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Does anyone know of a compilation of Lionel S-gauge locomotives up through the present*?  I believe that Bob Bubeck's 2012 book was the last such compilation - besides the listing of most S-gauge products in the Greenberg Pocket Price guide that comes out every year.  The problem with the latter is simply that the listing is by catalog or item number - which is fine for trying to find info on a single item.  But suppose you wanted to know how many versions of the 4-8-4 were done (and what the differences might be).   In fact, that is one of the questions I had as I was involved in the recent Cabin Fever auction of S-gauge locos and rolling stock.  There were two (as I recall) versions of the FEF (post ACG) 48047 and 48054 (from 2006) listed, but I couldn't recall how many versions of the FEF were done after that.  It was mostly academic, as those two locos rapidly exceeded the price I was willing to consider paying (I did manage to spend some money on other items).

I did look at the NASG website, which is usually pretty comprehensive, but under Lionel 4-8-4, they only list the four locos from 2016-17, #s 47950-53**.  Actually, I just now looked at the Gilbert Gallery  - https://www.thegilbertgallery....ngines-Northern.html - which says that ACG produced 13 variations of the FEF and Lionel did either 18 or 19 (one page sez 18 and one sez 19).  In fact, this site has pictures of most of the different versions - at least the different versions by year.  So maybe I've partially answered my own question.  I'll have to go back and study that site in greater detail, as I thought he had stopped with just ACG products (apparently not).

Incidentally, the aforementioned auction contained a 21140 version (ca 1960) with a price, the last time I looked, that was headed north of $5k!  Mustabeen a few collectors lurking!

*obviously, such a listing or listings doesn't have to stop with just locomotives or, for that matter, just what Lionel produced...  Still, the only listing that I know of is the pocket guide from Greenberg, which covers more than just Lionel (I know, there is the question about how "accurate" the prices are...).

** the NASG site claims that these are all plastic - is that right??

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<snip>  I believe that Bob Bubeck's 2012 book was the last such compilation - besides the listing of most S-gauge products in the Greenberg Pocket Price guide that comes out every year.  The problem with the latter is simply that the listing is by catalog or item number - which is fine for trying to find info on a single item. <snip>

Which is precisely why the TM guide is organized in the fashion it is. By category and variation.

Bob

As the NASG's webmaster, I welcome any updates/corrections for the site. With today's update, I will fix the error of flagging the Lionel models as "plastic". We currently have just shy of 12,000 items listed in the NASG web site's Product Gallery. Since taking over managing that web site almost ten years ago now, I have spent quite a bit of time updating that listing from the 200 or so entries it had when I took it over. As you can imagine, this process takes quite a bit of time. I have been spending most of my time (when devoted to this section of the site) to just the entries that people have made me aware of.

Ted Hamler provided me with a lot of the ACG information, but that has stopped since his disappearance.

The Lionel product line is very large, and I admit that I have not taken the time to add all of their products to the site. I used to do that when they released a new catalog, but for the past X number of years, they produce a catalog but then decide NOT to manufacture one or more items from that catalog some time later. Since I only want to list those items that were commercially available at some point in time, I have to wait until I find out that the product was actually manufactured. I don't always discover that, and so I forget to add their items to the listing.

It is my full intention to have every single engine and piece of rolling stock ever produced in S listed on the site. But, while it, currently, is not 100% complete, what is there may still be a valuable resource. If you have a photo of a model listied on the site (or one that is missing), I am always interested in posting your photo (with proper credit). I always prefer modelers' photos over manufacturers' photos (especially for manufacturers such as Lionel and MTH that simply "photoshop" a model; I want to see photos of the actual model produced!).

Anyway, for those who are reading this and don't know what we are talking about, please follow this link:

https://www.nasg.org/Gallery/index.php

Enjoy,

- Peter.

@richs09 posted:

Hi Bob - any plans to release an updated version of the TM guide - a lot has happened in 9 years...

Never say "never', but not likely. Pocket guide sales are less than they used to be. TM has not done a guide (Lionel or Flyer) in some time. In my case, revising and updating the TM AF guide is a fairly serious effort with the addition of additional ACG variations and new entries (trains and paper), a conscientious consideration of current pricing, scarcity, listing of new Lionel production with color notations, and listing set contents with individual item numbers. We don't just add some new items, tweak some prices, and slap a cover on it every two years.

Thank you sincerely for your inquiry and past patronage. Hope that you are enjoying the 2012 edition.

Bob

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Peter - I can only imagine the time and effort it takes to try to update the NASG website.  I have used that site a fair amount and overall it certainly has improved over the years (by 'improve' I mean that additional content, etc. has been added...). I was a bit surprised to see that several of the post ACG (meaning Flyonel) versions of the 4-8-4 were not listed - as I noted in my original post.

Also in my original post, I cited the Gilbert Gallery website, run by Bob Graves.  In looking further at his site, he has listed many post ACG products - in many cases - with pictures.  If you haven't already, you might consider reaching out to him regarding providing pictures and information for locos and rolling stock that aren't currently included in the NASG website.

- Rich

Thank you for your feedback, Rich. I appreciate that, and I am glad you find the NASG web site useful.

Yes, part of the reason for not taking the appropriate amount of time to update the ACG and the Lionel items is precisely because of Bob's fantastic site. I believe Bob and I communicated several years ago, but I don't remember the specifics. I actually recently got another e-mail from someone wondering if some sort of "merging" could happen. I will contact Bob and see where we can take it from there.

- Peter.

@Bob Bubeck posted:

Never say "never', but not likely. Pocket guide sales are less than they used to be. TM has not done a guide (Lionel or Flyer) in some time. In my case, revising and updating the TM AF guide is a fairly serious effort with the addition of additional ACG variations and new entries (trains and paper), a conscientious consideration of current pricing, scarcity, listing of new Lionel production with color notations, and listing set contents with individual item numbers. We don't just add some new items, tweak some prices, and slap a cover on it every two years.

Thank you sincerely for your inquiry and past patronage. Hope that you are enjoying the 2012 edition.

Bob

Apart from the long tedious time to update it, would it be possible to make it an electronic guide for people to buy rather than a hard copy?

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