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I recently purchased a brand new locomotive, Lionel's Lionchief General in Pennsylavnia livery (product number 2132070). I thought I would share my impressions of the locomotive for my fellow enthusiasts on the Forum. Unlike most of my collection of older scale locomotives, this is a brand-new entry-level locomotive that comes with sound and command control via an included remote at a very reasonable price.

The locomotive is quite sharp looking when it's out of the box. I'll admit that I have found the classical versions of the General rather tacky but this one is nicely done. By changing the color scheme and the spark arrestor on the smokestack Lionel has made a nice representation of a later model American-class engine from late 19th century rather than the Civil War period.

Lionel PRR General better

Here's a side view of the General. The whistle on top of the rear steam dome is a little warped but that's a very minor issue. The trim is detailed but still durable, I haven't broken anything in handling or servicing the locomotive.

Side view of locomotive

I'm not particularly fond of wireless drawbars on locomotives-- I find them less durable than tethers. The Lionel one has a very nice design with sliding contacts that has been unproblematic so far.

Wireless tender drawbar

The tender is nicely pinstriped and seems sturdy. The wood load does look a bit plasticky but it's not bad. The tender only has a manual operating coupler but for a small and inexpensive locomotive that's quite acceptable. The knuckle works well as you can see in one of my videos below.

View of tender

The only problem I've discovered is that the General runs pretty rough on my Fastrack switches. The drive wheels tend to ride up on the frogs and bump around when they cross them. This is OK when going forwards but locomotive tends to pick the points and derail when running in reverse. I had no problems with my O72 tubular switches when I ran the engine back and forth through them. This is a nuisance but not a deal-breaker since this isn't an engine I would be doing much switching with anyways. If I think of some clever way to fix this I will update this report.

Picking a Fastrack switch

Here's a sound test of the locomotive. Sounds are a make or break for me in an O Scale locomotive, I've gotten rid of locomotives because I can't stand their sounds. Lionel has always led the hobby with model train sound systems and this locomotive is a good showing of their capabilities, the sounds are loud and satisfying. I've interacted with a few Lionchief engines but this is the nicest-sounding one that I've experienced. I really enjoy the whistle!

Although the General is a little smoother running than my other Lionchief engine, it doesn't run slow and tends to speed up and slow down on track grades. This is quite acceptable for a $225 engine that's intended for fast running on a simple layout. Here's about as slow as it can go for a coupling operation.

I've heard that these engines are not great pullers. The General is mostly plastic and quite lightweight, but it does have traction tires and a can motor. To test its capabilities, I coupled up this set of four K-Line diecast hopper cars. These are solid metal and extremely heavy. A Pullmor-powered locomotive would probably stall trying to pull these and most engines without traction tires would need a push from the 1:1 scale engineer to get them rolling.

Drawbar pull test with 4 KLine diecast hoppers

Believe it or not, the PRR General pulls those 4 bricks without stalling or spinning out. It slows down under the load but it's not drawing excessive current, isn't getting noticeably warm and can get to a respectable pace with the throttle halfway open. Pretty good for a cheap little engine! Most 19th century cars are on the small side so I would expect this engine to handle any period consist.

I am very pleased with this new locomotive. It has great sounds, respectable pulling power and a good fit and finish. Although it's not a super scale locomotive with cruise control and oodles of features, it's more than fair for its price point and unlike some of those big-dollar Legacy engines it appears well put together. I would recommend this locomotive to anyone who's considering modeling the 19th century or just wants a fun steam engine to chug around the mainline.

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Trainguy Ken:

Thanks for your "thumbs up" review of the Lionel PRR "General" loco with Command Control and Sound. I hope you can provide some add'l info about it.

Is this loco and its tender built on the same chassis as the PW "Generals"?  I'm asking because I have a conventional PW
"General" with Rock Island & Peoria décor.  I want to convert it to run with TMCC, but a conversion with ERR parts may be difficult if not impossible.

Perhaps another way to do this project would be to buy Lionel's LionChief "General" with Pennsylvania livery (product number 2132070) and swap out the PRR loco and tender body shells with my RI&P -- to keep that road name and get command control and sound.  A bit weird perhaps, but I'm a Rock Island operator/collector, and I was born and raised in Peoria, Il. My layout is wired for TMCC and conventional modes, so a LionChief controller would work -- with sound.

Just thinking out loud ...

Mike Mottler   LCCA 12394
mottlermike10@gmail.com

Trainguy Ken:

Thanks for your "thumbs up" review of the Lionel PRR "General" loco with Command Control and Sound. I hope you can provide some add'l info about it.

Is this loco and its tender built on the same chassis as the PW "Generals"?  I'm asking because I have a conventional PW
"General" with Rock Island & Peoria décor.  I want to convert it to run with TMCC, but a conversion with ERR parts may be difficult if not impossible.

Perhaps another way to do this project would be to buy Lionel's LionChief "General" with Pennsylvania livery (product number 2132070) and swap out the PRR loco and tender body shells with my RI&P -- to keep that road name and get command control and sound.  A bit weird perhaps, but I'm a Rock Island operator/collector, and I was born and raised in Peoria, Il. My layout is wired for TMCC and conventional modes, so a LionChief controller would work -- with sound.

Just thinking out loud ...

Mike Mottler   LCCA 12394
mottlermike10@gmail.com

Well Mike, I have had the chance to compare my Lionchief General to a postwar original. The locomotives are a little different on close examination, particularly the back of the cab and the underside of the tender. Most Generals made before the 1990s are going to have Pullmor AC motors (the face of the Pullmor will be visible in the back of the cab). Modern Lionchief engines have can motors controlled by a boardset that is in the tender. You certainly couldn't reuse the electronics with your Pullmor-powered postwar engine, and although swapping the shells may be possible to do, I suspect it will require a lot of cutting and gluing since the frames themselves are slightly different.

Thanks for writing in, Ken

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I am very pleased with this new locomotive. It has great sounds, respectable pulling power and a good fit and finish. Although it's not a super scale locomotive with cruise control and oodles of features, it's more than fair for its price point and unlike some of those big-dollar Legacy engines it appears well put together. I would recommend this locomotive to anyone who's considering modeling the 19th century or just wants a fun steam engine to chug around the mainline.

Nice and detailed review.  Thanks for posting.  Seems you covered all the bases.  Let us know down the line how it's doing!

One year after purchasing, my Lionchief General is still in service. Although I haven't often run it on my home layout, I have taken it to several train club events and probably clocked a cumulative 10 hours of operation at those. Other than the very occasional cleaning, the engine still looks, sounds and runs just as nice as when it was new. I am still very pleased with it and am evaluating some of the other Lionchief 2.0 engines for purchase this year.

Update May 2023 [1)

Check it out with some old school wood sided cars on the inner loop!

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If you're happy with this basic General, I think you'll love the performance of Lionchief Plus!  I prefer the way my original LionChief Plus locos run with their supplied remotes better than the way LC Plus 2.0 runs with the universal remote.  The 2.0 just seemed "jumpy," or a little touchy to me.  Admittedly that was a sample of one.  Look forward to another review when you get one!

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FWIW, the Toy Story General- same basic series as this topic:

Engine weighs 1lb 3oz

Tender weighs 0lb 10oz

Total 1lb 13oz

Compared to an MTH Railking general (granted a PS1, but all diecast engine and tender). PS2 or PS3 variants would weigh near the exact same.

Engine 3lb 1.5oz

Tender 2lb 1.5oz

Total 4lb 3oz

Maybe the Frozen one, as well.

If this newest version has a wireless drawbar, that's an improvement IMHO over the tethered one which suffered from the common issue of being too short/tight and constant stretching on turns causing the wires to come loose resulting in a loss of sounds. 

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