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Originally Posted by bob2:

I agree on the K- Line detail, but how do you all overlook that hideous unwrapped boiler beneath the running boards?  Fixing that is an all day project.

Definitely a major peeve of mine. But taken as a whole, the K-Line is still better detailed than the Lionels--and even better detailed than some brass engines, as noted above.

I agree on the K- Line detail, but how do you all overlook that hideous unwrapped boiler beneath the running boards?  Fixing that is an all day project.

Definitely a major peeve of mine. But taken as a whole, the K-Line is still better detailed than the Lionels--and even better detailed than some brass engines,<<

 

 

Because it was hand built & produced in America the old fashoned way in the modern era, a feat in itself using original and very outdated processes, dies and some original tooling, for all those reasons above the engine itself, Id rather have the unique mint 1-700e on a display shelf then any other Hudson including a rotted original or the half baked chinese made VL model. 

Given I'm a big steam fan but not fixated on Hudsons, I'd rather enjoy the complexity and looks of any one of the JLC's in a display case then a Hudson.

Especially the Challenger and Allegheny.

Just my opinion...

Joe 

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With apologies to Eddie G who started this thread it should be noted the K-Line Hudson while having some fine detail is also the most underpowered of all the versions posted here. Mine nearly overheated pulling 5 18" K-Line heavyweights. As posted above they can burn up motors with relatively modest loads. OTOH the newer Lionel Hudsons including both J3a's and Vision Hudson don't break a sweat with a dozen cars.

All depends what you want to do with an engine. Admire it on the shelf or use it to pull prototypical length trains.

 

Pete

>>>SORRY, but there is NOTHING "half-baked" about the VL Hudson! 

 

You might have a different opinion if you have ever operated one: it is a SUPERB performer, and is not half-bad looking at that<<<<

 

I own a number of Legacy engines, love every one so I'm sure it is..

I was refering to detail.. The only place the VL Hudson hits a home run is on a layout, period.

But.. as a $1600,00 model to appreaciate in a display case???? 

Sorry... In every way the VL Hudson just ain't got the provenance. The right stuff to make it even to the bottom shelf..

The ugliness begins with its omitted builders plate and coupler chain and ends with a horrible looking cracked egg boiler underside exposing nearly half its ugly electronic innards..

Joe

 

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Originally Posted by Tinplate Art:

SORRY, but there is NOTHING "half-baked" about the VL Hudson! 

 

You might have a different opinion if you have ever operated one: it is a SUPERB performer, and is not half-bad looking at that! 

The detail certainly is. No one is arguing about the performance.

Originally Posted by Analogkid:

I am fortunate enough to own both an original 700E and the newer Vision Line. The 700E was my father's that I inherited when he passed over a decade ago. He did impart on me the importance of this engine many years ago when I was young so I do understand its historical significance to those in the hobby. However, I absolutely love running my Vision Line Hudson as the 700E stays tucked away nicely in its wooden case. It is still in very good shape but I do notice the signs of age that many have commented on regarding the durability of the metals used in its construction. 

The tender of Dad's 700E warped and later crumbled like a saltine cracker.  And this was in the late-1970s.  I wonder if the tenders had more problems.  It certainly seemed so to me, given the many replacement shells floating around.

Dick,

 

The Hudson article is scheduled for Run 261, the January 2013 issue.  Allan is still recovering from the fact that I turned it in early We are covering some new ground in this story, especially about the significance of the original 700 E for the rest of the Lionel line.

 

We are also thinking of offering copies of the title photo of the the 1-700 E and the VL 700 E Collector's Gallery article because it turned out so well. It will either be a contest or a drawing.  Figure first prize will be a nice framed version like I already have on my wall, but we haven't settled on details yet.

 

If you have any ideas about how we can do this, I would like to hear about them.

 

Ed Boyle

 

Hey, why just buy an individual issue of OGR?  A subscription is cheaper and I do seven columns a year! Lots of entertainment and good information for the money.

Originally Posted by Hudson5432:

 

I considered a KLine Hudson, until I was told that they are only about 7/8 scale, the motor is mounted in a reverse position and is marginal, so I passed. A little later I considered a Lionel J-3a, until I saw the phillips head screws holding the drivers on the axles and the "barn door" distance between the engine and the tender. I heard they were going to reissue the J-3, so I waited.

That's a well worn myth. They are scale size.

 

As for the J3a you can get shorter drawbars.

 

Pete

Went for $5200, looks like a decent price, would be interested in seeing what kind of price similar engines have gone for recently. I seem to remember seeing one at York last year being offered for $7000, but don't know if it was this same model or another version

 

Think Eddie's $15,000 price is just a pipe-dream from previous times when Postwar was far more interesting to train folks than it is now.

Originally Posted by cbojanower:

Went for $5200, looks like a decent price, would be interested in seeing what kind of price similar engines have gone for recently. I seem to remember seeing one at York last year being offered for $7000, but don't know if it was this same model or another version

 

Think Eddie's $15,000 price is just a pipe-dream from previous times when Postwar was far more interesting to train folks than it is now.

There has been a 700E in the Blue or Silver Hall at York since my first York back in the fall of '03.  Pretty certain it's the same one b/c the price is in that $7k range.

 


 

I like the 700.  I parked the K-Line next to a converted 763, and found the K-Line visibly smaller.  That, I guess, makes the Lionel too large, which is OK by me, because my hobby is 17/64 scale.

 

I will never buy another steam model wiih open or U shaped boiler belly.

 

I will be buying a copy of OGR for Ed's article.  I doubt it is cheaper to buy a year's subscription than it is to buy a copy at the news stand price, but if it is, I will subscribe.

 

Every now and then, I see some Hi Rail article that catches my fancy, and I subscribe.  The next five issues assure me that OGR does not have me in mind as a target audience.

Originally Posted by bob2:

I like the 700.  I parked the K-Line next to a converted 763, and found the K-Line visibly smaller.  That, I guess, makes the Lionel too large, which is OK by me, because my hobby is 17/64 scale.

I guess it all depends on your standard. I parked my K-Line Hudson next to the Vision 700E and it was within 1/16" in all dimensions, they were identical in length and width. If you have prints with dimensions then we would all know for sure.

 

Pete

 

We have both the K-Line Hudson and the first Samhongsa built MTH Premiere Hudson. They are virtually identical in size and very close to the 700E from what I remember.

Would assume that Mike's engineering dept did their homework in researching their first scale Hudson with Lionel's 700E still fresh in everyone's mind!

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