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I am insane, but then, in one way or another, everyone I know is insane, just not institutionalized. Having a lifetime project is the general idea. I'll do it until the eyes and hands give out. I have no idea how these metric jeweler's sizes compares to English. I even have some miniature taps that I bought from MicroMark years ago that I've never used because I don't have matching dies. I'll keep experimenting with this jeweler's set to see if I can produce something that works. I went on Google to actually find the tap drill and o.d. of these sizes, but didn't succeed...yet.

I think you're right. Besides, there's a lot of folks that should go before obsessive model builders.

 

I finished the MV disconnects today and epoxied them to the gantry. Before doing that I masked the upper works to leave them natural metal when I spray the whole deal sky gray. I then started building the chain link fence. Dennis Brennan first has you build the jig that will align all the pieces. While the standoffs on the jig were drying I painted the substation site "earth tan" and generously sprinkled "earth" on top. Earth on my railroad is Woodland Scenics fine brown ballast. I know some folks really use dirt, but I'm not going to impose on the other person that lives in this house to let me use the oven to bake out all of the organics likes you're supposed to do. After I lay down the "grass, etc." the brown ballast is not conspicuous.

 

Here are the MV disconnects setting up. I'm glad I checked them before coming upstairs. Two of them had flopped over. The epoxy wasn't set yet so I was able to stand them back up.

 

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This is the jig plate for the fence building. Screws and nuts go into the holes that clamp and position the vertical and horizontal fence members. I put a granite surface plate on top to hold these wooden standoffs while the Aleen's glue dried. That's the surface plate standing up behind the jig.

 

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Lastly, here's the site getting ready to accept the substation.

 

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Little by little, the layout's bed rock is being covered over with land and life.

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I appreciate all the compliments, and especially for my project management skills. While I was technically a "training director" in my professional life, I managed many large projects, made extensive use of MS Visio's Gantt charing capability, and took pride in logically organizing the steps. While I don't go as far to do gantt charting for my modeling projects, I unconsciously lay out the steps in the same logical fashion. As I noted several times before, part of the fun of scratch-building is that what-you-do-before-what is entirely up to you. I love big plastic models with 500+ pieces and the great instruction books that accompany them, but I also love the challenge of figuring all that on my own. 

With all the computer stuff out of the way, i first had to do a couple of home projects. The first was repairing the Corian kitchen sink. It had some dings and small knife point cuts that come from occasionally dropping stuff when washing dishes. I did some research on it and got nowhere. So I thought about it for about a year and decided last night to do something about it. First I bleached the dark color out of the small cuts using Clorox in a syringe. I dried it and then mixed some epoxy and micro-balloons filler. I used the filler mainly to turn the filler white. I thought about using CA, but realized that it doesn't hold up in hot, soapy water. Which is why you can't fix china with CA if it's going to be used and put in a dishwasher. After curing all night, I sanded the epoxy down using 180, 320 and 600 grit sanding sticks. They're now almost invisible.

 

Then I replaced all the packing and bearings inside out Kohler faucet that was leading around the stem's base. I had replaced o-rings on this two years ago and at the same time obtained a complete rebuild kit from Kohler. It was leaking badly so it was time to rebuild it with the kit. No more leaks.

 

Then it was down to the shop. I epoxied the MV breaker to its base and while it was curing started construction of the chain link fencing. Brennan's kit has a jig that uses strategically placed 1/4" holes which get 1/4" nut and screws. At first, having not actually read the first couple of paragraphs in the instructions, thought the fence rods went under the screws. Nope! They drop into the aligned slots on the screw heads. 

 

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I'm cutting the mild steel rods using a Xuron hard wire cutter. It cuts mild steel like it was butter. I then square the end up with a cut off wheel in the Dremel flex-shaft held in the Pana-vise. I found it a bit more challenging than I expect to solder the rods together using the RSU. It has difficulty applying heat to both pieces at the same time. If I grip the parts diagonally across the joint so the current flows through both pieces, it pushes them out of alignment. I may have to revert to an iron for this job. We'll see.

 

Once the epoxy cured on the MV breaker it was time to paint the breaker and gantry. 

 

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I also added insulators and did some minor detail painting (plus adding a logo). I also added insulators to the gantry and with that, all operating apparatus is complete.

 

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The last thing I did today was paint the "concrete" bases and the parking pad concrete color.

 

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I can't glued anything down just yet. I want to drill all the fence post holes in the drill press first, then I can glue everything. I think I'll put in the gravel before running the bus wiring since it will be easier to get into things without wrecking the wiring. We're getting close now. I suspect the job will be done before we head Back East for the Holidays.

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This looks soooo real!  It is reminding me of work twenty years ago.  Very early in my career I was in technology and software at (W)-ABB, but as I time passed in ABB I realized you had to be in "big steel" to get anywhere in the company - (I often joked that the company did not understand products unless you could paint them).  I moved to the product divisions in 1990 and both enjoyed it more and had more success - too much it turned out - everyone wants to be at the top or the org chart with the corner office but its the most boring job in the world.  That's why I retired early from it and did something else.  The fun jobs are out in the field with equipment like this . . . not in a conference room with spreadsheets and powerpoint presentations.  

 

Fantastic work . . . 

I've been lurking here, very interesting, inspiring work. Reminds me of helping Gramps make some pressure/temp gauge parts (rod/arms).

 

Lee, now you know why some folk just like to paint everything. I think you must have got reverse Tom Sawyer-ed in a way. Oh well, just think about the $tacks of fun you have today though.  

We are absolutely on the same page! As I moved up the training management ranks I missed the field more and more. My best job was the first one in industry where I was working directly with the folks on the factory floor, both training and solving processing problems. The more academic the training became the more I became less enthused. I had to be persuaded to do management training. While it was a great professional boost in both rank and $$$, it was significantly less fun to a hands-on person like I am. Now, when I'm in the shop almost every day, I am the happiest that I've ever been. Any pressure I feel is self-imposed.

 

I'm even getting used to the MAC. To copy on Windows, you use the CONTROL KEY which is the lower left corner of the keyboard. To copy in MAC you used the OPEN-APPLE KEY which lies next to the space bar. Every time I copied yesterday my little finger jabbed at the FN key and nothing happened, then I hit the right one. It will take 21 days. When I moved to Germany they gave me a laptop with a German keyboard. Besides having the German accent keys in regular places, they also reverse the position of the Z and Y. The Y is rarely used in German. My real name is Myles. I was typing MZLES for 21 days before my fingers re-learned the new pattern. Then when I got back to the USA, I was again typing MZLES for about 3 weeks. Very annoying!

 

Boy... Have I digressed! It's morning and I'm not in the shop yet. When I go I will post again.

I suspect you were saying "Crud" not "crude"... Likewise.

 

Got into building the fence. Much more challenging than I would like. I first tried the RSU, then switched to the Weller iron with a broad tip and then quickly back to the RSU. Getting the pieces fit was not too difficult. Soldering them the first time was not too difficult either. But when i was attempting to clean up the joints with the sanding sticks, things got dicey. Butt jointed solder joints with thin mild steel rods are not very strong. If the joint got flexed, nine times out of ten, it let go. The joints would be much stronger if they were silver brazed, but I don't have the equipment. They would also be stronger if one bar lapped over the other, but that's not how Brennan's design works, nor is it how the prototypes are built. So I soldered, and re-soldered, and re-soldered again. Making it more challenging is the length of the long side of the substation is 24" which is twice the length of the assembly fixture. So I had to join one finished section to another and keep it going. The first long section is almost done with one more bay to construct. I'm not looking forward to joining sections at the corners since it's soooooo easy to de-solder the adjacent bar while trying to do the next one.

 

This is the first panel I completed before the middle brace bar at the terminal post on the left.

 

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Here's the second panel attached to the first, with the 2nd panel in the fixture. I have one line post to install on the right end and then the corner post. The last bay is shorter than the rest to fit the base plate properly.

 

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I use weights to hold the bars steady while applying the current to the RSU. As I was moving along the solder joints did get better. If the solder doesn't flow properly right away, it probably won't be a good joint. The RSU can make the metal very hot, very fast which is good as long as the solder flows. If it doesn't, the flux oxidizes and the joint becomes resistant to soldering. It's all about timing. It will take a couple more days to construct the full perimeter. The fencing is bridal tulle and there are eyebolts to hang gates.

 

I'm also learning more and more about the MAC. I found that you can do all the picture editing I'll ever need right in the Photo Previewer. I don't need Corel PhotoPaint any longer which is good since Corel doesn't make a MAC version and I don't feel like springing for the Adobe suite. Speaking of Adobe, you can no longer buy the software, you must rent it for $10 a month through their cloud. Since I'm a hobbyist and not using it professionally, I really don't like having a perpetual $120/yr fee to edit photographs.

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Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

Oh wow!  Now you really ought to do an article about how you build that fence.  Brilliant idea.  Maybe only a few people will every build a substation, but a fence.  EVERYONE wants to build a fence.  You really should think of doing an article. 

I second Lee's suggestion.  That is a slick jig Brennan includes.  I agree, I would have thought the screws were to hold down the material, but placing it in the slots is slick.  Sounds like one must hone his skill and have the patience of Job to build this kit.  

Thank you once again for the documentation.

 

Also, that is pretty slick how you fixed the dings in the sink.  I never knew what to do about it.  Now I don't have to worry.  My in-laws installed a stainless double sink when they had the kitchen remodeled a few years before my father-in-law passed away.  Then my mother-in-law sold us the house.  I like the stainless sink.

I'm writing articles for O'Scale Mag on the entire sub-station project. I've submitted three parts so far and have been paid for one. I'll include the Chain Link Fence too. Needless to say, unless I have more luck with it, I may not want to publicize it at all. This is a typical event:

 

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If this happened once, it happened 20 times! I spent over two hours on Friday breaking and re-soldering one joint after another. As I noted before, a butt joint with 3/64ths steel rod using soft solder is a recipe for disaster, and disaster struck over and over again. I was trying to position it over the base board to mark the post locations, drill some holes and see how it would look. Every time it flexed a little bit, some joint would let go. Sometimes it was just a cross-member, other times, like the above, it was whole chunks letting go. Finally I got it to stay together long enough to get it on the base. I enlarged the mounting holes so I wouldn't have to put any undue pressure on the fence to get it in. I think I inject Gorilla Glue with a syringe once I'm ready to mount it for good. Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane and expands quite a bit when cured. It would fill up any gaps.

 

Here's the raw fence on the first (long) side of the base. It's that 24" length that caused most of the troubles.

 

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I tried a couple of different ways to get the solder onto the joint. First I was feeding it from a very fine 60/40 wire, with mixed results. Then I cut chunks of non-lead plumber's solder and put a chunk on top of the joint, hit it with the RSU tweezers and waited for the joint to get hot enough to flow the solder. This worked, but it was frustrating to get the solder to stay still just sitting on the junction. Finally, I started wrapping the cross-members with the fine solder which holds it in place long enough to melt. This method seems to be working okay. Because of the small surface area of the butt joint, you have to build up a pretty large fillet to gain some more strength. The RSU gets the joint so hot, so quickly, that if the solder doesn't flow right away, the joint starts to oxidize badly even with the liquid flux.

 

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If this was jewelry shop, which it ain't, I'd try and laser-weld that joint. That would be the way to do it. If not, silver braze it with a micro-torch. But soft-solder just isn't so strong. If I could make cross lap joints in the steel and multiply the surface area that could work too, but would represent an inordinate amount of work. Dennis Brennan's instructions call for it this way so somebody out there must be successful.

 

Frankly, I'm not sure what I'm going to do at the corners. Wires at 90° will have to join the same post AND you won't be able to use the fixture since one leg will be sticking straight up in the air. I know that as soon as I get one side on the other will let go... that was happening all day. I'm almost tempted to cheat and have double posts at the corners. Again, if there were lost wax cast sockets (like the prototype) that the rods could seat into, soldering would go much faster. Also, I'm almost tempted to make the whole thing out of brass anyway. It would be much easier to solder. It all gets painted with primer and then finish color so the color of the metal is moot. It would take over 25 linear feet of brass rod to do it. I could still use Brennan's fixture.

 

One of the values of writing this treatise each session is it gives me time to think, and the more I think about it, the more I'm going to try to use cross lap joints instead of the those butt joints for the bottom rail. The top rail is continuous so it's stronger.

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Flaws and all, your fence is looking better than any I have built.  I will follow this with interest but frankly may not follow you in building it: there are some things that are just so dang difficult to do that it is not worth doing it (in my opinion) more than necessary.  I've done cheap-shot chain link fences that looked good enough from a few feet away that I left them on the layout.  I think I will just avoid putting chain link close up to the edge of the layout where someone can see the flaws.  What you are oging through looks quite time consuming and frsutrating, frankly. 

 

Good luck with it though.  Great work, as always.  

 

And fantastic about the articles!

I do not recommend trying to make fence sections longer than the jig. I have tried it and the section is too unwieldy. As noted in my instructions, to cover an area longer than the jig (12"),  separate complete sections should be carefully fit-butted up next to each other without soldering. The same is true for corners. The prototypical design allows for this without resorting to double posts where the sections abut.

 

As far as soldering,  I'm not a soldering expert and the instructions assume you've never done anything like this previously. If you follow the procedures that I've laid out, one should have no problems. Having said that, Trainman is correct about butt joints being delicate. That's precisely why an individual section should not be any longer than the jig. There are trade-offs when it comes to designing a prototypical chain link fence. Patience is required, however, the end result is an extremely realistic model that will stand up to close scrutiny. 

 

 

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Dennis Brennan and I spoke on the phone last night about the challenges I was facing in soldering the steel frame for the Chain Link Fence. I really appreciated that he personally answered an eMail I sent him requesting some help. He's a pleasure to work with!

 

I continued to evolve my technique and have been grinding a small radius so the rod nests into the other piece. This greatly increased surface area and made a much stronger joint.

 

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I've also gone back to the Weller Soldering Station set at #4 with a wide tip. I found that the RSU was unable to heat all of the joint elements at the same time and therefore, caused very poor solder flow. I've also gone back to using the TIX flux, and feeding solder from the spool. The above pic was the last time I used the "solder-wrap" method.

 

While I was doing this, grandsons were over for nice long work session. #1 grandson is building a 1:350 Trumpeter USS Hornet in Jimmy Doolittle configuration. He's doing this kit while waiting for the replacement Hasegawa F-22 Raptor decals to come from Japan. And #2 grandson did several things including adding vegetation to the area around the substation site, re-doing and adding ballast around the train station, and then we broke open the box holding my Westport Modelworks fire house kit that I bought from Les Lewis at York many years ago.

 

I hadn't started this model because some of the resin walls were badly warped and I just wasn't sure how to approach it. Today, grandson and I worked out a plan and he executed it. We're CA'ing Plastruct structural parts left over from the bridge building projects. The "I" and "H" beams had enough stiffness to pull the resin nice and flat.

 

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For the long walls we did the same thing. In the pic below, you can see where we had to rip off the side pieces and shorten the cross-member and then re-qlue. The beams fouled the corner when we did a trial fit...Doh!

 

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It may still be a problem because it will be hard to install corner bracing, but we'll figure something out. He learned how to use razor saws, the miter box, CA and accelerator, measuring and cutting multiple parts using a bench stop. Both kids do excellent work and days like this are so special and I know they won't last forever so I take them when I can get them.

 

We were going to head back East on Christmas Eve day so my shop work was going to end tomorrow, but we've changed itinerary and will be leaving on the 26th so I may get more work this week. Goody!

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Because our trip back East has been moved out a couple of days, I actually have some more building time. Today I finished reinforcing the other firehouse wall, cleaned up the mitered surfaces of the resin casting, and then put it back in the box until I'm done the substation.

 

I changed my chain link fence scheme one more time and landed on one that really made the assembly go together more quickly and resulted in a stronger assembly. While I'm violating Dennis' scheme a bit by using a continuous piece for the bottom and top longitudinal members. I notched them at each line post so they aren't actually stuck on top of the posts, but settle in a bit, but they're still not run from post to post like Dennis suggested. I made an executive decision. I really wanted to get this fence constructed and finish the substation, and I didn't want to get more bogged down.

 

Here is the cuts that I'm making in the longitudinal members and posts. The two nest together nicely, provide much more soldering surface area and create a much stronger structure. I wish I could go back and do the first one over. I will if I have enough stock or substitute brass for that one side.

 

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I was able to build the 2nd side (both halves) and the 2nd end in half the time it took to make the first section. Steep learning curve!

 

I laid out the locations of the mounting holes very carefully and because of the much stronger structure, it plopped right in without anything breaking apart.

 

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Following Dennis' advice, I did not attempt to solder the two panels together (each 12"), instead, they're just butted up against each other. I will probably use some CA to hold them after the fencing cloth is in place.

 

The placement of this long side was based on the short end piece. It had to butt up to it in the corners.

 

I then laid out and measured for the remaining short side which will have the gate. The gate opening is 4 1/4" wide to accommodate 2 - 2" swing gates. I couldn't help myself and temporarily stuck the base back into its socket on the layout. It's not pushed all the way in since it's hard to remove it, and I didn't want to break anything.

 

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It's also in backwards. The opening will be at the station side. Shown also is the concrete pad that will provide service truck parking. Next up will be the gates, then clean up all the flux and primer paint. From there I will add the diagonal bracing with CA, and then add the bridal veil tulle. And then a final painting and installation. It shouldn't take longer making 24" of model chain link fence than installing a real one. I think the finished fence is going to look very cool and really add to the industrial nature of the substation.

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You're doing a great job. The way you're doing the bottom rail will essentially result in same look and at the same time be stronger! Bravo! It tickles me to see you modify my design and run with it. The bottom line is that you will end up with a realistic chain link fence that you're pleased with and fits in with the rest of your superb modeling.

Thanks Everyone, and Dennis!

 

I had enough material to rebuild the first side completely. It just wasn't working for me and I had three other sides that looked much cleaner. Plus it was still breaking. I then built the gates. Of course I didn't read all of Dennis' instructions about the gates until I was ready to build them and then saw about leaving the end post off of the main fence to captivate the hinges. Instead of un-soldering them and making another mess, i put the eye part of the hinge onto the gate side and did it as Dennis instructed.

 

Here's the re-made fence, made in two parts that will be butted together upon installation.

 

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You can see that it's nice and straight. I cross-lapped all the joints so, even though the bottom bar sits a little proud of the line posts, it's not sticking out as far as it would if I didn't notch both pieces. I'm using a fiber cut off wheel in the Dremel flexi-shaft which makes it easy to do the notching. Wear goggles when doing this.

 

Here's the first gate being built.

 

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The solder joints are coming out nice and clean. I use some v-blocks to weigh the pieces down when soldering. This is one application where a traditional iron works better than the resistance unit. I have many tools...each does what it does best.

 

Here's the first set of hinges in place. I could have done this phase a bit better. It's functional, but not pretty.

 

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Dennis shows keeping the part near the eye parallel and then wrapping the tail around the fence members to stabilize. When I tried this, it distorted the eye's position, so I resorted to using black iron wire, twisted with a forceps, to hold things still during soldering, I had to be fast so the corner connection didn't de-solder. It didn't!

 

And here's the gates in position for a trial.

 

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Dennis suggests priming all the steel before attempting to CA the remaining details and the fencing cloth, so I cleaned all the joints to remove the excess rosin flux, first with acetone followed up with alcohol. Then laid them out and primed both sides with Krylon primer gray.

 

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This wrapped up work for the day. Not being of the Christian faith, tomorrow is just another day, except for all the stores are closed, so I may get some shop work done. We're heading back East on Friday morning so some of the time will be spent packing, but I might get some stuff done. And for all of you of the Christian faith, have a very Merry Christmas!

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Hope everyone is having a great Christmas. Me, I've had a wonderful day also culminating in going to our local Chinese restaurant for take out and seeing a 1-hour waiting line. It's their busiest day of the year. Luckily, takeout came in a normal time. And I did get about an hour's work done on the fencing.

 

The fence frame is now complete waiting for the bridal tulle "chain link fabric". I was going to start on that also, but then realized that I was about to rush it, and thought better of doing that and went back upstairs.

 

What was done today was adding the simulated tension rods where the fabric terminates at the end posts, and the diagonal bracing also near the end posts. This was all applied with CA on the previously primed metal.

 

 

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The fence fabric has to be carefully trimmed taped down on a cutting surface. You need to catch the trim line just above the points on the tulle fabric. This requires a lot of care and I wasn't prepared to spend that much time today. It will have to wait until 2015. Then this whole 5 month project will come together quickly. Of course I still have hook up all those bus bars...

 

So everyone, until next year, Have a Happy New Year!

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Just checking in... got back from our trip back East yesterday afternoon, and today was taking it easy. I got the word from O'Scale Mag that we're going with a 6-part article series on the substation build. I've completed three parts so far. The remaining 9 phases will be folded into three more articles. Tomorrow's going to be cold and a good day to work in the basement. The colder it gets, the more often the heater is on. The more often the heater is on, the warmer is the basement.

 

Speaking of heaters. We returned to a house that was 51 degrees inside. I had reduced the temp to 66, not 51, before we left. At first my wife suggested that I turned off the heat instead of just setting the temp lower, but after the furnace ran for 15 minutes and only cold air was coming out of the registers, I began to get worried. I checked the unit, opened the panel, it shut off, heard the inductor blower start, heard the gas valve open, and then the ventilation blower start, but no heat and no flame. I have a service contract on the unit and called. The tech came at 8:30 and immediately knew that the ignitor had failed. He had two different ones in his pocket. The one that actually fit was in his truck. Problem solved... and just in time too since it's going into single digits tomorrow. Central heat is like air and water, you don't think about it too much until it's not there.

 

Tomorrow I'll be back at work finishing the fences.

Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

. . . . the ignitor had failed. 

For some reason our first floor heater blows its ignitor every year, around the time we first use it - usually November - it goes within a few days of our first using the heater.  The heater for the upper floors never has burned an ignitor. . . Anyway we just replace it now at the beginning of winter, every year - the service contract people we have, after about fifteen years, learned and do it at not extra cost now -saves them a trip later - - and we don't go away on a trip until we have, just in case.

You may want to consider keeping an extra igniter. Its cheap piece of mind. Even HVAC people get stuck in blizzards. Ask me how I know

I think dust, cooking oils, etc. collected on less used ones can crack the surface as they burn off during first reheat. Or you might have a board issue correcting itself after the first repower. Cooking oil seems to be a major reason in my mind. The hot surfaces are oil sensitive.  

We do have the HVAC system serviced twice a year at the season change, and I agree that  buying an ignitor and having it ready to go is a good idea. It's easy to install since I watched the tech very carefully just for that reason. The weather is really cold today and we're sure glad it failed when it was in the 50s, not the 10s.

 

Did some errand so I only had a little over an hour today, but it was enough to get some fence fabric installed. It's tricky to trim the tulle so the diamonds are all on the same row. It's very easy to lose your place when you try and align the fabric along the guidelines of the cutting pad. I took my best shot. I used Scotch Magic tape to hold the fabric in place and cut through the tape so both cut edges were supported. 

 

The fabric is held to the frame with CA. Here again, because I didn't fully butt solder all the members, some of them are higher than others so gluing isn't 100% on every member, but enough to support the fabric.

 

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Here's the next piece added and placed into the holes on the base.

 

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You'll notice a gap where the two panels join. That's because there's no vertical post on the one panel so the fabric ends in open space. I'm going to try and glue that piece to the neighboring post when I glue the posts into the base.

 

There's also one other minor problem which I'm not going to fix. I put the fabric on the inside of the fence. It probably should be on the outside, but again, because of my post/cross-member soldering scheme, the best place to glue the fabric was the inside on the first piece and I was then committed to doing that since you can't have it on the inside half the time and the outside the other half. It looks good and it's not even painted yet. I'm going to airbrush a mixture of silver and light gray to simulate galvanized steel. Spraying will be done with the fence mounted on the base so I can get to both sides and not have to handle it. The fabric installation is 50% complete and will be finished tomorrow. I will then mount and paint the fence and start installing equipment. 

 

I bought some more aluminum small solid rod to use as the bus bars. I'm going to experiment with using the solid or tubular material and see which one works/looks best.

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Thanks Lee! The fence looks great, but... As usual my great skills are tripped up by overlooking some basic piece of information. The Substation base was plastered into the layout with a specific orientation, and it was set up with the gate on the train station side. Then when I started drilling the base for the fence panels I had reversed the direction. I drilled holes and laid out the entire fence placement BACKWARDS! This put the gate at the opposite end of the base. This would be no problem if the base were completely symmetrical I could just drop it into the plaster socket in the opposite direction. It's not symmetrical and did fit reversed. Therefore, I had to re-locate the entire fence. When I first did this, the gates were 1/4" apart so I had to skew one fence panel to bring them into alignment. Alls well that ends well...

 

Gate Error Correction

 

The holes were filled and the non-linear part will be landscaped so the finished job won't be as noticeable as it is now.

 

So all the fencing is complete. I installed it all temporarily into its holes and airbrushed the whole lot a mixture of flat aluminum and sky gray. The aluminum doesn't show up too well, but it will have to do. I might dust it with some rust to tone it down a bit.

 

I thought I'd show some more of the intermediate steps to illustrate some of the points I've made over the past few days.

 

Here's how I tape down the tulle in preparation for cutting. I did find that some of the tulle's edges were sufficiently straight to not need further trimming.

 

Fence Cutting

 

Once the top edge is cut, I tape down the fence frame and then tape the tulle over top aligning the top edge. I put some tension on the tulle do it lies flat. You start by CA'ing the top corner and the edge that touches the tension arm. The tulle doesn't get glued to the corner posts, but terminates on the tension arms. Speaking of the tension arms... the CA is not holding them on very well. Even though Dennis suggests priming first then CA'ing, I had to re-cement them many times. If I did it again, I'd try my best to solder them in place.

 

Chain Link Fence Fabric Apply

 

Use a very sharp single-edged razor or a new Facto to trim the fabric close to the edges.

 

For the gate that's 90° to the fence to which it's attached, I added a separate piece of tulle since the gate lay at a different elevation than the rest of the fence. For the other gate that was in line with it's attached fence I covered the whole thing with one piece of tulle, glued it all down, and then separated the gate section from the rest in the trimming operation.

 

Even with everything glued, it's all very, very fragile. As a result, I'm going to do everything I can to complete the entire project before finally permanently adding the fence.

 

Here's the painted fence.

 

Fence Painted 2

Fence Painted 1

 

After dry, I took all the fence pieces out, filled the errant holes, and cleaned up the base from all the over spray. I then glued down all the operating pieces. 

 

Apparatus Install 1

 

I used Titebond glue to hold everything in place. Since all the foundations are wood, it's the right cement to use. I still have to glue the transformer down to its pad. Since its under frame is plastic, Titebond is not the right cement. I may go back to epoxy as I used on the other pieces. While lying bed last night, I realized that I haven't built the lighting yet, and with all the apparatus in place, it will be a more delicate operation running the wiring underneath. Doh! I should have held off just a little bit more before gluing everything down. That proves that I'm not as patient as my reputation seems to warrant. I am persistent or tenacious which accounts for my ability to keep going. But I'm not patient.

 

With all the apparatus in place, here's what it all looks like.

 

Apparatus Glued 1

 

So today, I will epoxy the transformer today and start working on the lighting design. I'm going to go with blue-white LEDs since they'll more accurately depict mercury-vapor lighting. I could go with the white-white LEDs if I want to simulate incandescent lights. Any opinions out there? I'm also trying to decide what form and where they will be on the base. I think I'll do some more research on this.

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Today I epoxied the main transformer and while it was curing, started working on the lighting design. I'm was going to go with blue-white LEDs since they'll more accurately depict mercury-vapor lighting, but I only have 5mm ones and they're too big. Instead, I'm going with 3mm white-white LEDs which will simulate incandescent lights. After looking at some of my research pics, I noticed they're using some kind of light poles. I was thinking about using some gooseneck lights, but my brass tube was too narrow for the LED wiring to pass through, so I went with a larger 1/8" diameter brass tube which will be a light pole with both conductors going through. I just have to insulate the positive leads. The negative leads can contact the pole. I was going to use the pole itself for the negative, but the upper solder joint wouldn't work as I wanted.

 

I drew a crude diagram of what I'm doing. The nice thing about LEDs is NO HEAT, so they shouldn't melt the plastic. In the "old" days grain of rice bulbs could not be used in a plastic assembly such as this one. I tried illuminating a Plasticville signal bridge with grain of wheat bulbs in 1958 with not-so-successful results. The light housings melted!

 Substation Light Poles Diagram

 

The top and bottom of the fixtures are styrene disks punched out with a hollow punch. There are two sized disks. These are the large ones (9/16") along with the punch that made them. I also punched out the inner disk with a 7/16" punch. These two are glued together.

 Substation Light Poles Big Disks

The inside of the top is now reflective by adding some Bare-metal Foil. I'm making the "glass" enclosure with .005" styrene sheet wrapped over itself and glued, then captured between the inner disks. The way to apply these thin adhesive foils is to lift up a bit on both sides, attach it to some scrap paper strips which lets you carry the foil and place it without it curling and folding over on itself. You see the strips in the pic before trimming the foil around in the inner disk.

 Substation Light Poles reflectors 1

It was a bit dicey getting the enclosure glued properly. It takes a very tiny amount of solvent cement. My first attempts melted the plastic clean through. Surrounding the clear styrene is some Scotch Magic Tape to give a frosted appearance and diffuse the very bright LED light. I'm wiring the four light fixtures in pairs so I only need one 330 ohm resistor for each pair in series. I'm going to have to drill holes in the base with the apparatus all mounted. Doh! However, I tested the whole deal and everything is very secure so I will be able to tip it over—very carefully—to do any wiring underneath. Wish I would have just planned this a wee bit better...

 Substation Light Poles trial 2

I made a lot of plastic blanks for the enclosures so the gluing will get better. I first tried to make the "glass" wrap around once using the inner disk's diameter and Pi, but it's way too springy and would be difficult to install. I then added 0.100" inches to the length to give some overlap. I clamped it with some spring tweezers and used the Touch-n-Flow glue applicator, but it's putting too much on. I'm going to with a fine paint brush for the rest of them. Here was a mock up that I slapped together to see how it would work. I didn't have the Scotch Tape on this one.

 Substation Light Poles trial

Right now I'm going to find some "High Voltage", "Do Not Enter" signs on the Internet and print them out for attachment to the fence.

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Worked on the lampposts today. I went to a larger sized tubing so all the wiring, solder joints and shrink tubing would fit inside. I only had one length of it so I could only make two posts. I'll get some more 3/16" brass tube tomorrow to make the rest. I'm wiring two in series and it needs a 330 ohm current-limiting resistor for the 12 vdc input voltage I'm using to retain the 20ma current through the LEDs. Here's one being illuminated.

 

Substation Light lit

 

It's hard to get a good exposure of an illuminated object using an iPhone. They do throw a lot of light. In real life the light is not as diffused as it shows here, but it is diffuse enough to hide the imperfections in the clear plastic enclosure.

 

I have some questions about posting on this (or any other forum). When we put pictures up on the the forum, whose property are they? Are we giving them ownership of our work by the act of posting? In other words, what are the copyright rules regarding posting on forums like this? If by posting we're giving tacit approval of ownership, I may have to reconsider what I do here.

 

On a lighter note, I had a visitor on Sunday. The five-year-old son of a colleague (and his dad) came to see the trains. He also visited last year, but it was a little overwhelming. This time it was all "Wow!" and "Cool!". His eyes were popping out of the his head. I'm going to donate the entire set of "I Love Toy Trains" to him. My grandsons at that age were obsessed with them.

 

While running the trains, we detected a defect that kept derailing my N-S F7 Demonstrator hauling the passenger train. There was a vertical misalignment between the outer loop track as it crosses the swing-gate hinge end. It measured 0.045". Instead of attempting to pry up the track and shim it, which would be difficult since it's all ballasted, I took advantage of L-girder construction. I made a 0.045" thick styrene shim, loosened the two screws holding the cleat to the OSB sub-roadbed, put in the shim, and tighten it up. Misalignment gone.

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Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

 

While running the trains, we detected a defect that kept derailing my N-S F7 Demonstrator hauling the passenger train. There was a vertical misalignment between the outer loop track as it crosses the swing-gate hinge end. It measured 0.045". Instead of attempting to pry up the track and shim it, which would be difficult since it's all ballasted, I took advantage of L-girder construction. I made a 0.045" thick styrene shim, loosened the two screws holding the cleat to the OSB sub-roadbed, put in the shim, and tighten it up. Misalignment gone.

Smart.  Good thinking.  

 

Your substation, as ever, is looking spectacular.

Thanks Dennis! As far as the pics, I'll be careful going forward, but regarding the past... there's about 2,000 pictures (literally) already on posts in many forums. We'll work something out. My main argument is that they're reaching different audiences for different purposes. We'll see how it goes. I'm not cutting and pasting my text. I'm writing all the articles from scratch.

My grandson felt that my post lamps looked too city-like to be in the substation. He thinks they should be street lights in the town. I always listen to my grandson. He then offered an idea to use the LEDs with the thinner tubing. His idea was to make a hole in the tube near the lamp end and run one lead on the outside for a little bit and then loop it into the tube through the hole. I started working that idea today and realized I didn't need both wires to run the length of the tube, just the insulated + lead. The - lead could use the tube as a conductor since both leads couldn't fit into this diameter tubing.  I trimmed the LED's leads shorter and tried this. The + lead is fully insulated with heat shrink right to the top. 

 

I used the RSU to hold the - lead tightly to the tube while I used rosin-core solder. The LED leads are a bit springy the RSU's clamping action stabilized it until it cooled. I then soldered the rest of the - circuit to the tube's bottom. All of the them tested perfectly. I used a miniature tubing bender to put the curve in the brass tube.

 

New Light 01

The next step involved making the lamp housing out of Super Sculpey, a clay that hardens when you bake it at 275 degrees for 15 minutes. It was a bit of a long shot. I was originally going to make a master, bake it and then use it to make molds for the rest, but instead, simply modeled each separately. I made six to get four decent ones. 

 

I used the ball peen end of my jeweler's hammer to form the bowl. Here's the rough-made housings.

 

New Lights 05

 They're quit rough here, but after baking and sanding they do look more regular.

New Lights 04

New Lights 03

 

After baking I finished shaping them using a sanding drum on the Dremel, and then various sanding sticks and flex-files of various grits. They're very fragile! Anywhere there was a discontinuity in the clay eventually broke. I ended up using CA to put three of them back together. I'm also using CA as a filler for pieces that couldn't be re-glued.

 

I then using wine-bottle lead topping as a reflector. I cut a rough square, make a couple of triangular slices in it and then used the same ball peen hammer to form the reflector directly in the housing. Medium CA holds it in place. I trimmed the overhang with a sharp #11 bladed modeling knife.

 

 

New Lights 06

 

No doubt... they're kind of crude.

 

Here's the first completed one.

 

New Lights 07

 

When painted, they'll work. I'm going to mount the light poles onto the gantry towers. Meanwhile, the other lampposts will first be applied to light the train station parking lot and driveways. Those miniature white/white LEDs are quite bright and produce no heat.

 

Tomorrow I will finish them up and paint them. I'll mount them onto the substation and then get cracking on putting in the bus bars.

 

Lee, I sent you a private message. Did you get it?

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Alan and Ray, many thanks! Because I have been dutifully recording the build progress on this forum, the magazine has rescinded its invitation to write a series of articles. I am not happy about this decision since I think it is fails to recognize the new world of communications in which we live. I believe there is interest in having a bona fide magazine series as well as reading the daily grind I post here. That magazine reaches a different audience, and I like magazines for different reasons than reading things on forums. I look at the forum as a diary with commentary. A magazine article stands alone. It makes me have to reconsider posting other builds that are upcoming for fear that I cut myself off from formal written publications.

 

Meanwhile, great things happened in the shop today. The lights were finished, painted and installed. They work great and will give great illumination.

 

Lighting 2

 

Lighting 3

Lighting 1

 

They're bright, but not as bright as my iPhone makes them appear. I opened a space in the foam that lies below the substation on the platform to clear the junction block that serves as the wire hookup point. The four lights are wired in a series pair and then paralleled at the junction block. Each series pair works through a single 330 ohm resistor. I relieved the foam core lowest base level to clear the ferrules I used to join the series connections and a place for the current-limiting resistors to nest.

 

Substation Lamp Wiring

 

With all of this functioning and complete, I finally was ready to work on the bus wiring. I first tried to go with some thin solid aluminum wire, but when I flattened the ends sufficiently wide to accommodate the hole sizes I would need to connect to the equipment, the aluminum fell apart. I planned for this eventuality and also had some 1/16" aluminum tubing. This, when flattened, had sufficient heft to handle all the holes I would be drilling.

 

Here's the very first bus connection showing how the ends are prepared.

 

Bus Install 02

 

From this point it went surprisingly fast. I got 80% of the high voltage section complete with only a few more to finish tomorrow. 

 

Bus Install 01

 

The tubing doesn't look too big. HV buses are quite prominent and in looking at pictures, it looks similar. Also... nothing looks like aluminum more than real aluminum. All of the turnings, fittings and buses, being natural metal, really works in this instance. When I finish laying in all the HV connections I will go back and CA all the joints. Right now they're just sitting there. I didn't want to glue anything until it was all laid out. When that's done, I will put down the ground cover and put it on the layout. Not before I take some more beauty shots for the portfolio. The fence will go in when it's one the layout. It's too fragile to install and then manipulate the model into position. Something will break. The end is near! And in this case, that's good thing.

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On the way to a train show Sunday, we drove past a power distribution station. Guess who I thought of .

 

 A step by step, like you have done, is quite long on a forum, and runs a few tangents to boot. I think the interest in a more focused, condensed version would be worth the effort same as a continuation. The only purpose a long one could serve I see, would be a two part story. A good article may sell a few extra print copies, & I doubt anyone would cancel the electric sub. over a few repeats. We repeat facts on a regular basis already, so do the mag.s, its how the new folk learn.    

Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

...Because I have been dutifully recording the build progress on this forum, the magazine has rescinded its invitation to write a series of articles. I am not happy about this decision since I think it is fails to recognize the new world of communications in which we live.

I was afraid that would happen. It's not a matter of reaching a different audience, it has to do with exclusivity. That's exactly why I don't publish anything online. 

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But... let me give you another view. The substation probably wouldn't have existed at all had I not posted the construction. I had no thoughts of taking close to a 1,000 pictures of the construction for an article that was a long shot to be accepted. It wasn't until I started on the journey and got lots of feedback from the forum readers that I decided to keep going. The same goes for blogging the layout build itself. I wouldn't have had a swing out door like it has had it not been for the input from the forum.

 

The forum is a conversation, not an article. It's like having a bunch of railroaders over the house for a bull session when they live all over the map. I still subscribe to three railroad magazines even though I'm on the forum daily. They're not mutually exclusive and meet different needs.

 

I still think that the publisher is out of touch with current communications. And I think the articles I already written and submitted would make a terrific series and would say a lot about their magazine's willingness to step out of the typical model railroad mold. It's their loss, and I'm not over fighting for it.

 

I have other projects in the works, and if, and only if, I get a green light on their publication, I won't post build details and publish a real article. But these projects are very typical model railroad faire; engine house, tavern, model homes I've lived in. The only one that is almost as novel as the substation will be the Bourbon Distillery. The distillery is a long way from materializing since I'm exploring getting some of it laser cut.

 

BTW: The chain link fence looks terrific, but won't be installed until the substation is in position on the layout. It's still very fragile.

Oh, I completely understand what you're saying.

 

And, it's not just model railroad publishers. I think you'll find that true of any national magazine. You have the right idea for your future projects. Regardless, one should always check with the editor before preparing an article for publication. 

 

I'm happy that you're pleased with the fence. You're right--it is fragile.

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The station under your lights looks so realistic I felt like I was there, just as I had been so many evenings and nights in younger days!  The high voltage bus looks great!  It has really become quite a project, I don't know if there has been anyone make so much so convincingly for a model railroad.

 

In reference to the canceled articles, I wonder how many of their readers would have appreciated it for what it is.  Yes, it is hard for some to embrace other forms of media.  oh well, we have enjoyed the trip, and you have the satisfaction of a job well done!

 

I surmised as much, that if you hadn't been documenting it so much for us, you may have made it a lot simpler and moved on to other projects.  I'm glad you have led us on your journey, but will be pleased to get onto another project with you.

Trainman2001, your postings here and your work is fantastic. No article could cover what has been posted here on this  forum. I am not sure why the publisher is being so picky. The details of how you are doing your different projects are lengthy but extremely  interesting to those of us who are serious about the hobby.  Most of the articles in the magazine are nice but  pure fluff. They do not go into detail as you do here. Let alone the number of pictures that you publish. I agree with you that an article could be published with a link to the forum for detailed information for those who are truly interested in excellent craftsmanship.

Originally Posted by Big Ken:

Trainman2001, your postings here and your work is fantastic. No article could cover what has been posted here on this  forum. I am not sure why the publisher is being so picky. The details of how you are doing your different projects are lengthy but extremely  interesting to those of us who are serious about the hobby.  Most of the articles in the magazine are nice but  pure fluff. They do not go into detail as you do here. Let alone the number of pictures that you publish. I agree with you that an article could be published with a link to the forum for detailed information for those who are truly interested in excellent craftsmanship.

I agree, Ken.

 

Myles, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it O Scale Trains that was going to publish the articles, not OGR?  If I'm right, they probably wouldn't want to link to another magazine's forum.  I am guessing on this, not really knowing anything about publishing.

Gentlemen,

 

You should understand that an internet forum and a magazine are two entirely different animals. You can do things on a forum that could never be done in a magazine. This build with all of its detailed descriptions and many photos is a perfect example of that difference. Even a series of articles in a magazine can't afford the space to devote to that type of minutia. 

 

The lesson to be learned here, if there is one, is for you to determine who your ultimate audience is and then pick the appropriate platform.

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Originally Posted by DennisB:

Gentlemen,

 

You should understand that an internet forum and a magazine are two entirely different animals. You can do things on a forum that could never be done in a magazine. This build with all of its detailed descriptions and many photos is a perfect example of that difference. Even a series of articles in a magazine can't afford the space to devote to that type of minutia. 

 

The lesson to be learned here, if there is one, is for you to determine who your ultimate audience is and then pick the appropriate platform.

Dennis, Very good point!  I think you are exactly right!

Originally Posted by DennisB:

Gentlemen,

 

You should understand that an internet forum and a magazine are two entirely different animals. You can do things on a forum that could never be done in a magazine. This build with all of its detailed descriptions and many photos is a perfect example of that difference. Even a series of articles in a magazine can't afford the space to devote to that type of minutia. 

 

The lesson to be learned here, if there is one, is for you to determine who your ultimate audience is and then pick the appropriate platform.

I do understand this part. And I understand the magazine wanting to have 'exclusive' articles. What I don't understand, since they are two entirely different animals, is why they can not compliment each other. I have read a few articles from magazines on other scales where the article provided links to an authors website for further details. Going to the site, just about the entire article was there and additionally a lot more information.

 

I suppose I do understand where this being a forum s provided by an O gauge magazine could be a competition thing. However there are so few O gauge magazines, and they are all fairly different in content, I really don't think folks are going to switch their subscriptions. If anything I think they would add a subscription rather than switch to another magazine. I really think O gauge is such a small market there is room for everyone to work together and share ideas and information. However I am not a magazine publisher and have no idea what they are thinking or how they operate. Just adding a few extra thoughts here.  

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Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

But... let me give you another view. The substation probably wouldn't have existed at all had I not posted the construction. I had no thoughts of taking close to a 1,000 pictures of the construction for an article that was a long shot to be accepted. It wasn't until I started on the journey and got lots of feedback from the forum readers that I decided to keep going. The same goes for blogging the layout build itself. I wouldn't have had a swing out door like it has had it not been for the input from the forum.

 

The forum is a conversation, not an article. It's like having a bunch of railroaders over the house for a bull session when they live all over the map. I still subscribe to three railroad magazines even though I'm on the forum daily. They're not mutually exclusive and meet different needs.

 

I still think that the publisher is out of touch with current communications. And I think the articles I already written and submitted would make a terrific series and would say a lot about their magazine's willingness to step out of the typical model railroad mold. It's their loss, and I'm not over fighting for it.

 

I have other projects in the works, and if, and only if, I get a green light on their publication, I won't post build details and publish a real article. But these projects are very typical model railroad faire; engine house, tavern, model homes I've lived in. The only one that is almost as novel as the substation will be the Bourbon Distillery. The distillery is a long way from materializing since I'm exploring getting some of it laser cut.

 

BTW: The chain link fence looks terrific, but won't be installed until the substation is in position on the layout. It's still very fragile.

I was just trying to say something similar to DennisB, but you are much better at it than I (and the same goes for modeling). Personally I think the magazine subscribers would be missing a lot by just reading an article of a few pages with a half dozen pictures as opposed to reading your detailed posts here. And you would be missing out on the conversing with and suggestions of all the other great modelers here following the thread.

 

Sure seems to me like they could very easily compliment one another and everyone would all be better off with a lot more details and knowledge being shared as a bonus.

Originally Posted by rtr12:
 

... I have read a few articles from magazines on other scales where the article provided links to an authors website for further details. Going to the site, just about the entire article was there and additionally a lot more information.

 

  

An author's personal website is not a public forum that is associated with a magazine.

 

 

Originally Posted by DennisB:
Originally Posted by rtr12:
 

... I have read a few articles from magazines on other scales where the article provided links to an authors website for further details. Going to the site, just about the entire article was there and additionally a lot more information.

 

  

An author's personal website is not a public forum that is associated with a magazine.

 

 

Figured the Forum being part of another magazine might have something to so with it.

Great back and forth discussion. Lessons in life are sometimes hard to learn. There's a couple of ironies at work here. First is the impetus for writing a substation article was from you guys. I didn't think about formal publications until the readers brought it up. But of course, by then I'd already posted several hundred pictures and shot myself in the proverbial publishing foot. The second irony is what I mentioned earlier. If it wasn't for posting and the continuous feedback received in this medium, the substation would have come out very different and wouldn't be worthy of publishing. It seems to be a classic "Catch 22".

 

Since I've come this far, I'm going to finish writing about it and posting pictures. Once complete, there are many other sub-projects to be built besides a large mountain and more landscaping. I've sold my Santa Fe on eBay and got the price I was asking... amazing! With that $$$ I'm going to replace the engine and possibly take the plunge into MTH DCS. I will have 4 engines with Proto 2 (and higher) and the rest with QSI and Proto 1 (one TMCC Atlas which will run conventional). So there's lots to write about. But... I will probably not post any projects that are pre-approved for publication. I really would like to get paid once in a while for doing this to help feed the hobby.

 

Now back to the substation. As I noted yesterday. I would finish the bus wiring today and I did. I also got the first layer of gravel laid down, but there's some more touch-up work for that. I'm considering doing some light weathering, but I'm not sure where or how much. I don't want to screw anything up.

 

Here's the complete HV bus system in place and CA'd. The HV system went together much easier than I anticipated, even though I had built it in my head several times. It was really important to make a drawing of this whole affair before building. Even though were some "as built" mods made, the design followed my original drawings pretty closely. Careful consideration to the equipment placement was also helpful in getting a neat looking high voltage array.

 

HV Bus Complete 1

 

It almost looks like it's ready to be energized... I have some high voltage signs to add to the fencing.

 

I also thought about the MV bus a lot, switching between using small diameter insulated copper wire or black iron wire. I settled on 28 AWG black iron wire. It's easy to form eyes and maintains the bend you put into it. Bus wiring is large gauge and fairly stiff so the iron wire won out. Very small diameter, solid core, copper wire would also work.

 

There are four different diameters used for connection points throughout the bus system. All the MV bus is connected to 0.032" brass wire except for the connections to the disconnect. On the HV side, there are four diameters ranging from .032" to .061". I had to be very conscious of the bus termination point and drill the correct size hole.

 

For the MV bus, I twisted an eye using the drill of that size as a mandrel. This worked pretty well.

 

MV BUS Wiring 1

 

I formed the eye at one end, bent the wire to the approximate contour, and then wrapped the wire around the terminating end to get the correct length. I would then form the terminating eye around the .032" drill twisting with a pair of needle nose pliers or a hemostat.

 

Here's the first runs from the MV transformer bushings to the gantry.

 

MV Bus Wiring 5

 

Here's the MV bus from disconnects to the breaker and out.

 

MV Bus Wiring 3

 

Here's another view.

 

MV Bus Wiring 2With the bus wiring complete, all that's left is the ground cover. I temporarily plugged the fence post holes, brushed down some W-S Scenic Cement and liberally sprinkled the surface with fine gray ballast. I then tipped the whole deal over and dumped off the excess gravel and moved onto another spot.

 

Sub Gravel 1

 

It's a little uneven in spots with the cement still drying. Tomorrow, I'll sprinkle additional gravel to the light areas, wet with "wet" water, and add more scenic cement out of squeeze bottle, just like ballasting track. So all that's left is some light weathering. I'm thinking about having some transformer oil stains under the drain valve. Some oil stains on the concrete drive, but not go overboard. I like the pristine look of a recently built substation. 

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Agreed; enough on the article.  :-)

 

Since your transmission line is imagined, and your high side switch is closed, I would say it is energized!  Don't get fried!  I say that because it is that realistic.

 

i agree, I would hate to weather it too much.  If you wantEd, you could plant some weeds, maybe brown ones that were sprayed.  Also a dead squirrel with a blown off foot laying on the top of the breaker would be too much.  Black snakes loved the cable troughs as well.  They looked just like control cable, so make sure you are touching a cable not a snake.

 

it is looking great!!

  I don't think I expect weathering as much as some(not all) aged equipment. A fresh paint job but rusty cracks, etc and even new, a few small rust bleeds around some bolts, and seams happens fast.  Era and/or "your story" can write any ticket you choose though.

 

 Thank you Trainman, for making your impressive efforts, and having the drive to want to share how you did it with us. 

Momentous Day! I am declaring the substation complete! I finished the gravel work, added some very minor weathering, mounted the High Voltage signs all about, and installed the fencing. I reconsidered my decision to hold off installing the fence until it was in place on the layout. I realized there was too much detail work to be done getting it carefully mounted and access to the substation on the layout isn't good; it sits pretty much in the shadow of the control panel. I will have to be very careful when putting it in place. This series of pics was not staged carefully; I just wanted to get some shot. I will set up a better situation and take the "publicity shots" and then take more when the unit is installed on the layout.

 

The last truck that parked on the pad left a heck of an oil spot and there was a little seepage from the drain valve on the transformer.

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It was a little over 6 months from start to finish. The first post was July 14. Now I need some sound effects... some heavy 60 cycle hum, and the fans turning on and off. I still have to populate it with people and find either a nice Pickup truck or a 1/43 to 1/50 scale utility service truck to occupy the parking area.

 

Thanks to all for your encouragement, feedback, information, and diversions. As I said yesterday, it wouldn't have either come out this good or looked like this had it not been for journaling the build and all the interaction it generates. I'm going to send OST some pics of the finished job and see if they might reconsider.

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Trainman,

It is excellent!  As I said many times before, I felt like I am right back working in the substation again!  The weathering is good, just enough to suggest it is a working place.  When you populate it, don't forget to have Mark getting shocked with 220 volts when the cabinet door blew into my shoulder, and I didn't realize my finger had slipped beyond the taped screwdriver I was using at the time.  

 

After posting this, I took another look at the photos.  The detail and craftsmanship is fantastic!!  It could be used as a training model.  I remember when we were learning about protective relaying, the scenarios went like this, "You are standing on top of the transformer (or breaker).  A car hits a pole, and the lines go down.  What happens in the substation in sequence?"  In reality, I should have said, I got blown off the breaker missing body parts, just like the squirrels who lived in the oaks right outside Fredericksburg Substation.  They did everything to keep those little guys out of there, but very sadly to no avail.

 

Good show on sending the data to OST one more time.  See what happens.

 

I'm with Andre, what are you going to tackle next?

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Thanks again to all!

 

Next up is probably the firehouse that grandson and I started. It's a Westport Models kit that I bought a couple of years ago at York. Les Lewis made very few of these kits and it has remarkable brickwork. Les laid on one brick at a time on the master. It was his technique that I adopted when making the chimney for the Victorian Station. I really can't imagine doing a whole building like that, but then I couldn't imagine making a museum-level substations either. Never say never.

 

I'm going to use another Miller Engineering florescent light for this one. I have some really nice Corgi 1:50 fire engines that are just waiting for a home to be built.

 

Marty Milner and I are trying to hook up so he can laser cut the windows for the next four scratch-builds. I'm having trouble since the demise of my Windows computer and loss of my CorelDraw vector drawing program. I've downloaded a free Mac program called Inkscape which has most of the capability. It saves files as SVG which is a standard vector file type. But when I sent him a test file, it enlarged the drawings 25% when he put them into the laser driving software he uses. He really wants Adobe Illustrator files, but I don't want to pay a monthly rental for the privilege of using it. I also had the entire adobe suite on my old computer and also lost that.

 

While I'm going to build the fire house, I will be doing the detailed drawings for the distillery. Even if I can't laser cut the parts, I can still buy Grandt Line, Tichy, or Rusty Stump windows and doors and do the job the old fashioned way. The distillery could be another article. If so, I will be very circumspect about what to post and what to keep out of the Internet. Even so, it's just a building... it's not nearly as unique as the substation.

Let me add my congratulations and compliments to the list!  Very nice project, wonderful detail, a great model of a modern substation.  I can certainly appreciate all the time, effort and attention to detail in your project.  I've spent over 2 decades in the business - working for a regional G&T - including a dozen years in the field as a protective relay technician, although now I work in the office in system operations.  As Mark said, it takes me back to my days in the field... lots of great memories, but I'm glad to be inside as I get older.

 

Many thanks for taking the time to document and share your project from start to finish! 

You guys are too much. It never ceases to amaze me of the depth of real-world experience here and how helpful it is in building unique projects.

 

I wonder how many people have actually followed this build, but generally do not comment... My argument with the magazine is that they're refusing to publish the articles because of my posting the build here. But suppose only 40 or 50 people actually follow this long odyssey. Are they really saying that they want to keep 20,000 people from reading about it because a handful of people have already seen it? When put that way, their policy falls short. It's different if I published in another national magazine and then wanted to publish again in theirs. But forums aren't national publications. While there are 1,000s of members of this forum, no one reads every thread. It's fundamentally impossible. You read those that pique your interest and leave hundreds of others unread.

I'm trying to relate, but all I can think about is my other obscure hobby from the past, air cooled Volkswagens. Really only two, or three mags ever existed at once, I subscribed to one. What I remember is a few of the same cars appearing in all three, within 2 years of each other. Each article took a different main focus, tech, looks, histories. Between the three there was lots to learn, and I bought outside of my usual choices to view them.

 

I may be only one voice, but I ended with three subscriptions about that time too .  

This is OST's stated policy about submitted articles. While you may disagree with it, it is fairly common in the publishing industry.

 

Anyone may submit articles for consideration. We’re always interested in seeing material from new writers. Occasionally, we will commission articles, but for the most part OST depends on your submissions. We want new, fresh, unpublished material for OST. Generally, if you have posted your submission online anywhere, we will not pay to publish it in OST.

Copyrights

When we pay you for an article we are buying the “first serial rights worldwide”, that is the right to publish your article exclusively in OST and distribute it anywhere in the world. We retain that exclusive right for 6 months from the date of publication in the magazine. After that, the copyright reverts to the author and you can do what you like with the article.

With regard to the Internet what that means is, once you accept payment you do not have the right to post any portion of the article or photos from the article anywhere on the Internet without our permission. To do so would dilute the value of the article to us. Think about it. Why should OST pay for something you have given away for free on the Internet?

We do understand that posting a photo or two may build interest in the upcoming article, so we’re not against it completely. However, you do need to get our permission to post any photos from an article anywhere online.

 

The “6 month” rule applies to single articles and 2-part articles. Articles with 3 or more parts are treated differently. We may be interested in book rights for multi-part articles and, as such, will pay more for the initial publication of each part. If we have indicated that we want book rights as well as serial rights, then the work becomes the property of OST and the author gives up all claim to copyright. We will make that very clear in our offer to publish.

Again, thanks everyone! I will be contacting Alan and RMC (and whoever else is interested). 

 

OST is allowed any policy they want. Their policy IS clearly stated. That doesn't mean that I agree with it. They're paying for an article because it reaches a broad audience who also pays for the privilege of reading their material. We do not pay to be on the forum, therefore the forum should not pay any of us for our contribution. The articles I wrote for them were completely written from scratch. The pictures, I agree, were used elsewhere. Maybe they'll make an exception in my case, maybe they won't. Either way, I will keep building and inspiring others to do the same. Again, how else, besides a forum like this could we even be having this discussion?

 

 

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As Dennis said, it's good to know how "exclusivity" works. I am often approached by people asking for advice on preparing an article for publication. They sometimes end by saying, "I'm going to send it to all the magazines. Maybe one will print it." That's not how it works. It must be sent to only one.

 

In general, few magazines are going to publish material that has appeared elsewhere. Their readers will feel deceived in that they are paying to see something that they have already viewed somewhere else. Readers deserve fresh material.

 

It does happen on occasion, as when the other magazine published an article only to find that the same photos had appeared in an ad campaign just prior to publication. It can be very embarrassing all the way around.

 

Perhaps, at some time, the policies will change as the use of forums expand, but probably not in the foreseeable future. Magazines are already feeling the pressure of all the other sources of information on the web.

 

IMO it would be their death knell if their pages contained material that could be seen elsewhere for free. Their only hope is to provide something new and of the highest quality with each issue.

 

Jim

 

 

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Myles,

Marty with the laser here. I don't want you taking it the wrong way. I gladly will help you cut the windows and buildings, but as the low price i told you before was that you would supply files with minimal amount of cleanup to cut. Everything is not 25% scaled up if it was i could easily scale down. The mouldings were smaller than the door and the starburst is way out of scale from the sizes you gave me after my email questioning the sizes. With the talent you have and all the buildings you want to do, i dont understand why the nomial 20 a month to adobe is a big deal, when your done cancel it, your going to move faster and have a nicer finished product. Every one of us waste $20 a month on something, you couldnt get a kit for 20 a month let alone a custom building built how you want. As roy from shipping wars says "its a nickle holding up a dollar" I can also do the drawings for you but of course the price will be higher. I have a 63" x 36" laser, in o scale thats almost limitless what we can do.

Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

       

Thanks again to all!

 

Next up is probably the firehouse that grandson and I started. It's a Westport Models kit that I bought a couple of years ago at York. Les Lewis made very few of these kits and it has remarkable brickwork. Les laid on one brick at a time on the master. It was his technique that I adopted when making the chimney for the Victorian Station. I really can't imagine doing a whole building like that, but then I couldn't imagine making a museum-level substations either. Never say never.

 

I'm going to use another Miller Engineering florescent light for this one. I have some really nice Corgi 1:50 fire engines that are just waiting for a home to be built.

 

Marty Milner and I are trying to hook up so he can laser cut the windows for the next four scratch-builds. I'm having trouble since the demise of my Windows computer and loss of my CorelDraw vector drawing program. I've downloaded a free Mac program called Inkscape which has most of the capability. It saves files as SVG which is a standard vector file type. But when I sent him a test file, it enlarged the drawings 25% when he put them into the laser driving software he uses. He really wants Adobe Illustrator files, but I don't want to pay a monthly rental for the privilege of using it. I also had the entire adobe suite on my old computer and also lost that.

 

While I'm going to build the fire house, I will be doing the detailed drawings for the distillery. Even if I can't laser cut the parts, I can still buy Grandt Line, Tichy, or Rusty Stump windows and doors and do the job the old fashioned way. The distillery could be another article. If so, I will be very circumspect about what to post and what to keep out of the Internet. Even so, it's just a building... it's not nearly as unique as the substation.


       
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Another milestone today... the civil works crew got their work done on time and under budget so they were ready when the cranes came to erect the substation. It dropped into the plaster socket perfectly. So without boring you with more trivialities, here's the newly installed substation.

 

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I still have to install the telephone poles and transmission towers. I may hold off doing this for a while since they're easy to bump into while doing other work. The whole thing popped into the plaster cavity like a hand in a correct-fitting glove. It looks like it's always been there. At least that's how I imagined it.

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Again, thanks one and all.

 

I also thought about making a video. I was so engrossed in shooting the UP Veranda as it rolled past the substation that I didn't notice that it was only 3/4 of a train that went by. The remaining 1/4 had parted and was lying stalled on the tracks at the right rear corner.

 

All of a sudden, CRASH!. The veranda collided with the caboose and pushed the remaining three cars into a jack knife. Two left the platform and hit the floor. One car suffered minor damage to a corner just above the foot step. Some solvent cement fixed it up good as new.

 

That's not the first time that the Veranda has been involved in running into the rear of its own train. The other time happened in Germany when the first iteration of this pike was just put in operation. In that instance I mounted the control station in the center of the layout. You had to access it by a duck under. Everything was running great so I ducked under to the outside and was looking for something on a shelf with my back to the layout. Again, CRASH! Train had parted, but this time it really smacked it. One old Weaver box car completely disassembled when it hit the floor. That too was fixed.

 

Trains are like two year-olds. Never, ever take you eyes off of them.

 

 

Trainman, I don't know if you plan to put the usual small white with black letters and red warnings on the fence, but usually a utility does, it says something like "Big State Electric Service Company - Main Street Substation."  Or if you have a name for your utility name. 

 

Utility Names - getting the Era Right.  Electric company names, real and made up, were sometimes a function of the times.  I once got a large consulting contract with a major utility because at dinner I told their senior executive that I could tell the age of a electric utility (when it was founded) based on its name, and he put to to a little test and I passed.  IIhad reserached it for one of my books) .  Today, with all the mergers in the 1990s and since, you can't - utilities are run by MBA types who change their names after mergers and want them to sound like anything but utilities (Centerpoint, XCel Energy, Exelon, etc), but up through the 1980s:

 

Electric Utilities with the word "Illuminating" in their name are the oldest.  They were founded in the 19th century or first ten to fifteen years of the 20th.  Many was Charles Brushe companies (he was an early and ultimately unsuccessful competitors/utility franchiser to Edison and Westinghouse).  The only major utility still doing business under its original name is The Cleveland Electric Illuminating Company.  So if you are modeling a layout in the early 19th century, such a name is appropriate.

 

Electric utilities founded just before WWI most often were Lighting or Light companys, as for example, City Light Company or Central Lighting Company.  If the alyut is WWI or thereabouts, this is realistic as the local electric company name. 

 

Smal rural utilities foounded under the rural electrification acts in the early 20th century often have the word "electric cooperative" in their name (Madison Country Electric Cooperative, etc.). layouts that are 1930s forward . . . 

 

If a large electric  company has both words "power" and "light" in its name, then  it was likely founded during or after WWI but before WWII.  Generally, companies with the world light preceding power (Houston Lighting and Power) were founded earlier (post WWI) wtereas those with power in the lead were founded in the '30s.  Layouts from 1930 on could use Light and Power, from 1935 to 1970 could use Power and Light realistically.

 

If the company does not have the word light in it, it was founded in the 1930s or 1940s or went through bankruptcy during the depression and was renamed (many were).  A possibility only on postwar or wartime layouts.

 

Companies founded or created through mergers in the post WWII era often had "electric service" as in Texas Electric Service Company.  1950s layouts or later, only.

 

Companies formed via mergers and so forth after 1970s often have the word energy.  

 

Most Electric and Gas companies date from the early-mid 20th century

Here is another take on it.  When I first started working for Virginia Power in 1976, they went by VEPCO, which stood for Virginia Electric and Power Company.  Sounds kind of redundant until one understands the origin.  They started as a company providing power for the first electric street cars in Richmond, Virginia.  Therefore, as I recall, the Electric was for the the street car line and Power was for the electricity generated to power them.  Now they go by Dominion, which is their holding company for their electric, gas, and other ventures.

 

I defiantly agree with Lee, you need at least one sign on the substation gate or fence nearest the road.  In addition, I like the Reddy Kilowatt signs that are out now, and would like to get one of those sometime.

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:
Originally Posted by Adriatic:

Oh man, your done. Forget the rust. A new install!

Leave it looking new.  This utility is proud of its equipment and takes care of it!

I will agree with Lee's and Adriatic's take on that too!  I remember painting transformers, and even old structure way back in my younger days.  Yes, I started about as low as one can go.  ;-)  Those two college degrees I finally earned helped rectify that situation.  Rectify, no pun intended.

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Thanks, but I've got this one covered. I went on the Google and looked for images of Redi-kilowatt, Philadelphia Electric, Pennsylvania Power and Light, and Louisville Gas and Electric. Since I'm going to build a Bourbon distillery at some point, I chose LG&E. I also doctored up an image with Redi-kilowatt to make another sign.

 

Substation Signs

 

I'll cobble together some backing and supports and make some signs for the substation. I'm finding for some simple graphics I'm able to get by using Apple's "Keynote" app that's a clone of PowerPoint.

 

I've already received the money from PayPal for the Santa Fe F3 A-B-B-A that I sold through eBay. The sale closed on the 20th and the money's transferred to my bank tonight. Pretty fast turnaround. Now I have to decide what to do with the money... more buildings? A new loco to replace the Santa Fes? MTH DCS? Some combination of these? I have a budget for the trains per year that's been arranged with my better half, but anything I can do to contribute to it is highly appreciated. I don't change the budget even if I get additional funds. It just reduces the $$$ needed from the family funds.

 

In looking at the layout tonight, my grandson and daughter think I should start filling in the back right corner where the mountain's going to go. Some of proceeds could go to buying more materials and four tunnel portals.

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Time to switch gears.

 

After painting the lampposts a nice dark green with "Concrete" bases, I mounted two in the train station parking lot. I'm glad I listened to my grandson and made new ones for the substation that were more industrial and saved these for municipal lighting. I'll have to make more of them to use in the town. I have two left. 

 

 

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They're pretty simple to make and quick too so making more will not be too great of a hardship. These, like the substation lights, were wired in series with a 330 ohm current-limiting resistor soldered on the negative lead going to the power source. I just wrote up a comment on another thread about using old electronic hardware power converters to power all my DC needs. The best are old laptop chargers since they're often 12VDC and have high current capacities. But even the smaller 1 amp units can light a lot of LEDs if you use series/parallel arrays.

 

With these running I decided to make one of my old craftsman railroad car kits. Many years ago a colleague at one of the Henkel plants gave me five old Quality Craft and Ambroid car kits. These are the way O'scalers used to get all of their equipment; they made it out of wood kits. I had already built two of them before we moved to Louisville. The remaining kits are all various types of hoppers.

 

This one is a Great Northern Airslide grain hopper on which I'm going to install a pair of Atlas O, Bettendorf freight car trucks. Having another grain hopper will be useful on the pike to feed the Bourbon plant.

 

Airslide Hopper 01

 

All of the fine structural detail in the kit is milled basswood, including all that angle "iron" in the end bays. When I mentioned in the substation build that I had some brass structural shapes hanging around in the shop for many years, it was for these car kits that it was bought. My intention then—as it still is—was to make this detail out of soldered brass. That was even before I bought the Resistance solderer. And it was one of the thoughts in the back of my mind justifying that purchase. After looking at that very fragile, OLD, basswood, I realized more than ever that I must make it out of brass. You'd probably break something if you accidentally picked up the car by the ends. Therefore; the model will be a hybrid with basswood body, floor, bolsters and center sill, with soldered brass end detail epoxied to the wood structure. After building the substation, I have no concerns about doing this job in brass.

 

Here's a poorly taken shot of said brass.

 Airslide Car 05

 

The first steps was to build a floor extension.

 

Airslide Hopper 02

The milled sides are in two sections which must be edged glued. I used a technique learned in building the B-17. You true the mating edges and tape them tightly together with masking tape on one side. You turn the piece over and bend the joint open. In this space you put a bead of SuperPhatic aliphatic glue. It's water thin, penetrates quickly and when dry is very strong, sandable and invisible. You tape the other side to hold it tightly while the glue cures. The RC scale plane builders use it to glue balsa skins together before attaching to the wing ribs.

 

The bulkheads were positioned using angle blocks and then weighted until they dried. The inner roof goes on next and again weights clamp it until glue cures. BTW: this was a rare Sunday shop day. Grandson #1 had another quickie project which we did last night and this morning. Little by little he's getting a complete industrial arts education program. He's now getting proficient with the drill press, 1" belt sander, jig saw and Dremel tools.

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The decals are Walther's and are really old, so just to be sure I coated them with Microsol liquid decal film which restores old decals and keeps them from cracking. I don't anticipate this being a long project. Famous last words...

 

I weighed the parts along with the trucks and the white metal fittings and it comes out just about 15 ozs. This is right on target for NMRA's car weight for a 40' freight car in O'scale, so no additional weight should be needed. I intend to weather this car. I haven't yet gotten the courage to weather my store-bought cars and engines, but I don't have that reservation with kits and scratch-build projects. I have Kadee couplers for it too. One the first two kits, I only put Kadees on one end and big, fat, O'gauge monsters on the other so they would mate to the rest of the train. On this car, I may put Kadees on both ends. Sometime in the future I plan on converting more of my O'gauge couplers to Kadee. With my wide curves, I can get away with much closer (more scale) coupling. 

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Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

Thanks, but I've got this one covered. I went on the Google and looked for images of Redi-kilowatt, Philadelphia Electric, Pennsylvania Power and Light, and Louisville Gas and Electric. Since I'm going to build a Bourbon distillery at some point, I chose LG&E. I also doctored up an image with Redi-kilowatt to make another sign.

 

Substation Signs

 

I'll cobble together some backing and supports and make some signs for the substation. I'm finding for some simple graphics I'm able to get by using Apple's "Keynote" app that's a clone of PowerPoint.

 

I've already received the money from PayPal for the Santa Fe F3 A-B-B-A that I sold through eBay. The sale closed on the 20th and the money's transferred to my bank tonight. Pretty fast turnaround. Now I have to decide what to do with the money... more buildings? A new loco to replace the Santa Fes? MTH DCS? Some combination of these? I have a budget for the trains per year that's been arranged with my better half, but anything I can do to contribute to it is highly appreciated. I don't change the budget even if I get additional funds. It just reduces the $$$ needed from the family funds.

 

In looking at the layout tonight, my grandson and daughter think I should start filling in the back right corner where the mountain's going to go. Some of proceeds could go to buying more materials and four tunnel portals.

I like the sign very much!  It conveys the message and is the right era!

Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

I like the "Redi-kilowatt" theme. I'll search out that logo and make some signs. I'm not putting anything else on that very fragile fence. The high voltage signs were installed when the fence pieces were flat on the work bench. I do not want to stick anything on them now that they're erected. I'll make a free standing sign that will go into the landscape.

Reddi Kilowatt was a real fixture everywhere back in the '50s and all.  It is easy to find images and download them to make your own signs.  One of my favorite '50s logo items.

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Originally Posted by Mark Boyce:

Here is another take on it.  When I first started working for Virginia Power in 1976, they went by VEPCO, which stood for Virginia Electric and Power Company.  Sounds kind of redundant until one understands the origin.  They started as a company providing power for the first electric street cars in Richmond, Virginia.  Therefore, as I recall, the Electric was for the the street car line and Power was for the electricity generated to power them.  Now they go by Dominion, which is their holding company for their electric, gas, and other ventures.

 

I defiantly agree with Lee, you need at least one sign on the substation gate or fence nearest the road.  In addition, I like the Reddy Kilowatt signs that are out now, and would like to get one of those sometime.

Wow.  You were with Dominion Va Pwer, Mark?  Now, in semi-retirement, I work for only a limited # of clients and they are one of them.  Good company. Best engineering department in the electric utility industry, IMO.  

 

ou are right about the electric company name.  I have a really cool book for 1926 - the McGraw Hill Guide to Electric Railway Companies, 1926.  Gives summaries, name and contact infor for executives, for all the electric railway companies in the US.  There were more than two thousand across the US, including more than 114 in PA and about 60 in NC, many tiny (Raleigh's had only about 100 miles of trolley track and some others in NC only a dozen miles or so).  In big cities in particular, electricity was really the only option - use coal and you'd choke your potential market to death.  

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I didn't make the signs because we'e having printer/WiFi problems with some new Time Warner Equipment. I did finally print out the graphic. Instead I worked on the Airslide Hopper. This was supposed to be a simple job to fill the time between major projects.

 

All was going well until...

 

I glued on the side panels, end panels and some bottom trim. The I scored and glued on the very thin wood top roof sheet. This conforms to the slight (8° slope. It also extends out about 3/4" on each end. Did I say it was thin...? I also started to manufacture the brace framing on the end starting with the upper end roof stiffeners. 

 

Airslide Hopper 06This picture clearly shows the roof overhang and the thinness of the material.

 

I cut the reinforcements from 1/8" sq" brass tube. It's a little over-sized and robust, but I didn't want to got to the hobby shop today so I used what I had. I measured the angle of the roof peak and made a sanding fixture to put that angle onto the brass' ends. I then made another fixture to hold it in that position for soldering.

 

 

Airslide Hopper 07

 

I pinned it to the soldering pad and first tried using the mini-torch. It was over kill. I then switched to the resistance unit and it worked well.

 

Airslide Hopper 08

 

I then solder the flank pieces to the ends of this assembly.

 

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This was just sitting there. I probably won't glue the brass into the car until it's mostly all assembled since soldering and wood don't go well together. Then while holding the car up to check the fit of this piece I proceed to loose my grip on it and drop it on the concrete floor, severely damaging the roof over hang on one end and the lower body extension.

 

Airslide Hopper 10

 

What a freak'n mess! I don't usually do this. Or... when I do do it, I tend to get lucky and not do catastrophic damage. I simply can't glue it all together since it would look awful. I don't know where to find bass wood that thin. I could use some very thin aircraft ply and either laminate to the existing roof, or somehow remove the roof with wrecking anything else and replace it with ply. I'll get the ply tomorrow and see what works best. Like I said... it's a piece of cake compared to the substation. Yeah! Right!

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I decided to use 1/32" aircraft ply that I had in the shop to replace the roof. I did use styrene for another part that was damaged. Since I'm going to have to sanding seal all the rest of the wood, adding the roof didn't make much of a difference.

 

It took almost two hours today to affect all the repairs. My spouse says, "that's part of the hobby too." At first I was going to put the new roof over old, but like real roofers, that's not a good idea. So using a single-edged razor blade, I peeled up the old roof in chunks, sanded the heck out of it on a sand paper adhered to a piece of plate glass, and got the roof back to the sub-roof.

 

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All the manhandling also broke of one of the side's extensions. It's on the far corner away from the camera.

I then measured the new roof piece off the plans. I found that I had a nice big piece of 1/32" aircraft ply that I was able to cut. I scored and almost cut through the center line to enable the sheet to bend cleanly at the roof's peak.

I again used Aileen's Tacky Glue (actually this is a new product of their's that has super tack). It's very sticky and works nicely in this application.

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I also needed to reinforce the floor extensions sticking out of the bottom. I'm not sure why they're so thin and unsubstantial considering that couple box has to go there. I added a piece of 1/8" aircraft ply and a piece of the roof wood that I salvaged to make it more robust. One side was almost completely broken off.

As I'm writing this, I've just gotten concerned that I may have caused a future problem with couple alignment. We'll cross that bridge... This pic also shows the styrene repair on the side extension. The wood part was splintered pretty badly so I shave it back flush with the end wall. I measured the amount of overhang, minus the thickness of the flange and cut a piece of .020" styrene for the web. The web and flange were solvent glued before CA'ing them to the car body.

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Finally I was able to get back to the brass fabrication. I soldered the other roof piece and then laid out and cut the first horizontal member for the bottom framing. This piece needed to be notched to fit over the floor extension. I sawed the extremities in the miter box with the razor saw, and then removed the middle with a cut-off wheel mounted in the Dremel Flexi-shaft held in my Panavise. I use goggles when doing this.

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Here's all the brass bits prepared so far. The bottom frame will consist of four pieces of brass channel, notched in the corners so they nest together correctly and soldered. As I noted yesterday, I'm going to try and build the entire end frame off the car and put it in as a finished assembly. If I can't do this, I'll at least do any soldering that would be next to wood off the model.

 

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Before I'm done, there will quite a pile of brass parts that will need soldering.

 

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For some strange reason, yesterday's post was missing so I re-entered it. Today I worked with Time Warner Cable to resolve a WiFi problem. They upgraded us up to 30 MB/S and had to change our modem to handle it. The new modem had a built in router that wasn't up to the job, so last week they installed a little Netgear router which also couldn't give up full-coverage throughout our not-so-large house. The tech came today and kept saying that it was the router's location in the upstairs office that was the problem. So instead of having to continue to mess around with relocating phone jacks for our alarm and putting the modem and router downstairs, I went to Costco and bought a Netgear Nighthawk router and the problem is now solved. TWC has only one router to offer customers and it's a marginally capable one worthy of being used in an efficiency apartment, but not in a two-floor house.

 

So... I didn't get into the shop until after 3:00 and did very little. What I do was street repair. As I've noted many times before in this saga, the lamination of Bristol Board onto green insulating foam using 3M77 spray adhesive was a total failure. The card stock edges started lifting almost as soon as the streets were installed and continue to this day. I've spent at least four work session systematically injecting Aleen's Tacky Glue into the separated areas, weighing them down with everything heavy that I had handy, and moving onto the next section. It's working! I give each section a half hour to set and then move on. Meanwhile, I do work on other projects.

 

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It's especially notable at the Bristol Board seams as noted in this image. The Aleen's solution is working and repaired areas are not de-laminating. Gladly, I don't have much detail work done in town yet such as lampposts, telephone poles, traffic lights, etc., and my buildings aren't fastened down and can be moved out of the way to get to the edges. While the Bristol Board gave a terrific smooth surface for painting, lines and sticking fake manhole covers, the lamination concept destroyed whatever advantage it gave. Next time it's use foam directly and paint it the best I can.

 

For the hopper, I soldered one piece of brass. I'll do more tomorrow. I downloaded some prototype pictures to get an idea about weathering. These hoppers generally were used to haul powdered materials, such as flour, cement, even carbon black. I need cars to haul grain which I now have a few. I may have to install a baking plant or concrete plant to make use of such as car.

 

I also ordered some 1:43 utility vehicles to populate the substation and beyond. Die cast Direct had some and I found two that had Louisville Gas and Electric logos on them. They're contemporary, not 1950s, but neither is the substation technically. My railroad is sort of a mis-match of eras. While I'm purporting to be at the steam/diesel transition time—late 40s through mid-50s—I have some 2nd generation diesels, 2 turbines, and the N-S reconditioned F units that were put on rails just a short time ago. I never claimed to be a pure scale enthusiast, just a guy who likes stuff with a lot of detail.

 

This one could be digging a hole to put in one of those telephone poles

 

LGE Auger Truck

 

I think I'll park this one in the spot in the substation...if it fits.

 

LGE Snorkel Truck

 

I wish they made vehicles for us that were 1:48 instead of 1:50 or 1:43. Both trucks will need some weathering, and detail painting.

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Originally posted by Trainman2001:

 

  "I never claimed to be a pure scale enthusiast, just a guy who likes stuff with a lot of detail".

 

Which is why I find your work so interesting. Lifelike isn't just scale.

 

 

Spray isn't my favorite contact adhesive but 3m is a good one. I like DAP's red brush on in a quart can. For laminating counter tops, and showcases, I've found none I like better. (ventilate!)

  You did wait for it to dry per label right? It doesn't work as well as a wet glue.

3M makes a higher strength spray that one of the RC aero modelers uses to adhere skins, but I don't know it's name. I too am becoming less enamored with sprays. They're okay for adhering paper. I do believe I did let it dry before adhering, but I'm not sure. I also find that contact cements in general don't always work so well. This goes for Walther's Goo, and other contact cements.

 

I find that they dry out and let go. I glued individual copper plates to the hull of an 18th Century American Naval ship. The model was completed in the 1970s. Almost all of those plates have fallen off! The contact cement is hard as a rock and is no longer effective. Our models do have to hold up for many years. Many are in places where they can't easily be reached for repair so whatever materials we use in construction really needs to be high quality.

Adriatic,

 

I'm glad you "get" my approach. The thing is... I really like models of stuff. It doesn't matter if it's an 18th Century ship of the line, or a really interesting die cast model crane. If it's intricate, well-executed, and interesting I like it. So my railroad is quickly turning into an anachronism. Most of the buildings in town fit the 1950s era including the Berkshire Valley gas station. But the distillery's going to be based on a building built in the 1870s... why? Because it's cool...that's why. I'm also thinking again about buying the Plastruct chemical plant kit. That could be from the 50s to present. Clearly, I'm not an O'scale purist.

Life is too short! Our railroads are our place to use our creativity and create our own little worlds. It's like doll houses on steroids.

 

The road reconstruction is effectively over and the resurfacing crew will have to come in and do some patchwork. I always thought that the roads were too pristine when I installed them. Now they're not!

 

While each phase of the repair was drying I was working on the Airslide Hopper. Made some decent progress. I had noted that I was worried that the added bulk I glued to the floor extension would lower the Kadee coupler to far. Quite the opposite. It put the coupler at the exact height I wanted with no additional shims. I made a test. 

 

I glued the center sill and bolsters in place and then placed the trucks underneath and temporarily clamped the couple box in place and checked it against one of the other kit-built cars I previously made. 

 

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The picture doesn't lie. I am no longer worried about the couplers, AND the bolster is now firmly glued to the floor AND the floor extension so the coupler mount is very strong (as it should be).

 

I finished building up the bottom rectangular frame using only the RSU. The torch, which I again tried, simply overheated the joint to quickly and destroyed the fluxes activity. I also used less fixtures instead of more because it gave me more access with the RSU tweezers.

 

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By clamping the parts in the vise enabled me to hold the solder in one hand and the tweezers in the other.

 

After soldering I cleaned up the ends with the cutoff wheel and some hand filing.

 

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Here's the top and bottom frames lying in their respective locations.

 

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I will pull the roof corners down into contact with the top frame during the epoxying step.

 

There are some diagonal channels that also reinforce the bottom frame. I'm not solder these since the middle joint is between the center sill and brass. It will be epoxied.

 

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I'm driving to Die-Cast Direct tomorrow to pickup my utility trucks. They're outside of Frankfort so they're only 45 minutes away. Why pay shipping when you don't have to. Meanwhile, I'd really like to see their showroom.

 

The vertical angle iron will be soldered and I'll try and use the TIX which melts below 300° F so if I watch very carefully and release the foot switch as soon as it melts, I probably won't melt off anything else. At least that's the plan.

 

I could have this soldering work done in one more work session. I should probably use the sanding sealer now, before any metal is added. It will take multiple coats of sealer. As noted before, it's the one drawback of building with wood.

 

Next to building the entire car out of brass, I think this hybrid approach should let each material perform to its best advantage. With the brass the weight will probably be 17 ozs.

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Monday is shop day...

 

Really got into building the brass ends on the Airslide Hopper. The details are working out as planned, but it's not square. Instead of ripping it all apart, I'm going to leave it be. I think I know where it comes from. I'll explain in the pictures.

 

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The two main components were CA'd to the car body. Horizontal angle piece on the top, the rectangular plate and the one vertical angle are soldered.

 

I filled in the remaining angles on the hand brake end is all soldered. I was trying to use the TIX solder due to it's low melting point, but was having trouble with it working. For some reason, it flows, looks like a good joint, and then separates. It's not that one side is not tinned. Both sides are evenly tinned, but the solder film breaks right down the middle.

 

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From head on it looks pretty good. But when viewed from the side, the bottom frame extends out further than the top and the angle pieces are not square.

 

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It's not that obvious in the above pic, but it's there. I think I made one of the fundamental blunders—other than getting stuck in a land war in Asia and challenging a Sicilian when death is on the line (couldn't help that Princess Bride quote)—I didn't subtract the thickness of the channel when cutting the length of the bottom side pieces. They fit inside the end piece, therefore the end piece thickness is added and that's the amount that it's out of square.

 

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The last thing I did was use J-B Weld to attach the diagonal braces on the bottom. In addition to adding the same braces on the other end after this side cures, there are two additional braces that extend from the inside top of the box down to the bottom of the outside rail of the bottom frame. That was much harder to describe in writing than to show in a picture... which I don't have.

 

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J-B Weld takes a good 12 hours to cure. I'll add the rest of the parts next session. I think I'm going to heavily weather this car so some of the non-square aspects could be interpreted as a tired old car.

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Yesterday, we took a nice trip to Indy to visit their very nice Museum of Art to see the Georgia O'Keefe exhibit. Since moving to the Midwest we're making an effort to get to all of these mid-sized heartland cities and take advantage of what they offer. Coming from the East Coast there's a built in bias that unless a city is 1.5 million or bigger, it doesn't count. Wrong! Both Cincy and Indy have wonderful mid-sized art museums with some great treasures. It's less than two hours from our house and we're used to getting in the car and going places.

 

But, today I was back in the shop. I realized when I awoke this morning that I'd better get the brake machinery into place before adding any more details on the ends. The mounting for the cylinder was ambiguous so I added a brass plate. I made a brake piston rod out of some aluminum tubing, sliced the end to make it a clevis, drilled and pinned it to the swing arm, and drilled out the cylinder to receive the piston rod.

 

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The swing arms were pinned and then soldered. This in turn was soldered to the mounting bracket that's CA'd to the car body. The kit came with pre-painted floral wire. It's easy to form... too easy and deforms just as easily. I probably should have used brass wire which, being half-hard, holds it shape better. 

 

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The triple valve has three pipes going into it, one to the cylinder and two to the reservoir. I'm going to use brass for the grab irons. I added some of the cast doo dads that add some realism to the car, and I also started adding the hopper dumper details underneath. 

 

I had trouble getting the reservoir in; both in getting the CA to hold and getting the piping installed. The wire wasn't holding well in the holes I drilled, and the tank kept coming loose. I was probably rushing. I should have epoxied the tank in place and let it set overnight. CA can be disappointing at times.

 

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I've seen better piping...

 

I plopped the car on its Atlas trucks just to see what it looks like. Even though the ends are out of square, it will have to do.

 

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I'm leaving all the roof ribs and hatches off until the rest is in place since I didn't want to put any extra load on those delicate ribs.

Only had a couple of hours to build today, and continued working on the brake end details. I added a bit of brass underneath the manual brake mechanism to give a more substantial base for the case gear box. This was soldered in place. I really love the RSU. It's always ready to go. You just clamp the tweezers on the parts, hit the foot pedal and the solder joint is complete in a couple of seconds. There's an off-on switch, but it can be left on since no current flows through the unit until the foot is activated.

 

I then used J-B Weld to glue the bottom dump bottoms onto the car body and the previously CA'd sides. I clamped this and will leave it overnight.

 

In looking at the brake mechanism as the model instructions would have me build it, it would be totally non-functional. It makes no mechanical sense, but it looks reasonable.

 

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I'm still completely annoyed that the ends are not square. Since the model didn't cost me anything, I'm using it basically as a training device to continue to hone my scratch-building-in-brass skills and using the RSU. I have two other kits to build: one is a standard hopper with extended sides as a wood chip hopper, and the other is a standard covered hopper. Both will require the same level of end treatments as this one, so since "practice makes perfect", I should have the creation of a hopper with the correct end geometry. Both of these other kits are hoppers with sloped end pieces and a square end which will require a little less brass-crafting than this one.

 

I realize that this project is a little more mundane and certainly less engaging than the substation. It also isn't taking almost 7 months to complete.

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I went to the Protocraft site and found brake gear that actually looks real. The cylinder and manual brake work through a bell crank that transfers the various direction of motion to one that runs back and forth along the cars axis. I'm not going to buy anything like that for this car, but may be tempted on one of the other kits. Maybe...

 

Again, I had little time in the shop today having been to the Hobby shop to buy more CA and brass. All I got done was measure, shape, and install the diagonal braces that extend from the top of the car body to the lower end beam. On the other end, I just used CA to hold these in place...which I'm nor so sure about. On this end, the upper end is CA'd, but the lower end is soldered to the main beam. Again, the RSU let me solder this piece in without de-soldering the joint that's less than a 1/4" away. The second the solder melts and the joint forms, you must let go of the foot switch. Otherwise, it will overheat and start melting the surrounding joints just like a soldering iron would.

 

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The discharge chutes glued up really strong with the J-B Weld. I cleaned that up a bit too. Next up will be installing ladders and grab irons. Then I'll finish up the roof and prepare for painting. The trucks will be aged and toned down quite a bit, and we'll lose the giant O'gauge couplers.

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Thanks Mark!

 

Moving right along. Today was an exercise day so I didn't get to "work" until after 3. But I did get something done. All the ladders and grab irons are in place on the ends.  I still have to install the mechanism for the unloading chutes. The plans aren't very descriptive about what this really looks like. All the grads are soldered in place. I didn't make any drop grabs (although I probably should have since they're much safer for crew members since it prevents your foot from sliding off. While manipulating the car body to do all the measuring and soldering, the brake wheel fell off along with the foot platform that sits below it. I couldn't find the wheel. Swept the floor. Nada! When I was putting the train up on the shelf for the I kept feeling something under my shoe. Yup! I had stepped on it and it was stuck to the bottom of my Mephisto dock siders rubber sole. The wheel wasn't damaged... miracle! And I re-glued it in place.

 

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Notice the missing brake wheel.

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Almost ready to do the roof details.

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Yes! Quite miraculous. 

 

Work progressed... I searched out some pictures of Airslide hoppers to look at the mechanism around the discharge chutes. It turns out that the details on the model are very simplistic. It's actually a fairly robust pipe which is where the air goes in thus the name "airslide" hopper. I used 1/16" brass rod with an enlargement solder on along with a small True Details bolt casting.

 

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In the pic I notice that my brackets weren't the same length. DOH!

 

I then figured that I'd better prepare the mounting for the trucks and the couplers since it required the model to be upside down that the roof detail will be delicate. This is consistent with the strategy to do everything first and the roof last. I'm using a self-taping sheet metal screw that's almost the perfect size to hold on Atlas trucks. The screw head needs to be turned down about 0.030" so it just slips inside the truck mounting hole.

 

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I also had to grind about 5 threads off the length AFTER I pre-threaded the screws into the holes drilled in the truck bolster. Speaking of drilling. Wouldn't you know it... the center of the bolster lies directly below the middle of the car body end wall. The drill opened up the wall with a crescent shaped hole, which I then needed to fill.

 

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I'll finish that up tomorrow after the spackle dries.

 

I had to build up the Kadee couplers. One of the knuckle springs was separate and I had to install that very small spring. My first attempt went "Boing". I was able to find it after sweeping the floor. The next time I remembered a useful trick. Put a piece of thread through the spring, hold onto the thread while messing around with the tweezers. Worked like a charm! After the spring's in, pull out the thread. 

 

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I followed instructions posted by one of our readers in that I used my automatic center punch to swage the screw holes a bit to lock the lid onto the assembled Kadee coupler. It keeps it from falling apart while attaching it to the model. Then I put the trucks back on after removing the 3-rail couplers. Had to see how it looked lashed up with the other two kit-built cars in my inventory.

 

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Coupler height is perfect.

 

Lastly I installed the roof ribs. Instead of using the very old wood strips, I substituted styrene. You make a small v-shaped notch in the middle to help the strips conform to the roof pitch. This is held on with CA. Ends are trimmed with the Xuron flush-cutters and the tops get sanded flat to accommodate the roof walks which will go on next session. 

 

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Boy! You miss posting a couple of days and you're already on page 2...

 

I did work on Friday and did some work today. Except for the stirrups, the car is done and ready for paint. I'm thinking, I'm going to put it aside and start something else until Spring when I can do the prime painting outside.

 

After finishing up the roof ribs, I installed the roof walks. Before glueing them in they first had to be cut to length. Of the three pieces the end two had to be shortened about 1/4" each. Then I had to put the side walks on before gluing it down. The model had this as a white-metal, butt joint which was totally impractical. I made a couple of brass supports for underneath and the whole deal was CA'd together. Then it was time to glue it all down. 

 

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There's a 90° grab iron in the corners that needed making. I bent this out of .020" brass and used a small model ship parts i-bolt in the middle. I soldered this eyebolt in its position with the RSU. I drilled some holes in a wood block to hold everything still while soldering.

 

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Then I drilled the holes in the walks, inserted and then CA'd the grabs into position.

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With the roof walks done, I could measure and install the loading hatches. These are held in place with medium viscosity CA. The top is now complete.

 

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Some more work is needed underneath. I had to add the train line air line and the corner stirrups. I routed the airline based on the model's drawing. I used some left over eye bolts from the Brennan chain link fence project. I also wanted to add the simulated glad hands the I removed from the large O'gauge Atlas couplers on these freight trucks.

 

Eyebolts were held in with CA.

 

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In addition to CA, I used some twisted black iron wire to reinforce the plastic to steel-wire glue joint. I also made one more eyebolt to secure the air line end to the end beam. This was soldered in with the RSU.

 

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I'm now sure that the airline end will hold up in operational use. I tried the trucks back on and sure enough, they impinged on the eyebolts sticking up on the bolster. I mashed one end's down so it cleared, and repositioned the other and went to a U-bolt arrangement. I also sawed off the remaining lug on the truck that attached the original coupler.

 

Here's the last parts to be made that will go on in the next session. I produced them out photo-etch-fret brass. I'm going to solder these on since they going onto a piece of brass channel. That's another advantage of using brass over the kit's basswood. Gluing brass to basswood produces sub-par results.

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Andre, I re-read the glad-hand article. I may (or may not) attempt that on some of my car kits. I'm also actually thinking about getting some protocraft scale couplers. I'm impressed that you could drill a #75 hole in the apex of a curved surface. I usually like to put a flat where the drill's going to go so it doesn't wander too badly.

 

Incidentally, it was interesting to read the editorial in the OST issue that arrived yesterday. He was speaking directly to the article series on my substation that they decided to not accept as a result of being a forum contributor. I still think they're missing the boat. I'm not at liberty to discuss further, but time will show that their policy needs to be updated.

That's a good idea since my commercial V-blocks simply have V's that too big for miniature work.

 

I didn't seem to post these pictures. I went directly to Diecast Directs showroom since it's all of 41 miles from my house outside of Frankfort, KY. It's a really nice place with tons of things to choose from. I was like a kid in a candy store and bought the electrical service trucks, a nice little 50s Ford pickup with some street repair accessories, and asked and received a 1959, Olds 98 2-coupe which was very similar to the first car that I owned. I purchased my 59 Olds in 1965 while attending Michigan State. I drove it for two years before getting my Ford Fairlane GTA, but that's another story.

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The Olds model was beautiful, with separately applied photo-etched stainless trim. The finish was flawless and it wasn't cheap ($65). It had a nice plastic show case.

 

Anyway, I took the tape off the showcase cover upstairs to admire the car. Then I took all of them downstairs. When I went to pick up the Olds' case, I inadvertently grabbed it by the now-loose lid of the showcase, and the bottom dropped out with the car, did a 180 in mid-air and landed car-side-down on the concrete. The splat was horrible! The car almost disintegrated. It is not die-cast. It was resin! The frame fractured in half, the body fractured in two large pieces. The roof fractured, and the back window popped out. Trim came un-done all over. The steering wheel came off. I was heart-broken.

 

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The picture was taken AFTER I had glued the chassis back together. I didn't think it was possible to put this humpty-dumpty back together again. But I persisted.

 

Here it is reassembled.

 

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At a distance the car looks acceptable. Close up it's a wreck. The perfect finish is perfect no more. CA got loose and got onto the finish. The stainless trim is very hard to get back in place once its been disturbed. My car was black with a white convertible top. Here's me in my one and only successful drag racing experience with the car. I won a trophy... I was the only person in my class so all I had to do was get down the strip without blowing my engine. I believe the pic was taken in the Summer of '66.

 My Oldsmobile at Vargo 1966

 

There's a silver lining. I bought the cars with the American Express Card. They have a product protection plan. If a product bought with the card is lost or damaged within 30 days of the purchase, they refund the purchase price. I contacted them, filled out the form and the money was back in my account in 24 hours.

 

So the car is sitting nicely in the station parking lot. It looks good as long as you don't look to close. As much as I would have wanted it to be pristine, at least I'm not out the $65 dollars. Kudos to American Express.

 

The Airslide car is finished except for paint and decals. Since I don't have a spray booth, I'm going to wait until Spring to spray the primer outside. I'm thinking seriously of getting a spray booth that can be vented outside.

 

I mounted the corner stirrups by using the RSU and soldering them in place. I then installed the trucks and put it on the railroad. Even unpainted it looks good in the train.

 

 

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There's actually one little detail that needs to be added. There are two angle braces under the roof walk overhang on each end that needs to be installed. The brass construction experiment was successful and I'm going to do the same thing on the other  hopper car kits that I have.

 

I'm now noodling what to do next. I may build another car, work on the Les Lewis fire house, or start on the mountain construction. I still have a lot of design work to do on the distillery and am waiting from Marty to get back to me on the laser-cutting test. I need laser cutting on both the distillery and the engine house projects. I'm also starting to design a coal mine, and have laid out some more spur trackage that will serve the distillery and the coal mine. The distillery will need a short spur into town. The coal mine will need a spur near the mountain. The spurs will require 3 additional Ross switches; a #4, #11 and O-80, plus about 4 pieces of O-88 curved track. I still have enough straights and roadbed left over the initial construction.

 

I did a size test to determine what size tunnel portal I'll need to have the tunnel entrances on curves. I used the Allegheny as a my test case since it has the widest overhang. It has to be at least 5" wide and high. The Scenic Express Pennsylvania Cut Stone Portal is wide enough and is 6.5" high at the top of the curve. It should work. None of their other styles were high enough. I'm going to use wing walls as well. If I get them soon, it will be the mountain that will be built. Grandkids and spouse have all said that it's time to start filling in the right side of the layout.

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I put those roof walk braces on. Of course it took longer than I expected. I had to solder the lower end to the brass, then CA'd the upper end under the roof walks. Done. I attempted to put more filler into that gap made by the drill for the truck screw. Of course that turned out to be a mess... broke off a ladder and then knocked off one the big diagonal braces inside the end framing. I soldered the lower end of these braces on one end of the car, but the other end I CA'd both ends (that was the end I did first). So I had to scrape all the CA off and then solder it. Finally, I glued the ladder back on.

 

So what to do...? I started building the next car kit: a PS-2 covered hopper. Although very similar to the Airslide (size, shape and construction) it's an easier kit. It doesn't have the separate roof sheeting. It also doesn't have those pesky roof ribs that kept coming un-glued. The end framing is also simpler. 

 

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The only complication is the side sheeting is in 3 parts. The center piece is plain with no ribs. It contacts the center internal support. The two other sheets butt glue to that sheet, but have no support directly under the joint. Again I used Super-Phatic aliphatic liquid cement to make the seam between the three pieces. After gluing the sides to the frame I realized that it needed a little support at these joints.

 

I just cut a couple piece of 1/4" styrene rod and placed it between the sides right under the joint. Also note the other pieces of reinforcement. The lengthwise ones are also supporting that joint, and the end pieces are pulling out a slight warp in those pieces. Since I took this pictures, I glued on the roof.

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Believe it or not, but the roof ends were not square. It was a parallelogram. I was measuring the overhand on both ends and was drawing a line across with the square. I just for the heck of it checked squareness and founds that both ends were off-square the same way. I drew a true line, knocked off most with the belt sander and then finished it up on the NWSL precision sander. Then I glued on the roof, clamped it and left it overnight.

 

Since the weather was so gross today, I was able to work in the shop.

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I'm not seeing your images for some reason.  Could be my browser.  But it sounds like you are making good progress.

 

I meant to mention.  the '59 Olds you have is the same that I got about two weeks ago and found was slight "hogbacked" -- droopy on both ends, as if it had sagged, etc.  I think it was probably a weak casting/whatever when it broke.  You did a good job of fixing it, given everything. 

 

You can't see it in this picture - it looks okay on the layout - but it sags down about four to six scale inches at the front and rear..

 

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If you'll notice the pic of my Olds (the real one) my bumper drooped. I hit something at some time and the bumper drooped. It wasn't worth fixing. Like I noted before, the model is resin, not diecast so the drooping could be because it wasn't cured sufficiently. I would really like to know how they put on that very fine stainless photo etch. There doesn't appear to be any CA in the grooves, yet the stuff stays on...until you drop it face down on the floor. Any ideas?

 

BTW: Your streets are exceptional! Where'd you get the parking meters?

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Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

If you'll notice the pic of my Olds (the real one) my bumper drooped. I hit something at some time and the bumper drooped. It wasn't worth fixing. Like I noted before, the model is resin, not diecast so the drooping could be because it wasn't cured sufficiently. I would really like to know how they put on that very fine stainless photo etch. There doesn't appear to be any CA in the grooves, yet the stuff stays on...until you drop it face down on the floor. Any ideas?

 

BTW: Your streets are exceptional! Where'd you get the parking meters?

The Parking meters are in a woodland scenics set, number O A2764.

 

 

I'm still not seeing your photos, but why is a mystery.  

 

I imagine it was fun at the dragstrip with your '59 Olds even if the car was not a winner all the time.  

 

My Dad had a '60 Super 88 and I remember the thing was not a great car at the dragstrip, not that he would take it there, or let me, but I drove it enough to know that ours was very slow off the line.  As I recall it had an automatic without a torque converter and it weighed a lot; a few years later he bought a '65 Super 88 witha 425 and I recall him mentioning it was a lot faster (and was it ever!) not just because the bigger engine and the better trans, but because it was nearly 1000 pounds less than the '60.  Still, we kept the '60 forever and it never wore out.  

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Myles and Lee,

Both of your Olds look terrific!  

 

I'll bet your heart skipped a beat as the brand new one fell!  You did an excellent job putting it back together!  While I'm younger than both of you, 58, I can remember cars like those on the highway as a child.  As with trains, anything more modern just doesn't impress me as much as these or older vehicles.

50s cars looked cool. They changed radically every model year but were mechanically not so hot. We're very jaded now. While cars cost 10X more than they did in the 50s, the amount of maintenance they require simply isn't in the same realm. There are no more "service stations" because cars simply don't need so much service.

 

My olds, by 60,000 miles, had a valve job, needed a trans overhaul, had a carb re-build. It had the steering box re-welded to the frame rail since that model year had a flaw that kept cracking the frame rail where the steering attached. That would have been a re-call and probably as scandal today. Plugs and points every 10,000 miles. Tires that were shot at 25,000. An entire industry around trans repairs. BTW: Cottman Transmission closed here a few months ago. They started 2 miles from my house in Philly on Cottman Ave. My dad used to say "the only thing good about the good old days was that they were old." My 69 Rambler Ambassador (that was the car I traded my hot-rod Fairlane on...worst car decision I ever made) had the radiator spring a lead at 25,000. It was the car that couldn't start in rain, fog, mist, high humidity, etc.

 

Nostalgia does funny things... Recirculating ball steering was imprecise. My brother in law who's 10 years older than me still drives his Acura MDX (with precise rack-and-pinion steering) by swinging the wheel this way and that because when he learned to drive, car steering wandered. You had to keep adjusting. Rack and pinion doesn't wander a bit unless your alignment is off.

 

Cars got 8 miles to a gallon. Sure... gas was cheaper, but the cars consumed lots and lots of it. They dieseled when you turned them off if you had any miles on them. If your distributor cap had a crack in it, try and start it when it was raining. The only thing I miss about the old cars is their audacious designs (think the 59 Caddie or Plymouth), but I don't miss what was under the skin. Those were the years when the Big 3 had effectively no competition, and the cars they made were utter crap. I Simonized the paint right off the fenders of my olds. If the door handles didn't get put on in assembly, they threw them in back seat and the dealership had to make it right.

 

I know I'm ranting, but the Internet tends to get folks of our age waxing nostalgic and it sometimes needs to be analyzed a bit and brought back to reality. The fact it, we're in the best age ever. We have things that filled science-fiction books (except flying cars and teleportation. Where the heck is that teleportation? That would solve the airport problem). Cars don't rust out anymore. Today, a car hitting 100,000 miles is no big deal. In 1959 it was a big deal. I have a Buick LaCrosse that drives and rides better than any car I've ever owned. Looks cool. Is extremely comfortable and gets 30 mpg at 75 mph. I'm happy to have my old cars a 1:43 and I'll try to keep from dropping them on the concrete floor.

No need to apologize for the 'rant'.  I totally agree.  My first car, a '69 Ford Galaxy XL was shot by '76.  The body was fine, the frame had rusted out, not to mention many mechanical repairs.

 

different body styles every year - my uncle traded in for a new car every year in the '50s and '60s.  All GM.  He used to show us slides from their annual vacations.  he always knew off the top of his head what year they went where.  Once my aunt asked how he could remember the dates.  He said he always made it a point to take one photo with the car in a parking lot at the attraction.

That's how you had to do it. People used to trade every year since once the car was two or three, it started falling apart. I think one of the most important developments was when they started using galvanized body panels and monocoque construction. The company paying my retirement, Henkel, makes the chemicals and baths that they dip the entire car body into to prevent corrosion. It really works. Cars just don't rust out anymore. They may look like old wrecks when the clear coat starts peeling off, but they don't rust. Remember the 57 and 58 Chevys? The beetle brows over the headlights would start rusting out in a couple of years if you lived any where there was snow (and salt). They didn't have fender liners. The snow and salt would get flung up into the brow and the rotting would commence. Sometime in the 60s or 70s, they started installing polymer fender liners and that kind of corrosion ended.

 

I've got almost 80,000 on my Acura and the only thing I've fixed was a set of brakes, windshield wipers, and two new batteries. The first was on warranty. No tunes ups. Oil changes every 7,000 miles. A couple of sets of tires. That's it.

The clear coat just started coming off the trunk lid of my daughter's 2003 Hyundai Elantra last year.  Of course she was disappointed, but it's 12 years old.  My 2004 Sonata still looks good in Pennsylvania winters.

 

if you are looking for votes, I vote you start on the firehouse next.  Of course I like mountain scenery a lot. ;-). This is the golden age of a layout.  Lots of projects left to do, but if you just want to run trains, the track and controls are in, so let them run.  Same goes with photography.  There is lots completed to photograph.

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 A note on my best land yacht before I rant a bit.

  The coral & white, white roof, 59 Pontiac Star Chief, with blue dot Caddie bullet lenses high on the fins, where the reverse lights were, & reverse lights moved into the lower bumper. Seated 7 teens nicely, 9 in a pinch, and a trunk that could eat Cleveland. But 6mpg city, 9hwy got old in weeks. 69 slant six Valiant to the rescue! (note: later had a 72 Impala. The Imp. trunk I think was smaller. But, a 72 Imp. trunk, still holds more than a 74 ford station wagon. One big tent, an inflatable boat, and a cooler did fit on the Ford roof rack.[no gear change] Yes, that was an original "Family Truckster Wagon" Dark pea green & cheesy wood grain.

 

 OK.. primed for rant..

 

  Cars may last longer on the outside now, and engines do better, but I think transmissions are weaker then ever. The quest for mpg is part of that.

 

 New is great from a driver perspective. That is, if you don't mind using dealers for maintaining them, you can drive them worry free. Other shops just don't get the training, or tools soon enough, to trust the work to. 

 If you had to work on one yourself today, because dealership work is not in your budget, (and/or half your friends are the mechanics & you're better) Well, you might feel different about them.  

  

 Chassis design has come a long way, but the quality of the design while near its end life gets real scary now.

   The chassis were built with overkill. That used to result in a rolling chassis without power eventually. That's long gone. Now we have our unsafe, but running chassis, hauled away... if we don't wreck it first. In practice, that part doesn't seem better, or safer to me.

  The brackets, and other necessities including electrical, barely get by that 10 year expected life span before they die of corrosion in Mich.(we don't even seem to know how to plow anymore, just lay salt till your traveling in a salty grey Slurpie.) 

   Rusty hardware, used to only require some penetrating oil most of the time. If you spray the stuff on modern cars, flaking steel begins failing, brackets, and clamps crumble, sheet metal crumbles, and something falls off soon after. Welded nuts break leaving holes etc.. and epoxy glue is often the chosen repair method because you cant weld the thin metal once corrosion starts. 

 So after cars of the 80s, and later, reached about 5 years old, I quit working on them for people, and let my "for fun" mech. license go with the last carburetors. Too much to go wrong with an accidental bump. Testing for weakness, is basically breaking things now. If it looks old, replace it. 

 Oh don't forget about all the specialized tools, or having to perform stunts to work on things. We had the Olds W30, & Dodge spark plugs, and other stupid blunders for our early mechanics to hate us over. But dropping the Escort exhaust at each oil change to remove the filter was an omen...and as I feared, KISS, no longer has a place in vehicle design. Nor does repair. Its all designed around "acceptable risk" over quality.

 

 My last big paid out car repair? 18hrs for a failed O-ring. A flare fitting would have just needed snugging a bit. Betcha!  or a 90 degree fitting of either type, added to the box (had to be done before installation), would have avoided the whole fiasco. Want to bet it was on the designers 1st version? A part eliminated to save 25¢.

 

 I hate front wheel drive. No saving it. It has promoted acceptance of mushy handling across the board.

I know a 21 year old rich & spoiled, & a high $ "driving machine" snob. After driving a tweaked suspension 73 charger, he is hooked on old cars (still hates the looks).

He says "they react better" I say no, but you can feel when they are about to react.

Him being impressed with that boat, should lend thought to the fact it's different now, not really "better".

 Steering handling today has so much self centering, it feels like unresponsive mush to me. In reverse, many cars dog track, and shift track so bad there should be a 3mph governor on them.(try backing up 20ft. How many times did you have to correct, and if you didn't correct it, how bad would the deviation be. My guess is you're halfway out of your intended position, in a better tracking car.

Now do it in an old car. Its straight, or at least predictable.

It seems its is worse by the new cars "end life" too.

My credentials? I owned, & ran (& sold) a valet parking company for 17yrs off & on.

Few get the insight on vehicle habits (or peoples) that, that job affords you.

No "Ferris Bueller" stunts, unless you paid me (really happens "here's some money, now go abuse my fast car"  , or went with me (way funner. I aint scared, passengers are ).. Anyhow, backing up 50 yards happened multiple times daily newer cars just don't like to reverse well (except M.Benz., they all backup well.)

 

The most memorable things in automotive for me are all shifters.

 The feel of an old gated Ferrari, or Vette shifter taunts "you cant can't break me, but try!" And on the opposite end, the delicate, yet smooth, and accurate feel, of moving an old Rolls automatic into gear.... Nothing like it .

Honorable mention for the Audi TT automatic shifter.

     

 

 

avanti cars are safer today versus 1963 as in 1963 & prior autos seat belts for the most part were an option and most people never wore them. there were no abs,headrests,airbags, steering columns didn't collapse and few cars had padded dashes. cars today are designed to have crush zones so all this makes a car safer. at the corvette museum a couple of years ago a c5 vette was on display that hit a brick wall at over 160 mph the car was destroyed outside but the cockpit was intact with only the dash and console were broken and the occupants survived with only minor injuries.

trainman 2001 the cars today have 1 thing going for the that's fuel injection. it maintains a perfect fuel/air mixture that carbs can't do which makes the engines last longer. the transmissions are junk my 91 caprice with 4spd auto and a 305 got 28 to 30 mpg. my 12 impala gets the same mileage with a 3.6 and 6 spd smaller and lighter car. maintaince on these new cars are a joke very complex and tons of specialty tools and trying to diagnose problems make one a electrician rather than a mechanic. no one raises the hood anymore to do checks on their vehicle and when the repair bills are astronomical people claim the mechanic ripped me off. you are comparing apples to oranges. as a side note my family has been in the auto repair business since jan 15,1915. the cars of today are just like the model trains of today very high tech and complex, my lionel 675 from 1948 still runs perfect do you think that the trains of today will be running 67 years from now?    i still prefer my 69 427 Camaro(3 mpg) and 70 454 Chevelle(5 mpg) over my c5 Vette (28 mpg hwy).

I think we all look back on our favorite cars of long ago with nostalgia.  They were romantic and some of them were beautiful, and a few of them fast (even by today's standards) but they really were poor performing cars compared to today's.

 

I have a Chevy Volt that is just a spectacular daily driver: smooth, quiet, instantly responsive with more around-town torque than some small V8s, and utterly reliable after nearly four years.  It gets 4 miles per kilowatt hour on wall-plug power and 44 mpg city and highway on gasoline, and does 0-60 in around 8.5 seconds, or just a smidgen slower than my dad's '65 425 4-bl Super 88 that got 10 mpg on a good day.  I often wonder what I would have thought of this car in 1965, with its stodgy appearance, 1.4 liter 84 HP generator under the hood and extreme design emphasis on efficiency.

 

I know exactly what I would have thought of my other car in 1965: I drew it all the time in study hall and I promised myself I would own one some day.  It's a recent Italian exotic and while it is very fast - only car I've ever bought with a claimed quarter mile under 1.5 and a top end over 200 mph in stock form.  Despite that it can go two years between oil changes (I do it every year just because . . .), and seldom needs any other service (although when it will it will be $$), and gets 19 mph - lousy by today's standards but exceptional compared to 1960s and the 1970s.  

 

I love them both, but one thing: if and when they break, I won't really need to call a mechanic.  I'll need to call a programmer. 

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This has been a fun diversion...

 

There are many more serious injuries from auto accidents that used to be fatalities. Even minor accidents 50 years ago would be fatal depending on how you hit the windshield with your head or how you were ejected from the vehicle. Even today, you hear the usual weekend reports of teens in accidents and the minute you hear, "two were ejected from the vehicle and were dead", you immediately know that the idiots didn't have their seat belts on. Some would argue that it's natural selection. My kids were trained that the car didn't start unless everyone was belted. They, as teen drivers, enforced that with their friends. 

 

It's also interesting that many of the technical advances in auto engines today were developed out of aircraft and diesel engine technology from the 40s. Overhead cams, roller lifters, fuel injection, turbo-chargers, all were WWII developments. Even fuel injection. The only really modern development is the application of computers to control everything. That's the part that took it out of the hands of the backyard mechanic. It's also maybe a reason why there's such a draw about restoring old cars since the technology is manageable by people without $10,000 worth of computerized diagnostic equipment.

 

Incidentally, I taught Power Technology in Jr and senior high in my early career. We fixed gas and diesel. I even had a gas turbine auxiliary power unit donated by the US Navy. The was between 1968 and 1975, and the pollution control equipment was starting to destroy engine performance before they figured out how to get clean burn, high efficiency, and high horsepower all at the same time. It looked bleak for a while, but then the Japanese invasion really hit, upped the competition and Detroit had to get their act together or else.

 

Even engine assembly... how many people have seen a car burning oil lately? Pistons are fitted digitally so the cylinder bore size and piston size is matched, ergo, no more "loose or tight" engines. Metallurgy has evolved so aluminum blocks are the norm, not the exception. Both the Acura and the Buick have spectacular engines. Both have variable valve timing. The Buick is even more high tech with direct (think diesel) injection. 303 HP out of a medium-sized V6. You needed a pretty robust V8 in the 50s to get that. 

 

And Lee, I would love a Chevy Volt. With the limited driving I now do in the Acura, I would never have to add a drop of gas. I'd need to burn it just so it wouldn't get stale in the tank.

Trainman2001:  You are definately right at death rates.  The oldest memory I have of a "bad time" was when I was four.  My Mom got a phone call during during the middle of the day that her brother had been killed in an auto wreck that morning. She just melted down right there and started crying and sobbing.    I was terrified.  My uncle was going about 25 mph and the other car maybe 35 or 40, but he was in a '50 Buick and had no seatbelt. My Dad explained years later, when teaching me to drive and always wear seatbelts, that the Buick's windshield had been safety glass, but it popped out and he was thrown onto the hood and rolled off or something and one of the cars tumbled over him.  Both he and the other driver were killed.  Today, they'd both have to get new cars - and new underwear -  and that's about it.

 

As to my Volt, until this year, I only burn gasoline when I travel cross country, otherwise I never used it.  Its fun to try for maximumn range and I can coax up to 44 miles out of the car in summer, with the AC on, if I work at driving smoothly.  

 

Or at least I used no gas, daily, until this winter.  The one serious weakness of an electric car is its heater, or rather lack of one.  At best it is a mediocre heater, but it defrosts and eventually heats the car - and cuts the range by nearly half if put in :comfort mode."  During this recent cold spell, I have not charged the car and that forces it to start the engine immediately - and produce lots of hot radiator coolant to run the heater.  Wonderful!

 

Spence, I love my Volt, but my son works for Ford and I not only get a discount I feel a loyalty to his company.  I have seriously considered getting a Focus Electric when the Volt reaches an age where I feel I need to replace it.  My son gives me a call when any new model comes to the dealership - the only interesting thing I have not driven is the very rare 1,000 HP Shelby Mustang, and I liked the Electric Focus a lot.  Great car. 

I'm getting very envious... trains and hot cars! Wow!

 

Okay...enough about cars.

 

I put some more sanding sealer on the hopper car, polished it with 00 steel wool, and then laid out and shaped brass end pieces to replace the strip wood. I'm going to approach this car similarly as I did with the Airslide, but will simplify construction and keep it all square.

 

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As you can see, I already added the thick stuff of top of the extension where the coupler box will go. There's also some aircraft ply end pieces on the tapered extension that hides the end grain of that solid block. The model came with some thin strip wood pieces to cover this part, but one was missing. Then I mistakenly thought that the piece plus the end caps fit inside the body sides and trimmed off about 1/16". It did not. The solid block did, but the end caps were supposed to butt up against the sides. So I had to add back the material.

 

The roof end caps also hide end grain, but extend down further and form part of the end framing. This is .020" brass. I wish I had a metal shear. Using tin snips to cut the brass results in pieces that have a lot of curl and deformation which I have to bend and beat out. I'm using epoxy to glue the brass to the wood. I hope it's strong enough. Plan B will be to solder some pins into the brass and insert them into the wood with more epoxy. 

 

To hold the pieces while they cured, I first tried to use a big quick clamp, but it kept pushing the pieces out of position. I finally resorted to gravity. Because the roof is pitched, the pressure was uneven on the brass so I had to put some readily available shims to apply even pressure.

 

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Went downstairs and checked and the epoxy was cured enough to take off the weight.

 

Here's the end pieces in place. One end slide a little off to the side, but it shouldn't be too noticeable. The one thing I don't like about epoxy is the lack of tack. In fact, it's kind of slippery. Parts move out of position very easily. I'm going to try and use epoxy and CA where the CA will provide the tack and the epoxy applies the ultimate strength.

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Tomorrow, I finish up the top edge a bit and start assembling and soldering the rest of the framing. That's why solder is so much fun! When it cools it's stuck! Instead of making a coped joint and soldering the bottom-frame channel, I'm going to try and notch and bend the corners 90° thereby eliminated a solder joint and another joint that could come un-soldered when putting on the vertical framing. I'm also going to try and make the ladders instead of using the white metal ones in the kit. The ladder's frame is also part of the corner framing. It should be drilled angle brass with forms rungs soldered between them. It will look better and be stronger if I do that.

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Hopefully the full body dips become standard procedure across the board.

The safety I was hinting at was suspension/drive train to chassis related. And some stamped steel parts issues. Fresh treatment during installation on scratch points would help significantly too.  One word to go along with the boats.. Zebart

 

 The auto industry hasn't been too free in the info dept. Its not that some home mechanics don't want to move forward, but lawmakers, and lawyers squash the fun continuously. (Before someone beats the industry to the next idea?)

 And with the "international uniform building code" likely in effect in your neighborhood (know it or not) its now illegal to work on your car, outside of your garage, but on your property, allowing it to become "disabled" in the process. Ie no oil/fluid changes, new shocks, etc. Not even a tire swap. Ask me how I know.

 Check out the history of "Tucker style" industry hassle given Mega Squirt, an open code, build it yourself, customizable, FI system, that could save classics, smog, and money. Later versions, are learning computers with a complete system costing less than $1000. 

 

 I drove a few hybrids. Nice enough. The engine turning on and off would always startle me though. The butterfly stomach you get when your engine stalls, didn't go away. I'd need a full time electric. Not exactly a new technology, they kind of predate petrol.

      Now convertible....................or Smart Car?

Electric Oldsmobile from 1896Detroit Electric Car [4)

 

This guy is still waiting for those charging stations!

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The ord. cop that visited me, would have had a field day here. I count 8 tickets. Not including not parking on pavement .

 

Hey, wasn't some guy building cool stuff in this thread once?....

I actually love the side banter between your pages of "gold" too

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Originally Posted by 69nickeycamaro:

Adriatic that was a response to avanti not claiming that  the steady breaker i mean studebaker was safer in 1963

While my reading too literally is often the norm. I read it right. But couldn't resist the Stud. joke.

Although you never know when the Avanti, a Bricklin, or Delorean will be produced again. Its happened before.  

Ahhhh! The Avanti. It was one of my favorite designs in the 60s. I went to Michigan State to become a auto stylist. As it worked out, there was a fork in the road and I ended up as a shop teacher. I've had a great career so no harm, no foul, but the reason a Philly boy was hanging out in Michigan for almost five years was because they were one of the few industrial design schools that had an emphasis on transportation design. Therefore, I paid a lot of attention to auto design (still do). My favorites: Avanti, 55 Caddie Eldorado, 63 Stingray, 56 T-bird, Continental Mark 2. 

A shop teacher! Oh, that just makes too much sense to be based in reality!

Your a natural here. I bet sooner or later, even the idiot you think isn't paying attention, thanks you in his prayers, if not at a hardware store when he sees you again 20 years later ......Like I got to

A tad more noble work than car design. From the ones that never get to see you again; Thanks for being there for them (best I can do outside a millage vote)      

 

Originally Posted by Trainman2001:

Ahhhh! The Avanti. It was one of my favorite designs in the 60s. I went to Michigan State to become a auto stylist. As it worked out, there was a fork in the road and I ended up as a shop teacher. I've had a great career so no harm, no foul, but the reason a Philly boy was hanging out in Michigan for almost five years was because they were one of the few industrial design schools that had an emphasis on transportation design. Therefore, I paid a lot of attention to auto design (still do). My favorites: Avanti, 55 Caddie Eldorado, 63 Stingray, 56 T-bird, Continental Mark 2. 

The Avanti was one of my favorites too.  Back in '78 I worked in an industrial park and walked the park at lunch time.  Every day there was one parked in the front lot a couple of buildings up from mine.  I hoped I would see the owner out at lunch, but never did.

I liked the Avanti, '55 Eldorado, and particularly the split window 'vette a lot, too.  I was never a fan of the '57 T-Bird though.   I also thought the initial Buick Riviera was a stunningly elegant design, even if it was not exactly the type of car I most wanted. 

 

Currently, I am both proud of the US manufacturers again and find it ironic how upside down the industry is compared to a few decades ago.  Look at today's Cadillacs and Teslas compared to current Mercedes and BMW and Acura, etc.  Do you remember when it was the European cars that had the clean, simple, elegant styling, while American cars had all the contrived "sculpture and trim"?

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

.....I also thought the initial Buick Riviera was a stunningly elegant design, even if it

was not exactly the type of car I most wanted....

 

My father recently sold his beloved '63 Riviera.  Been in our family since new.  He's always been a "Buick Man" and I remember our famly '65/67 Wildcats, & '68/73 Rivieras.

 

OF all the cars we had, he loved the 63 Riviera the most.  Which is why it was in our family so long.  It was an incredible car and as the saying goes, they don't build cars like that anymore.

 

Though I don't always comment, I check this thread each day and enjoy the progress on your RR.  You're a true craftsman and I'm not surprised you were a shop teacher in a former life!

86, I'm glad you enjoy reading the thread. I got a communication saying that I should add more descriptors in the header so folks will know what's new in the Saga. I think I'll do that.

 

So tell me... just how many people actually follow this thread. I know I have a cadre of regular boosters (less than 10), but how many folks actually pay attention to it? I'm asking because it has come up in discussions with the publisher of another train mag who chose not to publish an article about the substation based on having "given it away for free" in this forum. My contention is that they're restricting their readership from seeing it based on a small amount of folks who've actually viewed the pics in this forum.

 

There's a rule of thumb that it's about a 25:1 ratio of thread viewers vs. thread commenters. That would be about 250 forum readers who follow my thread. But is it really? How can one find out?

I would look at the number of individual posters for your guess at the numbers.

 There are 25 alone, who "liked" the topic. I bet the majority have the alert on.

   In addition, I'd bet out of the individual posters, a great number did so to compliment you, and as a quick way to turn the alerts on.

 The number of "browsers" that are out there, and regular????

Lots of folk don't bother with the likes.

I read here on OGRF for near two years before joining.

I'm sure the number anonymous people interested, far exceeds the aperrent  

 

 

 I've noticed a trend lately on various Craigslist cities, FB, and other sites as well, for folks giving hobby classes, and/or individual tutoring. One here in Michigan is specifically for layout scenery! An occasional 1/2 day-3day (monthly, quarterly?) workshop group, seems like an easy way to pull in a few bucks, have fun, meet people, and dabble in your old work, your subject, on your time, your way, at your leisure.

 

  I attended lots of classes like that starting as a kid. Really enjoyed them. One guy, had a balsa glider class, and only seemed to know how to say "harder, "softer", "thinner", "no", "watch" and "see?". He just sat there watching us, while building his, from the giant blue print. We watched him, and copied him. I fell asleep a couple times it was so quiet, but I almost set a record with mine too. Stepdad disapprovingly crushed it a few years later. Real nice!. Man that thing sailed...When does class start? 

    

 

  

 

 

It's funny, I said that I could modify the thread title, but realize that you probably can't without starting a new thread. I don't want to do that since this is one continuous journey (IMHO).

 

Running clinics could be fun, especially since I'm putting out a lot of know how, experience and hard-knocks learning for free. On the other hand, I kind of like just building my stuff in the daytime and posting about it at night, without any responsibility to anyone else. I spent over 40 years in the working world training others and accepting responsibility for the competence in the organization in which I worked. It's nice to be really retired.

 

Back to construction.

The end caps were cured, that is until when filing the ends to fit, it just popped right off. It seems the epoxy held on the brass nicely, but didn't hold so well on the wood. I blame the sanding sealer which has sort of a waxy finish. I used CA and got it stuck back on. I then put the upper side pieces on. I used my new method by taking a small piece of angle, cutting a thin slot with the razor saw down to the web, and then using a square jeweler's file, file a 90 degree notch that will let the angle fold to a square corner.

 

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This provide a nice "tail" that greatly increased the soldering surface area. Here's the piece installed.

 

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The first couple were a little tricky until I figured out to tin the angle before putting it position and then sweat soldering it in place. While holding the RSU tweezers on the joint area, I used a regular tweezers to hold down the other end so it was in contact with the model when the solder cooled.

 

Here are both sides completed.

 

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With the top pieces in I started to build and install the bottom frame. Using a larger size of channel I did the same thing: cut a slice down to the web, file the square opening, and fold. Here was the first attempt tested for fit.

 

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Notice also the large slot cut so it fit over the couple mount extension. In order to fasten this structure to the wood I added brass plates to extend the gluing area.

 

 

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I got both ends fitted and mostly CA'd. I'll finish this out tomorrow. The ends are square vertically which corrects the problem I had with the Airslide Hopper. Without solder on the outer corners it will make it easier to solder the vertical angles at least on the bottom members. There's still a solder joint up top, but if I can get in and out quickly enough, that joint should hold.

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Didn't do much today, less than an hour. So I was able to start installing the big diagonal end braces on one end. Having the brass plates at the back of the sub-frame enabled me to solder both ends and get a nice strong assembly. In the Airslide, I had to use CA on the back end and I'm not happy with that.

 

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Yesterday I worked with #2 grandson on a science project: a miniature cross-bow. He came up with the plans and did the research on it. We made a pattern and cut the stock's pieces out of 3/16" Masonite. In this way, the hole for the trigger mechanism could be built in instead of cut. We'll round out the grip which is why the excess material that was glued on. It's about 1/3 size and will shot some kind of foam tipped dowel.

 

Our first attempt to make a bow wasn't successful. I thought if we laminated 1/32" aircraft play (7 layers) in a curved mold, it would make a good bow. It made a good bow, but it was completely rigid. When we attempted to bend it, it started to delaminate. I realized that the extremities couldn't be glued. So we made a second one and just glued the middle 3/4". It was quite springy and should worked when the ends are tapered. 


He found a diagram on the Web of the "Chinese style" cross bow trigger mechanism. When he showed me his trigger design, it was missing a latch to hold the string in a cocked position until the trigger was pulled. It was missing a "sear" to latch the trigger. The Chinese style trigger has a sear that latches the string release until the trigger moves the sear out of position. I imported the diagram into Adobe Illustrator and then drew the individual pieces including locating their pivot points. I then scaled it down to fit the opening we built in the stock. We'll glue these drawings onto brass and cut them out. We may or may not put a spring behind the trigger.

 

He commented how cool it was to live so close to his grandpa who has a shop where all these kinds of things can be built.

 

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The kids are coming over this weekend. #1 grandson's F-22 decals arrived from the importer so he'll get back to work finishing up that jet. The set that came with the model kept disintegrating and drove him crazy. They had to get a new set from Japan. It was a Hasegawa kit. #2 and I will work on the cross bow and I may sneak some RR work in.

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Did some more work on the grandson crossbow project. After tracing the actual Chinese trigger mechanism in Adobe Illustrator I separated them as individual pieces plus kept the assembled diagram to set the hole spacing. Pasted the individual pieces onto .030" brass and used the jeweler saw to cut the pieces out. Before cutting we drilled the pivot holes. After a little clean up, the pieces are ready to be assembled into a a working crossbow trigger. I printed the diagram out at 1/3 full size. I'm not supposed to be building the entire thing so I stopped there.

 

Today had a full work session and got some more brass framing done on the covered hopper. I'm using a larger size of angle for the corner pieces. I've noticed that many hoppers have heavier angle in the corners. I also got the remaining diagonal braces fitted and soldered.

 

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Since I'm building the ladders from scratch I soldered additional smaller angle spaced appropriately from the corners. These are assembled with the angle facing inwards so the ladder rungs fasten to the face. I'm even exploring forming the ladder rungs so they have the lugs on the bottom like the prototype which will be face soldered. I'm not looking forward to drilling all those equally spaced holes.

 

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The more I do this, the cleaner the solder joints are becoming. I'm sweat soldering as many joints as I can. For the uninitiated, this is where you apply so solder before assembling, put the parts together, and then apply the heat. With the RSU you keep the switch on until you see the pieces settle together and evidence of liquid solder peeking out of the edges. I makes a strong joint with very little excess solder to clean up.

 

With the ends still open it's again time to install the brake rigging. This time, I'm not using the kit's floral wire, but substituting .032" brass wire. I also prepared all the locations with drilled holes to accept the lugs on each of the brake casting. I also soldered a flat plate so support the air reservoir. I'm also correcting an error I made on the last car project where I put both air reservoir tube holes on the same side. They should be on opposite sides of the center seam.

 

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These aren't epoxied in yet. I still have to prepare the brake cylinder for the piston rod. I think I'll do the brakes like the last car. Building the car as a wood/metal hybrid makes a pretty good project and it's quite strong. Three more angles go on the brake end and two on the other.

 

I ordered some fresh decals and Modeltech paint from Walthers that came today. I'm going to make the Airslide into a mid-80s Burlington Northern car, and this car a Santa Fe car. The kit decals are quite old and I didn't trust them. For those that don't know, Modeltech is produced by the Badger Air Brush Company, and is the most odorless water-based model paint I've ever used. It's hard to find, but Walther's has all of it.

 

I also have lots of rivet decals left over from the bridges project and may apply them to strategic locations on the cars.

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Reading about your older decals made me think of the stuff I used to use on model airplane decals.  I believe it was made by micro-scale.  Can't remember for sure, been 25 yrs ago.

 

Basically it was a liquid decal film which when dry, kept old decals from 'dissolving' when put in water.  Worked like a champ, saved me many times.

 

I even made some of my own decals using it.

 

I'm sure something similar is made today.  One bottle will treat a lot of decal sheets. 

 

 

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I do have the Microsol decal coating and used it on the kit's decals as a precaution. I figured that if i could get new ones, I would use them and hold the old ones in reserve. I found a set on Walther's that I'm going to use. It's a Burlington Northern set so I'm going to paint the car BN green. The only problem I may be facing is the set I bought was for a 50' Airslide and I'm modeling a 40' car. I will try and make it work.

 

For the covered hopper I bought a set of Santa Fe decals instead of using the imaginary set that was in the kit: Scalecoat Paint. Quality Craft was being cute including decals for their model paint line.

 

I used future floor wax on the set of Hasegawa decals with my grandson's F-22, but the acrylic wax soaked into the decal film and changed their color. The importer sent a new set under their warranty.

Many thanks! I really enjoy posting the construction.

 

Did some brake work today, and what a nice day to work in the shop with the rain and snow coming down outside. Louisville is getting a rare, one-foot snowfall in March.

 

I built the swing arm a little differently in this car than the last, making up a set of angle brackets to trap the level. This was soldered with the RSU. I made another tubular aluminum air piston rod and saw cut a groove in it to act as a clevis to trap the middle of the swing arm.

 

 

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I was having trouble holding the brake parts still so I could fit the 0.032" pipes, so I drilled some holes in my old oak work block and set them up in the same orientation as they are in the car. This worked better. I was able to get all three pipes properly fit.

 

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Pipes are not glued in. I also realized that the triple valve must be stationary to properly fit the other pipes when assembling in the car. It was driving me nuts that it was rotating all over the place as I was trying to get everything trial fit. So I epoxied this in first and let it set overnight. Tomorrow I'll install the other two components. The out end of the upper brake arm gets soldered to another piece of angle which also forms one of the two vertical supports for the manual brake wheel.

 

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I'm not digressing into a car discussion again, but suffice it to say that the Avanti was one of my favorite designs and Raymond Lowey my inspiration of industrial designers. As many of you readers may remember, I went to Michigan State to become an industrial designer.

 

Good work session today. Finished up the framing, brake machinery, center sill, bolsters, train line work, and truck modifications.

 

Installed all the brake machines. I decided to increase the strength of the joint holding the brake support arm to the car body by drilling and soldering four pieces of .032" brass to act as pins to give more gluing surface. I then added the front support member. I made the brake arm 1/16" too short so instead of overlapping the support, it just touched it. I added another piece of angle behind the framing member to give a surface to which to solder the brake arm. I used CA to hold the brake cylinder and air reservoir to the frame, as well as holding the bracket to the car body, but all the other joints are soldered.

 

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The reservoir was annoying to get the tubes into place. I finally resorted to using a forceps to hold onto the reservoir and keep it from bouncing around while I fitted the tubes. Once everything was in place I applied CA to the tubes and the reservoir.

 

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There were lessons learned from the last car. One was to be meticulous in spacing the two framing members that support the Ajax brake mechanics. In the last job, the spacing got away from me and I had to solder a backing plate into the frame before installing the Ajax. In this case, I used the Ajax as a spacer, holding it in place with my fingers while heating the pre-soldered joint with the RSU. It worked.

 

Here's the non-brake end's framing. 

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I cut the center-sill to length based on the plans by cutting the excess off in the miter box. I sanded the ends square with the Precision Sander. I had measured the center of the car, and put a center-measure on the sill. I used Aleen's Tacky Glue and some small quick clamps to hold it in place. 

 

While this was drying I prepared the trucks and bolsters. In the last car, I drilled the bolsters when they were already on the car and drilled right into the back wall of the hopper bin. In checking the hole placement in this model, it looked like that could happen again, so I changed my plan. I drilled the hole off the car in the drill press, pre-threaded the hole with the #6 X 5/8" sheet metal screw and then hardened the threads with thin CA. This is a technique the RC aircraft guys to to strengthen screw threads in wood where you may want to take the screw in and out. The big couplers have to go and the remaining lug is cut off so the truck doesn't foul the Kadee coupler box.

 

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I remove the plastic air hose and use it on the car's train line. The sheet metal screw head is about .030" too big and needs to be turned down to .234". I use the lathe for this, but you could just as well by chucking the screw in a portable drill and running it against a file held in a vise. The device leaning against the truck is a Starett small hole gauge. It has a screw inside that pulls open the spherical jaws to contact the edges of the hole you're trying to measure. You then use a micrometer or digital caliper across the end to read the hole's size. I first tried to measure the hole by the digital caliper, but it wasn't seating well and I was getting variable reads.

 

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 Here's the turned screw.

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I also realized with the last car that the screw is so large and strong that you don't need many threads engaged to hold on a model train truck. So in this case I threaded the screws through the truck and bolster and then ground off the excess threads.

 

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With the sill dried I fit the bolsters to the car. They were both a little bit wide and had to be cut down. After that I glued them to the car and clamped them with quick clamps

 

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While the bolsters were drying I prepared the ends of the train pipe with the pieces of air hose from the Atlas trucks. Another less learned. It was difficult getting the airlines on the piece of floral wire in the last car since the train line was already glued to the car. I also carved the plastic air line to fit around the wire. This time I ground the wire flat to provide gluing surface and I prepared everything off the model holding the wire in vise. Using a spring tweezers, I held the two pieces in place and then applied thin CA.

 

The results was a much cleaner job. Again I wrapped the joints with twisted black iron wire so they won't come loose in use.

 

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Tomorrow, I'll start working on the hand-made ladder and grab irons. If I finish that I'll install the cast hopper discharge chutes and the roof walks. The model should be done some time next week.

 

Meanwhile, my design work continues on both the distillery and a scratch-built coal mine based on the article in the December 1976 Railroad Model Craftsman.

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Although it was a perfect day to work on train stuff, since both grandsons had a snow day, my time in the shop was primarily working with grandson #2 on the miniature cross-bow project. When they left late in the afternoon, I did get one thing done on the covered hopper. I wanted to fabricate a more prototypical hand brake mechanism. The upper end of the Ajax hand brake is a a pair of white metal castings for the gear box and the hand wheel. But the lower end is completely un-defined. I pulled some stuff off the web and created a facsimile of the bell crank mechanism that converts the up-and-down motion of the chain and rod to a lateral motion in line with the car's brake cylinder and rigging.

 

Here's the brake rigging done up right. It's a picture of a Proto:48 Protocraft Ajax unit. It's all lost-wax castings which I cannot do. I seriously thought about spending the money and buying this Protocraft part, but my practical half decided against it since the rest of the model is not up to this standard. For example, I'm not detailing the under-carriage. I'm not embossing every rivet, nor am I hand-building out of brass the bottom hoppers and working outlet gates. I'm making "Standoff Scale". In model RC aircraft parlance, standoff scale is a model of a real object that is best viewed from 6 feet away.

 

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Frankly, I don't know how companies like Protocraft and Precision scale do their work. Do they make the master in a much larger size and then use pantograph or NC machines to produce the miniature, or do they carve the parts in 1:48 directly out of the wax? I'd really like to know since making parts like these out of brass stock in scale is very, very difficult. Clearly, the real bell crank is a steel casting with lots of 3D definition. I made my bell crank 2D. 

 

Here's another picture showing the actual layout on a typical hopper car.

 

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And here's the mechanism on an N&W coal hopper car.

 

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The hand brake and the cylinder are aligned so they both act on the same point on the brake lever. Unfortunately, I didn't have this drawing when I mounted the cylinder to the car's frame and they aren't in line. No one will care.... but I know. The first thing I need was a mounting bracket upon which to hold the bell crank.

 

You'll notice that the hand brake mechanism is mounted on "z" channel. The channel is then offset towards the middle to be at the proper distance to support the bell crank.

 

I fabricated the mount by soldering a piece of 1/8" angle to a flat piece of brass cut out so the crank had clearance. Instead of using tin snips which curls the heck out of the parts being cut, I used my hand nibbler. It's great for making square internal cuts. You have to clean the nibbled edges up with a file, but it makes for little distortion. I soldered the two pieces together holding them with a hemostat. I used 60/40 solder for this and then used lo-temp TIX to mount the plate to the car.

 

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I hand-sketched the bell crank on a piece of .026" brass, drilled the holes and then cut it out with a fine-toothed jeweler's saw. 

 

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The bell crank is held to the bracket with a 0.032" brass pin. I soldered the pin into the bracket an then squished the end with a plier to retain the bell crank.

 

Here's the assembly soldered in place onto the car body.

 

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Using the lower temp solder prevented any of the other nearby components from de-soldering. While the hand brake is not in line with the cylinder, the bell crank is in line with the hand brake wheel. In order to mount the cylinder more to the right (in this picture) would have entailed making another mounting plate like I did for the reservoir. 

 

I would really like to find an "easy" way to make miniature clevises to connect round rods to moving parts. I think I will add the cut levers, even though the Kadees I'm using don't have provision for actual uncoupling using them. Protocraft does have scale-sized type E couplers that do open using a cut lever. Like I said, if you want to go high scale, there's many more things you have to do. And then, this car would look completely out of place with my 50 (or so) MTH, Atlas and Lionel O'scale freight cars with their enormous couplers, plastic ladders and lack of brake detailing.

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Alan, considering the level of your work, I greatly appreciate your compliment. We have a mutual admiration society going...

 

But really, how do companies like Protocraft and PSC make their brass detail parts? I'm fully conversant with the lost-wax process, but it's making the masters that puzzles me. Input would be terrific.

 

Well... I just did some research and it seems the 'modern' way to do lost wax is to 3D print the wax mold and then investment (lost-wax) cast it out of metal. So... you take a 3D scan of the prototype object, scale it to 1:48, print the wax model out on a wax, high-precision, 3D printer and voila, a perfectly created scale component in brass. All it takes is $$$$$$$.

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Not much time to work today, but did spend some time at the local hobby shop. What time I did have was just enough to take a "simple" step and make it much more complex. I hate when that happens.

 

I decided it was time to add the output chutes so the model could sit level on its bottom. This consists of 8 parts: four shaped castings representing the hopper bottoms and four casting depicting the hatch assemblies. To this you have to add 2 diagonal supports to each. They are right and left configurations.

 

Here's the first thing i screwed up. Can anyone guess what it is?

 

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The left hand hopper's hatch casting is CA'd with the lug facing the wrong way. I tried to pop this off, but it was super-glued REAL good! I will scratch build another lug and add it to the outside. That was the easy one.

 

This one is a little bit harder. This was the last of the four. After manhandling and bending the .032" brass wire, the hatch mechanism was distorted. It's white metal and does bend easily. This was the result when I tried to push it back into square.

 

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Now I had to scratch-build the entire mechanism. I decided to form the frame out of 3/32" brass square stock. Like I did with the channel frames I cut a notch with the razor saw and then open up the notch using a square jeweler's file. This lets you carefully bend it into a square rectangle.

 

After bending I soldered all the joints.

 

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The frame is slightly out of square, but it will suffice.

 

I then laid out and drilled for the cross-shaft. I drilled for a .032" brass rod to which I added a piece of 1/16" aluminum tubing to bulk it out. I'm going to turn the outside piece after I solder a piece of rectangular brass to the tops representing the wider portion of the frame.

 

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So a relatively simple step turned into a two hours of work and it's not done yet. I do hate when that happens.

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Another two hours of work and I finished repairing and restoring the hopper's hatch mechanisms. I turned the operating lug on the lathe and then squared off the four sided wrench point with a swiss pattern file that only has teeth on one face. I also clipped off the one that I mounted backwards, machined another operating lug for that one and put it on.

 

Here's the finished frame with the lug soldered on.

 

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For the enlarged area I drilled and cut a piece of small Special Shapes brass channel. I also had to add the same kind of piece on the backwards one. I did an experiment the other day and found that I can solder to this white metal. I was frankly, surprised! I used the TiX 275° solder just in case this stuff melts before the solder did. With a successful test I drilled the errant casting (.032), soldered a short piece of same-sized brass rod into the hole, soldered the channel on top of this and then soldered on the lug.

 

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And here's the four outlet chutes finally CA'd into their final position. Phew!

 

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Next session I'll again start working on the ladder rungs and all the other grabs.

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Started installing grab irons. My intent was to make drop grabs for the ladder and straight grabs for the rest. I'll describe the total process here, but suffice it to say that I really didn't get the shape right. My first practice piece was shaped correctly, but I didn't realize it and then simplified it a bit and made 28 more.

 

I measured the distance between the two uprights and produced a bending jig that was laminated of several pieces of styrene. The first go came out a little narrow, so I added .020" more and it was right. I don't make the full bends over the jig; just get the bends started. MicroMark sells an expensive bending jig for making grabs. This one was much less expensive!

 

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Using my Xuron needle nose, I complete the first bends making sure they're square and in the same plane.

 

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Using another pair of needle nose pliers that have a smaller tip cross-section, I make the second bends. This is correct for a drop grab.

 

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To be authentic, there should have bend another 90 degree backward facing bend, but I chose not to add it. Instead, I clipped the ends leaving a tail. Using my trusty vise grips, I then squash the ends to make the flat surfaces which will be fastened to the model.

 

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Here's a completed grab.

 

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And here's a whole gaggle of them.

 

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To fasten them to the model I measured off each location with the digital calipers, and then put a small drop of tinning at each spot with the RSU. Continuing to use the RSU, I stabilized the positioning of the grab with the needle nosed pliers, gripped one flat end with the RSU and heated the joint. When secured I no longer needed the pliers and moved to the other end and finished the job. I really didn't know what to expect in this step since the needle electrodes on my RSU are getting pretty blunt (I've ordered more from MicroMark) and I was afraid that I couldn't get a good purchase on this small part. I was wrong. The soldering went quite well. By surface mounting, I didn't have to sweat drilling a raft of .020" holes in the thin angle. The corner angle wouldn't be a problem, but the thinner angle would deflect when drilling and I wouldn't like the result.

 

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While not exactly the correct geometry for a drop grab, I'm thinking that I'm not going to pull them off and make another 28 in a different shape. To me, they look authentic and much better than the cast ladders with the wrong kind of rungs entirely. The only thing missing is some tiny NBW castings at each flat. I've got some really small Tichy NBWs and if I'm feeling especially compulsive (more so than usual), I might attempt to put them on.

 

For the adjacent set of rungs, I'm going to have to use the lower melting point solder since heating the same spot will un-solder all the good work. To me, nothing jazzes up a train model better than handrails and grab irons. When I was 14, I drilled the brow over the windshields on my Lionel Santa Fe 2343s and installed my own grab irons. I didn't care that I totally destroyed the re-sale value of the engines. F3s HAD TO HAVE RAILING OVER THEIR WINDSHIELD....PERIOD! I also scratch-built an interior for the lead engine. Not bad for a kid in 1959.

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Yes, the RSU is amazing. It took me a long time to bite the bullet and buy one since I wasn't sure I would be using it enough to make sense. Instead, I'm using it on almost every project. It helps that I'm finding projects that involve precision brass fabrication. Today, although I only had an hour, I got the other 7 rungs on the first end of the car. I used 60/40 solder on the thin member and the TIX on the corner angle that was adjacent to the previously attached rungs. Generally this worked, but it wasn't without its difficulties. I was having that problem with the TIX where the solder melts, it looks like you have a joint and the part just fall off. There's solder on both pieces so it's not because it didn't tin. More than a few times the rungs on the adjacent side let go, but I quickly got them back on.

 

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The most trouble was the bottom rungs. There's a lot of metal down there so heating was much slower. As a result I kept going back and forth as each side kept letting go when I was doing the other. Finally, out of desperation, I put the RSU tweezers on both adjacent rungs and heated them at the same time thereby causing them to both fuse simultaneously. Sometimes desperate moves work.

 

As far as seeming more of the railroad. I ran some trains the other night and made an iPhone movie. It shows the entire layout and it's pretty jittery.

 

It's uploading very slowly to YouTube. I will add the URL when it's completed.

 

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Did the remainder of the ladder rungs. My RSU learning curve is very steep. Literally each time I use it, I'm getting better results. This second set of rungs went on more smoothly with smaller solder footprints and with none of the redoes. I didn't use any of the TIX solder. Instead I controlled the "de-soldering" problem simply by killing the power the instant the solder under the rung melted. It's all over in about a second...no more. After finishing them I started adding the remainder. There's one on the lower right hand corner of the car frame and long ones blocking the large open areas on the right side.

 

In this part of the job, I really tried to control the initial solder amount. Before tinning, I used a small artist's brush to add some TIX liquid flux. It's a chemical that's good at breaking down the oxide film on the brass. I'm using rosin-core solder, but the TIX flux helps the action and speeds things along.

 

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Even though it looks like a lot of solder is laid down, when the rung is in place, the wicking action when they join almost makes the solder disappear. This end of the car will require less cleanup than the first end.

 

Here's the full set of rungs in place. By positioning the RSU between the far edge of the big angle away from the other rung, and the lug on the rung I wanted to solder, I was able to heat the solder area quickly enough so its solder melted and fused before the adjacent rung got hot enough to de-solder. Only with an RSU can you do this. I don't know how people built brass locomotives before its development. If you ever want to build in brass, you've just got to bite the bullet and get one.

 

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I'm really glad that I went with the surface-mount approach. They look more prototypical and I avoided drilling 28, #75 holes in the bendable brass. It worked so well that I used it for the remaining grab irons. The only area that I couldn't solder is where the grab irons attach to the wood part of the car. I didn't even give this a thought until I was measuring the bends. At first I though I'd leave that end straight and put it into a hole in the wood, but realized that I could CA the brass better if the ends were bent like the other side of the grab.

 

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I ran out of time and didn't get the remaining two long grabs in place that are right angles to the ones I installed. I was going to bend all eight of them at one go, but found that the end grabs are shorter than the side ones. The brass is already tinned waiting for them to be bent. I tried making a more prototypical drop grab, but the distance between all the bends was too great causing them to stick out too far from the car so I went back to the two-bend method that works so well.

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Thanks Mark. I like to run the trains once in a while to let the spiders know who's boss. Say what you will about O'gauge, 3-rail, Ross track. If the trains haven't run in a month, you just put on the power and away they go. Try that with HO or N gauge. You'd have to first conduct a major track cleaning exercise to get rid of all the oxide. I've replaced the ni-cad standard MTH Proto 1 with LiMH's and they seem to hold charge for a long time. 

 

Right now, besides the covered hopper, I'm making detailed laser-cutting drawings for the distillery main bldg and the side annex that's attached. Besides having to engineer all the joinery so it goes together like a Bar Mills kit, I'm also having to remove little line segments to serve as those little remaining tabs that keep all the laser cut pieces from forming a big pile at the bottom of the box.

 

I'm working with a couple of different folks to do the laser cutting. I'm thinking that once the drawings are done, it's not a far stretch to make it as a kit for others. I'm debating whether to laser cut all the bricks ($$$) or resort to more humble brick paper. I'd really like to add the brick work, but it could double the laser cutting time. I'm also thinking about making another one for display at either Heaven Hill Distilleries downtown Bourbon Experience or their visitor's center at their Bardstown bottling facility.

So true about this difference in not needing to clean the track as opposed to smaller scales.  I am amazed, since I ran HO and N for over 40 years before switching to O.

 

The laser cut project sounds very interesting.  You can put my name down as a buyer for a kit if you decide to go that route.  I would consider it A prized model after conversing with you on modeling and other topics.  I realize you may find it not feasible to do, however.  Seeing what you come up with will be fun enough.

I will definitely consider it. There's obviously more in producing a kit than creating some drawings and laser cut parts, but I'm willing to give it a try. I'm getting frustrated by the choices we O'scalers have in kit selection. How many 1940s gas stations and small freight stations do we need? Bar Mills produces great HO stuff, but they skimp on their O'scale offerings. BTS has some brilliant stuff. If I do a kit, I probably won't be able to include any of the usual white metal castings. These are available from other sources. But the kit would contain all the materials to make the structure and windows and doors. Selling a kit could make laser cutting the bricks worthwhile.

I missed a day, but didn't work too long on Friday so you didn't miss much. Over the weekend #2 grandson and I finished up the working 1/3 scale crossbow with good success. We used the "Chinese Mechanism" vs. the "Mediterranean" mechanism. The Western crossbow used a rotating nut in the trigger mechanism which we deemed to difficult to produce for this science project. Three years ago his older brother and I built a "Jacob's Ladder" which was a huge hit. The crossbow has a cocking lever, a sear, and trigger with a pallet upon which the sear sits when the bow is cocked. It shoots about 20 feet and can put an "arrow" into a block of foam from about 4 feet away.

 

Today I got back to work. Since the last report I finished up all the grabs, mounted the train line, mounted the couplers, trucks and installed the roof walk with its associated mounting pieces.

 

Here it is now.

 

CH Trucks Mounted 4

 

Here's the end grab irons in place. The hand built ladders look much better than the castings (IMHO).

 CH Trucks Mounted 3

 

I turned the model over and prepared to mount the Kadee couplers. An error showed up and the only way I can imagine how it happened. One bolster ended up being glued about an 1/8" more outboard than the other. It's not noticeable, but it encroached into the space for the coupler's draft gear. I had to carve out some relief in order to get the coupler into proper position.

 Bolster Problem

I suspect that it slipped forward under the pressure of clamp. I had spaced off the mounting position with dividers and it was the same on both ends. So for this bolster to be out of position, it occurred during the glue drying. 

 

I then mounted the trucks.

 

The roof walk is held in place with some little shaped pieces. I was originally going to use the 1/16 X 1/32 basswood in the kit, but after attempting to shape it realized that styrene would be a better choice. The roof walks were assemble like the ones in the Airslide so I won't go into the details.

 

CH Roof Walk Install

 

I laid out the location for the roof hatches and use medium CA to hold them.

 

 

 

 

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On the pictures I've pointed out some holes (now filled with CA). I entertained the thought to solder the three pieces together. I put the RSU's electrodes in contact with the white metal and in a moment they melted right through. Back to using CA with brass reinforcements underneath. I thought I could cannibalize another couple of walks from the remaining kit I have, but it's an open-topped hopper and has no roof walks. So I'm making due with the perforated parts. DOH!

 

What's left besides paint? Put on the brake mechanism, corner grabs on roof walks, and corner stirrups, and that should finish it up.

 

Meanwhile, I'm putting in lots of computing time creating a set of laser cut drawings for the distillery. If I wasn't thinking about turning it into a kit, I would have been done already, but I attempting to engineer the kit a la Bar Mills et. al. with slot and tab construction. I'm also going to laser cut roof trusses and floor mounts so it will be easy to add floors. This gets complicated real fast. Every piece has to be cross-checked to make sure that it makes with all others AND that the proper deductions are made for pieces that fit inside others. And to make matters worse, I trying to put in all the brickwork. Boring!

 

The building has some truly fancy brickwork. And it has thick masonry walls. This makes it a challenge to deal with the corners. When you slot and tab a clapboard structure, you put in corner pieces to hide the tabs. In this case the walls are 3/16" so the corners are prodigious. The corners jut out from the main walls so I'm thinking about producing capping strips that you will sand a 45 degree miter so the bricks meet in the corner. It's a great learning experience. I'm thinking we'll cut the building out of the cheapest material possible before using real stuff so we can test out all the fits. I have great respect for the laser kit manufacturers out there.

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Decided the cast chain detail on the Ajax brake mechanism had to go, especially after I broke the little hole away from the rest when trying to assemble it. I decided to use real chain and see how it would work.

 

 

CH Brake Comp

 

It's probably a tad over sized and if I'd do it again (which I will since I have one more car kit to build), I would install the chain up into the unit. As it was it was already CA'd to the car when the chain broke so I had to use some brass to link the chain to the Ajax. I then soldered three little brackets onto the car and then CA'd the work platform. This pic also shows the corner grabs on the roof walk that I also added today.

 

The last piece was the foot stirrups. 

 

CH Foot Stirrups 1

 

The instructions show the edge of the stirrup wrapping up the corner of the car. So in this first instance that's how I soldered it. But putting it on that way on the ladder side will not work well since it takes a lot of current to heat the big pieces of channel and all those rungs will melt off. So on the ladder sides I'm going to fold the stirrup under and solder it on the channel's bottom. Even with that, the chances of melt off are high.

 

I bought some new electrodes for the RSU and they really made a difference, especially when I had to put those little brackets on. I was actually able to hold the bracket in the RSU's tweezers, then touch the piece to the car, and heat it until it fused in one smooth motion.

 

Tomorrow, the remaining stirrups will go on the car and it will be mechanically complete. The weather's starting to show signs of stabilizing so it won't be long until I'm putting on primer outside.

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You're too nice. Maybe it looks like a Picasso...

 

It appears that I'm getting the substation published in a magazine so that's a start. ABB is interviewing me tomorrow to include the substation in their internal communications. So who knows where that can lead. And I'm designing the distillery to possibly be a kit for sale. So who knows where that leads too. So, even at my advanced age, things are very good and keep happening.

 

When you look in the dictionary for "late bloomer" my picture is next to it.

Finally! Some shop time. I finished up the foot stirrups on the covered hopper in a short work session yesterday. With that, the car is entirely finished mechanically. As soon as I get another warm day that's not a weekend, both cars will be premiered and painted their final colors and decaled.

 CH Complete sans paint

 

So I put the tools away and started the next project. The Westport Models Fire House. Les Lewis was going to market this kit, but I believe he didn't and I may have gotten the only one. I briefly talked about this a while back when grandson #2 and I were putting Plastruct structural shapes onto the walls to take out some warps. It's a resin kit and has all the strengths and weaknesses of that medium. 

 FH 03

 

I made the base out of a combination of Masonite and foam core. It made it wide enough to park a fire truck along side, and deep enough to have engines parked in front  without blocking the pavement. I just threw these three walls together to get an idea about fit.

 

This picture shows something unique about this model; the brickwork.

 

FH 02

 

The bricks on the master were laid one at a time just as I did on the Victorian Station's chimney. That was small potatoes. Laying bricks on a building of this size was a monumental task. I actually ran into Les at York in 2007. He was putting bricks on this master and I was so impressed that I said that when the kit was done, I would buy one. I'm not apologetic for taking so long to get it underway. A lot of stuff happened during those intervening years including retiring, moving and building a railroad, but I am nothing if not persistent.

 

The walls are all beveled at approximately 45° so the bricks meet correctly in the corners. I had to dress the angles up on sandpaper glued to plate glass. 

 

I found a miter clamp that was my late father's in a box of his old tools and put it into service on this project. After cleaning up all the windows, I started construction with the base of the hose drying tower that sits in the back of the building. It's four-stories high and is made up of a one-story base level and a three-story tower which sits on top.

 

 

FH 04

 

The miter squares one end. A corner clamp secures the other. Thees corner clamps (available from MicroMark) are really best used for HO-sized buildings, but can produce decent results in our large scale if given some assistance.

 

I used a spot of CA at the top and bottom and then remove the clamps to fill in the rest of the gaps. Les' instructions spelled out clamping the walls top-down so the mating edges for the upper section would be level. That left one of the bottom edges hanging too low. It was too big to sand off so I marked it and hit it first with the belt sander and then used the sanding plate to finish it up.

 

FH 05

 

Using the same procedure I glued up the upper works parts.

 

FH 07

 

Immediately after I took this picture, the whole deal fell on the floor, hit a top corner and knocked out a chunk. This project was going much to easily and I was rushing a bit. You always pay for that...

 

FH 08

I used the CA/Rocket CA Filler Powder method to fill this gaping hole. The powder appears to be granulated acrylic and beside greatly adding bulk to the CA, it also has the effect of curing it almost instantly. After sanding it makes a very solid filled joint.

 

FH 09

 

To further improve the repair, I re-scribed the mortar lines into the filler.

 

It was time to join the upper and lower sections. 

 

FH 10

 

The last piece to go on is the roof cap. The slant roof drains out to the left, not the rear as would seem initiative. I held the roof cap on with Gorilla Glue since the bottom wasn't entire flat. I attempted to sand it flat, and got it almost there, but got bored. Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane (like the resin in the kit) and expands on curing so it filled the gap.

 

FH 12

 

The piece flanking the front of the tower (away from camera), is the back of the engine house. It's a tricky fit into the tower's miters. I had to use the Dremel with a carbide router to trim it. In the process, I also stuck the thing into the meaty part of my left thumb. Again, I was rushing. That's when the bad stuff always happens. I washed it with alcohol, and bandaged it with some Neosporin. In a couple of days it will be fine... just a flesh wound.

 

If the weather's as nice tomorrow as forecasted I'm going to try and put some primer on the two railroad cars.

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I think you're right! In fact, Les told me that molding the model was a pain too and it's why he got out of the business of making large resin kits. But you've got to admit, those bricks are sure cool. I'm working with Andre Garcia to laser cut the distillery. We're exploring doing the entire model with engrave bricks to simulate it's complex brickwork. To make all the castellated and Victorian details I'm designing laminated layers of 1/16" stock to simulate the stair step appearance of the prototype. If I can do the bricks economically we're going to produce more copies to make a commercially available kit. Big if...

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