I have plans to attend my 1st York this spring and was wondering whether I should carry cash, credit, or both? Wasn't sure if many vendors there had credit machines or not as I don't typically like carrying larger amounts of cash. Any insight would be appreciated.
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If you are planning to visit the member halls, bring cash. Few, if any table holders in the member halls take credit cards. Some take checks, others don't.
In the dealer halls the larger dealers take credit. I am not certain about the smaller ones.
I almost always pay cash, even in the dealer halls.
Cash is King rite now everywhere..!!!
Depends on how much you are planning to buy.
Bring cash. (credit OK for many dealers, but they may alter the price if paying by CC so they don't take a hit on the fee they need to pay if you use CC)
Don't depend solely on the ATMs on site (historically they run out), though I did note there were more of them last meet, so maybe that is better now. Can't say for sure since I've never tried to use one.
-Dave
I would bet more dealers are accepting credit with the availability of Square terminals for smartphones. You should bring cash, but I haven't seen folks walking around with briefcases full of it.
Bring more cash than you think you need. Sometimes you need it, sometimes you don't.
I always presume that there's one or more people with more cash than I have in my pocket, so I dont worry too much about it. I typically start off with $100 bills because they make the wallet thinner, and leave whatever spare small bills that were already in there in case I need to pay to pee.
You may want to find the location of your bank in York before you go. This way, if you need a lot of cash for a unexpected purchase, you won't have to depend on the 2 on-site money machines not running out. I usually take $300., and spend about $150.. Your mileage may vary.
Joe Hohmann posted:You may want to find the location of your bank in York before you go. This way, if you need a lot of cash for a unexpected purchase, you won't have to depend on the 2 on-site money machines not running out. I usually take $300., and spend about $150.. Your mileage may vary.
That's a good point. One of the few benefits of having your accounts at one of the largest banks is that they likely have locations nearby. There's a somewhat close Wells Fargo near the Weiss food market at the intersection of 30 and Roosevelt.
I noted other ATMs in I think the Silver/Blue lobby and also maybe in Purple in October.
-Dave
Regarding cash: I have always brought as much money as I have budgeted to spend, mostly in larger bills.
For many years, I had no problem spending it all.
For the past few, I came home with most of it.
I have never run a balance on a credit card to buy a train.
Most dealers (not all) will "cover" the sales tax if you pay with cash. Take plenty of cash. Before deciding on method of payment, negotiate a fair price and then ask if they can do better for cash. If it's going to be the same price regardless of payment method, whip out the credit card and get the points.
Regarding ATMs... I haven't used the ones at the meet, but I expect that there's a "convenience" charge. Also, although I don't consider York to be particularly dangerous, I don't think I'd feel comfortable using an ATM outside of the fairgrounds.
Almost all dealers take credit cards, a few don't. With the devices that work with smart phones now, taking cards is simple.
Boilermaker1 cracked me up, addressing the one thing l hate about York. Back in the Billy Budd tent days, l had to find a bank for a cash advance Them were the days. No need, lately.
It depends on what you are looking for. Older stuff is in the member halls. Bring cash. new/newer stuff is in the dealer halls. Credit cards are OK. CC usually cost more due to CC fees and Sales Tax.
Since it is your first time at York, Bring about twice as much as you think you need.
George
I bring credit cards and checks for train items and cash for food vendors.
I don't like carrying cash around with me, if a vendor will not take my card or my check, there are plenty of others that will. There are more train items at York than I can bring home with me. If someone won't sell to me it's off to the next vendor. Even if I miss out on something I'd really like, it comes up again eventually. But in 30 years of attending York Meets, I only missed out on an item once because I didn't carry cash. But guess what? I did get that item at a later date from another source.
But beware! You can miss out on an item if you think about it too long. If you see something you want, grab it, it most likely won't be there later. Although most of my purchases happen on Saturday!
Bring Cash and lots of it. Since this is your first time to York I would advise also bring comfortable shoes for walking.
Everyone always says, "wear comfortable shoes" at York. Do you also have uncomfortable shoes? If so, where do you wear them? Church? When you want to stay awake? Other?
Everyone always says, "wear comfortable shoes" at York. Do you also have uncomfortable shoes? If so, where do you wear them? Church? When you want to stay awake? Other?
Work?
I'm putting cash back and should have a good chunk as per my budget I put together for York. Was thinking of bringing 1 credit card for unexpected something if needed, and have planned to get new shoes several weeks prior to have them broken in where I like them. I need comfy shoes daily with all the walking I do for work. Thanks for the advice I'm sure as we get much closer I will have more questions.
Bring cash. Lots of it. It never fails that when you finally find that gem it's cash only.
Rod Miller
I always feel a little but miffed/used/taken advantage of, when, after the deal is done, someone writes a check instead of asking first. Maybe that's not right, but I expect cash when selling at a show.
I am suggesting NOT to wear new shoes. Getting to York, PA at 9:00 am on Friday back in April 2016 and going warp speed I was only able to cover three halls. I got a lot of great deals and ran out of cash more than once. You going to spend more than you budgeted for trust me.
I always feel a little but miffed/used/taken advantage of, when, after the deal is done, someone writes a check instead of asking first. Maybe that's not right, but I expect cash when selling at a show.
You can always tell them that you don't take checks, and cancel the deal.
Roy, I agree.
During negotiations, I always add the word "cash" to the end of the sentence when stating my bottom line on bigger ticket items.
My justification is that I usually recycle my sales income back into train purchases before the end of the meet - so a check doesn't really help me.
As others have stated, it's a different world in the member halls where you are dealing with private individuals, not businesses. IMO that is where the best deals are.
Those who limit themselves to just the dealer halls (orange and purple) may have the advantage of using their credit cards there, but they miss out on some really neat stuff. It's not all old stuff either. You see lots of like-new modern products in the member halls also.
Jim
Very simple answer. Sit down at your kitchen table and calculate the most insane dollar figure you are willing to spend on trains at York. Multiply that number by 2. Take that much money in cash. You do not want to have to stop and go get cash from an ATM or from a bank you have to locate and drive to. Also take all the credit cards you have, just in case you run out of cash.
Leave some of the money hidden in your car. Take a mixture of small bills 20s, 10s, 5s and 1s in a wad in your front right pocket. Put the remainder of the cash in 50s and 100s in the left front pocket. Pay with correct change when you are in a hurry to see the next table. Pay with a large bill when necessary to get change for the right front pocket. Park in a central location to most of the halls. I like to be between the black hall and the blue hall. As you go from hall to hall stop by the car to reload with more money. You can also use these fleeting moments to reflect on just how crazy you are spending this much money on trains. Or how smart and disciplined you are for controlling your spending urges. If you run out of money, then use your credit cards to get more cash. You can also use this time to think about how much money you have spent that you had no intention of spending.
At the end of the York show, if you took too much money then you are still just fine. No harm done, good learning experience. If you don't take my advice and end up wasting time trying to get money or find a bank or whatever, then you can use that as a learning experience as well. If you find that you spent all of the cash you took, then, well, you may need some therapy and we are all here to help you.
All have pretty much said it. Bring Cash. Lots of it. Do NOT rely on the ATMs on the Fairgrounds. In my experience (about 10 years of Yorking) the ATMS are usually drained on Thursday PM and never re-stocked. You can re-deposit when you get home.
I usually go Friday. Get there when the doors open. I make it through every hall, every aisle twice. I really don't need anything else nor is there much out there I really want. I know what I'm looking for and watch like a hawk. No screwing around - I want to make the most out of it!
At the York Meet, abandon all discipline. Discipline is overrated anyway. It's soooo much easier to give in and spend all you want.
"Eat, drink, buy trains and be merry for tomorrow we may be dead. "
I buy everything over $50. with a check at York. If you are a long time member anyone will take your check. If I have a problem with an item that I bought, I have a tracer. I always get there TCA number.
Saturday is sales day especially in the member halls. Cash talks and many have signs willing to deal, signs with 50% off everything, etc.
I vividly recall a member in the red hall begging me to buy his MTH veranda proto 1 that he had on his table for $400 on Thursday and down in $50 increments the next 2 days. He begged me to take it for $275. We settled at $260. He just did not want to take it back to New Orleans.
He and I were both happy.
Dear Ted
Congrats on your fine purchase. However, I would not gamble like that when you have so many customer wanting to purchase at reasonable price. I have read too many threads where they walked away from an item and returned and it was gone. When I saw a KW for $40 at the members hall and walked passed it. I did go back a few mins later and it was still there. I moved the handles and felt that the carbon roll was not rolling but scraping against the winding of the transformer. I purchase it on the spot and I purchased all the parts I need to rebuild it the Orange hall.
Extra good deals on Saturday? I'd say all bets are off with the anticipated storm of people coming from the general public.
If opening the show to the public is successful, the character of the show will not be the same, at least as far as the dealer halls are concerned.
I have used cash, check, and cc - all with no problem. I always discuss how I would prefer to pay before the transaction and get the vendors OK.
Kris,
I was not looking in particular for a veranda having the Lionel die cast version already. It just so happened to still be there on Saturday calling my name. Usually if there is something I want and see it there, I do not hesitate as I know the outcome of snoozing at York too many times.
Ted
Dear Ted
Very well said, you stated correctly about York you snooze you lose
How about debit cards? Do the major vendors in the dealer halls accept debit cards?
Cash is King at York. Take the debit along only to visit the ATM.
nvocc5 posted:Cash is King at York. Take the debit along only to visit the ATM.
Kris,
I have cash as per usual, but I acquired a number of debit cards when I switched to Directv. So I'm hoping do make some purchases with them as well.
Dave45681 posted:Bring cash. (credit OK for many dealers, but they may alter the price if paying by CC so they don't take a hit on the fee they need to pay if you use CC)
Don't depend solely on the ATMs on site (historically they run out), though I did note there were more of them last meet, so maybe that is better now. Can't say for sure since I've never tried to use one.
-Dave
However I believe you get hit with a sur charge both from the ATM machine and your bank especially if out of town or banks service area.
But I could be wrong as things may be different than when I used one years ago, and HAD to pay the fees or do without cash for repairs (and jerk wouldn't accept credit card).
nvocc5 posted:Dear Ted
Very well said, you stated correctly about York you snooze you lose
I second that, we came home with York allocated money to spare (yeah I know obviously we weren't looking hard enough for the "must have" items though wife and I found almost 99% stuff on our shopping list, and spent next two days browsing for "might be nice or look nice on layout" items.)
rrman posted:Dave45681 posted:Bring cash. (credit OK for many dealers, but they may alter the price if paying by CC so they don't take a hit on the fee they need to pay if you use CC)
Don't depend solely on the ATMs on site (historically they run out), though I did note there were more of them last meet, so maybe that is better now. Can't say for sure since I've never tried to use one.
-Dave
However I believe you get hit with a sur charge both from the ATM machine and your bank especially if out of town or banks service area.
But I could be wrong as things may be different than when I used one years ago, and HAD to pay the fees or do without cash for repairs (and jerk wouldn't accept credit card).
Well I was planning to use the debit cards in the same was as you would use them in any store. I can't use these cards to get cash out.
At ANY kind of show like this, bring cash and plenty of it. You can’t count on vendors accepting credit cards (or among those who do having their system up and running as the cell connections can easily go down for no apparent reason).
Many people won’t take checks, and you shouldn’t get your pants in a twist in such a case. I won’t accept checks at any type of show I’ve sold at, except in the cases of people I know VERY well personally.
Every time I go to a show like this (or a gun show), I’m reminded of the knuckleheads I keep hearing declare that cash is dead. There’ll ALWAYS be a need for cash as there’ll always be people who won’t use electronic means, or don’t have a working system when you need it. I tell people like this, “Flea markets” when the subject comes up. Everyone knows what I mean when I say this as it shows you’ll always encounter some situation where cash is the only thing that’ll work.
Dear NCDAVE
Leave Directv debit cards at home and bring cash and lots of it. Think about what you think you are going to spend then triple it, that should be the right number.
p51 posted:At ANY kind of show like this, bring cash and plenty of it. You can’t count on vendors accepting credit cards (or among those who do having their system up and running as the cell connections can easily go down for no apparent reason).
Many people won’t take checks, and you shouldn’t get your pants in a twist in such a case. I won’t accept checks at any type of show I’ve sold at, except in the cases of people I know VERY well personally.
Every time I go to a show like this (or a gun show), I’m reminded of the knuckleheads I keep hearing declare that cash is dead. There’ll ALWAYS be a need for cash as there’ll always be people who won’t use electronic means, or don’t have a working system when you need it. I tell people like this, “Flea markets” when the subject comes up. Everyone knows what I mean when I say this as it shows you’ll always encounter some situation where cash is the only thing that’ll work.
P51
Since I have always used cash at York, and will continue to do so. I'm sure TrainWorld, Charles Ro etc accept credit cards. But will they accept a debit card too. That's the question. You are 100% correct cash is king at York.
ncdave posted:I'm sure TrainWorld, Charles Ro etc accept credit cards. But will they accept a debit card too. That's the question. You are 100% correct cash is king at York.
Sure, they’ll accept credit cards if the system is up and running. I was once at a gun show where something happened to the cell signal and suddenly none of the commercial vendors could accept credit/debit cards.
Systems go down. Heck, my wife and I were at a high-end restaurant last month and their credit card system went down (oddly, the ATM on site worked just fine). Who carries over hundred bucks in cash daily? We sure don’t. Thankfully my wife carries one check with her just in case something like this happens with a commercial vendor.
I’d sure hate it if someone found what they’d long been looking for at a show, only without a way to pay for it because the cell service or credit card server somewhere went down…
At the Big E there are a couple vendors who still do credit cards the old-fashioned way, with an imprint of the card on a 2 part paper form, the way it was originally done years ago (that's why credit cards have the raised numbers.) For them, there is no system to fail, but everything must be entered manually after the fact.
rrman posted:Dave45681 posted:Bring cash. (credit OK for many dealers, but they may alter the price if paying by CC so they don't take a hit on the fee they need to pay if you use CC)
Don't depend solely on the ATMs on site (historically they run out), though I did note there were more of them last meet, so maybe that is better now. Can't say for sure since I've never tried to use one.
-Dave
However I believe you get hit with a sur charge both from the ATM machine and your bank especially if out of town or banks service area.
But I could be wrong as things may be different than when I used one years ago, and HAD to pay the fees or do without cash for repairs (and jerk wouldn't accept credit card).
And that would be the reason I've never tried to use one. I had an ATM card when I was away at college in the early to mid 90's out of necessity (didn't have a car to get to a local bank branch).
The way the ATM fees "evolved" as I was in school soured me enough on them that I vowed I would never have a debit/ATM card again. When I got the card my Freshman year, it was all good, if you went to any machine with the NYCE logo (New York Cash Exchange - have no idea if that means anything for ATMs anymore), there were no fees charged for using the card. You had to pay some sort of fee (maybe a dollar or so at the time - pretty sure back then the concept of paying 2 fees had not been invented for most transactions) if you went to something not part of NYCE or another bank, etc.
That was great as there were several NYCE machines on campus and the local supermarket for me to use. Towards the end, the only free transactions were if you were at the actual bank for which your account was at (to which I said, if I have to go to a specific bank, I may as well go inside to deal with a human teller!).
{generic ATM rant off}
Back to the topic, use Cash for most things at York. If your home bank has branches in York, do research and look up their locations on line before you go so you can get more cash if you run out.
PLCProf posted:At the Big E there are a couple vendors who still do credit cards the old-fashioned way, with an imprint of the card on a 2 part paper form, the way it was originally done years ago (that's why credit cards have the raised numbers.) For them, there is no system to fail, but everything must be entered manually after the fact.
I've got a card where they did away with that feature over the last few years, probably because those machines are not terribly abundant at this point in time. 
-Dave
Guys,
Thanks for all of your help and suggestions. I will be taking cash to York as per usual. I also will be taking my debit/gift cards too. I can't imagine in this day and age that the larger venders in the Orange hall wouldn't accept one for payment. Heck I can use a debit card to buy a pack of gum at the corner gas station. I'd also be willing to bet that if I walked into their brick and motar store and payed with a debit card there would be no problem. If they don't then they have lost a sale as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks again,
Dave
By the way, There are no Bank of America,s in York, strange but true!!
Paul Edgar
Paul Edgar posted:By the way, There are no Bank of America,s in York, strange but true!!
Paul Edgar
Paul,
Thanks for the info. BofA doesn't seem to have many branches in PA at all. When I go back to the Pittsburgh area to visit family the closest one is in downtown Pittsburgh. Not very convenient.
Dave
Use the debit/credit cards to pay for your gas, food, and room. Most of the vendors that will take debit or credit will discount for the amount of tax if you pay with cash.
ncdave posted:Paul Edgar posted:By the way, There are no Bank of America,s in York, strange but true!!
Paul Edgar
Paul,
Thanks for the info. BofA doesn't seem to have many branches in PA at all. When I go back to the Pittsburgh area to visit family the closest one is in downtown Pittsburgh. Not very convenient.
Dave
If you go to one of the many WaWa stores (our version of 7-11), there is no fee on their money machine, but you will still be charged by your bank (unless your bank is PNC).
Cash is King…!!!
Joe Hohmann posted:ncdave posted:Paul Edgar posted:By the way, There are no Bank of America,s in York, strange but true!!
Paul Edgar
Paul,
Thanks for the info. BofA doesn't seem to have many branches in PA at all. When I go back to the Pittsburgh area to visit family the closest one is in downtown Pittsburgh. Not very convenient.
Dave
If you go to one of the many WaWa stores (our version of 7-11), there is no fee on their money machine, but you will still be charged by your bank (unless your bank is PNC).
Try to stay away from Rutters ATMs for now, several in York and Lancaster Counties have been found with skimmers attached. They've made a few arrests but better safe then sorry.
Jerry
baltimoretrainworks posted:Joe Hohmann posted:ncdave posted:Paul Edgar posted:By the way, There are no Bank of America,s in York, strange but true!!
Paul Edgar
Paul,
Thanks for the info. BofA doesn't seem to have many branches in PA at all. When I go back to the Pittsburgh area to visit family the closest one is in downtown Pittsburgh. Not very convenient.
Dave
If you go to one of the many WaWa stores (our version of 7-11), there is no fee on their money machine, but you will still be charged by your bank (unless your bank is PNC).
Try to stay away from Rutters ATMs for now, several in York and Lancaster Counties have been found with skimmers attached. They've made a few arrests but better safe then sorry.
Jerry
Jerry, Thanks for the heads up on Rutters.
Dave
You'd think they would remove the skimmers. In fact they probably have by now.
I have never really gone to York to Buy, as My Local Hobby Shops take good care of me, I just go to see all the folks in the Hobby. If I were going to buy specific Engines, Cars, etc, I would recommend Lots of Cash, as this will help in getting the best price. Also, a good credit card.... As I have been told by many members from past trips, The Last Day, Saturday, is usually Bargain Day. The first Day, is the best time to find Rare Gems, that will be sold Almost Immediately when the Doors Open.....So, go for Fun, Go to see the Most Trains in one Location, which is 2nd to none, Go for one of the Best Times of Your Life...Enjoy Your Trip to York....
I am one of those dealers that still fills the card receipts out by hand and I just hope the card is good. In 15 years I have never been cheated.
I don't go to your but other shows I always take cash. If not enough then I shouldn't spend it. I most always deal in cash when shopping. Funny to see how eager a dealer is when you are holding cash in your hand. I carry protection, too.
jim pastorius posted:I carry protection, too.
Curious to know what this means.
The people that I know who carry protection are very quiet about it.
If members are carrying guns into the meet, we have big problems.
Cash cash and more cash.
The one thing that is accepted at every table/booth.
eddie g posted:If members are carrying guns into the meet, we have big problems.
Why?
I suggest we move off of the topic of guns, lest this thread disappear.
The topic is a hot button political issue.
Nobody is going change another person's mind.
jim pastorius posted:I carry protection, too.
Ribbed?
I know it won't change anyone's deep-seated beliefs, but I always try to do so using this clever saying:
"When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."
Guns ?? I was talking about breath mints.
eddie g posted:If members are carrying guns into the meet, we have big problems.
Why? It's not illegal (assuming that one has a license from PA or a state with reciprocity). I feel safer in the company of responsible gun owners. And I trust my fellow TCAers more than the "security" guards.
Re the ATM fees - lots of banks now waive the fee if you use another bank's ATM. Check with your bank. But bring lots of cash anyway.
Why? It's not illegal (assuming that one has a license from PA or a state with reciprocity). I feel safer in the company of responsible gun owners. And I trust my fellow TCAers more than the "security" guards.
I am certain the retired cop who shot a man over using a cell phone during the previews in a movie theater was considered a responsible gun owner.
C W Burfle posted:The people that I know who carry protection are very quiet about it.
It's hard to beat your chest and be quiet about it.
MartyE posted:C W Burfle posted:The people that I know who carry protection are very quiet about it.
It's hard to beat your chest and be quiet about it.
Sure, but the guys that aren't beating their chest are the ones we're talking about.
I was at the Chicago show last weekend and used my card. The vendor ran out of the forms for his imprinter so he simply wrote the info on a slip of paper and had me sign it. I know the vendor so there is no worry about him.
Dick
jim pastorius posted:Guns ??
That reminds me, 2,000 table show at Oaks PA this Friday-Sunday.
BobbyD posted:jim pastorius posted:I carry protection, too.
Ribbed?
You can wear them inside out if you are selfish. 
gunrunnerjohn posted:eddie g posted:If members are carrying guns into the meet, we have big problems.
Why?
Its sad when we have to bring guns to a train show. The day we were attacked, we lost our freedom, and now they have won the war.
A train show with 2,000 tables, or a gun show with 2,000 tables?????????
eddie g posted:A train show with 2,000 tables, or a gun show with 2,000 tables?????????
No trains at Oaks Expo Center this weekend, just guns and orchids:
http://www.phillyexpocenter.co...-24-calendar-details
-Dave
C W Burfle posted:Why? It's not illegal (assuming that one has a license from PA or a state with reciprocity). I feel safer in the company of responsible gun owners. And I trust my fellow TCAers more than the "security" guards.
I am certain the retired cop who shot a man over using a cell phone during the previews in a movie theater was considered a responsible gun owner.
If you're certain about that, then you certainly haven't spoken with many owners of firearms. (Actually, you have spoken with a lot of responsible owners, you just didn't know it.)
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