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@AlanRail posted:


Using a phone app instead of a CAB. .  I like that!  BUT that Means no more income from CAB sales.

He did say CAB1L will be around for "years to come". And I do hope that's true. I would think the profit margin is decent on that thing given it's simpler design.

Honestly, after reading the article, I'm just glad to see everything finally land under one roof.

I just read the article in run 322, Dave Olson wrote and it’s an impressive article and it sounds like he (The Lionel Team) has our interest in mind, with the All New Cab 3 System. I met Dave and Ryan at York several years ago when they introduced the Sante Fe Steamer, brass hybrid model. He showed me all of the unique advantages of this locomotive with Blue Tooth control, and I made the purchase, and am very happy with this steamer. I’m excited about this new control system and I hope that TM Productions, or OGR makes an instructional video teaching us how to implement this system into our layout. Great thread. Happy Railroading Everyone

I think this was inevitable, considering the original TMCC was around since 1995, Legacy since 2007... I figured the components for the Cab2 were getting close to obsolescence. I'll hold out on the 'bridge' as long as my Legacy continues to work.

I surprised it took as long as it did to incorporate Bluetooth into the upper end Legacy products. I remember when Williams/Bachmann introduced Bluetooth control and thought why Lionel hadn't done something like that.

@DaveP posted:

I surprised it took as long as it did to incorporate Bluetooth into the upper end Legacy products. I remember when Williams/Bachmann introduced Bluetooth control and thought why Lionel hadn't done something like that.

Williams didn't have command control, it was a major advance for them to have remote control.  Lionel Legacy already has excellent remote control, so it wasn't as urgent a need as it was for Williams.

It’s a great article and just shows how much time and effort Dave and the whole engineering team put into this. From the article it doesn’t look like they were searching to discontinue the Cab-2 but with as old as it is then this Covid situation basically put the last nail in the coffin. With that I hope once this is out and stable they can revisit the Cab-2 or a physical Cab-3. Might just be a pipe dream but I’ll keep my fingers crossed

Let's not forget that it was Dave Rees with his BlueRailTrains that first put Bluetooth into model trains. He used the long range BLE5 right from the start and Bachmann picked it up in their EZ-APP  product line. His latest innovation is his BlueRailDCC module which can operate independently or in conjunction with a DCC decoder.  PS: It works great.

We've all heard this bit of practical wisdom ... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

My modest-size train layout is wired for TMCC, the initial version:
* PowerHouse, 135w
*  Command Base
*  PowerMaster
*  CAB1.
I'll keep it in service for as long as it works, then shift to the CAB1L version.

Years ago, I bought some Lionel LEGACY locos, not because I wanted/needed LEGACY technology, but because they were Rock Island locos - my  favorite RR.  However, those locos require larger radius curvatures than my current layout (built years later in a space-limited Train Room) could provide. They are on display on the wall -- eager to run if/when I expand the Train Room as a larger addition to the house. That's a BIG if/when ...

Mike Mottler   LCCA 12394

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@BillYo414 posted:

He did say CAB1L will be around for "years to come". And I do hope that's true. I would think the profit margin is decent on that thing given it's simpler design.

Honestly, after reading the article, I'm just glad to see everything finally land under one roof.

I wish the CAB1L supported a slider for the whistle/horn. I feel like the control of the whistle is the biggest feature the Cab2 boasts.

Further to MartyE's comment above about CAB1L's ability to 'quill' the whistle/horn, the Owner's Manual that came with the CAB-1L & BASE-1L Combo I bought a few years ago states in part "Hold down the SET key and press the WSTL/HRN key to toggle the whistle configuration between TMCC1 and LEGACY style for the current engine or train.  The CAB-1L will beep once if the TMCC1 whistle style is selected, or it will beep twice if the LEGACY quilling whistle is selected instead."

Well, Neil Young and team put significant effort and time into developing the Cab II, and IMO, the Cab II was and is the cat's meow for controlling trains, so this is disappointing news. My Cab II is original ~ 2007 or thereabouts and still going, but with this news I need to find a spare because running trains from my I-Phone is not fun for me (and swiping touch screen technology is very challenging for folks with disabilities) and the Cab 1L -  while a decent controller - is a step down in functionality. Both the slider whistle and brake levers on the Cab II are the most used and fun features - as well as the easy to read digital readout where I can see what train is pulled-up at any given moment.

Where have you guys been for the past couple years? There isn't a single industry that isn't reeling from component obsolescence and/or production and supply chain issues. I for one welcome our new iPhone overlords. I could picture pointing my phone/tablet at an engine sitting there. The app accesses the camera, the camera uses OCR and sees the cab number and brings up the controls for that engine. Using RF tags on an accessory might pop up a quick set of controls for it. Putting a QR code sticker on a set of SC2s or whatever could pop up a set of switch controls. One could see where this is going I suppose. Hmm.

iPhone or Android, whatever, the point I was trying to make is that would be lame if they just made a smart phone/tablet CAB-2 when a modern device is capable of so much more. Think about trying to build a remote from scratch with a camera, a LiDAR Scanner, an accelerometer, microphone, etc., I’m sure some are catching my drift (chuff)..

I was reading the other thread on the app wish list, it was terrible. Old, soggy ideas.

Although I have become a convert to the smart device app based wireless systems, I still run my TMCC and conventional (AC&DC) setup often. One interesting result I encountered during my app based systems testing is that iPhones and iPads have a consistently uniform approach to system connectivity. With Android devices, I found that the appropriate steps to connectivity with an installed loco system varied quite a bit from one brand of device to another brand of device. Once connected, Android works fine. Not a major issue, but worth mentioning.

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