Discovered Complete Original 1937 700e set with rail chief cars and boxes.

Wow! What a great find. Congratulations!

Honestly, I expected this threat to end with the sentence "and then I woke up."

Very cool. I'd clean it up and run it.
I picked up a M-10000 set from a co-worker last year that's going under the tree in a few weeks. Not mint but still very nice, no boxes either.

Enjoy your find.

Bob

Thanks guys! Any idea to value on this set?

That set looks amazing. Very nice condition, though it is very obvious it has very bad frame warp. The cab is bent back and the front cowcatcher is touching the ground. This set will likely just be a shelf piece, at least the engine that is. Anyway great set. Your one step ahead of most. You actually have a 700e

Please tell us more of how you discovered this set - truly a great find!  Where has it been all this time?

Perspiring minds need to know!!!!

He wants to know what it is worth.  Help him out.  I have no idea, of course, but assume that zinc pest has destroyed the value of the locomotive?

Private collection since new and passed down from father to son and then listed for sale and I purchased it.  Son sadly did not have an interest in railroading. Now I am fortunate to own 2 1937s 700es;  a 700ew and 700e set.  What a find it would have been if it would have had the original set box and track (they are looking for the track for me they did have it so time will tell . Not pictured, but it also has its original inspection card, Lionel Brochure book and catalog. 

I am no appraiser, but I have followed these locomotives and their prices. They range from $2500-5500 for just the locomotive. This loco being a 1937 model has seen better days. The zinc pest has pretty much made this a shelf piece. The cars look to be in very nice condition. Paint looks good and I don't see much warping of their frames. The fact that the boxes are still alive and well is just amazing. So long story short I would personally say this set is worth $7000-9000. Again I am no appraiser, just using my knowledge of the market to make a judgement call. Amazing piece overall, but not a runner. Shelf piece. 👍👍

As far as the warping, the photo makes it look much more than it actually is as I was not level when I took the photo.  It is all original and the casting has no cracks or rust, but it does have a slight bend.  Tender is mint and the cars are amazing examples of original survivors with all windows in tack and clear markings.  The boxes are crisp, solid and have inserts.  The only non original tape is on the exterior (masking tape).  I did pay up for them, as it was not a garage/estate sale where somebody didn't know what they had.  Just curious to see what people think a set like this is worth. 

I tested the loco and tender and both operate.

I have to go with Sid on this one, and I’m not one for sugar coating things.....that Hudson looks to be just about a goner.....shelf queen at best, and barely passable at that....she’s warped up pretty good....that would turn my stomach ......if I had owned that set, I’d most likely use a 18005 700E from the 90’s and change the cab number and distress the newer model, maybe blacken the newer model’s parts to better suit the era and the cars.....that set ain’t worth a whole lot as it sits IMO .....I wouldn’t want to look at a crooked Hudson all day long....

Pat

not to mention I have a pristine 1937 700e that I can put in this sets place.

@harmonyards posted:

I have to go with Sid on this one, and I’m not one for sugar coating things.....that Hudson looks to be just about a goner.....shelf queen at best, and barely passable at that....she’s warped up pretty good....that would turn my stomach ......if I had owned that set, I’d most likely use a 18005 700E from the 90’s and change the cab number and distress the newer model, maybe blacken the newer model’s parts to better suit the era and the cars.....that set ain’t worth a whole lot as it sits IMO .....I wouldn’t want to look at a crooked Hudson all day long....

Pat

I am with you on that. It's an amazing survivor, but not the best it could be. I have the 1990 remake and it is a good set as a runner. If you want it for a shelf piece, you got a winner.

Well like I said originally, you are ahead of me. You have an original, though I personally would want a 1938.

Yes 38s had a different castling and later models did not suffer from zinc pest issues for a host of reasons.  The vision remakes of the original are beautiful runners.  I would like to find a 1940 700e set with the cars, one can dream lol.  Happy to see younger people like myself getting into the hobby and enjoying it!!!

@Jfabs posted:

Yes 38s had a different castling and later models did not suffer from zinc pest issues for a host of reasons.  The vision remakes of the original are beautiful runners.  I would like to find a 1940 700e set with the cars, one can dream lol.  Happy to see younger people like myself getting into the hobby and enjoying it!!!

I would call being 17 young 😂😂😂😂. Yeah I'm having a good time. I got the 5340 and classics remakes of the Railchief cars. Then I have bunch of other Hudson's.

Yes well you have plenty of time to research and find some quality originals if that is a goal of yours in the future.  I looked for a few years before I found and had the money to buy a pristine 700e and then a month later I came upon this set.  When i clean it all up I will take better photos of it. Check out my other one.

@Jfabs posted:

Yes well you have plenty of time to research and find some quality originals if that is a goal of yours in the future.  I looked for a few years before I found and had the money to buy a pristine 700e and then a month later I came upon this set.  When i clean it all up I will take better photos of it. Check out my other one.

Beautiful. My local store has two. A 700k with the kit cars and then a 38 700e with the Railchief cars. They will likely be mine one of these days. I have some little deals with em.

Wow great!  Just curious what are the price tags on those because neither of mine were cheap lol.

@Jfabs posted:

Wow great!  Just curious what are the price tags on those because neither of mine were cheap lol.

The 700k set has most of the boxes, bit the tender and engine have warpage. Other than that it is ok. It has a price tag of $9500 that I worked out. The 700e and cars are amazing. The locomotive is like your pristine model and the Railchief cars are outstanding. Not a single mark or missing part on them. The box is also included with that one with a pamphlet. That set is $12500.

Nice def investment grade quality and something to pass down later in life after you acquire them.  I also have the inspection card, info brochure and original catalog with the set and all boxes except the set box, so I am estimating my sets value at 8000 to 9000.  Like anything, value is what someone is will to pay for some they like/want.   I will be having my 2 locos and set professionally appraised in a few weeks so I can protect/insure it within my home.   

@Sid's Trains posted:

That set looks amazing. Very nice condition, though it is very obvious it has very bad frame warp. The cab is bent back and the front cowcatcher is touching the ground. This set will likely just be a shelf piece, at least the engine that is. Anyway great set. Your one step ahead of most. You actually have a 700e

The "cowcatcher?" Really? Come on, folks. This is a modern steam locomotive. It does not have a "cowcatcher." It has a "pilot" which is the proper and correct term for this part of the locomotive.

Every steam locomotive made from about 1890 onward has a "pilot" not a "cowcatcher."

We can compromise and call it the "pointy thing at the front"

Brendan

Rich Melvin. It's a cowcatcher

Having been a prewar collector for over 45 years, I would have to say that the boxes are worth more than the engine. 1937 700E's that have warpage don't bring a lot money. Anyway still a nice find.

It’s a pilot, even Lionel calls it a pilot by part description.....

Pat

Ok, can we please not "argue" about what it is and isn't called. If I said cowcatcher and that annoyed you in anyway, sorry.

What do you think the set is worth Eddie?

@Sid's Trains posted:

Ok, can we please not "argue" about what it is and isn't called. If I said cowcatcher and that annoyed you in anyway, sorry.

It’s not a matter of annoying me. It’s a matter of it being the WRONG NAME for the part. It is not a cowcatcher, it is a pilot.

Are we now going to start calling tenders “coal cars”? 😜

@eddie g posted:

Rich Melvin. It's a cowcatcher

OK...whatever.

We are all here to learn and grow and enjoy the hobby

Learn something new every day. Especially on the  forum.  I call it a cow catcher on a steamer, and a pilot on a diesel. But I'm far from an expert.  Dave

more of a cow mangler then a catcher

JFABS, I would say with the boxes and the cars you may get as much as about $3,000 to $4,000, maybe more. It's really hard to tell if you haven't seen it up close. The engine & tender boxes go for a lot of money if they are bricks.

@Dave Nichols posted:

Learn something new every day. Especially on the  forum.  I call it a cow catcher on a steamer, and a pilot on a diesel. But I'm far from an expert.  Dave

The are properly called "pilots" on both types of power.

Thank Eddie!

@eddie g posted:

JFABS, I would say with the boxes and the cars you may get as much as about $3,000 to $4,000, maybe more. It's really hard to tell if you haven't seen it up close. The engine & tender boxes go for a lot of money if they are bricks.

Thanks Eddie! I appreciate your input and knowledge.  Not sure it it changes anything but I also have the original inspection card, brochure booklet, 37 Lionel catalog and 16 piece curved  t-rail track in 2 solid boxes marked 771-7 as well.  I am missing the 4 straight track pieces but I am sure I could find that somewhere.  The tender in the set has no wrap and whistles well, the cars are incredible for original parts and paint and the loco is not as warped as the photos make it appear, so I will take better photos when I have time.  I have another 1937 5433 with serial number that is almost flawless and fully operational as well (that I also just got and cost me 4 grand)  I have a photo of that on here.   

You can tell the boiler is growing, it has pulled the pipe out of the tee near the stack. Have you got a good measurement on the length of the running board yet?  I have always believe it is the growth of the boiler that bends the frame down at the ends.

Hey guys, so here are some much better quality photos of this exceptional 1937 709w set I discovered and purchased Amazing original condition, runs with brick boxes with all flaps.  I also have the original track with boxes and other paper documents.

It’s a beautiful set, no doubt.....but that locomotive just makes my eyes hurt....now, your other 700 that you showed off earlier ....ooooolala.....very nice!....I just can get past that cab drooping......beautiful boxes, stunning cars.....TBT, it don’t matter one tinkers darn what I think, as long as you’re happy, that’s all that matters!..I am glad for you, .....that set is one of my white whales as well......

Pat

It actually is much better than what I thought. Looks like the cab is the only main issue. Front looks nice and what great condition those cars are in.

Hey Sid thanks!!! The original paint is amazing on the loco amd tender especially. Cars great too. It does have a slight drop in the cab but it runs on the track well amd the boxes are the nicest I've ever seen. I'm sure there is nicer stuff out there but I'm happy with my purchase . Your next cant wait to see yours.

@Jfabs posted:

Hey Sid thanks!!! The original paint is amazing on the loco amd tender especially. Cars great too. It does have a slight drop in the cab but it runs on the track well amd the boxes are the nicest I've ever seen. I'm sure there is nicer stuff out there but I'm happy with my purchase . Your next cant wait to see yours.

Haha. Glad to see you got a great set. Mine is definitely in the future.

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