Did Lionel ever make a scale Pennsy T1 Duplex?

Yes they did (6-28063) and it is a great looking engine with a few issues to include too-wide center drive wheels that may short out on some switches (not everyone had this problem).  It has early TMCC with no cruise control.

Lionel also did 25 of these locomotives in 2 rail. The tender was not a correct T1 tender. It was from their S2 model painted as a T1 tender.  Look at the notch in the coal bunker on the above photos. The T1 did not have that notch in it as the cab did not have an overhang from the cab roof.

It's pretty likely we won't be seeing a scale LEGACY version of the T-1 Duplex for awhile, unfortunately, since the original 2000 version was part of the lawsuit between Lionel and MTH which the former lost and had to do away with the tooling of.

Here is a very poor video of my Lionel T-1.  It is 4-chuffs/rev because it was upgraded with TAS cruise which had a selectable choice of 2- or 4-chuffs.  Really wish ERR had that capability.  I also had the 4 center drivers beveled to eliminate the shorting issue.

A.J. - I know your Post asked if Lionel had ever done a 'scale' T1 Duplex, but because your OP also expressed an interest in a 'Legacy' version I thought I'd bring the following to your attention - although I realize it relates to LionMaster versions.

The first LM version (6-38020) of the Duplex was #5514 released in 2003, and a 2nd 'upgraded' LM version (6-11207) was #5511 released in 2010; but here's the point. Among other things the list of features the #5511 has include "LEGACY Command Control, LEGACY RailSounds, and Odyssey II Speed Control" as well as "Vision Whistle Steam".

Don't know if that helps or not but you may want to check out all of the features on Lionel's website.    

In the next coming weeks Ill be starting a conversion of Lionel's Scale T1 over to full Legacy and whistle steam.

This is one of those locomotives that I wish they would make again. It definitely has character.

I also think this would make an excellent candidate for the Legacy lineup, perhaps even the Vision Line, in which case it'd quite possibly be my first VL purchase.

To me, the Pennsy T1 Duplex was Raymond Loewy's crowning achievement. I know many think the GG1 was, but to me, the T1 stands out from all other streamliners, steam, electric, and diesel-electric.

MTH made their Premier version with full skirts. The Lionel version has the skirting removed, as the locos appeared later in their short careers.

A.J.

    I have been waiting for a Legacy Scale T1 for the last 8 years. Either a Legacy or a Vision Line version would sell like crazy. Don’t understand why Lionel has been holding out an updated scale version especially when they have repeated the Reading T1s after 5 years, the UP FEF engines have been produced twice in Leagcy and god do we need another Hudson?

    If a VISION LINE T1 is offered it should have the Big Boy wheel slip sound effect, smoke from the stack, whistle and cylinders (like the GS4s). Lionel is running out of time for me to make a high dollar purchase so they need to get going on a scale Legacy version soon.

JohnB

RoyBoy posted:

MTH made their Premier version with full skirts. The Lionel version has the skirting removed, as the locos appeared later in their short careers.

MTH's T1 is the 1942 as-built version of the two prototype engines.  They had their skirts for only a year before they were removed sometime in 1943.

The Lionel version is one the 50 production engines, built in 1945-6.  None of these had skirts.  Some of these 50 were as built the way Lionel's looks, some had porthole pilots.  Most were like Lionel's (no portholes) by 1950.

Don't forget what Thomas said about the lawsuit Lionel lost concerning the original tooling.  That may also be why they haven't done new tooling for this engine.

JohnB - If what Mikado4501 says (above) is correct, unfortunately you may have a very long wait.

PH1975 posted:

JohnB - If what Mikado4501 says (above) is correct, unfortunately you may have a very long wait.

PH,

    At the York show a few years ago I asked Ryan Kunkle about when we were going to see a Legacy scale Pennsy T1 and he said one was in the works and I should keep a eye on the next few catalogs. My guess is about 6 or 8 catalogs have come out since. He never said there were any issues with the tooling. Maybe he was thinking about the Reading T1.

JohnB

CAPPilot posted:

Here is a very poor video of my Lionel T-1.  It is 4-chuffs/rev because it was upgraded with TAS cruise which had a selectable choice of 2- or 4-chuffs.  Really wish ERR had that capability.  I also had the 4 center drivers beveled to eliminate the shorting issue.

Ron,

I have this engine & it shorts trying to go thru the turnout on ATLAS O 072 switches It works fine with ATLAS O #5 switches.   Was that your problem??    Would you explain the beveling of the 4 drivers process more please?? Would you recommend someone whom could do the beveling process??   I love this engine, but can only run it on one of my 3 main lines, due to two mains have 072 switches that the engine shorts on.  Would love to solve this problem.     Thank you in advance for any help.

Bruk posted:

In the next coming weeks Ill be starting a conversion of Lionel's Scale T1 over to full Legacy and whistle steam.

At least you've got a real good chance of having the correct whistle .

Lou N

I know they made a scale T1 because they borrowed my Right of Way T1 to see how it was built.

Lou N

Craig,

If you look at the four center drivers, the ones without flanges, you can see how wide they are.  They would short on some of my switches but that was long ago and I forgot which ones.

The inside of the drivers need to be ground down just a bit, or beveled to allow more clearance.  I had someone do it and they took the engine apart so the metal shavings would not get into the electronics.  Big Mistake.  Took him a long time to get it back together, especially aligning the drivers correctly.

If you can grind the drivers down while still on the engine that would be better, just don't know if that is possible.  Anyway, I'm sure making the drivers a bit thinner at the outer edge will solve your problem.

I don't understand what the lawsuit was about.  I get Lionel having certain rights to the Polar Express and the Disney Stuff, but MTH, Lionel, and other companies still make the same engines.  It seems like most relatively known and moderately popular engines are made by both MTH and Lionel (how many comparison videos have we seen over the years right?).  If this is the case, I didn't realize that Lionel and MTH had exclusive rights to certain engines...

Does anyone have anymore information on this?  Obviously if Lionel was ordered by the courts not to produce a Pennsy T1 that would definitely effect any chance of them coming out with a new one.  

Somebody missed the 90's!  The lawsuit wasn't about exclusive rights.  It was about one Korean engineer walking out of his firm with a disc containing the actual designs for one company, walking across town to another company, and using them, to make trains for the competition.

Jon