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This question is a follow-up to a question I asked GR John but anyone can feel free to chime in with their experience or wisdom.

Previously, we discussed adding an ERR Cruise M to a K-line PA-1 AA all powered unit. You mentioned that the cruise does not like four motors.

While a little more expensive, (actually twice the cost plus), I am considering adding Cruise Commander to the rear unit and eliminating the tether and running as an MU train. hopefully with the "nudge" they will run smoothly. I also have an older conventional K-line FA ABA that I am upgrading with a single non cruise board.

Cruise is not as important because I have done similar with the K-line MP-15 and S-2 and have gotten good slow speed running after rewiring the DC cans  (without flywheels) in series after setting the stall speed and high voltage limit.

 

My question is: since I will be running 4 DC cans, is it preferable to run them all in series? All in parallel? or two sets in series that are then connected in parallel?

And why of course?

 

off the topic, but I was breaking in my FA set on my recently acquired Crest test rollers and after a short burst of high speed running, noticeable heat/smoke was coming from my conventional E-unit. I would not expect this normally, especially with no consist. But what I think was smoking are triacs but the do not have heat sinks attached to them. Will not mater after I convert to TMCC but I want to use the e-unit on another build using an old open frame All nation DC motor. If I fabricate heat sinks, will it help and should I use aluminum or steel?

Thanks

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If adding TMCC I would go parallel as designed.  TMCC will not give you the jack rabbit start that the conventional E unit does.

 

Need to see the e-unit to be sure, but normally al is used for heat sink, but you need to be careful that the triac or FET is not required to be isolated from chassis ground.  Some don't others do.

 

What is the rating of the e-unit?   G

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I'm with George, parallel is much better for cruise.  I don't know how well series would even work with the back-EMF, but it didn't work at all well with a MiniCommander 2 when we tried it.

 

I can't imagine what happened to the conventional E-unit, running on rollers I have a hard time getting a dual-motored engine up to a one amp draw.  Do you monitor the current input?  Maybe something is amiss with that board.

 

Thanks guys.
I will let you know how it turns out.

When I open up the FA  unit I will get the e-unit numbers.  And measure the current draw.

Another question on the same project. Currently the conventional unit uses the pickups on the rear unit for lights on all the time. Only the front unit uses the pickups for power.
There is a two wire tether for Dc to the motors only.
I would like to use all four pickups for power. I would the use a 4 wire tether.
I am thinking of hooking up the lights to the Dc motor circuit using diodes for directional change. Similar to the way Weaver did it. It will eliminate the rear light circuit on the TMCC board. Of course it would dim. Any other ideas on how to do this?
Thanks.
I got a chance to put a meter on the e-unit.
It is an MDK-037. Not sure of its rating. But it must of been designed to handle the 4 can motors.
Running it on my test rollers, I saw smoke coming from the Cab and shut it down.

Powered at 18vac, the meter reads -25 VDC at the blue and brown motor outputs in reverse. 0 volts in neutral, o volts forward, 0 volts neutral, -25 VDC reverse.


Checked with both the e-unit lockout open and closed. Board is big enough for even my nimble fingers to solder on a component or two. Just no idea where to start or how to test beyond what I have done so far.

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