of 1937. The Marescot Pacific is something I got recently, so I brought it to our monthly club gathering and another member brought his scale Hudson. Quite a treat to see the two of them together. The Marescot is indeed a beautiful model. As I understand it, these were produced by Robert Marescot in 1928, who is credited as being the pioneer of the "fine scale" model in O gauge. After 1928 Fournereau continued production of his line of trains, creating some wonders of their own. This loco has the "RM Paris" maker's mark underneath (Robert Marescot, Paris), which I understand is the means of differentiating the Marescot production from that of Fournereau, who I understand also produced versions of this model. A video is included of the engine running, enjoy!

A tinplate club!? Where is it? BTW that is one beautiful engine!

You mistake tinplate club as the club having its own layout, as opposed to a tinplate club that meets at various clubmembers' homes.  I recognize the place and have been there a couple of times.  After following John's postings, I am going to have to make sure I meet him the next time I make one of the club meetings Los Angeles.

NWL

DanssuperO posted:

 

I made these with those  Japan push tin toys I used lionels cheapie  cabooses frames fit on perfectly and added the. air brakes. thinking of adding interior lights  .daniel

Hey that looks great ! Do you remember where you got the trolleys from ?

NWL :  Here are the pictures of the 513 Observation and 515 Coach with the red roofs.  You were correct there is "No Green" anywhere  on the cars. 

Here is the side view, other side is identical.  I do have a second coach but it is the same as this one so I didn't include it.

I think these are about the least expensive passenger coaches Flyer made , my data (also from Greenberg) says manufacture between 1925 -1929

Here is the end view.  The non-platform end of the Observation is exactly like that of the coach except it has 513 over the door. Both cars state..."Made in USA" in the lithography just under the number in the first portion of the yellow section. Another interesting feature is that cars are tab/slot (or more like tab / hoop) couplers but the tab coupler on the observation swivels as it is connected to the floor via a rivet.  The couplers on the coaches are fixed although the hole for the rivet is present in the floor. I expect that the hoop provided sufficient side to side motion to allow the cars to go around a curve.   I have seen these referred to as "Hummer" type cars although they were introduced somewhat later and are slightly longer. I have always assumed they were pulled with a Hummer type 3 mechanical loco.

Their method of manufacture is interesting to me as an engineer.  The entire car except the floor , axles , and wheels is one piece of lithographed sheet metal.  This one piece of sheet metal includes the observation platform on the observation car, it is  not a separately added piece.  Obviously lithographed flat then folded (like Origami) to make the car.  Tabs are folded into slots in the floor to fasten the car to the floor.  The journal boxes are part of the upper sheet and simply hold the axles via being positioned well in from the end of the axle.

Anyway there they are ... Red, Yellow, Black (no Green)  enjoy!

Don

Don McErlean posted:

NWL :  Here are the pictures of the 513 Observation and 515 Coach with the red roofs.  You were correct there is "No Green" anywhere  on the cars. 

Here is the side view, other side is identical.  I do have a second coach but it is the same as this one so I didn't include it.

I think these are about the least expensive passenger coaches Flyer made , my data (also from Greenberg) says manufacture between 1925 -1929

 

Here is the end view.  The non-platform end of the Observation is exactly like that of the coach except it has 513 over the door. Both cars state..."Made in USA" in the lithography just under the number in the first portion of the yellow section. Another interesting feature is that cars are tab/slot (or more like tab / hoop) couplers but the tab coupler on the observation swivels as it is connected to the floor via a rivet.  The couplers on the coaches are fixed although the hole for the rivet is present in the floor. I expect that the hoop provided sufficient side to side motion to allow the cars to go around a curve.   I have seen these referred to as "Hummer" type cars although they were introduced somewhat later and are slightly longer. I have always assumed they were pulled with a Hummer type 3 mechanical loco.

Their method of manufacture is interesting to me as an engineer.  The entire car except the floor , axles , and wheels is one piece of lithographed sheet metal.  This one piece of sheet metal includes the observation platform on the observation car, it is  not a separately added piece.  Obviously lithographed flat then folded (like Origami) to make the car.  Tabs are folded into slots in the floor to fasten the car to the floor.  The journal boxes are part of the upper sheet and simply hold the axles via being positioned well in from the end of the axle.

 

Anyway there they are ... Red, Yellow, Black (no Green)  enjoy!

Don

 

Actually, those cars are described as versions B & C under the 513 & 515 descriptions.  They are fairly common and they are poorly described in the Greenbergs guide.  

NWL :  Well you got me there...my version of the Greenberg Prewar Flyer book (1987 ) has no B or C versions of these cars listed, just the green roof ones in a 3 line entry.    So maybe someone has updated the data in a later version.  Anyway given their low cost at the time of manufacture I would expect them to be fairly common. 

Don

Don McErlean posted:

NWL :  Well you got me there...my version of the Greenberg Prewar Flyer book (1987 ) has no B or C versions of these cars listed, just the green roof ones in a 3 line entry.    So maybe someone has updated the data in a later version.  Anyway given their low cost at the time of manufacture I would expect them to be fairly common. 

Don

Don,

I have not looked at the 1987 edition in years.  The guide was updated in the late 90s (I think in 1997), with that version having a blue cover showing a 1096 engine.

NWL

Picked up this 229 from 1941 off of FB for a whole $12. Missing the pilot truck and has a chunk of a cab corner missing, but I can fix that. Someone had totally fubared the E Unit so I had to swap that out with a good spare.Runs like new. Needs a tender then it can go to work pulling tinplate.

Got this little beauty from Mrs. Z for Christmas,  just got it unboxed today.  

Combo roll, break, shear.   I have lots to learn,  but hopefully by next Christmas I can be pulling some nice looking homemade cars around the tree!

Picked up a car I have been eyeing for a long time with gift card from work for service award.

Joe Gozzo

jhz563 posted:

Got this little beauty from Mrs. Z for Christmas,  just got it unboxed today.  

Combo roll, break, shear.   I have lots to learn,  but hopefully by next Christmas I can be pulling some nice looking homemade cars around the tree!

Now that will be a fun toy!!!!!!!!  How thick can it bend?  I have a cheapo Harbor Freight  18" one and you have to put C clamps on it just to bend .015" Brass lol

Dennis Holler posted:

jhz563 posted:

Got this little beauty from Mrs. Z for Christmas,  just got it unboxed today.  

Combo roll, break, shear.   I have lots to learn,  but hopefully by next Christmas I can be pulling some nice looking homemade cars around the tree!

Now that will be a fun toy!!!!!!!!  How thick can it bend?  I have a cheapo Harbor Freight  18" one and you have to put C clamps on it just to bend .015" Brass lol

Its meant for 20 gauge, which is thick enough.  I will have a ton of learning to do.  It took a little adjusting out of the box to get the shear lined up and the guide square to the shear edge.  It seriously needs bolted to a workbench, which will have to wait for now.  The only real concern is that its built to handle 8" wide material, which is a little short for most o gauge projects.  That being said, its really cool.  I tried it on a piece of extra stock I had and am very pleased.  This should make for some fun projects.

Robert S. Butler posted:

Steve, I agree they are nice - so you have 4 down and 5 to go.   They look nice with the AMT Santa Fe units but those units are painted in freight colors.  Since AMT did make the offering of the cars with the idea that you might want to provide your own head end power I took them up on that idea.  I have an MTH A-B-A Alco set to pull them. It does a good job of pulling and the engines and the cars make for a very colorful consist.

...Just to give you an idea of the visual impression...

Oh yes - the remaining cars are: 

#4170 Baggage

#5260 Combine

#3160 Coach

Indian Scout 

Diner

Down to only needing one. Anyone have a spare 5260 Combine.

Steve

NWL :  Thank goodness for Amazon.  Based on your post 1/21/2020 I went hunting for another American Flyer Prewar O'gauge book circa 1997 and indeed I found it, ordered it (used $39)  and it arrived today!  Wow you were right this version really does have a lot more data and more color pictures from the 1987 version I had before.  Now I can find more data on all the Flyer freight / passenger cars I happen to have (nothing likely too valuable or rare but just things I have picked up over the years because I love tinplate).  I will post some more pictures next weekend, maybe this time get it right!

Thanks again for the info

Don

Don McErlean posted:

NWL :  Thank goodness for Amazon.  Based on your post 1/21/2020 I went hunting for another American Flyer Prewar O'gauge book circa 1997 and indeed I found it, ordered it (used $39)  and it arrived today!  Wow you were right this version really does have a lot more data and more color pictures from the 1987 version I had before.  Now I can find more data on all the Flyer freight / passenger cars I happen to have (nothing likely too valuable or rare but just things I have picked up over the years because I love tinplate).  I will post some more pictures next weekend, maybe this time get it right!

Thanks again for the info

Don

Don,

Glad I could help.  The 1997 version is not perfect, but as you indicated, it has more information than the earlier version.

NWL

Guys!!! I did a thing!!! 

Look closely! 

Now I can Hafner with Marx and Marx with Hafner! 

Steamwolf: Got it, a gon with Marx on one side and Hafner on the other.  I know that works because I have a Lionel - Marx plastic pickle fork gondola so I can haul my plastic freights with my Lionel loco's. Works well and it increases the fun!

Regards Don 

Love it when big boxes show up. Four new 390’s. Unfortunately only one for me. Another box of 392’s coming soon. The locos we have been running at the museum for 4 years during the holidays now have hundreds of hours on them and are getting tired. Being as nothing is being made we decided to stock up while we can.

Steve

This was delivered today and waiting for me when I got home.  Purchased off the Bay from the UK, this 1930s(?) Hornby Windsor platform with ramps is a future restoration project.  83cm / 33" overall length.  I normally wouldn’t repaint but given the poor condition of this example, I will embark on rust removal, straightening and painting.  I will take my time to find good colour matches.

O Gauge Guy posted:

This was delivered today and waiting for me when I got home.  Purchased off the Bay from the UK, this 1930s(?) Hornby Windsor platform with ramps is a future restoration project.  83cm / 33" overall length.  I normally wouldn’t repaint but given the poor condition of this example, I will embark on rust removal, straightening and painting.  I will take my time to find good colour matches.

Its only ever original once

I would dress that up with accessories , luggage, porters trolleys etc 

British Rail Platforms were seldom pristine lol ... thats just showing the love and mileage of the years

Fatman posted:

O Gauge Guy posted:

This was delivered today and waiting for me when I got home.  Purchased off the Bay from the UK, this 1930s(?) Hornby Windsor platform with ramps is a future restoration project.  83cm / 33" overall length.  I normally wouldn’t repaint but given the poor condition of this example, I will embark on rust removal, straightening and painting.  I will take my time to find good colour matches.

 

Its only ever original once

I would dress that up with accessories , luggage, porters trolleys etc 

British Rail Platforms were seldom pristine lol ... thats just showing the love and mileage of the years

I have to say that if I was going to leave it unrestored, I would chosen a better example.  There's quite a lot of rust.  However I very much respect the view of not changing the original character of an item and will give this ample consideration!

looks like the rust is mainly on the fence. maybe just restore those instead of the ramps?

I have an alternate view of rust. I detest it, and it is my mortal enemy. Remember, it’s not just a coating. It is a parasite that is slowly eating your toy. It will destroy it ever so slowly and look for other hosts to attach itself to. It should be our sworn duty as keepers of these ancient toys to destroy the enemy. 

I like Dave’s idea to restore just the fence. EvapoRust is your friend. Also, is the screw original? Make sure it is compatible with the metal. Corrosion and rust are best friends. Incompatible metals start corrosion.

George

Fatman posted:

 

Its only ever original once

 

Sometimes I wish we could down vote certain posts...

How about “When it’s gone, it’s gone?”

George

George S posted:

I have an alternate view of rust. I detest it, and it is my mortal enemy. Remember, it’s not just a coating. It is a parasite that is slowly eating your toy. It will destroy it ever so slowly and look for other hosts to attach itself to. It should be our sworn duty as keepers of these ancient toys to destroy the enemy. 

George

I have many toys already for more than 40 years which had some rust when I bought them; they still do have the same amount of rust, so if you keep your toys in a good environment they will not be destroyed at all (well, not in my life-time). And removing rust, or still worse, repainting, should be done only for items which should otherwise be thrown in the bin. 

But of course you should do what you like and I do what I like with my toys. Discussions on ancient toys with historical value which should be kept are spoiled on me.

Regards

Fred

Guys. Won’t get in on the paint/no paint argument. However in regards to Fatman’s comment on loading up the platform, O’GaugeGuy did you know that Hornsby actually made little lithogtaphed luggage. About 1” square and maybe 1/4” thick lithographed with details like shipping labels and travel posters. Apparently the “threw” them into sets as extras. I have a pristine M-1 goods set that contained 2 such suitcases. Each one carried the Hornby Series Name right in the litho so I know they are genuine,  would be cool to stack these on the platform painted or not. 

Regards. Don

sncf231e posted:

George S posted:

I have an alternate view of rust. I detest it, and it is my mortal enemy. Remember, it’s not just a coating. It is a parasite that is slowly eating your toy. It will destroy it ever so slowly and look for other hosts to attach itself to. It should be our sworn duty as keepers of these ancient toys to destroy the enemy. 

George

I have many toys already for more than 40 years which had some rust when I bought them; they still do have the same amount of rust, so if you keep your toys in a good environment they will not be destroyed at all (well, not in my life-time). And removing rust, or still worse, repainting, should be done only for items which should otherwise be thrown in the bin. 

But of course you should do what you like and I do what I like with my toys. Discussions on ancient toys with historical value which should be kept are spoiled on me.

Regards

Fred

Maybe I am exaggerating a little. I have some cone top beer cans though, that the rust has eaten holes through. If you gently clean and wax the rust, you can potentially retard its expansion. Certainly, keeping in a good environment will help.

However, once there is rust on a toy, and this platform has a lot, it is really a candidate for restoration. It is no longer in original condition. I don't even understand that argument. It didn't have rust when it was new. Now, we can debate when something should be left alone. When is new paint better than rust? I likely have several litho pieces with a little rust on them. Trying to remove the rust will destroy the litho. So, you need to weigh the benefits. For painted tin with a lot of rust, I advocate stripping the paint, using EvapoRust to completely get rid of the rust and then restoring the paint. On this item, it looks like you just need to do the fence, not the platform. The platform should clean up with soap and water. 

George

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Love it when big boxes show up. Four new 390’s. Unfortunately only one for me. Another box of 392’s coming soon. The locos we have been running at the museum for 4 years during the holidays now have hundreds of hours on them and are getting tired. Being as nothing is being made we decided to stock up while we can.

Steve

Out of that huge box, this is all that’s mine.

Steve

Wow Steve, that is really depressing - a box that size and all you get is one little, beautifully painted, fine running, great looking, locomotive and tender - you should report this gross injustice to someone somewhere!    Great looking mill.

Robert S. Butler posted:

Wow Steve, that is really depressing - a box that size and all you get is one little, beautifully painted, fine running, great looking, locomotive and tender - you should report this gross injustice to someone somewhere!    Great looking mill.

Figured I better not get carried away. Have 2 big boxes on the Fed X truck from Waterman.
I wanted this because I’ve never liked the looks of the 400E with my Blue Comet. It looks too big.

Steve

Steamer posted:

looks like the rust is mainly on the fence. maybe just restore those instead of the ramps?

After looking at the supplemantary pics provided I thought exactly the same

But I thought I was in enough trouble with my original statement and was ducking

( of Course it is also your piece to do what you like with , not what some Aussie Lump says )

Hornby also had advertising to go on that nicely repainted fence

such as

For years I've read about early Marklin signals operated with compressed air; recently I added this interesting semaphore to my collection. To my amazement it still works! What I'd like to learn more about is the air pumps and related control mechanisms that Marklin made for these; I've included two photos I found on the internet of a signal control box (which I gather is also a pump?), but would welcome more info from someone more familiar with them. Neat stuff!

Fatman posted:

Steamer posted:

looks like the rust is mainly on the fence. maybe just restore those instead of the ramps?

After looking at the supplemantary pics provided I thought exactly the same

 

But I thought I was in enough trouble with my original statement and was ducking

( of Course it is also your piece to do what you like with , not what some Aussie Lump says )

Hornby also had advertising to go on that nicely repainted fence

such as

A few quick replies Fatman:

-  I like the Hornby advertising signs.  Thanks for the photos.

-  Agree most of the rust is on the fence and I will repaint just the fence initially

-  It’s my intention to buy a matching Hornby station when the right one comes along. These were manufactured with several different platform colours.  This provides another reason to leave the platform colour as is for the present in case I want to match it later.

-  When I see an old tinplate item for sale that’s been restored, I often think “What a pity. I might have bought it if has been left unmolested.”  However I never feel this way about an item I’ve re-painted myself.

-  I'm in Australia as well

... and to DON MCERLEAN, yes I've seen the lithographed luggage.  Thanks for reminding me.  I think I know where I can get some.  I already have some 1930s station platform items such as the ticket machine and labelling machine from my dad.  This photo was taken off the internet and these are not my own items.

John Smatlak posted:

For years I've read about early Marklin signals operated with compressed air; recently I added this interesting semaphore to my collection. To my amazement it still works! What I'd like to learn more about is the air pumps and related control mechanisms that Marklin made for these; I've included two photos I found on the internet of a signal control box (which I gather is also a pump?), but would welcome more info from someone more familiar with them. Neat stuff!

Very nice one, great condition for a 110 years ago piece. the signal control boxhas a pump mechanism in to allow control of two accessories. they are not easy to use as with age then tend to be dry and you have to change some old leather and rubber parts.

Here is a video of working models in France.

Daniel

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

John Smatlak posted:

For years I've read about early Marklin signals operated with compressed air; recently I added this interesting semaphore to my collection. To my amazement it still works! What I'd like to learn more about is the air pumps and related control mechanisms that Marklin made for these; I've included two photos I found on the internet of a signal control box (which I gather is also a pump?), but would welcome more info from someone more familiar with them. Neat stuff!

Very nice one, great condition for a 110 years ago piece. the signal control boxhas a pump mechanism in to allow control of two accessories. they are not easy to use as with age then tend to be dry and you have to change some old leather and rubber parts.

Here is a video of working models in France.

 

Daniel

Thanks Daniel- and what an amazing video! I hope that locomotive survived to run another day!

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Robert S. Butler posted:

Steve, I agree they are nice - so you have 4 down and 5 to go.   They look nice with the AMT Santa Fe units but those units are painted in freight colors.  Since AMT did make the offering of the cars with the idea that you might want to provide your own head end power I took them up on that idea.  I have an MTH A-B-A Alco set to pull them. It does a good job of pulling and the engines and the cars make for a very colorful consist.

...Just to give you an idea of the visual impression...

Oh yes - the remaining cars are: 

#4170 Baggage

#5260 Combine

#3160 Coach

Indian Scout 

Diner

Down to only needing one. Anyone have a spare 5260 Combine.

Steve

Steve- coulda swore there’s one currently on eBay but it’s for $135. It might’ve been a B&O though. 

The 5260 combine was the second AMT I bought. Wish I could help you out but instead of having 2 combined they had two 3160 coaches, otherwise I’d lend a hand. That said, I’m sure you’ll find one soon. What are you going to use to power the consist?

I realize it’s been awhile but I did happen to come across some neat stuff recently:

Bing PRR #41(?) Caboose? In decent shape just missing the roof. Bing 10/515 dumping car- also in good shape besides a rust spot along the on me side. Finally, Bing again, I believe #10/580 4 wheel Milch-Wagen. Like it a lot and had my eyes on it for a while. which I like because it’s tbe first other Bing train I’ve bought- besides my very first- too have the auto couplers(pictured below). The snug together better than any couplers I’ve ever come and because they’re riveted the motion is nice and smooth.

Better shot of Bing dumpcar and the milch-Wayne.

Another reason I like this guy? it’s the first Bing train I’ve bought- besides my very first!- too have the auto couplers(pictured below). Once they couple- wow. I mean, looks good, its not going to come undone, not too much “vertical slack”- aka not too much up and down but there’s enough for some realism. They just move together so smoothly when going down the tracks as opposed to some other tinplate couplers.    Still, I love the sound of Tin on the track

First Bing rolling stock with a “The Bings Miniature Railway System” on the top of the back in which “Bing” is plural. End of year goal- one in each font and letter combo!

this next piece bothered me at first- the ubiquitous 1679 Baby Ruth box car by Lionel Lines. Why was I bothered ? Because I ordered an “Ives RR Lines” version- b/c I like seeing the physical Ives/Lionel overlap and I would’ve liked to set it side by side with the Lionel one I already own. That said, this guy is in awesome shape(way better than the on I have) and I got over half my money back, and I’ll find the Ives version soon enough.

this picture my own work: the guy in the red jacket and the porter as well as the luggage/carts next to them. I started painting figures for the first time about a month ago and really enjoyed it and found I’m rather decent at it!

next that little tiny house- it’s actually from a Bing OO table top accessory. It was on eBay listed as “HO”. well, last time someone put Bing “HO”, I jumped because it looked too big and indeed it was a small O gauge guard shack. No such luck this time. Still, interesting piece to have and I found the platform to which it belongs.

added another Corgi diorama(on the left) I like how these 2 just fit together(but I believe that was the intention). This one is of Nazi’s surrendering(figures are neat with Nazis running with their hands on their heads)

while only in the”60-70 year old range” bought these 10 authenticast figures for $13 and was refunded shipping so it ended up being ten. Regardless- awesome shape. The”Eire” is marked on the bottom as is common with some of these figures after production site was changed. Regardless, all in great shape and fit very well with any modern o scale figures(size wise)

the current state of my layout as I expand - I’m getting there! But still a lot to be done.

StevefromPA posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Robert S. Butler posted:

Steve, I agree they are nice - so you have 4 down and 5 to go.   They look nice with the AMT Santa Fe units but those units are painted in freight colors.  Since AMT did make the offering of the cars with the idea that you might want to provide your own head end power I took them up on that idea.  I have an MTH A-B-A Alco set to pull them. It does a good job of pulling and the engines and the cars make for a very colorful consist.

...Just to give you an idea of the visual impression...

Oh yes - the remaining cars are: 

#4170 Baggage

#5260 Combine

#3160 Coach

Indian Scout 

Diner

Down to only needing one. Anyone have a spare 5260 Combine.

Steve

Steve- coulda swore there’s one currently on eBay but it’s for $135. It might’ve been a B&O though. 

The 5260 combine was the second AMT I bought. Wish I could help you out but instead of having 2 combined they had two 3160 coaches, otherwise I’d lend a hand. That said, I’m sure you’ll find one soon. What are you going to use to power the consist?

For now, I'll use a Marx tin 21 AA,

Steve

Stevefrompa - the Bing catalog number for your caboose is 525/43/0. Now that you have the PRR with the lithoed wood siding I would presume your next goal would be to find the PRR caboose with lithoed metal sides...

John Smatlak posted:

For years I've read about early Marklin signals operated with compressed air; recently I added this interesting semaphore to my collection. To my amazement it still works! What I'd like to learn more about is the air pumps and related control mechanisms that Marklin made for these; I've included two photos I found on the internet of a signal control box (which I gather is also a pump?), but would welcome more info from someone more familiar with them. Neat stuff!

I had no idea these existed. Maybe you just blew into a little hose?

Not in the best of shape, but will do until I find a better one

Picked this one up a few weeks ago.  A 7010 engine, which would be a Montgomery Ward's special engine from American Flyer, c. 1929-1930.  I had one, but its paint was not as nice as this one.

NWL

Robert S. Butler posted:

Stevefrompa - the Bing catalog number for your caboose is 525/43/0. Now that you have the PRR with the lithoed wood siding I would presume your next goal would be to find the PRR caboose with lithoed metal sides...

Thank you for providing the item number- that’s the one I needed. Must say I like the metal siding more, and that’s after 1.) not usually running a Caboose and 2.) not thinking I’d like the wood siding version ha. Regardless, I like that red a lot! Will it be my next Bing buy though? There’s so many great tinplate European Prewar toy train manufacturers- Basset-Lowke, Hornby, Jep, Märklin, Bing, Liebmann, Distler, I couldngo on and on. Unfortunately, my health has precluded me from attending some recent shows and I hope I can get to Allentown(20min drive) for Spring thaw

on another note- what the heck did I buy here? It’s a “3 in 1” train set with built rite cardboard buildings

I found a boxed photo. It sai(I think) D.P.M.G a.n.g. On the side. And had a “GW” logo on front for the road name. 

Also- anyone know anything about this KBN wind-up I bought(yet to arrive)? year? Was it with a set?. For some reason it caught my eye

Your assistance in shedding any light/historical info on these items would be greatly appreciated !

Nation Wide Lines posted:

Picked this one up a few weeks ago.  A 7010 engine, which would be a Montgomery Ward's special engine from American Flyer, c. 1929-1930.  I had one, but its paint was not as nice as this one.

NWL

Wow, NWL- that is an absolute beaut of an electric. Thegold vents and green paint blend fantastically. Like that it says “Motor 7010”- considering it’s from the “transition era”, Ives labeled their engines up to 1925 with a stamped “Motor 32..” and then went to brass plates, and it looks like Ives print. All this is totally out of my own noggin which isn’t working the best right now but still there’s some resemblance. That’s a great pick up, to say the least

@StevefromPA Pretty sure your clockwork set is a Heinrich Wimmer ( HWN ) / Distler from after the war when factories were sharing stuff and supplying to other places to onsell the GW could refer to Galvanik Weimar ...

Distler sold pretty much the same loco with "Choo Choo " on the tender

I have found your set on ebay currently and its the "GW Construction Train Set " listing # 222229570645

Ths was cool as it came with the ability to interchange the load the train was carrying either a passenger or freight box could be placed on the flatcar with tabs

The Bub is def from the early 20's in my limited opinion ?

Steve, the Bub loco appears to be one of the combination clockworks they sold for both the European and American markets. A cowcatcher slid over the buffers on the front depending on where the set was sold.

The HWN set and boxtop. The log car on the box is actually inaccurate as you can see from the set. The flat car with the logs is covered when you add the passenger car shell, so the 3 in 1 set is single cars behind the tender depending on which option of the three you choose. The renderings of a 4-car set are totally inaccurate (unless you had a second set).

Here is another item I picked up a few weeks ago.  Its condition is better than most I have come across.

The engine came with a set of Milwaukee Road litho cars and would date to c. 1925.

NWL