DCS Explorer

I spoke to Dave from MTH about the new DCS Explorer at York.  This unit is the intended replacement for the DCS Remote Commander.  The Explorer doesn't have many of the limitations of the Remote Commander, such as the engine will not have to be in factory reset condition to be recognized, greater range and flexibility moving around the layout since you don't have be in line of sight of an IR sensor.  You can also place more than one Explorer on the layout to address isolated blocks or loops as the app communicates directly with the engine.  It's a win for guys like me that only want the ability to run a few MTH engines on their layouts.

Did MTH have an example at York? From the picture from the catalog it looks like there are only two electrical connections, certainly there would need to be two inputs coming from the transformer and two outputs going to the track? I am curious if it could control more than 3 trains with the premium app? Or have the ability to control conventional trains by varying the AC voltage? I suppose at that point someone would have already decided to use full DCS.

SGP posted:

Did MTH have an example at York? From the picture from the catalog it looks like there are only two electrical connections, certainly there would need to be two inputs coming from the transformer and two outputs going to the track? I am curious if it could control more than 3 trains with the premium app? Or have the ability to control conventional trains by varying the AC voltage? I suppose at that point someone would have already decided to use full DCS.

My impression is this combines the track power and control in one unit.

I think there is a separate power supply for the DCS Explorer that may be the defacto transformer.

Im making my pre-order for the DCS Explorer at Legacy Station.

I see there is a wall-wart power supply listed in the MTH pre-order page - as a separate item

Is that needed for the DCS Explorer? Or does it come with a power supply?

Unclear looking at each items description.

Going through the catalog makes me think the DCS Explorer will not include a power supply when buying the DSC Explorer outside of a set. 

That said, I'm thinking about placing a pre-order with Legacy station also.

Additionally, does anyone know if the Explorer will operate conventional transformer-controlled locos?

If its anything like the simple DCS Commander (which it is directly replacing in all RTR sets) it will not be able to since it sends full voltage to the track all the time.

Going through the catalog makes me think the DCS Explorer will not include a power supply. 

When included in a RTR set, it will include a power supply.

If I'm using a Lionel 180W power supply, would that be too much power for the DCS Explorer?

With no real information on this unit, this is all speculation.  With that said, I believe that the DC Explorer will be similar to the DCS Remote Commander in regard to power supplies, I think it'll run passively with a standard supply directly on the tracks or feeding the power through the DCS Explorer.

John,

I think it'll run passively with a standard supply directly on the tracks or feeding the power through the DCS Explorer.

That's correct.

Would that mean TMCC could be also run on the same track with the TMCC remote or is it too soon to know?

Would that mean TMCC could be also run on the same track with the TMCC remote

Yes, that would be correct.

Barry, have you been able to confirm that the DCS Explorer will run passively with Dave K?  I got some mixed information on this from MTH.

Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains.  We appreciate your interest in our products. No, I am afraid the DCS Explorer will not have a passive mode.  Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything else I can help you with.

Thank you,         

Kirstin Martinez

MTH Electric Trains

Charlei,

My information is that the DCS Explorer will work in passive mode. However, at this stage in its life, nothing can be taken as gospel and everything is subject to change.

Most of this thread is based on rumor, supposition and what people have heard (yours truly included). There's little or no real information regarding this product. AFAIK, a prototype has yet to be built.

However, now that I think about it, what makes the explorer different from a TIU or a DCS Remote Commander is that the explorer needs to have its WiFi radio constantly powered. If it wasn't, it would be a real problem to have to reconnect to the app or the home network every time track power was turned off.

Requiring the power to go through the DCS Explorer will put a crimp in some folks operations I suspect.   From the look of the publicity mock-up pictures, it will have the anemic barrel jack to power the track like the DCS Remote Commander, so I sure hope they didn't preclude passive mode operation.

I like the idea of the mth explorer. I currently use lionel lion chief and it's easy to run two trains. But if I were to use this dcs explorer will I have any problems with the signal hooking this up to my track? I'm using a 180 w power supply now and the signal is good. I run two trains for now, maybe three trains at the most for my 5' x 16' layout.

The more I think about it, since there's only one pair of power wires on the explorer, it must connect to the track in "passive" mode, with a separate power supply for itself to keep its WiFi radio on all the time.

" But if I were to use this dcs explorer will I have any problems with the signal hooking this up to my track? "

Shouldn't be a problem, although as everyone says, this is still a proposal, not a product .  LionChief and LionChief+ operate directly between the handheld remote (or smartphone/tablet if using Bluetooth) and the loco.  As long as there is at least 6-8 volts on the track, the loco and command control from a remote device should work.  LionChief and LionChief+ do not interfere with nor are there any reports of their being  interfered with in current use when using DCS, so there's no reason the situation should be any different with the Explorer, at least as far as I can imagine.

Barry Broskowitz posted:

The more I think about it, since there's only one pair of power wires on the explorer, it must connect to the track in "passive" mode, with a separate power supply for itself to keep its WiFi radio on all the time.

Well, the DCS Remote Commander only had one set of connector terminals, but it used the barrel jack for input power.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the same rig on the DCS Explorer.  OTOH, I will be pretty surprised if it doesn't work in passive mode as well.

Page 5 of the RTR catalog has a picture of the DCS Explorer with the power supply - catalog blurb says 50W, 5A - doesn't add much clarity - but there it is.

I have one other question about the MTH DCS Explorer. I'm using Lionel Command Control Switches with my Fastrack. Is it possible to control the switches with the DCS WIFI?

Not unless that just happened.  You can only control locomotives as a rule.  I heard some talk about expanding that.

Thanks, John.

Is it possible to control the switches with the DCS WIFI?

Only with the Premium DCS App and a TIU/WIU/AIU combination.

This and a whole lot more about DCS WiFi is all in MTH’s “The DCS WiFi Companion 1st Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!

I keep coming back here with more questions about running DCS. I've heard wiring for DCS has to be a certain way.  My current layout is Fastrack with a 180 W power supply and 18 volts on the track. It is not star wiring as many people have talked about to get the max power needed for DCS signal. Would that be enough to get a good signal from DCS?

It is not really "max power for the DCS signal." It is just the DCS signal. The more resistance, i.e. the longer the track, the more DCS signal you will lose. If your track is fairly short, it would probably not be a problem. If your track is long, you will need additional connections to add signal strength along the way. Any additional connection, will need to be isolated from any other connection (blocks) for the best performance.

I keep coming back here with more questions about running DCS

In that case, do yourself a favor and consider acquiring one or both of the following books.

If you operate using a DCS Remote and/or the Standard version of the DCS App:

Everything that you need to know about DCS is all in MTH’s “The DCS Companion 3rd Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!

If you operate using the Premium version of the DCS App:

Everything that you need to know about DCS WiFi is all in MTH’s “The DCS WiFi Companion 1st Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!

Barry, I respect what you've done and enjoy reading your posts. For a potential newbie like me, however, I've  pretty much come to the conclusion that unless I just buy full-up DCS, I won't know if it works or not. And I really don't want to fork over $300-$350 just to build a test-case.

As an example, I only run TMCC/Legacy at this point.  I've been considering obtaining one-two MTH locos just because I like the looks of them. So, naturally, I was somewhat excited about the possibility of obtaining the DCS Explorer, and upgrading to a full DCS system once I learn more.

In preparation, I started asking questions on the forum, and the standard answer was that all of my questions are answered in DCS Companion 3.  So I bought it at York and started reading.

At this point, I have no idea if DCS will work with my layout or not.  Case in point, "the book" provides GREAT information on installing your wiring, suggesting twisted-pair, lengths, etc.  Then (and I'm paraphrasing) the chapter on adding DCS to an existing layout basically says to hook it up and see if it works. If not, try the light bulb trick at various points, etc. 

I know there is no definitive answer based on installation particulars, subjectivity, etc., whether you're running in a Faraday cage, etc. (just being silly), but I just don't know what to do. At this point, *if* I obtain any MTH engines, I'll probably just resort to conventional operation.  No real question here, just trying to de-mystify the black art of solid DCS operation.

Carl,

Honestly, I've never encountered a layout where TMCC worked and DCS wouldn't work at all. In fact, the very first time I put DCS on my last layout, back in 2002 or so, a track signal test yielded 6-7 out of 10. This was on a layout that was 11' X 8', and was wired with solid core wire and nothing even resembling either home run or buss wiring. In fact, the wiring technique was classic "spaghetti".  

Further, this was with the very first, Rev. G, model TIU which was far inferior to today's Rev. L model.

What saved me was that I just happened to have lighted bumpers on my sidings and the track, while wired very poorly, was set up as blocks.

Most layout wiring, if it doesn't do well at all with DCS, is easily fixed in any number of ways. I would encourage you to consider DCS in your future plans.

Another plan is to borrow a TIU and remote and do some testing.  If you have train friends or belong to a club, you should be able to find someone that has a spare.

Thanks for the info / advice so far; GRJ, I'm embarrassed to say "duhhhh....." about borrowing a TIU. I'm part of a club, so I'll have to put out the word that I'm looking to experiment.  Can't see the forest for the trees.

Secondly, do we *really* believe that the DCS Explorer will be available to ship with the RTR sets in the Oct-Dec timeframe?  All we've heard thus far is that we don't have a prototype yet, and anyone who *does* know I guess is just keeping it secret (probably as it should be...).  Typically, though, a prototype is shipped out, and the customer (MTH in this case) gets to thrash it to make sure it does what it's supposed to do before the go-ahead is given.  We're getting pretty close to the assumed availability date....

Am I able to run multiple trains using this. Also In the app in the paid section there is a place to use conventional trains (I am assuming thats what its for). Can I use my postwar trains with the app using the conventional setting? Sorry if these are no brainer questions, I'm kind of new to all this.

Mthtrainlover posted:

Am I able to run multiple trains using this. Also In the app in the paid section there is a place to use conventional trains (I am assuming thats what its for). Can I use my postwar trains with the app using the conventional setting? Sorry if these are no brainer questions, I'm kind of new to all this.

All good questions - but, so far, there is no real info about this product

OK, folks, help me wrap my brain around this product.

I usually don't get too worked up about new introductions, BTO, pre-orders, etc.  But I'm really intrigued by the DCS Explorer as a way for me to finally explore DCS, having no MTH products at this point in time.

I noticed this product in MTH's RTR catalog; it seems this is going to totally replace the traditional transformer in their starter sets.

Yet, nothing has surfaced yet. All posts above basically say we know nothing about the Explorer, yet we're getting pretty close to the Christmas order time. 

Is this just being VERY closely guarded by MTH?  I'd (ignorantly) think that they'd be trumpeting this new approach all over the place.  Or (possibly likely) are there issues with the development which may push the product into the spring?  Is MTH really going to abandon the train set market this fall?  Back-track and stuff a transformer in the box?

Kind of like the stock market, no news is bad news.  Does anyone know ANYthing about the reality of this being ready soon?  I'm just thinking they have to develop the technology, then it takes awhile to get the design packaged for set manufacturing, etc., and with shipping delays, they should have them now.

Carl,

it seems this is going to totally replace the traditional transformer in their starter sets.

That's incorrect

You still need a transformer to power the train, however, it can be a brick without a throttle. The DCS Explorer combines a single TIU channel and a WiFi receiver, with the DCS App running on an iOS or Android smartphone or tablet as the controller.

Well, yes, Barry, I kind of knew that in the back of my mind. In the context of my post, it would have been better had I stated, "totally replace the transformer for control of the trains."  Without going back to check the catalog, I wasn't sure whether the power source would/could be a transformer or if it was going to be a wall-wart, which is, of course, a transformer.

But we still have no info on the availability dates / design success, etc.   ;-)

Carl,

As of this past week, I learned that the DCS Explorer is on track for release as part of the Ready to Run sets, scheduled for October, with individual sale units scheduled for about a month later.

The DCS Explorer will require the DCS App as its controller. As yet unknown by me is if the present release of the DCS App is able to control the DCS Explorer or if an update to the DCS App will be required.

Thanks for the update, Barry!  Glad to hear it's on-track for release in time for the holidays.

I asked in another thread but no response... maybe just because no one knows yet!

The wifi/tiu unit is described as being able to run 3 trains...I'm guessing that the unit provided in the RTR sets is the same unit that will be sold separately... if so, the set-provided unit should be able to control 3 trains (with a more robust power supply).

It looks like the wifi/tiu unit just passes the voltage thru and passively tags on the DCS signal but the 5 amp fuse concerns me.  If you want to run 3 trains, you may draw more than 5 amps thru the unit....

Confused in Connecticut!

Ed

From the descriptions provided so far, it appears that the power has to go through the DCS Explorer.

When they're available, I'd be tempted to try an experiment of powering the unit with DC power and then using a large capacitor to block the DC from the track but allow the DCS signal through.  Then connect the transformer directly to the track through a 22uh choke rated for the maximum power.  That may allow you to run a full 10 amps to the track and still use the DCS Explorer.

Since I've never seen one, this is just a spitball idea that might allow more power to the track.   Until I have one to tinker with, it'll just be a guess as to a possible solution.

I think three trains with only 5 amps is possible with sacrificing smoke on at least two if not all locomotives.

If you are going to run lighted passenger cars, I'd use the LED lighting conversions from GRJ.

Lots to wonder about...

I wish I had noticed the wifi/tiu at York.  That would have been the place to ask some questions about the details.

A lot depends on what the 5A fuse does in the circuit... if it's just there to protect the set-provided transformer, and the power really just passes thru the unit, then a bigger fuse might be do-able with a bigger brick.

I think that if the unit just tags the DCS signal on the AC going through the unit, it may be able to do passive mode by just hanging it onto the power leads of a transformer going directly to the track.  The power for the unit would then be "back fed" to the unit thru the output ports.

eddiem posted:

Lots to wonder about...

I wish I had noticed the wifi/tiu at York.  That would have been the place to ask some questions about the details.

A lot depends on what the 5A fuse does in the circuit... if it's just there to protect the set-provided transformer, and the power really just passes thru the unit, then a bigger fuse might be do-able with a bigger brick.

I think that if the unit just tags the DCS signal on the AC going through the unit, it may be able to do passive mode by just hanging it onto the power leads of a transformer going directly to the track.  The power for the unit would then be "back fed" to the unit thru the output ports.

Response from MTH:

MTH RD posted:

The 6A max rating on the input is just that, we don't support any supplies with higher current output.  The MTH Z-1000 brick has a 6A breaker on the output and is the maximum input supported for the DCS Explorer.

The 5A fuse is there to try and protect the Explorer in the event someone, of course this would never, ever, happen, ignores the 6A input rating and puts an arc welder into it.  There is a current sensing circuit that is very sensitive and fast but, with enough current, may not respond quickly enough.  The 5A fuse is there as a last resort to save the device.  If anyone is blowing the 5A fuse then, they should switch to a different or lower output supply.  This would indicate a problem.

The max current output from the DCS Explorer is 5A.  However, in model railroading, current draw varies significantly.  Engines going around a curve can increase momentary current draws by half an amp or more.  So, the practical steady state current draw is really closer to 4A or, so.  When you get to that level and then increase speed on an engine from say 30 to 100 smph, the current sensing circuit may do it's job and shut down.

This is an entry level product intended for train sets and small beginner layouts.  It is not a solution for O ga hobbyists.  We have the WIU/TIU combination for you guys.

 Passive Mode response from MTH:

MTH RD posted:

Unfortunately, the Explorer does not support passive mode.  Unlike the aux power input on the TIU, the input power on the Explorer is also track power.  Said differently, if you connect the Explorer passively, it will not even power up.  If you connect supplies to the input and output, bad things can happen.

H1000,

Good info.. not sure where you found it, but it put a lot of my ideas to rest.

That being said, I'm wondering why they are advertising it as being capable of running 3 trains.... maybe controlling 3 trains via DCS with only one running at a time?... sneaky!

My desired use is to control DCS trains on a small portable modular layout.  The Wifi/tiu is a much smaller package than a TUI and WiFi unit. (about one TIU's worth less space.) 

Sometimes space is at a premium:

Anyone recognize the location????

eddiem posted:

H1000,

Good info.. not sure where you found it, but it put a lot of my ideas to rest.

That being said, I'm wondering why they are advertising it as being capable of running 3 trains.... maybe controlling 3 trains via DCS with only one running at a time?... sneaky!

These questions were responses from MTH RD on other threads on the OGR forum. The search tool is a wonderful thing!

I'm pretty confident one could run three trains with 5 amps of power. You may not want to run smoke on each engine and pull a string of passenger cars with incandescent lighting as that would most likely exceed the amp limit.

A while back my kids and I were board and we setup a large loop of track on the floor in the basement and hooked up a Z1000 transformer to a TIU on one channel.  We put five engines on (two sets with (3) incandescent passenger cars and the other three with some ordinary rolling stock. All five ran okay, until the kids wanted to see some smoke. After we turned on the second smoke unit, the breaker tripped within seconds.

eddiem posted:

Anyone recognize the location????

The moon?  Other than that, it would be the York grandstand.

I still think my idea of powering the DCS Explorer and blocking the DC or low frequency AC power from the tracks with a large cap may work for more current.

The York grandstand on a beautiful Thursday morning just before opening!

Didn't get much of a chance to say "hi' at York, but it's good that you have a busy booth!

I guess we'll be able to experiment soon.. hope they arrive on schedule!

(so, do you think the power supply provided with the wif/tiu is AC?  could be DC?)  Aren't MTH ps2 & 3 supposed to run on DC?

Eddie, Even as a first timer at York, I recognize the location.  You were right in the middle of the action!!  Hopefully I will meet you next time.

John, Yes while MTH isn't intending the Explorer for "serious O Gaugers" I can see the potential for the serious O Gauger who only has room to run 3 engines at a time.

Mark Boyce posted:

Eddie, Even as a first timer at York, I recognize the location.  You were right in the middle of the action!!  Hopefully I will meet you next time.

Mark,

Hope you enjoyed your first time at York!

My train layout has been at York for the past 3 events.  We get in on Wednesday and Thursday morning there's not much to do, so I run some trains (2 trains and a trolley... full DCS). When I pulled in this time, a few of my fellow campers stopped by to ask if I'd be setting up the trains!  It often turns into two discussions: one about trains, dcs, etc., the other about "did you build that van?"

(sorry for a slight detour on the thread guys!)

Eddie,

I had a great time!!  I wish I had seen your van layout though!  Next time!!

Eddie,

I suspect that the 3 train claim for the DCS Explorer is somehow tied to the fact that the DCS App is what's intended for use with the device, and that the free version can control up to 3 DCS engines.

Barry Broskowitz posted:

Eddie,

I suspect that the 3 train claim for the DCS Explorer is somehow tied to the fact that the DCS App is what's intended for use with the device, and that the free version can control up to 3 DCS engines.

Barry,

That makes sense, and I guess with some low power locos it would work with three.  I use the Lionel 180W bricks for everything home and portable, and in reality they're only 10 Amps at 18 Volts, so the 5 amps may get it done for a few locos and a trolley!

I decided to order a set with the new Wifi/Tiu unit included...more trains to play with and a quicker way to get my hands on the new controller!

I like the fact that they put an easy-to-access fuse on the side.

Most likely, the wires (or board traces) from the input to the output are limited in size and that's the controlling factor.  It's not like a regular TIU where they are regulating voltage on the variable channels too.  Once they are in hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we could add a more robust path from input to output and up the amperage that passes thru.

eddiem posted:

 

Most likely, the wires (or board traces) from the input to the output are limited in size and that's the controlling factor.  It's not like a regular TIU where they are regulating voltage on the variable channels too.  Once they are in hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we could add a more robust path from input to output and up the amperage that passes thru.

 

 

I'm not sure that will work the way you want it to. Note the response from MTH about a sensing circuit that will stop power in an overload state (this would need to be bypassed or disabled):

MTH RD posted:

 

The 5A fuse is there to try and protect the Explorer in the event someone, of course this would never, ever, happen, ignores the 6A input rating and puts an arc welder into it.  There is a current sensing circuit that is very sensitive and fast but, with enough current, may not respond quickly enough.  The 5A fuse is there as a last resort to save the device.  If anyone is blowing the 5A fuse then, they should switch to a different or lower output supply.  This would indicate a problem.

 It feels like we all want MTH to make this handle a full 10 amps of power. In reality, 5 amps should be enough for almost every situation out there. If you need more than that, you are now venturing into the "hobbyist" category and I would be looking into the full TIU & WIU setup.

See my previous post.  Simply passing the DCS frequency on to the track and blocking the power should allow you to have whatever power on the track you'd like.  Add a choke to keep the transformer impedance from affecting the DCS signal and we should be good to go.

I think something else that would be interesting to know is will the DCS App be able to communicate to more than one Explorer? If you have two separate loops each with there own DCS Explorer, can I run three trains per loop using these two DCS Explorers from one tablet?

I suspect not as Barry eluded to early that the limitation is set within the free app to limit adding only three locomotives. The free app seems to have the same functionality as the Remote Commander does, and I don't think even the standard upgrade will allow you to connect to more than one Explorer at a time to work with more than three trains.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

See my previous post.  Simply passing the DCS frequency on to the track and blocking the power should allow you to have whatever power on the track you'd like.  Add a choke to keep the transformer impedance from affecting the DCS signal and we should be good to go.

I agree 100%. This method has the best chance of success. The DCS Explorer simply generates the signal on the track and handles none of the load.

Do I sense another JW&A Enhancement Product on the horizon?

Not sure there's any product requirement here.  Other than a capacitor to couple the DCS frequency to the tracks, and a honkin' big 22uh choke for the transformer power feed, there's no other parts required.

H1000 posted:

I think something else that would be interesting to know is will the DCS App be able to communicate to more than one Explorer? If you have two separate loops each with there own DCS Explorer, can I run three trains per loop using these two DCS Explorers from one tablet?

I suspect not as Barry eluded to early that the limitation is set within the free app to limit adding only three locomotives. The free app seems to have the same functionality as the Remote Commander does, and I don't think even the standard upgrade will allow you to connect to more than one Explorer at a time to work with more than three trains.

I'll mix a few responses in here.  First, yes, the starter set app (due out shortly) will be able to talk to multiple DCS Explorers.  As you point out, this is of little use given the limited number of engines in the starter set app (also known as the free app).  And, to clarify, when the new version of the app is released, user's will be prompted to choose either the DCS Explorer or the WIU.  You can jump back in forth in app settings but, choosing the DCS Explorer limits the number of engines and features.  You cannot connect to the DCS Explorer using the standard or premium version of the app.

While the SS app can only control 3, that is independent of the DCS Explorer's power capability.  Power is power, right?  So, for example, if you stick 20VAC into the DCS explorer and assume you can "practically" sustain ~4.2A of current, this is 84 Watts of power.  Quite a bit.  Running 3 starter set or even RK engines with a typical consist of cars (for beginners) should not result in a power problem.  OTOH, if you put 12V in then, you only have about 50 Watts so,  a very different scenario.  Simply stated, we are not hedging the 3 engines based on the app.  We are simply trying to help establish reasonable expectations for the product.  This is an entry level product and can run a few trains but, shouldn't be considered a solution for a moderate or larger layout.

On some other issues discussed in this thread, sure, there are ways it may be possible to isolate the input power to the Explorer and make it work in passive mode.  But, again, we don't support that and there is serious risk of damage to the device if one doesn't know exactly what is going on.  Given the very limited set of commands available in the Explorer, I struggle to understand how a power user could be satisfied even if it did support passive mode. 

The question was raised about running the DCS Explorer, I responded with a likely scenario where that would be possible.  I seriously doubt what I suggested could harm the DCS Explorer, at least I sure can't imagine how. I'm also not 100% sure it would actually work, though my engineering background and the similar operation of the TIU strongly suggests that it would.  It's yet to be tested in real life, and since I don't have the device, I leave that exercise to the student.

Your point about limited options is probably quite valid, but that wasn't the question posed.   I use the full DCS system, so that's a moot point for me.

They have changed quite a bit on this product between April and now.  There was no mention of a separate app for the DCS Explorer in April when I talked to MTH at York.  For those of us that have a few MTH engines this seemed like a great solution.  Since now it won't come out of the box with the ability to run passively, nor will it have a full feature set, I guess that scraps my idea of giving the MTH app a try with this product.  Apparently MTH has decided they are worried about people buying these instead of full DCS.

There was no mention of a separate app for the DCS Explorer in April when I talked to MTH at York. 

There is not a "separate app" for the DCS Explorer. After the next update to the DCS App, you can use the free version to operate a DCS Explorer.

Since now it won't come out of the box with the ability to run passively

Why do you require that the DCS Explorer operate in passive mode?

nor will it have a full feature set

Why would you expect the device to be as full-featured as a complete DCS TIU and remote, or a TIU, WIU and the DCS App?

This is an entry-level product that's the WiFi equivalent of the DCS Remote Commander, except  that it will do more than the DCS Remote Commander and will operate any DCS engine, not just ones that have been Factory Reset.

Apparently MTH has decided they are worried about people buying these instead of full DCS.

On the contrary, the plan is that folks will get a taste of DCS from the DCS Explorer and then purchase a TIU and WIU to run a complete layout using DCS.

Now I'm a bit concerned!

I understand that the new WiFi/TIU is not a replacement for a full setup, but I had counted on the fact that I could use the mid-priced ($5) app the run it.  To me, the free app is really lacking (unless they have added a few things), and I already am very comfortable with the basic $5 app. (Will soon be adding the Premium app to my regular DCS setup)

I thought I read that the various level apps would all work, with 3 engines, but with no variable tracks, no AIU, etc.  Not asking a lot!

I was basing my thoughts on a statement Barry made back in May, "The DCS Explorer will use the same DCS App as is presently available, in all of its forms: free, Standard and Premium."

Yesterday I ordered a new set with the new DCS Explorer so I could integrate in to my small modular layout(s) with the Standard app.  Fingers crossed!

Hmm seems MTH are extremely busy trying to limit the DCS Explorer now, what a shame.

I had reserved one since my LHS has these on order already but after reading where this is going, I am not going to be an early adopter. 

On another note on my last visit to my LHS I saw these Backmann HO engines that have integrated wifi built into the engine. You can run it with a free app E-Z App™ from your phone without a box, it's all built in. The sound however comes out of the phone not the engine. 

Here is a link ...

http://shop.bachmanntrains.com...amp;products_id=5847

I wonder if they decided to expand this to O gauge and have the sound come from the engine ... 

My misunderstanding about the app. Not a separate app, but a limited feature set.  Regarding running it passively, the Remote Commander works passivley. Why not the Explorer?

Eddie,

The DCS Explorer will use the same DCS App as is presently available, in all of its forms: free, Standard and Premium."

That was my information at the time, this past May, based on conversations with MTH. It would appear that the situation may have changed in the past few months. Actually, I'm having a tough time understanding why all versions of the DCS App won't run the DCS Explorer, albeit with its limited capabilities. I suppose we'll learn soon enough what are the facts in the matter.

Regardless, the DCS Explorer way always supposed to be limited in its capabilities. Notwithstanding the version of the DCS App used, it has always been described as only running 3 different engines with a limited set of engine capabilities.

Regarding running it passively, the Remote Commander works passivley. Why not the Explorer?

Because the DCS Explorer, unlike the DCS Remote Commander, includes a WiFi radio that needs to be constantly powered. This power comes from the power input that's used both to operate trains and power the DCS Explorer itself.

I guess that for now it's a wait-and-see situation.

To limit commands from the Standard app, MTH would actually have to program the DCS Exp to ignore some of the commands sent from the app. Sad that they have to waste time un-programming features that even the basic user would appreciate!

If I recall (haven't used the free app in a while) the one missing feature that shouldn't be missing in ANY version or hardware is the option to set top speed.  Especially for a starter kit, that option should be included!

Wondering: can you install the free app on your phone if the S or P app is already there?

There are plenty of features that differentiate the new DCS Exp from the WIU/TIU/REMOTE setup.... like variable tracks, switch controls, and lots of other options.

I find it disappointing that the business of selling trains interferes with offering the best product they can!  Just my 2 cents!

Eddie,

I'm wondering if, perhaps, the actual situation might be the following. That. regardless of which version of the app one is using - free, Standard or Premium - the app simply defaults to the appearance of the free version when using a DCS Explorer.

I've queried MTH R&D on the subject.

I thought I read that the various level apps would all work, with 3 engines, but with no variable tracks, no AIU, etc.  Not asking a lot!

I think this is asking a lot. This is intended as a replacement for the existing Remote Commander. The Remote Commander doesn't have these functions, and the DCS Explorer adds the ability to control three engines independently on one track unlike the Remote Commander. I don't think new hobbyists are going to be concerned about AIU's or Variable tack voltage. These are features for advanced hobbyists which should be on the TIU/WIU setup.

Hmm seems MTH are extremely busy trying to limit the DCS Explorer now, what a shame.

Again, this just a replacement for the current Remote Commander, It does more that than the remote commander with a nicer interface.

If I recall (haven't used the free app in a while) the one missing feature that shouldn't be missing in ANY version or hardware is the option to set top speed.  Especially for a starter kit, that option should be included!

I agree, very important and I hope MTH includes this.

This is an entry level product. If you buy the base model of car we don't expect the manufacture to include all of the features of the luxury model. The DCS Explorer will perform the basic essentials that we need it to do, run a few trains.

Carl Orton posted:

OK, folks, help me wrap my brain around this product.

I usually don't get too worked up about new introductions, BTO, pre-orders, etc.  But I'm really intrigued by the DCS Explorer as a way for me to finally explore DCS, having no MTH products at this point in time.

I noticed this product in MTH's RTR catalog; it seems this is going to totally replace the traditional transformer in their starter sets.

Yet, nothing has surfaced yet. All posts above basically say we know nothing about the Explorer, yet we're getting pretty close to the Christmas order time. 

Is this just being VERY closely guarded by MTH?  I'd (ignorantly) think that they'd be trumpeting this new approach all over the place.  Or (possibly likely) are there issues with the development which may push the product into the spring?  Is MTH really going to abandon the train set market this fall?  Back-track and stuff a transformer in the box?

Kind of like the stock market, no news is bad news.  Does anyone know ANYthing about the reality of this being ready soon?  I'm just thinking they have to develop the technology, then it takes awhile to get the design packaged for set manufacturing, etc., and with shipping delays, they should have them now.

Let me try to clear some things up.  The DCS Explorers have been produced and are in transit to MTH.  The first batch of production units will be packed into train sets and shipped to our dealers within the next few weeks.  Clearly, we've missed October.  The separate sale DCS Explorer units will be available the first week of December, or so.

Indeed the DCS Explorer replaces the "transformer" (means of running the train) in ready-to-run sets.  The sets will, of course, include a power supply that plugs into the DCS Explorer.  The included supply is a 16VDC at 3.75A for a total of 60 Watts.  More than adequate to run the set plus some expansion.  

You are not ignorant to wonder why MTH has not been out there beating drums promoting the Explorer.  Under normal circumstances, we certainly would have been.  The fact of the matter is this product was developed on a very aggressive timeline and we weren't sure if we were even going to make it.  The Explorers for the train sets are being brought in via airfreight.  Ouch. 

An update to the existing DCS app will be released soon.  We have it on our devices internally now.  You guys will have it soon.  As in days from now.  Maybe even over the weekend or Monday.  Within this update is the DCS Explorer app.  It's essentially the same as the existing free app however, there have been some changes, expanded features, etc.  In app settings, you will be able to choose the hardware you have.  Either DCS Explorer or DCS WIU/TIU.  You will need to have the correct hardware selected or the app will not talk to your device.  The reason for this is pretty simple.  When a new train set buyer downloads the app and first opens it, they will be prompted to select their hardware.  Of course, they will need to choose the DCS Explorer.  Then, when they try to access features that are not available, the app doesn't encourage them to upgrade as the DCS Explorer does not support the features found in the standard or premium apps.  Imagine how upset you would be if we suggested spending money to upgrade your app only to find out the features don't work anyway.  Of course, we cannot do that.

So, if the new app user selects WIU/TIU then the free version of the app talks to the WIU and the upgrade path is exactly as it is today.  If the Explorer is selected, the app lets them know they need to upgrade their hardware to access the expanded features of the app(s).   Don't worry, you can always just switch back and forth between the hardware types within app settings.

Carl, you are exactly who this product is aimed at.  Well, you and those just entering model railroading.  As the members of this forum know and our marketing genius has coined, DCS is "Simply the best way to run a railroad" in our humble opinion.  We believe model railroading must embrace the technology wave and ride along.  So, from starter sets to starter hobbyists, we needed a solution.  The DCS Explorer is it.  

Stay tuned though...there's much more to follow.

MTH RD,

Thank you for your explanations!  I think I understand the need for the DCS Explorer as an entry level improvement over the old Commander.  I moved to O Gauge from HO over 5 years ago with an entry level MTH set with the commander.  When I wanted to buy a PS-2 locomotive, not in a set, I was in sort of a pickle.  I finally forked out the money for a TIU and Remote to run two locomotives.  Some Forum members can attest to the fact that I struggled for a while.  I actually bought a LionChief Plus locomotive and toyed with the idea of selling all my DCS equipment.  I finally got help here, and sold the LionChief instead.  I can see the Explorer will be a vast improvement in a situation like that.  I think the jump to a full blown DCS system will be a lot easier for an entry level customer who wants to start expanding.

Thanks MTH RD for posting this.
Is there a feature list you can post of what this can do ?

yamawho posted:

Thanks MTH RD for posting this.
Is there a feature list you can post of what this can do ?

 

• Start Up/Shut Down
• Speed
• Direction
• Whistle/Horn (reg whistle - not quillable)
• Bell
• Cplr (front and rear)
• Headlight 
• Smoke (on/off only)
• Engine Sounds
• PFA
• Doppler
• Master Volume
• E-stop
• Engine Feature Reset
• Engine Factory Reset

Basically all of the features available on the main and secondary engine control screens.  I may be missing something but, I think this is basically it in terms of engine control.

Of course, system level things like adding or deleting engines, selecting between Explorer or WIU hardware, resetting the app, etc., are also included.  

Thanks again ... looks good so far.

MTH RD posted:

• Start Up/Shut Down
• Speed
• Direction
• Whistle/Horn (reg whistle - not quillable)
• Bell
• Cplr (front and rear)
• Headlight 
• Smoke (on/off only)
• Engine Sounds
• PFA
• Doppler
• Master Volume
• E-stop
• Engine Feature Reset
• Engine Factory Reset

Basically all of the features available on the main and secondary engine control screens.  I may be missing something but, I think this is basically it in terms of engine control.

Of course, system level things like adding or deleting engines, selecting between Explorer or WIU hardware, resetting the app, etc., are also included.  

Two concerns:

1) I don't see "ability to set max speed" on the list.  How could that NOT be included in a starter set for kids?  It's real easy to hit the 120mph spot on a small screen!

2) "The included supply is a 16VDC at 3.75A for a total of 60 Watts.  More than adequate to run the set plus some expansion"

Why advertise "can run 3 PS2 or PS3 trains" in the preview info?  Will 3 MTH DCS locos reliably run on 3.75 amps? How about the two steamers in sets with the new DCS Explorer plus a 3rd loco?

OK, my last point...

Imagine how upset you would be if we suggested spending money to upgrade your app only to find out the features don't work anyway.  Of course, we cannot do that.

Allowing the discussions here to flounder around for months and keeping even the "guys in the know (Barry, Marty,et. al.)" in the dark is equally upsetting.  I read 6 months of discussion about the likely features, then order a set a few days ago, then find out that the 3 train feature is more like "wishful thinking".  The Wifi/TIU would have been perfect for a small portable layout of mine (as noted above)!  Previous discussions as recent as a few days ago suggested that it would be a great solution!  (Still hoping it will work for my plans, once it arrives!)

Equal time:

I TRULY DO appreciate the SINGLE approach across the MTH line that DCS offers.  (and ALL your stuff easily runs conventional too!)

I'm amazed that Lionel has some trains that are TMCC, some that are Lionchief (single remote), some that are Lionchief Plus (remote  plus bluetooth if you buy after a certain date?), Legacy, whatever is next...  Sorry - you can't run Lionchief or Plus on TMCC, but your Legacy stuff will work, but the bluetooth stuff, .....on and on! 

Thanks, MTH... sometimes frustrating, but we love ya!

MTHRD.  I have the most recent versions of the android premium app, 2 WIUs, and the DCS software installed and running fine.  It appears that if I do the forthcoming app update, every time I fire up I have to select the WIU, even though I have no Explorer.  SO is there any benefit to doing the update?  (I'm sure that the next following update will be needed and will present this choice.

Actually, Lionel's varied and nuanced approach is working quite well for me.  Those of us with TMCC, Legacy, LC and LC+ locos have no problems to speak of.  And these days, every LC and LC+ loco comes with everything needed to operate it.  You can always use your smart device, but you don't have to .  And new locos will work with that smart device without investing a hundred dollars in a wi-fi device.  Bluetooth is simple that way, and from now on, all Lionel locos will have Bluetooth.  Simple, reliable and inexpensive.

Hope you enjoy your Explorer. 

eddiem posted:

MTH RD posted:

• Start Up/Shut Down
• Speed
• Direction
• Whistle/Horn (reg whistle - not quillable)
• Bell
• Cplr (front and rear)
• Headlight 
• Smoke (on/off only)
• Engine Sounds
• PFA
• Doppler
• Master Volume
• E-stop
• Engine Feature Reset
• Engine Factory Reset

Basically all of the features available on the main and secondary engine control screens.  I may be missing something but, I think this is basically it in terms of engine control.

Of course, system level things like adding or deleting engines, selecting between Explorer or WIU hardware, resetting the app, etc., are also included.  

Two concerns:

1) I don't see "ability to set max speed" on the list.  How could that NOT be included in a starter set for kids?  It's real easy to hit the 120mph spot on a small screen!

2) "The included supply is a 16VDC at 3.75A for a total of 60 Watts.  More than adequate to run the set plus some expansion"

Why advertise "can run 3 PS2 or PS3 trains" in the preview info?  Will 3 MTH DCS locos reliably run on 3.75 amps? How about the two steamers in sets with the new DCS Explorer plus a 3rd loco?

OK, my last point...

Imagine how upset you would be if we suggested spending money to upgrade your app only to find out the features don't work anyway.  Of course, we cannot do that.

Allowing the discussions here to flounder around for months and keeping even the "guys in the know (Barry, Marty,et. al.)" in the dark is equally upsetting.  I read 6 months of discussion about the likely features, then order a set a few days ago, then find out that the 3 train feature is more like "wishful thinking".  The Wifi/TIU would have been perfect for a small portable layout of mine (as noted above)!  Previous discussions as recent as a few days ago suggested that it would be a great solution!  (Still hoping it will work for my plans, once it arrives!)

Equal time:

I TRULY DO appreciate the SINGLE approach across the MTH line that DCS offers.  (and ALL your stuff easily runs conventional too!)

I'm amazed that Lionel has some trains that are TMCC, some that are Lionchief (single remote), some that are Lionchief Plus (remote  plus bluetooth if you buy after a certain date?), Legacy, whatever is next...  Sorry - you can't run Lionchief or Plus on TMCC, but your Legacy stuff will work, but the bluetooth stuff, .....on and on!  ARRRGGHHH! What a mess!

Thanks, MTH... sometimes frustrating, but we love ya!

Eddie, let me try to explain a couple of things that may address your concerns above.

With regard to max speed, I see what you mean.  Our concern was with the whole password, etc., so, parents would need to set this anyway.  We can add this in pretty easily and I'll give that a look.

The power supply included in the set is intended for the set.  Of course, we think its a good idea to always put enough power in the set for some modest expansion however, if you want to run several trains on a larger layout with some switches and accessories, etc., then the set supply is not enough.  And, it wasn't intended to be.  You can plug a Z1000 brick into the DCS Explorer and run a modest sized layout as you probably know.

We didn't intentionally allow discussions here to flounder but, as you can see from my sporadic posts,  there really isn't anyone here with the time or tasked with keeping up with the forum and posting.  While I think it's a worth while effort, it can eat up a lot of time.  So, sorry, we'll try to do better.

RJR posted:

MTHRD.  I have the most recent versions of the android premium app, 2 WIUs, and the DCS software installed and running fine.  It appears that if I do the forthcoming app update, every time I fire up I have to select the WIU, even though I have no Explorer.  SO is there any benefit to doing the update?  (I'm sure that the next following update will be needed and will present this choice.

Hi RJR,  Once you make the setting in your app it remains until you change it in the app settings area.  So, stated differently, it's like Ron Popeil's Rotisserie, just set it and forget it!!

I always, always, encourage DCS users to keep all of their gear updated.  Even if the stated update is of no interest to you, there are always enhancements, bug fixes, etc., included with every release.  

Landsteiner posted:

"ARRRGGHHH! What a mess!"

Actually, it works quite well.  Those of us with TMCC, Legacy, LC and LC+ locos have no problems to speak of.  And these days, every LC and LC+ loco comes with everything needed to operate it.  You can always use your smart device, but you don't have to .  And new locos will work with that smart device without investing a hundred dollars in a wi-fi device.  Bluetooth is simple that way, and from now on, all Lionel locos will have Bluetooth.  Simple, reliable and inexpensive.

Hope you enjoy your Explorer.  No need to bad mouth other people's products, particularly if you have no experience with them.

Sorry if you took my statement as "badmouthing".  My intention was to highlight a major difference between Lionel's "multi-pronged (shall we say)" approach, and MTH's "it all works the same" approach.

I currently own and run Lionel Legacy, TMCC, and Lionchief locos (no LC+)

MTH has one system.  DCS.  Doesn't matter if you buy a starter engine for home use, and use it at you club's layout.  Doesn't matter when you bought it.  If it's DCS, you're good to go!

Lionel's systems are varied and incompatible.  Buy a starter set Lionchief or LC+ and bring it to your club's TMCC or Legacy setup...OOPS! The TMCC/Legacy command system won't talk to a LC loco. 

"And new locos will work with that smart device without investing a hundred dollars in a wi-fi device."

Versus MTH DCS: One wifi device will run ALL your DCS locos, not just the newest ones!

No badmouthing intended.. just stating my preference for a more consistent "across the line" approach that MTH has!

"Lionel's systems are varied and incompatible."

I disagree. Compatibility means the ability to work together seamlessly and without unnecessary complexity.  The Lionel control methods do so brilliantly, in my view. New Lionel locos all will have Bluetooth across the line, just like MTH has PS3 across the line, if that is your priority.  The only thing lacking is a retrofit of Bluetooth for older locos. 

That said.....if you buy a LC or LC+ loco, it will work with the included remote, the universal remote, and now, also with Bluetooth.  An extra remote at no additional cost for your family or friends or your other hand.  You buy an old TMCC loco or a new Legacy loco and they will also work with TMCC or Legacy (and now with Bluetooth) or in conventional mode.  All work together with their respective remotes or a smart device. Many more choices.  What you may consider incompatibility I see cost efficiency and choices.  No need for an expensive TIU/WIU, less expensive but limited Explorer,  or even a smart device to have full command control with digital sound.  No limitations on the use of a smart device period, and the app is free.  Seems like an integrated and compatible set of systems, at lower cost at the entry level in particular. The barrier to entering the hobby is lower because of this variety of approaches, all of which work well together  Nothing needed except what comes in the box, and, if you like,  a free app download from the Apple (and in the future, Google) store.  

In defense of EDIEM, Lionel's approach toward control has lurched all over the place. Look at all the confusion:

1.Conventional locos that fly away on fixed voltage TMCC / Legacy Tracks

2.Legacy  features can't be controlled by a TMCC remote

3. Lionchief locos that mostly can't be controlled by the Bluetooth app, but sometimes can

4. Only new Legacy locos can be controlled by Bluetooth, but otherwise not

5. Lionchief locos sit dead without their special controller

6. Some Lionchief engines work with the universal remote, others not (without firmware upgrade)

7. The iCab app can't control Lionchief or conventional, but can control Legacy / TMCC

I don't particularly care for MTH frankly, but their approach has been consistent with maintaining DCS across their product lines.

Lionel should have never introduced the Lionchief system. It did nothing but confuse and bifurcate the market. People starting out with Lionchief sets have an immediate cost entry barrier to upgrade to Legacy. They should have adopted Legacy as their basic control system, and varied the features depending on the price range of the locomotive.

Worsening matters are those undersized wall-warts that preclude expansion and purchase of accessories. (MTH-you are guilty of this too) In our local train store, people buying Lionchief sets are scared off from buying accessories when they realize they'll need a $150 transformer, or a bunch of those silly and costly plug-n-play cables (which are apparently necessary as we are all idiots who can't strip a wire). Lionel was so blindly cost-driven and desperate to rid themselves of the copper and weight of the CW-80, that they shot themselves in the foot. After all, how do you sell accessories to people while lacking the capacity and convenience of accessory binding posts that are ready to go! 

I think the DCS Explorer is an excellent concept which enables the entry level hobbyist to enjoy some continuity while upgrading within the same control system.

"people buying Lionchief sets are scared off from buying accessories when they realize they'll need a $150 transformer"

At least that transformer will perform a service.  With the MTH strategy, you've already spent that $150 on the extra cost of the set because it has PS3, no controller included and the very limited Explorer.  That extra money can be spent on rolling stock, track and/or buildings, and you don't need to buy Legacy ever unless you want to. With the Explorer, you pretty much have to invest another $450 in DCS ± WIU to get the equivalent functionality of Bluetooth, which is in every Lionel set and locomotive.  I think the new customer is much better off with the Lionel set from a cost efficiency standpoint.  Most beginners are only going to have the set, some extra track, some buildings, some rolling stock and perhaps another loco.  They don't need Legacy, they certainly don't need DCS and they have some nice equipment for hundreds of dollars less than the MTH "solution."

Landsteiner posted:

"people buying Lionchief sets are scared off from buying accessories when they realize they'll need a $150 transformer"

At least that transformer will perform a service.  With the MTH strategy, you've already spent that $150 on the extra cost of the set because it has PS3, no controller included and the very limited Explorer.  That extra money can be spent on rolling stock, track and/or buildings, and you don't need to buy Legacy ever unless you want to. With the Explorer, you pretty much have to invest another $450 in DCS ± WIU to get the equivalent functionality of Bluetooth, which is in every Lionel set and locomotive.  I think the new customer is much better off with the Lionel set from a cost efficiency standpoint.  Most beginners are only going to have the set, some extra track, some buildings, some rolling stock and perhaps another loco.  They don't need Legacy, they certainly don't need DCS and they have some nice equipment for hundreds of dollars less than the MTH "solution."

Now who is bashing a manufacture?  You can't stand to let someone vent about LC/Lionel, but have no issues telling others how complicated DCS is even though it really isn't.  You always bring cost in also.  Street price of Lio versus MSRP of MTH.  OK.

You can't really argue with strategy though.  You may disagree about it, but MTH has one.  Give you a DCS engine let all future engines work with DCS.  Give you a taste of it whether that was the Remote CDR or now explore.  In the end if this is a hobby you want to get fully into you get an appropriately sized transformer and DCS.  Period.  AND ALL those engine you bought at the start and may have sentimental value can now run on your expanded empire with DCS.  Oh and by the way they all run pure conventional if that is what you want and can even have operating features activated via conventional bell and whistle.  So even a Conventional only PW guy can integrate MTH Engines on the layout.  Lionel Strategy is different and I am not going to debate which is better, which is what you always try to do.  G

GGG has a point.  I bought my grandson a RTR MTH.  It has PS3 with all the features.  Of course, it didn't come with Explorer, but I dug into my stock and pulled out an original issue (2001) Rev G TIU and original issue remote (no obsolescence with DCS), used the brick that came with the set, and he's off and running with all the DCS bells and whistles and other goodies. 

There is a reason why Lionel is favoring Bluetooth and moving away from Legacy/ TMCC where you wave your magic hand over the offending loco to improve reception.

"ARRRGGHHH! What a mess!" - deleted from my previous post.

I stand by everything else I have stated.  I brought up Lionel to contrast their product implementation(s) with what I believe to be a more consistent approach by MTH.

In no way do I see my statements ,and those of others as a "destructive rant for beginners"  and see no "inaccurate descriptions" in what I have said.

Time to get back to the DCS Explorer!  Any updates on when the RTR sets will arrive and ship? 

"deleted from my previous post."

Thanks. Gracious of you to recognize that wasn't a productive comment.  Appreciate sticking to facts and opinions without emotional/pejorative outbursts .

I do hope the Explorer fulfills everyone's expectations and is a positive contribution to the hobby.  I'm not rooting for anyone to fail.

We've added the ability to set max speed on the Explorer app.  It was a simple change.

Landsteiner posted:

 No limitations on the use of a smart device period, and the app is free.

The App can only run one engine at a time. Not three simultaneously like the DCS Explorer. The only way to run three LionCheif engine with one controller is if you purchase (at an additional cost) a Universal remote which lacks many of the features the app has.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...00#75903721987113000

Railsounds posted:

Yes, that is correct. The ability to keep three locomotives in motion simultaneously is a feature of the Universal Remote that is not present in the iOS or Android LionChief Apps.

Maybe it is time to get back to the original question at hand.  What can the DCS Explorer do, and what can't it do?  The only productive comparison I can see is comparing which features we have in DCS that the Explorer can do, and which can't it do.

Mark Boyce posted:

Maybe it is time to get back to the original question at hand.  What can the DCS Explorer do, and what can't it do?  The only productive comparison I can see is comparing which features we have in DCS that the Explorer can do, and which can't it do.

I think the answer to operational differences is simple. Remember when the WIU first came out and you ran trains before buying the $4.99 standard upgrade? That is exactly how the Explorer will work, with the added bonus of now being able to set a max speed.

Powering the track is where things get more technical. You are limited to one fixed voltage output that will allow up to 5 amps of power.

A question I have is will the Explorer run on DC Power sources? Also what is the recommended maximum voltage input allowed? I have some old laptop power supplies that are DC 19 volts @ 4.75 amps that would be a perfect fit.

MTH RD posted:

We've added the ability to set max speed on the Explorer app.  It was a simple change.

FANTASTIC!!!

Now, if you could, at some point add the max speed feature to the free DCS app.  That way, when we let people run our trains with a phone/tablet and the free app, at our club, we can set the top speed too....

Mark,

The DCS Explorer can:

• Start Up/Shut Down
• Speed
• Direction
• Whistle/Horn (reg whistle - not quillable)
• Bell
• Cplr (front and rear)
• Headlight 
• Smoke (on/off only)
• Engine Sounds
• PFA
• Doppler
• Master Volume
• E-stop
• Engine Feature Reset
• Engine Factory Reset
• Start Up/Shut Down
• Speed
• Direction
• Whistle/Horn (reg whistle - not quillable)
• Bell
• Cplr (front and rear)
• Headlight 
• Smoke (on/off only)
• Engine Sounds
• PFA
• Doppler
• Master Volume
• E-stop
• Engine Feature Reset
• Engine Factory Reset, and

 (drum roll, please)

• SET MAX SPEED!

MTH RD posted:

We've added the ability to set max speed on the Explorer app.  It was a simple change.

I really hope you add this (and others like accel/decel) to the Premium app for consists. I think it's ridiculous to talk of getting rid of the remote when the app can't fully replace it yet!!

Engineer-Joe posted:

MTH RD posted:

We've added the ability to set max speed on the Explorer app.  It was a simple change.

I really hope you add this (and others like accel/decel) to the Premium app for consists. I think it's ridiculous to talk of getting rid of the remote when the app can't fully replace it yet!!

We'll add lots of things.  In the meantime, if you prefer the remote, then just enjoy.  We certainly won't be removing any features from the remote.  It's just that we won't be adding any either.

eddiem posted:

MTH RD posted:

We've added the ability to set max speed on the Explorer app.  It was a simple change.

FANTASTIC!!!

Now, if you could, at some point add the max speed feature to the free DCS app.  That way, when we let people run our trains with a phone/tablet and the free app, at our club, we can set the top speed too....

Done

Q about Accel / Decel.  I agree that it would be a great addition to the app.  But do these parameters affect how the loco operates in conventional mode too? (i.e., variable track voltage)  Thanks for all your hard work!